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On May 07 2019 12:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: Slam, the only thing is the thread sentiment regarding the replacement - I think it has to do with Slam replacing iGrok at the same time as Vivax getting modkilled.
Honestly that's what I'm saying, I don't really have a super convincing reason it's NOT Slam, I'm all ears. Well actually what I mean is Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And actually, I'm not 100% on the order, I want discussion on how to proceed. I just think MZ the best option right now based on what's in the thread and what I've observed. What have you observed and what's in the thread that makes you think MZ is better than slam
Ya not 100 tho
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On May 07 2019 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Hey Bugs remember this interaction on D1? It was just after the pile-on to Jock had started, EARLY in D1. Of note, he never voted, but it was a blatent enough to warrant Bugs mentioning it. Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 01:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. I mean talking about how boring you are does nothing to help find scum and then you complain about the site playstyle? Your martyring is not really a good look 12 hours and 3 pages into a game Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 01:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 01 2019 01:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
MZ smelling blood in the water ![[image loading]](https://worldwideinterweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/funny-surfing-pics.jpg) I would categorize all of the following posts as cheerleading the Jock lynch (while simultaneously trying to find another lynch.) Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
What I got from Jock's mindset in his first mafia game is that he was afraid in the qt whenever someone called him out. He's used that, and the advice people gave him of "don't care what people say if they call you mafia" and gone to the other extreme scale of being bratty when called out. I'd associate that more with being new and mafia than Jock as town being lost on what to say. Especially with the insults to TL as a whole. I was just rereading Jock in End of the World because he screamed town that game to me but ended up being red. I mean look here: On March 02 2019 10:16 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 02 2019 10:11 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 02 2019 10:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice I'm sorry but your username would bring the office into disrepute. Surely you jest. I am a well respected member of the community at large. Discrimination and prejudice based on choice of moniker disreputable in and of itself. 99% of my comments are in jest. Jesters are important as they remind kings and nobility of their mortality, fallibility and humanity. Kings fart just the same as the rest of us. This sort of disarming humor type stuff as well as polite questions and well written accusations is how I'd characterize his first game. His second game was similar except with fewer analysis posts. His thread entrance to this game was very jarring and different from both his scum and his town games thus far. The worst part is that it seems like he's trying to bait out the meta read with this comment: On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. It reads like he knows he's playing different and is daring people to scum read him for it. If he hadn't played so similarly in his first two games despite being different alignments I'd be more willing to read his current stance as combative townie who isn't afraid of the spotlight but after looking at his two previous games and his own self aware jab at meta reads I'm more inclined to think he's scum trying to hide behind bravado. Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 09:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 01 2019 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm going to bed and will be back in 7-8 hours. If anyone reads this and wants my opinion later, feel free to ask. Same goes if you're feeling like the game is going slowly; let's discuss what we want to do about it, or at least the minimum we've seen so far. We don't have enough participation yet for D1 to go well IMO, and it's not easy to convince absentees nor is it easy to get scum out talking if town isn't either. Yeah I've got a question - is your resistance to the Jock lynch intentional or circumstantial? Like, I get that you're suspicious of MZ or whatever, but you say MZ "smells blood in the water", does that imply that you think Jock is town? I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit: I gotta go to band practice I'll be back in a few hours Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon. Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway. Completely agree having single wagons D1 is bad. I obviously am currently standing with the Jock suspicions crowd but what other names should we be considering? Me? What do you think of Grack voting Rels, is that another avenue worth exploring?
Also what you pointed out in the moment on D2.
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On May 06 2019 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 10:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 10:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.
I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.
However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs. do you have any real opinions? Do you? I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible. I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy. VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red. I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know. Let's hear what you have to say on BC. I'm assuming right now you think he's town and I want to hear why. I also want to know what you think of Koshi and FF. Like I said to FF feel free to assume I'm town as you respond to me, because that's what I'll flip. If you're town, it's going to make your life much easier later. ohhh now we're having fun, why on earth do you think I read BC as town? I'll get to the others in a second but I wanna know where this "MZ reads BC town" came from. just a hunch, since you agreed with the same wagon on d1, and you think I am scum & making associations on VE & Pandain. I find it hard to believe that anyone could think I am scum with BC but maybe I just don't really understand how mafia works anymore. On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Order of people who need to be lynched currently.
Jock
Rels
FF
Rels and FF are interchangeable atm.
If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements.
In terms of everyone else.
