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On April 07 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 03:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Holyflare what is your point about Damdred and factions explained for dummies.
All I see is you mentioning factions and then calling Damdred scum for thinking there could be factions. Which point? I've made several. My town role doesn't have a faction. It has a seemingly anti town win condition that's selfish but I win with town. No mention of any faction. Fact he is different to me is odd/scummy. He talked about there being at least 3 factions. That tells me his PM is either mafia or 3P. If he was town he has no real way to think that the "faction" he is is the only faction or one of multiple. He can only know if he's not town. Coupled with the fact he seems to be changing what he originally said the more people reveal about their roles it looks really scummy.
^ so why aren't you voting damdred pandain?
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He's made like 1-2 mediocre posts voting an easy target and that's it.
I don't like that you're voting him over somebody that's got a contradictory mindset (MZ) that you haven't commented on, nor do I like that you have voted him over Damdred who pretty much did exactly what you said mafia would do when you were talking about why rayn and TW were town.
Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup.
This is Damdred to a tee. No reads, buddying LS and rayn, doesn't really stop to think about whether announcing his faction or alignment or win condition would have consequences or ramifications (my PM specifically mentions there are even people out to get me, I think at least) and just basically fulfilling everything you're saying mafia would do.
I find it downright suspicious of all places to put a vote you choose Mig when you even acknowledge there are other wagons you haven't even decided to read yet and would be more apt to put a vote on.
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On April 07 2019 21:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 20:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's made like 1-2 mediocre posts voting an easy target and that's it.
This should probably concern you. It's textbook mafia.
No it shouldn't really concern me because he hasn't posted a single thing since and I have a case and other qualms with other people. I only have one vote and Mig isn't even active to defend or rebut anything.
It's not a big enough qualm to dislike Mig over what I've talked about and it certainly isn't enough to make him mafia. Do I want to hear more? Absolutely. Do I think it's a better use of my vote than someone more active with a contradictory thought process or a guy that's solely talked about setup in a way I thought was not town at all? No.
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On April 07 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote:
@Mocsta I'm never going to lynch someone based on Meta. Last game literally everyone was off about everyone, and it was in very large part to people being very confident they could "read" people based on playstyle. Furthermore, any competent player (as mafia or town) should be able to diversify their play. And palmar is definitely not stupid.
Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today.
Which posts do you like from Palmar that aren't just rehashes of previously talked about topics?
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On April 07 2019 21:28 Mocsta wrote:
HF
#603
My feedback: I don't share the strength of your conclusion as there is an 18hr timestamp difference between the two TMI posts. And we all know much can change in view within that window.
HOWEVER,
I personally dont see how MZ can scumread LS based off those posts - which are completely within the realm of town to make.
The thing is.. based on how fibonacci works.. the idea of an "expanding" mafia team actually is scarily theme-compliant.. So, the oddity I find is MZ crashing in on this "brilliance" to tie in TMI. In my mind it was just brilliant, not TMI. That does feel forced to me - which is something you expressed in your post.
If you are the SOLE scum on Day1, there is no reason to even throw the idea of this out there. So fuckn stupid to consider this could be TMI...
Right now with where the game is at, I have to weigh up a few things
(1) Deadline is 6am. So im always leaving a vote 8-10hrs before lynch
(2) I dont have a STRONG scum read. Just leans Im willing to go ahead with. Ya know. the YOLO life.
So im happy to admit my Day1 lynch is a crapshoot.
My lynch preferences are: Palmar, mig, and I could swing MZ. - as i explained, im not voting damdred this cycle
looking at the vote count (which seems to errors within), the other wagon is FF who hasnt given me any bad vibes.
I do think Palmar is scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1.
So its really mig/mz.
I get more tingles from mig - like i said before, its quite reminsicent of BC from the last game.
Bit of grandpa blasting and then retreating.
PS. MZ agrees with you on damdred
##unvote
##VoteL Mig
There are 2 minutes between his first accusation of TMI and his second accusation of TMI and in between those times LS had posted nothing setup related whatsoever. The only points MZ are referencing are therefore the points that he's highlighted and quoting. It's even more suspicious that he's waited 18 hours to essentially rehash his points that LS is having TMI.
