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On May 08 2019 22:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 08 2019 22:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Y'all
Pandain is trying to drag me into the final 3 with him.
I am the most universally scumread player and who has spearheaded the pushes onto other players both days?
I need to die and I need to die today, because if you keep me alive and you guys lynch slam or grack today then I've been settup as the perfect 2v1 mislynch. I tried tellin 'em. I mean unless you all decide you've been wrong all game and everyone suddenly townreads me, I will be the easiest lylo mislynch of all time. Why are you unwilling to go for Pandain VE? Why does it have to be Grack or Slam?
Because I got my townie fix off Pandain all game long. I don't see it. I'm bout to go filter you right now, because I do NOT trust that they're gonna lynch you tomorrow and I want to give my full opinion on your alignment before I die. If there's stuff against Pandain up in there I'll see it. Plz hold.
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Mmmmeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh
I rescind my townread of MZ. His early activity WAS high, but it feels like it's mostly in response to the quick wagon on him. He quickly fucks off when no suspicion is on him.
A lot of the posts he makes are superficial, like his opening post about lynching scum claims or that one where he talks about agreeing about having multiple wagons. Contrived, meant to appear townie while adding nothing substantive.
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Lemme go check out Pandain's case.
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On May 03 2019 09:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 08:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.
I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.
However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs. do you have any real opinions? Do you? I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible. I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy. VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red. I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know. from my standpoint and the knowledge I have this is a post that manages to say absolutely nothing. "I was liking what HF posted" -> cool, if you're scum you already have the knowledge that HF is town "VE is almost always town" why? slides into hypothetical about VE if I flip scum -> knows that this will never happen so it's a completely empty thing to say MZ is setting up a lynch on Pandain after I flip here with this post. Back when VE started playing, I pushed for his mislynch a lot for behavior that he's displaying right now, after I played with him more I realized that's just how he plays town. So I have a town read on him. I hated Pandain's post flip stuff as we've already been over, however we were in the middle of discussing you vs HF when VE popped in with the posts about Pandain. I even agree with VE on the content there, however if you flip scum (which I'm fairly sure you will) it looks like VE made an out of character chainsaw defense of you before HF claimed. However its your last little line which caught my attention, what do you mean by setting up a lynch? First off I have zero thread pull so suggesting I'm going to get someone lynched is hysterical. Secondly, you have talked about Pandain probably more than any other player in this game, you've gone from town reading him, to calling him scum, to calling him town, to listing him in your "possibles" category and with your last post you seem completely confused with him. All that is to say, why do you have an issue with me reading Pandain as scummy when you have literally done that twice or three times yourself?
On April 07 2019 04:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On April 07 2019 03:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Holyflare what is your point about Damdred and factions explained for dummies.
All I see is you mentioning factions and then calling Damdred scum for thinking there could be factions. Which point? I've made several. My town role doesn't have a faction. It has a seemingly anti town win condition that's selfish but I win with town. No mention of any faction. Fact he is different to me is odd/scummy. He talked about there being at least 3 factions. That tells me his PM is either mafia or 3P. If he was town he has no real way to think that the "faction" he is is the only faction or one of multiple. He can only know if he's not town. Coupled with the fact he seems to be changing what he originally said the more people reveal about their roles it looks really scummy. I agree with this post a lot. I also wanna briefly comment on VE since I've seen him brought up a few times: back when I played frequently VE was pretty popular D1 lynchbait. Now obviously its been 6 or 7 years but right now I've got a very slight meta townread on him.
Here are two posts, one from this game and one from Fibonacci. In both of them he describes my old meta of being a prolific poster (in the past tense LOLOLOL). Tonally, I think they're different. In the Fibo game he states the meta and concludes 'very slight meta townread'.
In this game the post feels more....manipulative. A) I was being pretty universally townread anyway. and B) its phrasing feels more like he's trying to buddy me. "pushed for his mislynch" "but since I've played with him more, I've just realized that's how he plays town.
Further, tonally his Fibo game feels more like he's actually pointedly trying to squeeze information out of the thread, where here he feels like he wants to be seen doing stuff.
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On May 08 2019 23:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mmmmeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh
I rescind my townread of MZ. His early activity WAS high, but it feels like it's mostly in response to the quick wagon on him. He quickly fucks off when no suspicion is on him.
A lot of the posts he makes are superficial, like his opening post about lynching scum claims or that one where he talks about agreeing about having multiple wagons. Contrived, meant to appear townie while adding nothing substantive. Is there any mafia that begs this hard to be lynched?
Of course, especially in this phase of the game filled with players who read into that sort of thing.
And MZ is smart enough to recognize that.
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Again, I'm OFF the townMZ train. I think he should be next.
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On May 09 2019 00:00 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Slam. Grack's play, while being less active than some, has been PRETTY consistently more active than others.
And conversely from Slam, he DOES mention Koshi pretty regularly, as early as D1 drawing attention to him.
Yeah. Between the two, I think it's pretty easily Slam. Then you need to realize something. You lynched FECALFEAST before me when I TOLD YOU IN ADVANCE that I would singlehandedly sink the game. I ALREADY TOLD YOU. So. Lynch me then MZ is my recommendation. If we lose to Pandain, then as you said, he earned this win.
I think it's MZ and we just don't have to worry about it. But yeah, I'm down to lynch you after MZ fo sho.
Look Slam, don't feel bad, the game is fucked. It was fucked from the beginning by town not doing anything about lurkers. We should have lynched a lurker when we lynched HF. But instead we didn't and now we're paying for it. This isn't on you, it's on all the lurkers and the townies who didn't punish them.
