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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 16:48 GMT
#785
VE I’m open to convincing on Pandain because it seems I’m literally the only person who thinks he might be town. Besides the post flip self congratulations do you agree with HF’s points about Pandain?

I’m having a hard time seeing Pandain’s absence as being highly alignment indicative this game regardless of what he actually promised given that there are at least two other players doing similar things (Rels and BC are the ones that immediately come to mind) and this game is already low activity.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 16:53 GMT
#787
On May 04 2019 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE I’m open to convincing on Pandain because it seems I’m literally the only person who thinks he might be town. Besides the post flip self congratulations do you agree with HF’s points about Pandain?

I’m having a hard time seeing Pandain’s absence as being highly alignment indicative this game regardless of what he actually promised given that there are at least two other players doing similar things (Rels and BC are the ones that immediately come to mind) and this game is already low activity.

You think it's better or worse than a lynch on you? That's the question that matters currently.


Literally any lynch is more likely to catch a scum than lynching me but I’m not the right person to ask that :p

I am pretty fine with dying though because it’s clear that my continued presence is going to eat up a lot of town discussion.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 16:57 GMT
#791
like here’s the problem with HF saying me and Pandain are both scum independently but not scum together; it really only makes sense to say that from a mafia perspective. From a town perspective if you think two people are mafia independently, there are very few if any cases where you’d be like “ah but they’re absolutely not scum together” because that’s mostly just useless speculation.

OTOH from mafia perspective it’s great, because it gives him the opportunity to line up a lynch when one of us flips town, and basically allows him to continue to get away with doing jack shit, because he’ll just be like “lol one out of two mafia and we got unlucky today just kill the other”
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:00 GMT
#794
On May 04 2019 01:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 01:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
like here’s the problem with HF saying me and Pandain are both scum independently but not scum together; it really only makes sense to say that from a mafia perspective. From a town perspective if you think two people are mafia independently, there are very few if any cases where you’d be like “ah but they’re absolutely not scum together” because that’s mostly just useless speculation.

OTOH from mafia perspective it’s great, because it gives him the opportunity to line up a lynch when one of us flips town, and basically allows him to continue to get away with doing jack shit, because he’ll just be like “lol one out of two mafia and we got unlucky today just kill the other”

Nah, this hasn't been my experience at all. I've seen a lot of townies do that shit. In video it's REALLY prevalent because the games are shorter and there's no going back, so people equivocate more.


sure lots of baddies do it, are you saying you think HF is bad as town? For a vet this is nothing but a scumtell IMO

HF is even seemingly self-aware of this particular bit
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:06 GMT
#798
On May 04 2019 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
In seriousness though, I've never seen you offer yourself up as town. Literally never.


I’m doing it 1. because I have little confidence I can prevent a lynch on myself today, the momentum is just too large and it seems that there is nothing I can actually do or say for people to not vote me, and 2. because when I flip, town can just read my posts at face value and know I’m not trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:12 GMT
#805
On May 04 2019 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why are you focusing on HF to exclusion? I thought you were suspicious of BC? MZ?

You should know that "punishing bad play" isn't going to fly here, with this player list. What's going on here?


I’m focused on HF because almost everything he’s done is blatantly anti-town. Is he claiming cop? Fake claiming cop? Who knows. When called out he doesn’t actually divulge any info, he’s unnecessarily hostile and misrepresents events on a regular basis, and he clearly doesn’t care to figure out the game; apparently rereading after you incorrectly push a townie on d1 regardless of how well-thought your reasoning was is apparently only for suckers.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:14 GMT
#807
On May 04 2019 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
THERES NO MOMENTUM!

That's probably the scummiest thing you've said today Bugs. Mafia tend to have a bleaker outlook on their own prospects than the reality of their situation.

The only reason people are voting you right now is the claim. In SPITE of the fact that HF is notorious for fake-claiming, there was the possiblity he wasn't so the votes ensued. And now he's dropped that claim. There is NO momentum to lynch you right now, but it probably FEELS like there is.


excuse me? I already had several votes before the claim, and I was confident I’d be dead before the claim as well which is why I tried to self-vote before the claim. It comes down to rayn listing Vivax & Me & Pandain as scum right before he died.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:18 GMT
#808
I have no fear of being lynched as scum nor would I give up on defending myself 5 minutes into the day as scum.

However like I said earlier I literally don’t think it matters what I say because no matter what I say people are going to think I am scum and trying to pull the wool over their eyes or whatever. Since that’s clearly the case the best move is to just kill me ASAP because it gets rid of a useless discussion vector.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:23 GMT
#810
+ Show Spoiler +
I think BC regardless of alignment is more likely to side with me over HF just based on how I know he operates. More important will be his manner and how he votes/pushes a lynch today
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 17:31 GMT
#811
On May 04 2019 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The only vote before the claim was Koshi, who has be unabashed about sheeping rayn.

