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Mocsta
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On April 07 2019 20:25 disformation wrote: dont think im too fond of lynching plamar on a weekend tbh. maybe but first do the courtesy of opening damdred filter. - he has what... 5 posts? Disfo, you deserve better than the shit Palmar served you. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 07 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote: This is the post that Pandain +1d by the way. "I am town with win conditions" mz auto towns rayn for it even though like 8 other people have said the same thing pandain doesn't even realise and just blindly agrees This is my fault for not explaining, I should have explained more. It's not at all that they claimed they have win conditions which make me think rayne and TW are town. It's what they posted that demonstrates a town mentality. On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc. I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm. It's not the win condition part but rather the above bolded sentence. It strikes me as a townie who has an actual role that he's seriously thinking about and contemplating. I would actually agree that if you have an alternate win condition you're likely not mafia (but maybe! not certain at all!). The fact that this post seems very genuine makes me think he's telling the truth. On April 06 2019 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: i actually have a sneaking suspicion that a certain person mentioned in my role is mafia Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. But the ambiguity of this post and the way he wrote about it "i wonder if this guy in my role pm is mafia" seems a little bit out of left park for mafia. Typing it out makes it seem like a bit of a crapshoot but to be honest that's all day one anyway. All of these reads will change as days actually progress, but this is what I feel right now. This all is hard to explain but it's what I feel. I hope it made some sense to some people. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 06 2019 13:43 Mig wrote: Hi I am here VE shadiest to me so far. Comes in and feels the need to let us know he has reads but he isnt ready to post any of them yet. Asks slam a close to pointless question and just snap agrees with him, makes an early activity excuse and makes some easy setup speculation posts. So touches of guilty conscience posts + fake activity without actually looking for mafia. VE have enough people posted for you to share your reads yet? And if so what are they? Majority of the players have posted by now. @holyflare why is FF in your town circle? Nothing he has posted seems towny to me. Especially his post about LS always looking mafia to him but then flipping to saying I guess you are towny enough, feels off to me. Grack/sentinel/jockm/ksc/ff all useless so far. Slam I have no clue. disfos post about having to read his pm 5 times felt townie to me for some reason. Like other's said - an extremely safe post. Not bad in of itself but not good either. On April 06 2019 14:11 Mig wrote: Theres 15 pages of content, thats not enough for you to have any ideas? Its hard to find mafia day1 but there is plenty of content to at least have some ideas. Then this seemed extremely contradictory. Mig literally has done nothing this game except the above empty post and ask a couple people some questions. I think whenever someone is an obvious mindset contradiction like this it reeks of mafia. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 07 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote: Which point? I've made several. My town role doesn't have a faction. It has a seemingly anti town win condition that's selfish but I win with town. No mention of any faction. Fact he is different to me is odd/scummy. He talked about there being at least 3 factions. That tells me his PM is either mafia or 3P. If he was town he has no real way to think that the "faction" he is is the only faction or one of multiple. He can only know if he's not town. Coupled with the fact he seems to be changing what he originally said the more people reveal about their roles it looks really scummy. ^ so why aren't you voting damdred pandain? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
#703 - I can follow this. I thought about it more last night, and Migs posting reminded me a lot of bloodcobbler in the last game. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 07 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote: ^ so why aren't you voting damdred pandain? I don't agree that him talking about three factions means he must either be mafia or 3p. This is a themed game; it's very possible his role pm hints at there being a third party of some sort. And this doesn't mean that he's 3p, maybe he's a town with an alt-win condition of killing someone else. I'm a bit confused though, damdred are you claiming that you need to kill rayn and vice versa? , or was that just an example. If anything I think damdred is suspicious but not because of role and set-up talk, but rather because he's talked about absolutely nothing else for the whole two days. But I would still rather lynch mig. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I agree with first paragraph in full. I have an opinion on paragraph 2, but will leave this for damdred. para 3: Damdred hasnt posted since Early Day1. I dont think thats a fair position to take (nothing els for the whole two days) | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 07 2019 20:44 Mocsta wrote: Pandain #706 I agree with first paragraph in full. I have an opinion on paragraph 2, but will leave this for damdred. para 3: Damdred hasnt posted since Early Day1. I dont think thats a fair position to take (nothing els for the whole two days) Completely fair, I'll take it back. @HF what do you think about MiG? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