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On May 09 2019 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result. I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes. Fucking hell VE you dumbass. Did I ever mention HF while he was alive? How about WBG do I mention WBG much at all? How about grack I have almost nothing to say about him right? How about VIvax?
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You motherfucker.
You set up fucking STRAW MEN and you call me a DUMBASS?!?!?!
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Like it's just dumb, two martyrs, they can't both be the last mafia.
Whichever of you is town, I wish you had just been town instead of letting it get to this point. The other is now probably going to win. You should be ashamed of yourself. Whichever it was.
If you're both town and it's like Bugs or Grack, then I simply cannot.
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On May 09 2019 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result. I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes. Fucking hell VE you dumbass. Did I ever mention HF while he was alive? How about WBG do I mention WBG much at all? How about grack I have almost nothing to say about him right? How about VIvax?
You didn't mention anyone. It's not exonerating to you and doesn't change my point at all. You ignored a bunch of posts by a bunch of people trying to draw attention to Koshi. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention X people because the important part is that you didn't mention Koshi. How does the fact that you didn't mention HF or WBG or Grack change anything about what I said about Koshi? Koshi was the roleblocker. Not WBG, not grack, not HF. My point is that what little time you actually did spend in the thread was spent appealing to me directly and throwing shade on Pandain. In spite of having read a bunch and being caught up.
Now, I'm sorry that ad hominem attacks are more appealing to you than actual logic, but they're certainly not swaying me in the direction you probably desire. Address the substance of my argument rather than attacking me personally. Or get written off entirely.
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On May 09 2019 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2019 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 09 2019 00:11 Alakaslam wrote:On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 08 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
When your main argument against him is "he never mentioned Koshi!" you know that it's a pretty weak argument. And it's not because he's not mafia, it's because there's literally nothing in the filter you can analyze. He might as well not have posted at all than post 8 pages, it's the same result. I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes. Fucking hell VE you dumbass. Did I ever mention HF while he was alive? How about WBG do I mention WBG much at all? How about grack I have almost nothing to say about him right? How about VIvax? You didn't mention anyone. It's not exonerating to you and doesn't change my point at all. You ignored a bunch of posts by a bunch of people trying to draw attention to Koshi. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention X people because the important part is that you didn't mention Koshi. How does the fact that you didn't mention HF or WBG or Grack change anything about what I said about Koshi? Koshi was the roleblocker. Not WBG, not grack, not HF. My point is that what little time you actually did spend in the thread was spent appealing to me directly and throwing shade on Pandain. In spite of having read a bunch and being caught up. Now, I'm sorry that ad hominem attacks are more appealing to you than actual logic, but they're certainly not swaying me in the direction you probably desire. Address the substance of my argument rather than attacking me personally. Or get written off entirely. My point with the “straw men” is that I talk about who catches my attention My point is that you are getting led off to the wilderness by something that is NAI I didn’t mention Koshi because I straight up didn’t think to say anything about him, till he was scum and then I don’t filter scum. Instead, I talked about how others read him earlier because that is fucking useful.Look at my scum games. I totally ignored kush in extractor trick right?
I would believe any of this if not for the bolded statement. Not only can I just simply not understand why you wouldn't look at the dead mafia's filter, but if I imagine how I would obtain reads without doing that all I can come up with is PUSH ON PEOPLE WHO DEFENDED THE MAFIAS and PROTECT PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO PUSH ON THE MAFIAS....the exact opposite of what I'm seeing out of you.
So whatever, your meta is your own. You seem to know it better than I apparently, but it's suspicious to me. And obviously I can't just take your word for it.
And at any rate, we're lynching MZ first.
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omg we won?
Yes dude! I'm gonna go ahead and call that one an ATMOSPHERIC victory by town. Lots of townies able to clear each other long enough that the remaining mafia had to expend too much effort to blend in.
Well done boys. Lots more games just like this one in the future, minus the half the game that just didn't play.
BC, I want to echo that sentiment. I'm glad I was able to curb my paranoia long enough to work with you guys this game. Those moments are as precious as they are rare.
Bugs, I'm so glad it wasn't you.
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Like even Slam and MZ, when they were here they were putting obvious effort in - MZ was point-by-point responding to cases and making cases of his own on top, and Slam was very obviously reading every post in the game after a point.
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Good shit. I'm proud of you boys. I honestly thought mafia had this one.
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Hosts as always thank you for the time and effort. Artanis, I sometimes forget that you've been here since like, the beginning. So a special thanks to you - this subforum still breathes because of you.
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On May 11 2019 06:52 Pandain wrote:
VE I feel like your shot was especially legendary because I don't think you even posted a scum-read of Koshi in thread before you shot him.
I mean, I mentioned him twice the night before - once trying to bring attention to him, and then once to try and throw off the scent. The second one was the key I think given he changed his target 
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On May 04 2019 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like we're just letting Koshi slide. Do we just let that happen some more? When does it become offensive?
On May 04 2019 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 21:12 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2019 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways i think vivax + bugs + pandain is a reasonable option for mafia.
Murder Vivax please if he is not dead come D2. I read rayn filter and I will just be rayn 3.0. This is because Koshi = rayn 2.0 and now I absorbed rayn 1.0. He probably fine.
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On May 11 2019 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was a really enjoyable game overall. gg's
Agree. Even with the lurkers it was a fun game.
I'll join the next one, provided the ban-list still not in effect :O
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