There simply never was any momentum to lynch you until the claim. We're seeing you flail. It's actually sad.

##Vote: wherebugsgo


This is not true, all four of the votes occurred before HF said he had a red check on me. Yeah, I’m counting my self-vote, but whatever.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:07 GMT
#895
On May 04 2019 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
inb4 Pandain ACTUALLY mafia and then bussed BC because VE convinced him it was a good idea


I have no idea why but it looked like that to me as well

I’m coming around on Pandain being scum, these posts are awful
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:08 GMT
#896
Pandain why did you think Vivax was scum?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:10 GMT
#898
On May 04 2019 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
wbg goes inactive at the craziest time. Figures


Bro it’s 9 am here, I live in Asia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:24 GMT
#902
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?

If you have notes on the game, now’s the time..
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:28 GMT
#904
I really don’t get why Pandain speculated about kp there, I’m in agreement that looks pretty awful.

On balance the only reason I can think of that there might be 2 kp is if there were temporarily an extra kp on n1 because the game has 14 players and typical minis are 13.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:32 GMT
#907
On May 04 2019 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What a cluster fuck -_-

Everything I just read screams of a town bugs vs a town HF. You two need to stop funneling eachother and take a step back and breathe ffs.

TBH if you look based purely on activity since the flip the people based on absence that look the worst.

Pandain
Rels
Me

As we have all been mia. As much as me being at work then sleeping makes sense to me, enough people in mafia lie about why they aren't around to avoid the fos so meh.

IMO the shit pandain did when he came back into thread did not exonerate him. He was a top lynch pick of more than 1 person and all hes done is appear to basically claim town cred then bounce. Given that I was already suspicious of him and the whole attempting to claim town cred and vanishing looks slimy as fuck, hes red in my mind unless he can change my mind before he flips.

The thing with rels. He was "inactive" in thread in the end of the world mafia when he and I were on a team together until he couldn't be anymore. Even then he tried to fly under the radar. However he was stupidly active in the mafia QT.
as much as part of me wants to say hes red. Currently he just looks like he has 0 time and no motivation to play. As hes basically almost at the modkill point id leave him for that / wait and see if he appears just long enough to skirt the posting / voting requirements.

Also just quoting this for my own future thoughts based on how flips play out as the post stood out as a glaring wtf all of todays posting I was reading.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok two hours to go.

I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more.

Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.

I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk. After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk.



man this followed by the post after it might be the scummiest thing in the entire game
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:37 GMT
#914
On May 04 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:
Probably correct but op says no such thing and theres no given mafia vig role. It would have to be factional 1 time kp which is sneaky from mods. It also means a pretty bad slip from panda.


actually the more I think about it, I think the KP bit is not alignment indicative

I can’t actually think of a good reason for someone from either faction to speculate about a doctor save. It looks bad, but I’m not sure it’s scummy.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:39 GMT
#916
On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?

If you have notes on the game, now’s the time..


Dude my thoughts on MZ are literally in the same post, what are you even thinking. And I literally voted dude.


I’m asking you to resynthesize. idgaf if you posted something before, and I don’t care much that you voted either. If you believe BC is scum why aren’t you trying to convince others to join you?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:43 GMT
#917
btw based on the wording of the role PMs I think it can’t be a slip because the mafia PMs say “each night the mafia must choose a person to kill”
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 04 2019 00:48 GMT
#920
On May 04 2019 09:44 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2019 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:
On May 04 2019 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain what do you think of MZ, given that you think BC is scum? Who would you lynch today?

If you have notes on the game, now’s the time..


Dude my thoughts on MZ are literally in the same post, what are you even thinking. And I literally voted dude.


I’m asking you to resynthesize. idgaf if you posted something before, and I don’t care much that you voted either. If you believe BC is scum why aren’t you trying to convince others to join you?

I don't have unlimited time to play this game. In fact to the contrary, I usually have very limited time. It's why I prioritize and choose useful times I can post (and the main reason I was okay playing a bad n1, since I was unlikely to die). If you want me to restate things becuase you hope to catch me contradicting me previously, than you should realize I can just look at previous posts and make sure that happens. Conversely, if I'm town, what I say shouldn't be different anwyay.

And who I want to lynch is probably who I voted...

And I made like 3-4 posts, no one even responded. At this point it's clear people have made up their mind one way or the other. I don't have anything new to add, I might switch to a MZ counterwagon if it's the only way to save myself. Maybe if I had a free day tomorrow I would spam post to save myself, but unfortunately I don't.

The only closing words I'll say to townies is even if you're pretty sure I'm mafia, look at other people. And hopefully you realize that at least I shouldn't be lynched "today"


You don’t have that much time so you spend a bunch of time speculating about kp and posting this drivel instead of just explaining your read further?

Can you point me to the posts you made which you think no one responded to?
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