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KelsierSC
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April 02 2019 08:01 GMT
#133
i'll /in should be a good time
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KelsierSC
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April 05 2019 22:02 GMT
#170
Fucking Genoa amirite?
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KelsierSC
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April 05 2019 22:14 GMT
#178
On April 06 2019 07:10 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, my name is Eywa-, three mods is too many, I suggest we lynch one.


The three we have barely make one passable mod so leave 'em be.

No ban plz
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
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April 05 2019 22:15 GMT
#182
On April 06 2019 07:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Friends I bring news!

+ Show Spoiler +

Grackaroni is in LOVE!


Thank you friends for the well wishes.


What's his name?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 05 2019 22:37 GMT
#202
On April 06 2019 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 07:13 Holyflare wrote:
imagine being in a themed game and not having a proper role

+1

Lets make a roman pact?

Is a Roman pact special in anyway or just like a normal pact except you occasionally murder Christians?
I'm in either way.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 05 2019 22:38 GMT
#203
Although my country has a bad record with European agreements.
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KelsierSC
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April 05 2019 22:41 GMT
#207
Seems important so take your time
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KelsierSC
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April 05 2019 22:44 GMT
#209
Sounds like you've got a handle on that issue.

We lynching ff then?
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KelsierSC
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April 05 2019 22:50 GMT
#215
On April 06 2019 07:47 LightningStrike wrote:
No need to lynch FF atm.


Don't need to but let's fucking do it.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 05 2019 23:02 GMT
#230
On April 06 2019 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I really want to find my Arbic/Hindu mathematicians tbh it part of my role.


I'm sure thar they , like the rest of the game,are aware of this so you can probably stop spamming it
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 05 2019 23:07 GMT
#234
No idea what the fuck is going on.
Going to sleep and will post in the am.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 06 2019 07:15 GMT
#447
Good Morning,

I've gone through the thread and will share a couple of reads.

Holyflare is my top town right now,

On April 06 2019 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 06 2019 08:19 Damdred wrote:
Hrm....this is interesting a bit

I think hf is correct this is at least a three faction game I think. Well sorta town might have multiple factions within itself.



nobody from my town faction says this unless they are a different faction entirely which they'd only assume from their role


Stood out to me, I have no clue about factions and names and arbics but this jumped out to me as town and showed a good amount of thought put into the game, furthermore the rant post about how his role was shit...I don't see scum doing that.

With regards to scum, I voted ff in part because some other peope said so but mostly so we could get the game going and we could stop talking about Roman history or slam's girlfriend/next victim but I can't give more than "i don't like his posting" I think Mig's pushing on him is pretty justified though.

Finally I don't like VE, it feels like it's mostly a lot of memes and jokes when the game had moved past that to an extent and didn't like his vote reasoning but the thing that struck me the most was.

On April 06 2019 11:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Was the LS thing real or just racist?


After rayn had said something about arabs. The thing is LS had posted about arbics ~ 400 times in the thread so I don't see how you can interpret or question what Rayn said if you are reading the thread at all. Seemed bad to me.

I have small leanings either way on other players but nothing I want to specifically write about. I will probably look more into HF's circle/town and see what I agree with and then look at what rayn posts as he is generally not terrible and I can understand what he writes
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 06 2019 07:17 GMT
#448
i'm dumpster, I didn't see the smiley after VE's post. Ok ignore that whole bit about VE not reading. Basically I don't like his meme density ,nothing more than that
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 06 2019 13:14 GMT
#472
On April 06 2019 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'M STARTING TO GET TINGLY SCUMMY FEELINGS ABOUT EYWA COMING IN HERE AND STARTING A BUNCH OF SHIT


Yah seems dumpster
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 06 2019 13:19 GMT
#476
Feel like ve and jock both went up on my estimation there.

From jock he's like responding to everything thrown at him whereas if your mafia you want to pretend you don't care and act all aloof because I'm "so busy catching scum right now"
've didn't like the ewar dudes post and I agreed. Trying to be a therapist like "so what do you think about this guy pushing on you." Who gives a fuck mang.

Still lynch ff and now lynch the new guy aswell.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 06 2019 13:20 GMT
#477
On April 06 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm probably going to ask you this every SINGLE time, but is your name based on the Mistborn novels?