BC - Town
Pandain - lean town
WBG -lean town
HF - lean town
VE - Lean town
Koshi - Neutral
Rayn - Neutral
Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town. On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Well I really don't like either of these two incredibly opportunistic posts right here. And you and BC could very easily be scum together so let's not get all caught up in wifom as to why you two "couldn't be scum together" shall we. I would say BC is less likely to flip red than Pandain but I certainly don't have him as turbo town. Koshi is null: On May 02 2019 05:52 Koshi wrote:
I am shooting Fefe tonight. #Truestory But I would love to get a follow on with that. Rels... might actually be a great follow on if Pandain isn't scum: On May 03 2019 02:10 Rels wrote:
gotta stop now, lunch break is over. I'm almost caught up, bugs and Vivax scums. Vivax is a really good wagon to start D2 with as he doesn't know how to defend as scum This post right here was two hours before them flip, funny how it mentions vivax who scum probably would have known by then was gonna get modkilled... okay, so just to clarify: 1. you're assuming I am scum 2. you're fairly convinced Pandain is scum 3. You're townish on BC? Less likely than Pandain but not turbo town? What's keeping you from taking a stance on BC? 4. Koshi is null/unreadable. 5. Rels might be a good lead IFF Pandain is not scum because he might have slipped on knowing about Vivax. Is that right? Can you clarify on #3? I want to hear more about BC. Jesus you are dense You have a red check backing up good analysis done by HF, of course I think you're scum Yes I have no idea how you got townish on BC, if anything I'd say scummish. The only reason you don't think I have a stance on BC is bc you're being obtuse. I think he made two very opportunistic posts and aside from that has done fuck all. Rels is probably scum before BC because of his TMI post but if by some godawful stroke of luck you are a miller and Pandain is also town then BC would be next up of most likely suspects in my eyes. Yes Yes Null reads Koshi here, late-like. I'm interested in why Koshi still reads as Null at this point in the game, but he's fine with even advocates Rels lynch over the first couple days. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 11:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 11:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
also why did you ignore FF? Probably town: On May 03 2019 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 03 2019 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I accept the shot on me as I'm not a role I will play this next phase though i swear let's play, FF. Who's scum? You can assume both me and HF are town for this exercise. Why would I assume you are town you've been red checked I'd probably say rels because he's mia and seeing that vivax was going to not play he probably screwed off himself That's a good call right there and I agree with it. Also goes on to say that FF is town, provides reasoning. While he said he "wants followup from Koshi" on the Fefe shot, he never seems to press the matter. Koshi threatened to shoot a townread. Why Koshi still null bro? Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 04 2019 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 04 2019 04:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 04 2019 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 04 2019 04:28 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Higher probability scum.
Bugs only looks like mafia because of how he's flailing here, now. His play before now looked pretty null to me, leaning townie. The exchange between he and HF is a tough call though - like I said before, he looks like mafia because of how "resigned" he is to his fate. He even didn't believe HF's claim all along and STILL felt "momentum to lynch" him, even after the claim was retracted.
Further, he looks worse because he ultimately believed HF - though the progression looks relatively natural, it could just as easily be him realizing the miller angle slowly, as others were realizing it too. As a townie, MY gut reaction is "WELP LOOKS LIKE WE GETEM BOYS!!!" if someone fake-claims on me, I INSTANTLY assume they're mafia trying to fuck me. It never really looked like bugs had that reaction.
HOWEVER
In the spirit of transparency, I'm not confident in my ability to accurately read bugs or his intentions. He's always been something of a wild-card to me and that frustration has bubbled over several times in our history. That could be coloring my hesitation to call him scum - I've been wrong SO MUCH before about Bugs. But like I said before - his play lacks a sharp edge that his mafia game typically has, so I've been leaning town most of the game. First few bits is why I disliked him. Guess Pandain is the safer lynch bu t I really don't care tbh. Did you not get this bit? What do you make of that VE? Also what do you make of FF saying he's down for Rels and then down for Pandain just as quickly? What do you think of me saying I'm down for a rels lynch then down for pandain just as quickly? VE obviously didn't read into it and you obviously have some suspicious thoughts about it or you wouldn't have brought it up. Or were you just trying to act like you're scumhunting by putting names in front of active townies? I think you're just bouncing around to whatever wagon is the most convenient. Tell me why I shouldn't think that. WAIT JUST A GOD DAMN MOMENT!!!!!!!!
On May 06 2019 22:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Advocates for a Rels lynch at a time when Koshi is just as aggressively null, even worse so. But then flips on Fefe, someone he has thought was town based on actual reasoning in the thread, BEFORE considering aggressively null Koshi AGAIN!?!??!?!?
MZ is the opportunist we're looking for here guys. He's been JUST THIS SIDE of active enough to be outside of the major lurkers, while simultaneously keeping our eyes focused on our own biases.
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With Slam I got....maybe the mod didn't want to fuck Koshi by modkilling TWO mafia D2? Suspiciously inactive? *shrug*
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On May 07 2019 12:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think BC's play in this game was worth being night killed without any prior expectation from him.
