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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:55 GMT
#922
On May 04 2019 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 09:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
wbg goes inactive at the craziest time. Figures


Bro it’s 9 am here, I live in Asia

I just forgot about that shit and am a retarded American don't mind me dude.


What do you make of BC’s giant post, dump of reads, and subsequent return to lurkerville?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:23 GMT
#929
On May 04 2019 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked about Mafia KP.
Mafia KP is fixed at 1.


k now we can stop speculating on useless stuff
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:26 GMT
#931
On May 04 2019 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked about Mafia KP.
Mafia KP is fixed at 1.


k now we can stop speculating on useless stuff

It was in the OP, your dumbtell is not accepted.


Really? I don’t remember seeing it in the OP
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:28 GMT
#934
Go ahead and quote it if it’s in the OP, the only thing I see is what I already mentioned about the mafia PMs. Anyway, this convo doesn’t matter, there are far better reasons to be looking at anyway.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:29 GMT
#936
On May 04 2019 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
btw based on the wording of the role PMs I think it can’t be a slip because the mafia PMs say “each night the mafia must choose a person to kill”


I’m guessing you missed my post here VE
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:46 GMT
#945
My problem with BC is that he is aware he looks bad but actually doesn’t manage to do anything to fix that. It’s just a bunch of stuff that looks like contributions and then a reads list.

When I get some time I’ll try to dig around and see if BC posts read lists in other games, cause his play in this game really bothers me
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 01:50 GMT
#947
On May 04 2019 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pandain does have a partner though. I wanna say MZ, but that would mean rayn solved the game before me and I would really just kinda feel bad. Doc should have been on rayn.

FUCK YOU DOC!!!


What?

Rayn never thought MZ was scum, he ranted for a long time asking why I thought MZ was scum.

I remember him saying something like he thinks all of Rels & MZ & FF are town and his final reads list was Vivax, myself, Pandain, and oddly FF thrown in there
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 02:11 GMT
#957
MZ are you here?

Can you explain why you prefer to lynch Rels over Pandain now?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 02:28 GMT
#959
VE look at Pandain’s responses to me in our latest exchange. I read the tone as more genuine frustration than fake.

If I put myself in the shoes of a town Pandain, I don’t find any things that stand really far out of place. The only thing I wish he’d do more is push his reads instead of focusing on himself but I think this is a tall ask for me to make. His points on BC are all completely reasonable and accurate as well.

The best reason to think Pandain is scum is over the Jock vote business, but there are a ton of other things that overshadow that for me. My perspective on Jock was not all that different from Pandain’s either, so I totally get the idea that Pandain thinks it’s an unfair characterization to get attacked for not voting for Jock.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 02:31 GMT
#960
On May 04 2019 11:20 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:44 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?

If you have notes on the game, now’s the time..


Dude my thoughts on MZ are literally in the same post, what are you even thinking. And I literally voted dude.


I’m asking you to resynthesize. idgaf if you posted something before, and I don’t care much that you voted either. If you believe BC is scum why aren’t you trying to convince others to join you?

I don't have unlimited time to play this game. In fact to the contrary, I usually have very limited time. It's why I prioritize and choose useful times I can post (and the main reason I was okay playing a bad n1, since I was unlikely to die). If you want me to restate things becuase you hope to catch me contradicting me previously, than you should realize I can just look at previous posts and make sure that happens. Conversely, if I'm town, what I say shouldn't be different anwyay.

And who I want to lynch is probably who I voted...

And I made like 3-4 posts, no one even responded. At this point it's clear people have made up their mind one way or the other. I don't have anything new to add, I might switch to a MZ counterwagon if it's the only way to save myself. Maybe if I had a free day tomorrow I would spam post to save myself, but unfortunately I don't.

The only closing words I'll say to townies is even if you're pretty sure I'm mafia, look at other people. And hopefully you realize that at least I shouldn't be lynched "today"


You don’t have that much time so you spend a bunch of time speculating about kp and posting this drivel instead of just explaining your read further?

Can you point me to the posts you made which you think no one responded to?