I was agreeing with your point not calling you a dumpster. You are a cool dude.
Name is based on the mistborn novels. Sanderson is great.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 07 2019 14:25 GMT
#773
Don't understand ls's reasoning about the build up being quick at all. Just looks like a reason not to vote mz.
Mig seemed ok so I'll vote m&s if it's the other wagon.
## vote m&s
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
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April 08 2019 05:41 GMT
#1229
Rip mz
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KelsierSC
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April 08 2019 09:57 GMT
#1261
On April 08 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
I am pretty sure palmar knows damdred just afks days at a time but he tried to push it as scummy.


This is true
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 10:03 GMT
#1263
On April 08 2019 19:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On April 08 2019 18:57 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
I am pretty sure palmar knows damdred just afks days at a time but he tried to push it as scummy.


This is true


Palmar didn't seem to me to be pushing the afk angle.
Here's where he explained why damdred was scum:

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 19:43 Palmar wrote:
To clarify about Damdred.

If I'm to accept his posts at face value, I'd have to believe he has found a way to read rayn as town pretty strongly, in addition to believing he has an anti-town (ie: killing townies, because he thinks rayn is town) secondary win condition and in addition that he chose to reveal that win condition.

Aside from the fact that secondary win conditions are both rare and terrible, even if Damdred has one his optimal play as town is to just play like town and shut up about it. There is absolutely no benefit for Damdred to reveal having objectives outside of killing mafia as town.

I don't believe him.

What I think happened is Damdred is positioning himself to play as 3rd party, ie, he wants us to think he's a neutral 3rd party faction. Mafia does this all the time, it's better to be perceived as a 3rd party working on your own objectives than as mafia. Town doesn't have the same problem because it's even better to be perceived as town than 3rd party.

I don't believe him, I think he's scum.

His best excuse would probably just be that he's trolling and none of this stuff is real.


This is at least as good a reason to vote for someone as anything else I read on d1.


Fair point. I didn't actually check if Palmer had pushed the afk angle. But I agree with hf it would be bullshit if he did.
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KelsierSC
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 10:28 GMT
#1265
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol


Jock? This is pretty good shit mang.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 10:54 GMT
#1271
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 11:20 GMT
#1276
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 11:22 GMT
#1279
On April 08 2019 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015


I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.


Haha ok.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 11:31 GMT
#1281
On April 08 2019 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015


I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.


I agree that damdred used to be a very good d1 player. However that was a long time ago.

Admittedly there have been fewer games in recent years and I've played in few of those but my impression of damdred now is that he disappears for full phases and misses votes etc. So I let him do his own thing and then he wins or loses.

If your meta read is based on him being an active player d1 who makes good case then I'd just have to disagree. Not sure if you are lying or just using an outdated read
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 11:34 GMT
#1286
On April 08 2019 20:32 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 20:31 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:21 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 20:15 Palmar wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:53 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
On April 08 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2019 05:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm so confused by the resistance to lynch damdred. He's afk, he's posted nothing but setup stuff.

He actually has a history of being useful in day 1.

Even if you don't agree with me on the "he's positioning himself to claim 3p and is thus mafia" thing, the other reasons are plenty fine to kill him.


This is just flat out crap lol

eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of games as town.

ebwop: eh right. i am pretty damn sure that ive seen more than one game where damdred was super afk for a bunch of days as town.


Agree. I love damdred but he's never a d1 phenom


He's one of the best Day 1 players on the site when he tries.

On February 02 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Eden should be the lynch today, his play has been totally uneven and inconsistent with any iteration of his town game and tonely sounds close to the way he played in New Years Eve mafia.

Eden comes into the game being sarcastic and useless, he has several posts that are questionable at the time. The first post that is a head scratcher for me is the weak soft defense of me. He is disagreeing with HF case but draws no conclusions from it, he doesn't seem to draw any conclusions in his early filter at all his thought process is just totally devoid and lacks focus and direction. No reads at all are given in the early going and no scum hunting is going on, when this is somewhat alluded to Eden begins to pull the I do not want to get N1 card.

His first large post is mainly him complaining about getting killed N1, with a question to SL at the very end. The post lacks any real content and has a real feeling of trying to look like hes doing something rather than what he was being accused of. Still he lacks conclusions and any type of reads in the thread at all.

