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On May 04 2019 06:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok BC
I can agree with a fair bit of that, but I want to know why you've got Grack listed as a red.
He rubs me completely the wrong way. All of his posts scream feigned activity to me but whatever meta TL mafia has turned into I still don't understand or well like. I give him credit for wanting to off vivax early but his posts outside that make me want to burn him with fire.
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On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.
I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck.
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On May 04 2019 12:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. Why do you have MZ lean town?
Hes generating discussion, hes pushing people where they should be pushed (ie like trying to get HF to explain his fake claim)
Answers questions, asking questions about reads etc..
Can it be faked as red? Sure but its why I have him leaning town. Hes only made one post that I don't like as right now.
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bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently.
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On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.
Why HF over say VE?
As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control.
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On May 04 2019 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think VE also has influence because he seems to be universally town-read. I just don't think anyone in this game is unquestionably leading town.
Now this leads the rub. Based purely on player activity (you can check filters)
How the fuck between all the walls of text / posting has no one snagged real thread control / direction of the town. Why is the only real cases being made for the day.
You and Pandain.
Something to me feels wrong about it all.
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On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain.
Why is he getting credit for Pandain and Jock?
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On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me.
Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now?
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On May 04 2019 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. 1kp fixed is in the OP BC I'm not accepting dumbtells at this time.
to be perfectly honest until the host came in and said fixed 1 kp I didn't even know that so *shrug*
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VE, would you say what bugs just said about HF is true?
On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game.
and if so? is that his standard town play? because my recollection of my recent encounter with him is that it isnt.
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Would you also say he is normally fairly aggressive/loud in pushing his views/opinions?
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TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.
I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.
So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.
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On May 04 2019 12:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.
I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.
So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread. I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity) Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective. BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.
Id say add to this the fact that right after Vivax was modkilled he said the game was super easy but isn't the one leading the charge to said victory.
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On May 04 2019 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF
Why do you think I haven't pulled that trigger yet. Im still unsure on if im second guessing just how easy this all this and making it more complicated than it has to =\
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On May 03 2019 07:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Hm didn't realise there was miller too. Pretty shit if it's gf miller though. how the fuck can you not realise there is a miller if you're a cop You think i read op? Hahaha
On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game?
On May 04 2019 09:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:35 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:34 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
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This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia. Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low. Way to trivialise it. This is just one of many points against. The only okay points are lack of activity night one and fake inconsistencies regarding Jock, which I addressed and you never responded to. It absolutely was not inconsistent at all. I didn't like your response and chose to ignore it in favour of my perceived chain of events which makes you look pretty scummy if I do say so myself.
Highlighting these three primarily because he fake claims (whatever he does it a lot) however does it and didnt read the OP to realize the chance of a miller existed. The key part to this is the not reading the OP.
Follow that into the 2nd quote. That is the statement pandain made that warranted HF to vote for him. Which given all the other content going around the thread was a pretty weak statement to jump on. Moreso because it was lack of reading the OP related that HF himself is guilty of.
Now the third quote. Literally stating that he is ignoring what someone said in favour of his own views. If he truly believed Pandain is mafia, he would be able to use pandains words as a reasons for this and actions, not just ignore them and make up ones own version of the events.
Pretty sure he also dodged MZ's questions when MZ wanted to know about the shit related to the fakeclaim.
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Sigh. This will either be one of the best or worst moments of a TL mafia game.
##vote holyflare
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i work 12 hour continental shifts. I feel your pain.
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Hey MEAPEAKKKK
Nice to see you again.
Care to weigh in aside from the "ima vote" post? What do you think of everything that has happened. etc...
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TBH im still fine with his lynch. His reasons for his lower activity while making sense, his posts are still missing that aggressive tone that I attach to HF. Although some of his posts felt rushed as well.
Sorry HF, you claiming Vet also was super bad. Even if you flip one you have set a precedent of fake claiming that I can't accept any claim you make with your neck in the noose =\
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Also his reason for making me "look bad" if he flips town is inaccurate as well. He normally is a bit better than that.
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