I made a post off the cuff about kp that happened to be wrong and then got called out. It is what it is.

At the time it was the BC post, no one commented about it at all outside of a joke post by VE, now I see some comments which is good. I don't have much to add, you can agree with it or not.


Let’s work together in whatever time you have. I’m not sure if I can prevent a lynch on you nor do I know if I want to at this point but if you are town then I’m basically your only defender.

Let’s imagine you are correct about BC being scum.

1. Do you find any interactions between other players and BC/vice versa that stood out to you?

2. Specifically on MZ, if BC died and flipped scum would you feel more or less confident on MZ?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 02:53 GMT
#963
Well we have to pick at least one player beyond BC. Would you say right now that second player for you is MZ?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:00 GMT
#965
On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.

Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed.


This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me)

how many mafia are left


It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.

Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more?


Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell?

I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed.


No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.



I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck.


Why do you have MZ lean town?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:14 GMT
#968
On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.

Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.


no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:15 GMT
#969
I think VE also has influence because he seems to be universally town-read. I just don't think anyone in this game is unquestionably leading town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:17 GMT
#971
On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.

Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.


no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.


Why HF over say VE?

As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control.


HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:22 GMT
#973
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:26 GMT
#980
On May 04 2019 12:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 11:35 Pandain wrote:
To summarize me on Jock:

I thought he was an okay lynch for day 1, not great but decent for day1. I was lukewarm about him and had more a gut read on rels (although that vibe more disappeared when it became clear rels was not lurking but just genuinely afk). At end of day, I became concerned with the complete lack or drive attempts away from jock which suggested to me he's town. I tried to switch to rels (who I was still not sold on but viewed it like an RNG lynch because he was essentially inactive) , but Rayn would only be down for vivax or bugs. I realized vivax was a great lynch and pushed for him.

Later I posted I think a couple mafia were maybe on Jock, this is because he was the lazy but decent day 1 choice . It didn't mean of course I thought everyone who voted him is suspicious but it does mean I thought scum would vote him too. This has been at least vindicated by vivax flipping.


I kinda hate this post. It sorta frames yesterday as being all about rayn and who rayn wanted to lynch when there was actually quite a bit of turbulence from what I can tell reading the end of day after the fact. Then trying to claim points for saying that a 'couple mafia were maybe on jock' as if anyone gives a shit about VCA that basically says 'I think maybe mafia had a hand in killing this towny!'

Two paragraphs that kinda boil down to "not my fault, remember how I scumread vivax?"


his summary is not inaccurate, just go back and read it from his perspective.

Say Pandain is town. He is not sold on Jock. He's around for lynch.

He asks anyone in the thread if they're up for a switch to Rels. rayn is around and says no, only Vivax or me. Pandain agrees with rayn on Vivax (but not me) so he switches to Vivax and tries to get shenanigans.

I think boiling this down to "I'm not scum because I scumread vivax" is oversimplistic.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:27 GMT
#981
On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me.



Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now?


He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:30 GMT
#987
On May 04 2019 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 12:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.

Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.


no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.


Why HF over say VE?

As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control.


HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain.


Why is he getting credit for Pandain and Jock?

Because bugs has some kind of block about me where he just thinks I'm useless every game. Don't mind bugs.


I don't think you're useless, you're my strongest town ATM but I also am very aware of who has thread pull and who doesn't. You have thread pull, just not as much as HF. And in this game, while you have a lot more thread pull than others on relative terms, no one has any pull in absolute terms and that matters a lot. Like I said earlier in this game, reputation on this forum matters as well and I think it's often taken for granted.

I'm not feeling a Pandain lynch. I'm voting HF.

##unvote
##vote Holyflare

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 03:34 GMT
#991
On May 04 2019 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Still not accepting dumbtells.


btw you should drop this subject, it is not clear from the OP what mafia KP is even if there's a hint to it in the mafia role descriptions. I asked the question about how KP is calculated in PMs. You know as well as I do that I carefully read the OP in every game. The proof of this is in the post where I mention the exact same thing you quoted from the OP.

At any rate, myself, Pandain, and BC can't all dumbtelling.
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