He also sheeps a vote onto SL, but its very noncommittal vote that can be taken back very easily. Its a really weird vote that just doesn't seem right, I can sheep this but wait theres more. Just feels like trying to follow along with the thread sentiment at that point while looking for a way out and keeping options open.

First real reads in the thread are that Marv and HF looked ok and then that Rsoultin has a tentative town read because of his push on me. This is the second time that we see Edens scum hunting come down to sheeping people and not given any real thought to it. But I would be a good lynch for my flip on Palmar, but no real thought seems to go into it or fact checking, says they have read my filter but its a weird read because he says he can understand, and then goes on to call Palmar town even though hes starting to scum read me for not wanting to lynch Palmar? That doesn't make sense to me.

After this post there really is not much of substantial value in the filter its just a lot of one liners some of them wanting to kill me, and then my blue claim and he looks for somewhere to put his vote and tells everyone to vote FF. Gives no explanation really why FF should be the lynch that day and never realy pushes it just afk a vote on FF and leaves the thread with the only content after that being that Palmar is town.

Town reading people for no reason
Inconsitant thought process
Not scum hunting at all, barely giving any reads
Only sheeping people
Throwing away his vote

Eden is scum vote him


I am enchanted by your grandiose words, by your burly manliness, by your unwavering confidence and your courage.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will.

You have my sword.


This is one of the best day 1 cases in the history of TL mafia. It's not often I get this convinced by a case. I sometimes read it when I feel anxious about TL Mafia stupidity and it calms me. I know somewhere out there... no matter how far, there is intelligence.

We lynched Eden.

He was mafia.


2015


I mean, you just lynched town so not sure why you're questioning my methods.


I agree that damdred used to be a very good d1 player. However that was a long time ago.

Admittedly there have been fewer games in recent years and I've played in few of those but my impression of damdred now is that he disappears for full phases and misses votes etc. So I let him do his own thing and then he wins or loses.

If your meta read is based on him being an active player d1 who makes good case then I'd just have to disagree. Not sure if you are lying or just using an outdated read


No, that's not my read, I was just telling you you were wrong.

Can you just slow down for a sec and actually read?


Oh don't get so prickly

I was typing as you posted
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
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April 08 2019 11:42 GMT
#1289
@Palmar

I don't think you are lying with regards to your case on damdred I just have to disagree with it.

Worrying/trying to figure out alignments and the "third party positioning" stuff can all be explained by it being a themed game where nonone has any idsa whats happening.
Being afk is explained by it being damdred. I agree we can probably drop it.

With sentinel. Lots of people look bad including me but I was super confused and didn't keep up over the weekend so . I'm going to wait till night resolves. hopefully a bunch of people die and reveal more about the game.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 11:47 GMT
#1292
On April 08 2019 20:43 Palmar wrote:
Sentinel had a bit going into the game and kept with it for way too long, to the point he did nothing useful on day 1 because he was doing his bit.

Wonder where we've seen sentinel hide behind a gimmick as mafia before?

Also, his last minute voteswitch has a few implications. Did he know he was too late? Clocks aren't a hard thing to work. I always find it very unrealistic people miss deadlines accidentally.

Or maybe I'm just wrong on Damdred.

Who knows


Agree on the voteswitch thing. Looks like bullshit
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 13:20 GMT
#1370
fuck is this?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 16:02 GMT
#1449
On April 08 2019 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Quickly so I can move on. Doing Palmar and will probably take a sec because he's got a case and I look at his cases out of respeck. RESPECK!

KSC:

His filter reads pretty poorly. He had very little input D1, and the bulk of his activity is arguing with Palmar wrt his Damdred case. Softly shat on the MZ wagon and threw his vote away on Palmar. High mafia probability.


Mocsta:

I’m not up on my Mocsta meta so I’m just going to give my feels about Mocsta and someone more readily familiar can check my work. He’s doing this thing that I seem to recall being NAI, where he acts super sure of himself and his reads regardless of actual level of certainty. It feels townie to me, as it feels like a way to push people off-balance and get their emotions up, something I don’t readily associate with Mocsta’s mafia play.

This post gives me pause, however, in which he agrees with on the current vote leader but votes in favor of another wagon. In his favor is the fact that he’s pretty open about the fact that he considers both to be crapshoots, and not liking FF, the other viable wagon.