What are you saying? Because he DID get night killed.
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On May 07 2019 12:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok realistically I think there are only a few people that would ever night kill BC. Me/WBG/MZ
Me because he was scum reading me earlier and WBG/MZ because they are old-timey players with a lot of respect for BC's play.
I don't see Slam or FF making that NK choice.
Missed this. Didn't realize we paged.
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Ehhh, that's true too an extent. I hate trying to base reads on that anymore, in video people rng kills sometimes JUST to have no kill meta.
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On May 07 2019 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
You do you.
I haven't seen an RNG kill on forum though. People kill based off reads or who they respect.
No I agree with you, I was just saying what I do.
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On May 07 2019 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
You do you.
I haven't seen an RNG kill on forum though. People kill based off reads or who they respect.
Actually now that you mention it, I'd be surprised if Palmar hadn't RNG'd a kill or seven in his career.
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There's a school of thought that says RNG is the like, ONLY way to reliably play the game, town or mafia. Towns have a higher chance of hitting mafia D1 based on RNG than they can reliably expect to hit a mafia via reads/consensus. The problem is that you'd need consensus to do RNG too so you never REALLY know unless you measure it.
+ Show Spoiler +They have, and I'm not sure about the percentages, but RNG wins the day slightly
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HA I beat yous guys. REEEEEKT
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On May 07 2019 13:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also I want you all to observe right now that you’re all sitting around in a big circle, doubting each other, and the main person that’s missing is Meapak
Like I haven’t properly read everything today but his posts are the only ones that have made no imprint on my mind
I’m probably really biased but I feel like even though hens been around, Meapak’s absence is always just that thing hanging around creepily in the background
About 3 pages back he had a short spurt of posting throwing shade on Pandain. He even got Slam on board.
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On May 07 2019 13:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 07 2019 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Basically MZ made a good point I don’t think mafia do that either You have to remember: mafia know peoples' alignment. Don't clear him on his ability to correctly identify a town - the mafia can do that in their sleep. You can only catch them in them trying to find mafia - because they have to make you think that a townie is mafia somehow. They can say true statements all day long about all the townies. In fact, they're GOING to to try and gain allies. Slam, think my sson. Oh Oh yes this is truth Hijole
And the truth shall set you free.
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On May 07 2019 13:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Otherwise I will give scum the game, fucking hell
Bro stop this, who the fuck holds a game hostage because of a more than likely wrong read?
Like, you didn't even read my post, you just saw that it was disagreeing with yours and started typing.
Whatever, you can die first idgaf. Especially if you're threatening the game over it.
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Like shit, you don't get to be this indignant after FUCKING OFF the ENTIRE GAME Slam.
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On May 07 2019 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:
VE I DONT HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER MAN lol!
On May 07 2019 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
I am just saying I Lehman be such a bad influence that I would make ya lose
These two statements are logically at odds. Unless you just have a guilty conscience and are mafia, if you believe you don't have the power to threaten the game, then you can't believe that you can be such a bad influence that we lose. I'm saying that you CAN be such a bad influence that we lose, by shitting up the thread and taking it hostage AS YOU WERE LITERALLY THREATENING, and that threatening to do that is fucking bullshit considering the level of activity you've deigned to show us here.
Now I understand that you suspect MZ is town and YOUR suspicion is duly noted. I've provided my reasoning for thinking that he's mafia, and paranoia notwithstanding, I think it's worth a lynch. I perfectly reasonably said that Pandain is a fine counterwagon. I wish you luck in your push sir.
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WAIT YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN YOUR PUSH?!!?!?
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Or you do and you're just martyring like a fucking pussy.
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On May 07 2019 13:47 Alakaslam wrote:
But I swear it is Pandain. M_Z townflip you all should question logic, lynch me, and see that I am wise despite my malleability
Martyring like this is A) not convincing and B) a bad idea because look man - if you're town then you have no information and the capacity to be wrong. So suppose that it's Bugs and we lynch MZ, then YOU, then PANDAIN.
All because you were SOOOO SURE.
It all comes down to reading. You don't want to do it. I don't know if it makes you mafia. But it's why you have no credibility, NOT because of your lack of activity. Look at BC Slam. GO ON LOOK AT HIS FILTER! Until he pow-wow'd with Bugs he had like 2 pages of filter. And he got killed last night instead of basically confirmed-town VE. And it's not because he's "a name". He's "a name" because he goes back and rereads and solves games. So whatever man, you can have this image of yourself and nothing I say can change it. But I'm sayin.
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Like this sudden shift in Slam is really strange to me, can someone that's not me look at it and tell me if it's scummy? I feel like I'm too close to it to say.
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