My point, though, is that there are TWO MINUTES between saying that LS has TMI for saying there's 1 mafia AND saying there are mafia spread in several factions. TWO MINUTES. Not 18 hours.
There are two possible scenarios here. MZ thinks that LS has TMI about the first post. Okay, fine. He cannot simultaneously think the first post is TMI as well as the second post because they are contradictory standpoints.
The second scenario is that he thinks the multiple factions with mafia post is TMI in which case he cannot simultaneously think the first post is TMI as well as that second post because they are contradictory standpoints.
He then waits 18 hours, highlights no other posts, says there are SEVERAL TMI posts from LS. SEVERAL. LS has not posted anything else that can be construed as TMI since. It is therefore a lie, an extrapolation from an incorrect mindset just used to shovel shit towards LS because there is no coherent world where someone thinking through their scum reads makes a read like that.
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There are 2 minutes between his first accusation of TMI and his second accusation of TMI and in between those times LS had posted nothing setup related whatsoever.
Should be there are 2 minutes between his first accusation fo TMI and his second accusation of TMI and in between those accusations and his return 18 hours later LS had posted nothing setup related that could be construed as further TMI to add to MZ's original accusations.
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On April 07 2019 21:51 Mocsta wrote:
#720
I had to check could couldnt believe I missed that (18hr vs 2min).
Look its actually 34min, but point is clear. MZ had access to both quotes at he time of his first post.
ok. SO MY LAST hurdle for MZ is that I have low confidence to read him.. i mean, last game I thought he was lock scum at the end...
Are you confidently crapshooting with MZ, or actually think hes lock scum?
Aha, so it's even worse!!!
On April 07 2019 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 10:06 LightningStrike wrote:On April 06 2019 10:04 Holyflare wrote:
if this game is just a bunch of towns trying to find other towns to shoot and there's no actual mafia I'm going to be really sad Could be 1 mafia atm might grow to more like the series itself :o This is either brilliant or TMI Leaning towards TMI rn but we'll see
On April 07 2019 04:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 10:40 LightningStrike wrote:On April 06 2019 10:39 Damdred wrote:
This is not to say of course mafia xant be scattered amongst the groups.... This is likely true. More TMI LS? Also sidebar, ty to whoever posted that one punch man vid, watched the whole thing and enjoyed it.
12 minutes between the TMI posts, we're all wrong! :D
16 since last TMI post to accusations.
On April 07 2019 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Aight I'm caught up. People who are townreading LS right now, I want solid concrete reasons for it. In my opinion he has had several TMI posts.
We're not killing HF today, since most of this game played in end of the world I was hoping ppl would have learned that lesson.
He can't think there are several if there are:
A) Only two
B) Both standpoints are contradictory
Pretty good person to lynch if you ask me.
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His nickname is literally wafflemation
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On April 07 2019 22:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2019 22:25 Mocsta wrote:Palmar #731 First ctrl+F i found On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm. I noted your points on Damdred, and I just don't think that holds in a closed THEMED game on Day1. At worst he should be put on alert for a Day2 or 3 lynch. Sure, but it seems to me that this one doesn't involve killing people you claim to think are town. Also you said several, show me more please. I don't want to lynch Damdred because he has an alternate win con. I want to kill him because I can't understand the logic from a town point of view in how he deals with it, meaning I don't believe he's telling the truth.
On April 06 2019 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Where my Hindu/Arbic mathematicians man I looking for them since they are my friends!
On April 06 2019 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I really want to find my Arbic/Hindu mathematicians tbh it part of my role.
On April 06 2019 08:09 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like this is a 10 faction game or some shit and I'm just sitting here with something that is completely anti town despite actually being town
On April 06 2019 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are all kinda 3p arent we so cut the crap and wtf?
On April 06 2019 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 09:09 Holyflare wrote:On April 06 2019 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are all kinda 3p arent we so cut the crap and wtf? not at all I just win with town I win with other things too.
On April 06 2019 09:31 Damdred wrote:
Heres the thing, I know town obviously has sub factions in it that wants the other sub factions to die.
For instance rayn needs me to die, I need rayn to die.
But we both more than likely win with town, personally speaking I value a general win more than a personal win.
LS I do t want to ever die.
On April 06 2019 09:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 09:31 Damdred wrote:
Heres the thing, I know town obviously has sub factions in it that wants the other sub factions to die.