Overall I think he’s town, but like I said, someone who is more familiar with Mocsta’s meta should look and see if there’s anything I missed or was mistaken about.



I never voted Palmar and voted MZ so...u ok?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 16:08 GMT
#1450
On April 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote:
I don't really know why Kelsier has resurrected a discussion about Damdreds D1 plays. Doesn't feel to me like it led him to anything. Really just looks like a discussion of facts from outside the game. Damdred has been an afk non-entity for a while now. He just tends to forget about the game past D1.

The focus on interest should rather lie on Palmars weird ass theory that Damdred was mafia pretending to be 3p. I don't really see a world where that is of benefit to mafia.


I was in the thread when that was the topic of discussion and I thought HF's point was pretty interesting. You've had a boner for me all game and you seem pretty tunneled so maybe chill the fuck out a little bit.

If you need an explanation for a lacklustre d1 I had a very busy weekend, the first time I posted any reads I got called a scum tryhard which sort of lowered my motivation to contribute.

@ls I don't see the point going deep into reads at this point as I will reevaluate when the night actions occur. Kind of lost and a bit meh with the whole game tbh.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 16:56 GMT
#1462
On April 09 2019 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 04:15 Mig wrote:
The arguing/speculation about the setup and roles seems like a waste of time 3 hours before lynch. Lets try to lynch who is scummiest. My wincon says win with town I do not care about lynching anything other than non town. We will have more information tomorrow after people flip anyway.

Thoughts on a palmar lynch? His stuff feels forced to me. If he just said I want to lynch damdred because of his only posts being speculation on setup then fine but then he felt the need to justify it with 8 paragraphs coming up a theory about how hes a mafia trying to pretend to be a 3rd party? Its the start of the game and Damdred has barely posted. Seems like a real stretch, when I played with palmar back in the day he was always one of the better players which makes me question whether he really believes what hes saying here or if this is just a safe/easy mislynch for him to push

meapak have you figured out who you are voting for yet?


I'm having a hard time seeing how starting from this post which in my opinion is probably the only good reason to lynch Palmar, Migs further posts seek to achieve his proclaimed objective of murdering Palmar. Maybe 30 % of them. But then there's posts like these (and a bunch of other non-Palmar-related questions):

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 04:51 Mig wrote:
tumblewood why are you voting me over mocsta when your most recent post about finding someone scummy was him?


Which display a scummy focus. It is obvious that TW would vote the scumread most likely to be lynched out of a set of scumreads that involved mig himself. And it's not a post that has any way of convincing TW to vote for Palmar, just to not vote Mig.


Was Palmar a scumread of TW ? otherwise it's not really a scumtell?
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KelsierSC
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April 08 2019 17:13 GMT
#1465
On April 09 2019 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vivax is mafia


K
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 22:12 GMT
#1493
so ff killed LS.
have to assume jock was the scum kill as eywa was pretty good lynch bait.
no clue how eywa died though. roman assasin?

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 22:14 GMT
#1497
On April 09 2019 07:13 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
so ff killed LS.
have to assume jock was the scum kill as eywa was pretty good lynch bait.
no clue how eywa died though. roman assasin?


are you even reading?
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
ok so since actions can no longer be changed

I'm the roman assassin and i assassinated LS. I apparently don't get removed if I win so I'm still here to play for town's wincon



alright mate chill out
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 22:16 GMT
#1498
I guess mafia or the inquisition w/e had 2 kp then
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 08 2019 22:21 GMT
#1501
I don't really get any of this shit so im going to bed
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 13:34 GMT
#1646
Looks like you can't vote Grack
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
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April 09 2019 13:36 GMT
#1648
weird shit mang.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
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April 09 2019 13:47 GMT
#1650
On April 09 2019 22:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Looks like you can't vote Grack

Thnx that didnt register

Such a weird way from host to confirm lol

R u caught up?


nope, still don't really get all this factional bullshit and work is busy etc. so i'll just vote whatever wagon seems good at EoD . This game is beyond my comprehension/commitment.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 14:02 GMT
#1652
Sentinel has the worst filter just based on length and content so probably a good choice.


##vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 14:11 GMT
#1654
On April 09 2019 23:06 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 23:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinel has the worst filter just based on length and content so probably a good choice.


