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On May 25 2019 05:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:But that's not what he's doing He claimed and instantly was like "Well maybe I lynch not HF, maybe I lynch Bugs" He didn't stick to his reads at all! He INSTANTLY started shuffling around! wait are you throwing shade on koshi now too?
I'm just looking at angles man.
Look - Koshi not a high-priority mafia target, can we at least agree on that? N1, mafia shouldn't have shot at Koshi right?
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On May 25 2019 05:53 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2019 05:50 Conversion wrote:![[image loading]](https://images.app.goo.gl/styPv1CKtZpeEEdv8) Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote:I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons: He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was: On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? but his read just a few posts before was: null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
I called him out and it was: On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote:On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis but you put him as null to scummish??? considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE. if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum). I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK. It's really weird because his original post had this: iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's: On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote:
hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
woof On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote:oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino) On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either... On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote:
Oh right,
##Vote: Calix On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. but he still votes HF at the end! It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong! ![[image loading]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256-nqlyaa.jpg) What that's meant to say is "he even got iGrok's voting situation wrong" because it was obvious he didn't scum read ruxxar anymore.
but I admitted to that mistake and said the real weird thing was how he how he seems to just ignore Artanis for no real good reason when he seemed completely OK voting townies off to save himself, but he somehow won’t comment on Art at all when he’s the competing wagon, even when Art has some good momentum
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Town Jesus Jock, lots of high effort townies, a claimed Parity Cop
Now, they could rb Rayn sure but what about Jock? What about high-effort townies?
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On May 25 2019 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:But that's not what he's doing He claimed and instantly was like "Well maybe I lynch not HF, maybe I lynch Bugs" He didn't stick to his reads at all! He INSTANTLY started shuffling around!
well I can’t speak to post claim Vet Koshi plays, but preclaim he seems the same to me. play makes a lot of sense as Vet. Gets a list, says fuck you to town, doesn’t play nice, gets mad his list didn’t get lynched, etc
this is without a dive fyi
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For all intents and purposes, Koshi should not have been shot last night. Can we agree on at least this premise?
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On May 25 2019 05:55 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 05:53 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2019 05:50 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote:I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons: He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was: On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? but his read just a few posts before was: null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
I called him out and it was: On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote:On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis but you put him as null to scummish??? considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE. if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum). I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK. It's really weird because his original post had this: iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's: On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote:
hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
woof On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote:oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino) On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either... On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote:
Oh right,
##Vote: Calix On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. but he still votes HF at the end! It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong! What that's meant to say is "he even got iGrok's voting situation wrong" because it was obvious he didn't scum read ruxxar anymore. but I admitted to that mistake and said the real weird thing was how he how he seems to just ignore Artanis for no real good reason when he seemed completely OK voting townies off to save himself, but he somehow won’t comment on Art at all when he’s the competing wagon, even when Art has some good momentum
not disagreeing just saying it was a weird interaction for you in the thread forgetting things like 3 times in a short space of time when you've been all about meta and accuracy for most of it
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On May 25 2019 05:56 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:But that's not what he's doing He claimed and instantly was like "Well maybe I lynch not HF, maybe I lynch Bugs" He didn't stick to his reads at all! He INSTANTLY started shuffling around! well I can’t speak to post claim Vet Koshi plays, but preclaim he seems the same to me. play makes a lot of sense as Vet. Gets a list, says fuck you to town, doesn’t play nice, gets mad his list didn’t get lynched, etc this is without a dive fyi
Okay that makes sense I thought you meant post claim.
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TBH I have no idea what roles/mafia should do what or when or etc. I let darthfoley misclaim a role in front of my face one game and I didn’t catch it one game
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Holyflare
On May 25 2019 05:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
For all intents and purposes, Koshi should not have been shot last night. Can we agree on at least this premise?
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I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him
bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite
haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise
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On May 25 2019 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Holyflare Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 05:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
For all intents and purposes, Koshi should not have been shot last night. Can we agree on at least this premise?
Koshi wasn't even widely townread yesterday thus whoever was likely hardcore townreading him d1 would stick out like a sore thumb tbh.
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If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch.
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On May 25 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him
bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite
haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise
rayn/igrok townread Koshi
I concede Bugs/BC could have shot him out of spite, but SAVE THAT, it's a decent premise, right? Work with me dude I know you don't think it's likely but please don't shut me out right now.
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Of there is another veteran same shit. Like I would know who that is. And then kill me for a 1v1?
Bah. Come on.
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On May 25 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him
bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite
haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise
Rofl, under no circumstance would I shoot Koshi ever. Even if he pegged me, because he is at odds ends with too many people who will argue with him and clusterfuck the thread.
Id shoot him as town though for spite
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On May 25 2019 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him
bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite
haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise rayn/igrok townread Koshi I concede Bugs/BC could have shot him out of spite, but SAVE THAT, it's a decent premise, right? Work with me dude I know you don't think it's likely but please don't shut me out right now.
Feel free to work with your assumptions but I just don't subscribe to that school tbh.
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You should use the info I was shot for at least 1 lynch. Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure.
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On May 25 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch.
I admit this is most likely guys
I'm not like, TRYING to shade Koshi.
The thing is, he's doing this while iGrok up for lynch, is leading the lynch, and iGrok mostly scumread by town. So....just keep this in mind please.
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At least BC is back now. He can give us the lowdown on his iGrok read.
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On May 25 2019 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch. I admit this is most likely guys I'm not like, TRYING to shade Koshi. The thing is, he's doing this while iGrok up for lynch, is leading the lynch, and iGrok mostly scumread by town. So....just keep this in mind please.
Lol you dont know iGrok is scumread by town???
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