For instance rayn needs me to die, I need rayn to die.
But we both more than likely win with town, personally speaking I value a general win more than a personal win.
LS I do t want to ever die. ugh. Didn't really consider town wanting to kill town. that makes my role stuff actually super damn hard. xD
On April 06 2019 10:04 Holyflare wrote:
if this game is just a bunch of towns trying to find other towns to shoot and there's no actual mafia I'm going to be really sad
On April 06 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:
Also if we have three factions with part of town having sub win conditions that have to eliminate a third party why for example would Roman's show themselves so early
On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????
I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc. I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.
On April 06 2019 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????
I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc. I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm. Amen preacher brother I think we share this
On April 06 2019 11:42 Holyflare wrote:
I don't really understand the benefit of my role. It makes the game entirely unfun for multiple people for absolutely no benefit other than self gain when the fun of mafia is being right.
So either my role targets 3p or mafia or it's just flat out bad.
I reckon mafia have name snipers and fake claims so that they can draw out these people by suggesting races/names that those other people could be looking for.
Also, that new guy emryo or whatever has called me obvious mafia, agreed with me on someone being mafia but not updated the read on me, said rayn is obviously town (when all rayn has done is call me mafia without really giving a reason until after he said that post) and then called me mafia again. Shoot please.
Rayn/ff/me current town circle
I don't think damdred looks town at all, he seems to be adapting to the information people are putting forward and then twisting what he said to match it as if he was saying that all along. First it was 3 factions, then it was about wincons etc. Suspicious.
Grack still needs to die.
just the first 10 pages really there's probably so much more
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On April 07 2019 22:47 Vivax wrote:
I think MiG has the best odds of flipping mafia just for his entry post, and Damdred or LS are good candidates for lynch as well. To find out more about this multiple faction thingy mostly.
this is super tame vivax
are you just mafia?
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what the fuck does that even mean built up too quickly?
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I hope you realise Mig has more votes than MZ currently now and it's built up within 1 hour. How does that not make you more paranoid than a wagon on mz that built up in like 12+ hours on GOOD reasons that you haven't even commented on?
If there's 21 people in the game then how is 4 votes on MZ "too quickly"?????????????????????????
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there's plenty of opposition for mz
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On April 07 2019 23:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yo that LS TMI shit is absolutely contradictory, I was pretty shitfaced already when I wrote that and I thought I was onto something good. If y'all wanna lynch me for that though I get it.
Let me reread Damdred, I might have something worth talking about.
got 'em boys
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now if MZ is town we just get the people that shit all over the CONCRETE reasoning
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On April 07 2019 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
now if MZ is town we just get the people that shit all over the CONCRETE reasoning
actually works if he's mafia too
I'll get on it
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On April 08 2019 00:34 Mig wrote:
I am back, my apologies for the lack of activity. Been at a poker tournament for 2 days and I cant read mafia while I play. So I have not read anything past page23 so far.
Fun fact, in all the times I have played mafia I have never actually been lynched as town. So could potentially be a first! If I do here its my own fault for being gone for so long, although I have no idea why people would even think I am mafia from the only posts I have so far. Even from just a couple posts I clearly put some effort into actually thinking about the game and going through filters trying to figure out who the mafia are.
I should be here in and out through the deadline so I will get caught up with the thread before then. If anyone has any questions for me I will answer them.
Excuse.
I'm definitely town guys.
I'll do my best guys AMA.
URGH this is like quintessentially mafia and unashamedly so
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Just find mafia and scum reads and post about it instead? Don't get it.
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On April 08 2019 00:56 Mig wrote:
Hf did you ever answer why you thought FF was town?
Probably not. It was because he seemed as demotivated by his role as me and he seemed genuine when he said it. Subsequently I haven't hated any of his posts and he seems forthright.
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On April 08 2019 03:19 Eywa- wrote:
I win with town, but I can also win if I'm recruited by one of the scum factions... I think that's right................. Bleh.
So I think we already have some scum claims if I go back to read role discussions.
Don't read into the factions as anything alignment indicative whatsoever. I also don't know what you hope to achieve in learning from my death because you will just see me being able to win with town or being able to leave the game and get a selfish victory which is pointless.
You don't scum read me so don't vote me. Vote who you think is mafia.
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