##vote: [UoN]Sentinel
really...

What were some of the redeaming content in the other filters that sentinel was the obvious choice...


I remember thinking Mig felt towny since he first posted. Palmar I spoke to about damdred and though I disagreed I didn't necessarily get the impression he was lying. Vivax has wanted to kill me for everything this game so i'm curious to see where it goes.
Sentinel hasn't contributed anything really so fuck it, kill him off.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 14:18 GMT
#1655
Didn't like the "last minute / oh noes i'm too late" vote switch from sentinel either, usually fake .
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 14:25 GMT
#1659
On April 09 2019 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
To confirm ksc:
These arent reads based on current game dive?


Im so conflicted...sigh
I want to policy lynch u and thats a big deal coming from me


correct
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 14:28 GMT
#1660
I'll have a proper read through tonight and give some actual effort with no complaints. deal?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 20:03 GMT
#2111
Too sleepy for all this. See you all tomorrow
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 20:27 GMT
#2177
i bussed grak out of this day phase. so his night actions couldnt resolve same for actions against him. he's in a QT with me and i guess he comes back next phase

i win with town but my role doesnt seem to have anything to do with maths or pythagoras or romans, some shit about unravelling lovers.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 09 2019 20:46 GMT
#2234
On April 10 2019 05:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why are KSC and grack are almost certainly not mafia together?

KSC claimed a role which is basically "remove this player from the game for a day cycle" which is an awfully strange role to use on your teammate. tbh not sure why town would get that role at all


well im supposed to try and find some star crossed lovers and untwine them...grak said he was in love so I figured I should do what my role is supposed to do.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 06:07 GMT
#2522
How come grack got converted if my role stops night actions from or to the person I shift.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 07:14 GMT
#2523
hmm it says I have to untangle the lovers...so maybe if I pick the town lover they become mafia and if I pick the mafia one they become town.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 07:18 GMT
#2524
Not sure if I pick someone who isn't one of the SCL that it would shift their alignment. I should probably have asked questions and thought about things more before I yolo picked grack.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:01 GMT
#2556
On April 11 2019 22:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
With regard to Kels role, it feels mafia-flavored to me. Consider - mafia presumably knew that Grack was converted, and the following day Grack was unable to receive votes. Kels claims his actions was based on YOLO, which taken with everything seems bad.

However I've also filtered Vivax. From early on Vivax was trying to lynch Kels, so I think I wanna take him off the table tomorrow. He had him in sights D1 and was waffley on him D2, but careful to leave him on the table. My own reservations about his role aside, I think lynching Kels tomorrow a bad idea.

Conversely, his most recent reads post pretty heavily downplays a Sentinel lynch as "policy" and "lynch-baity".

Based on Vivax filter I think I'd like a Sent lynch tomorrow the mostest.


If it was a mafia role then in the mafia QT vivax just tells me grack is the other SCL and I recruit him N1 winning the game immediately.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:05 GMT
#2561
On April 11 2019 23:02 Pandain wrote:
@Kelsier can you share your chat with grack?


im not allowed to copy or screenshot but I didn't really talk to him that much tbh. Is there anything specific you are looking for?

I was busy at work and he called me shitty, i called him a dickhead and then we didn't talk
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:08 GMT
#2562
On April 11 2019 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2019 23:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 11 2019 22:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
With regard to Kels role, it feels mafia-flavored to me. Consider - mafia presumably knew that Grack was converted, and the following day Grack was unable to receive votes. Kels claims his actions was based on YOLO, which taken with everything seems bad.

However I've also filtered Vivax. From early on Vivax was trying to lynch Kels, so I think I wanna take him off the table tomorrow. He had him in sights D1 and was waffley on him D2, but careful to leave him on the table. My own reservations about his role aside, I think lynching Kels tomorrow a bad idea.

Conversely, his most recent reads post pretty heavily downplays a Sentinel lynch as "policy" and "lynch-baity".

Based on Vivax filter I think I'd like a Sent lynch tomorrow the mostest.


If it was a mafia role then in the mafia QT vivax just tells me grack is the other SCL and I recruit him N1 winning the game immediately.


Unless you're lying about the whole "Untangle the lovers" thing which not only doesn't make any sense thematically but you've failed to adequately explain yourself.


the name of the role is the doppler shift , which is a maths/physics thing though i don't know what ties it has to fibbo.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:08 GMT
#2564
what explanation do you need exactly?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:16 GMT
#2568
On April 11 2019 23:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2019 23:08 KelsierSC wrote:
what explanation do you need exactly?

I don't even know what "Untangle" means, obviously it isn't jail one of them or you would have won, does it mean kill them? Does it mean put them on the same side with the recruiting mechanic?

I mean I was unsure about what my win-condition was but once I got the actual information I needed it became obvious - you're telling me that with full knowledge of both their roles, you still have no idea what it means to untangle them?


my role pm just said I have to untangle the SCL's.
It siad I can choose to jail someone and they will be out phase next day and share a temp QT with me and my advice will put them back in sync with their partner.

I didn't have a clue what this meant but Grak said he was in love so figured I would try out my ability on him. I had no idea it would recruit from town to mafia as grak didn't say he was mafia in the QT for obvious reasons. I still don't really know how I was supposed to #Untangle. i won't know now till postgame when onegu can explain wtf i was supposed to do.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:22 GMT
#2570
On April 11 2019 23:22 Pandain wrote:
Oh so Kelsier (if he's telling the truth) converted Grack.


unintentionally yes
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:36 GMT
#2587
i like a sent lynch, and if i'm off the table I can just vote and AFK

my concern with using my ability on palmar is that if he is town it potentially phases him into a mafia so i'm not really sure.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:39 GMT
#2591
On April 11 2019 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
But then why didn't you win?


well they both died before grak phased back in.

also I have to find the "right" star crossed lover and grack was initially town so I picked the wrong one if i'm town aligned.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:40 GMT
#2594
hmm yeh I think they only "sync" if they were the star cross lovers so looks like jailing should be safe
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:48 GMT
#2600
On April 11 2019 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2019 23:36 KelsierSC wrote:
my concern with using my ability on palmar is that if he is town it potentially phases him into a mafia so i'm not really sure.

If palmar is mafia do you think he will become town?


no I read my role pm again and it looks like the "syncing" only occurs between the SCL's
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:54 GMT
#2606
why would I claim I converted him if I was a mafia converter?

moreover, does the effort I've put forth in this game make it likely I would come up with some elaborate star crossed, phase switching doppler effect random bullshit to explain everything rather than just pulling a sent/damdred and not saying anything.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 14:59 GMT
#2611
On April 11 2019 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk but the whole conversion stuff doesnt make sense anyways since it is just op if it is like yakuza who doesnt die. how is town supposed to remove a growing number of mafia?

kelsier what does your role pm actualyl say about conversion? i am sorry if you have claimed it already.


I was told there were 2 SCL's and i have to "uncross their stars"

I can choose one player per night and effectively jail them "no night actions from or against them" they will be out of phase with the town next day and go into a temp qt with me.
If they are the right star cross lover my "sage advice" will put them back in sync with their partner.

win with town, alt win con uncross the lovers.

so from the last line. it seems like they only get changed to the other alignment if they were a SCL.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 11 2019 15:01 GMT
#2612
if i'd asked what put in sync with meant then I wouldn't have just used it on Grak as I did. Pretty reckless in hindsight but w/e.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 05:23 GMT
#2653
I don't believe debts claim at all. Like no one else is something baguely nornal like cop. Plus he just afks and comes back with a back on eywa and Palmar. Considering it was fully established I was jailing Palmar today it's the worst check I can imagine. Just made up tpntrt and survive today.

## vote [UoN]Sentinel
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 05:23 GMT
#2654
Sleepy phone post but you baguely get the idea
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 13:10 GMT
#2666
On April 12 2019 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel what is your exact result from N1?


why are you pretending to believe his claim at all?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 13:19 GMT
#2668
On April 12 2019 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2019 22:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On April 12 2019 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel what is your exact result from N1?


why are you pretending to believe his claim at all?

Because i wont tell you yet.


well i almost give a shit but im just going to afk so have fun.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 17:36 GMT
#2702
I didn't use any night action on rayn . I'm not sure what he's doing
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 12 2019 17:41 GMT
#2703
I was going to try and figure things out but i dont really give a fuck about this game. Lynch me or dont . I'm afk.
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