I don't like that you're voting him over somebody that's got a contradictory mindset (MZ) that you haven't commented on, nor do I like that you have voted him over Damdred who pretty much did exactly what you said mafia would do when you were talking about why rayn and TW were town. Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. This is Damdred to a tee. No reads, buddying LS and rayn, doesn't really stop to think about whether announcing his faction or alignment or win condition would have consequences or ramifications (my PM specifically mentions there are even people out to get me, I think at least) and just basically fulfilling everything you're saying mafia would do. I find it downright suspicious of all places to put a vote you choose Mig when you even acknowledge there are other wagons you haven't even decided to read yet and would be more apt to put a vote on. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On April 07 2019 20:28 Mocsta wrote: maybe but first do the courtesy of opening damdred filter. - he has what... 5 posts? Disfo, you deserve better than the shit Palmar served you. should have been a bit more specific: day 1 on a weekend. fair assesment. the thing is i didnt find palmars post to be horrible. just a bit bleh since that was already talked about a bit. so can he be scum? yeah. Am I feeling strong about that? not really. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
And note as Mocsta said he's been gone since early Day 1. I said I haven't read everyone yet and will only have time to read some. I don't feel compelled to completely read everything and all wagons before I place a vote, as long as I do read them before the day's end. If I always waited to read everyone before making a vote or posting, then I would never post except at the very very end and no one would like that. MZ is on my list, if you want to hear my thoughts you'll have to wait for half an hour or so. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On April 07 2019 20:52 Holyflare wrote: He's made like 1-2 mediocre posts voting an easy target and that's it. This should probably concern you. It's textbook mafia. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I liked the mz stuff before I will give that a read P.s. im not voting damdred this cycle full stop Like give him some respect. Hes not that bad hes going to alienate himself like this when mafia always have information advantage early game. Palmar / mig / possibly mz is a good wagon pool i feel Will reread now | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I actually agree it's suspicious, but I still want to wait an extra day. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
#603 My feedback: I don't share the strength of your conclusion as there is an 18hr timestamp difference between the two TMI posts. And we all know much can change in view within that window. HOWEVER, I personally dont see how MZ can scumread LS based off those posts - which are completely within the realm of town to make. The thing is.. based on how fibonacci works.. the idea of an "expanding" mafia team actually is scarily theme-compliant.. So, the oddity I find is MZ crashing in on this "brilliance" to tie in TMI. In my mind it was just brilliant, not TMI. That does feel forced to me - which is something you expressed in your post. If you are the SOLE scum on Day1, there is no reason to even throw the idea of this out there. So fuckn stupid to consider this could be TMI... Right now with where the game is at, I have to weigh up a few things (1) Deadline is 6am. So im always leaving a vote 8-10hrs before lynch (2) I dont have a STRONG scum read. Just leans Im willing to go ahead with. Ya know. the YOLO life. So im happy to admit my Day1 lynch is a crapshoot. My lynch preferences are: Palmar, mig, and I could swing MZ. - as i explained, im not voting damdred this cycle looking at the vote count (which seems to errors within), the other wagon is FF who hasnt given me any bad vibes. I do think Palmar is scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1. So its really mig/mz. I get more tingles from mig - like i said before, its quite reminsicent of BC from the last game. Bit of grandpa blasting and then retreating. PS. MZ agrees with you on damdred ##unvote ##VoteL Mig | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 07 2019 21:22 Pandain wrote: In my headActually I just re-read what you wrote and you're more concerned with his post rather than just being "lazy". I actually agree it's suspicious, but I still want to wait an extra day. HF is town, and Palmar has seen HF has a big boner for Damdred. Palmar seeking to make some posts decides to +1 but cant capitulate to HF, so needs to add some palmar word magic into the game. Thats the problem, Damdred filter is so small ... 5 posts, and palmar was still too lazy to critically evaluate. Instead, hes hiding behind his policy position - which I grant is fair to his value system. However, he needs to apply this EVENLY - which he does not. So much of what Palmar said can equally apply to others... like aside from HF not being interested in LS.. why is he off the hook?? Palmar *is* scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1, especially after the debacle of last game. My preference is 60% palmar vote, 25% mig vote, 15% mz vote. I voted mig... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 07 2019 21:00 Pandain wrote: This should probably concern you. It's textbook mafia. No it shouldn't really concern me because he hasn't posted a single thing since and I have a case and other qualms with other people. I only have one vote and Mig isn't even active to defend or rebut anything. It's not a big enough qualm to dislike Mig over what I've talked about and it certainly isn't enough to make him mafia. Do I want to hear more? Absolutely. Do I think it's a better use of my vote than someone more active with a contradictory thought process or a guy that's solely talked about setup in a way I thought was not town at all? No. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 07 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote: @Mocsta I'm never going to lynch someone based on Meta. Last game literally everyone was off about everyone, and it was in very large part to people being very confident they could "read" people based on playstyle. Furthermore, any competent player (as mafia or town) should be able to diversify their play. And palmar is definitely not stupid. Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today. Which posts do you like from Palmar that aren't just rehashes of previously talked about topics? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 07 2019 21:28 Mocsta wrote: HF #603 My feedback: I don't share the strength of your conclusion as there is an 18hr timestamp difference between the two TMI posts. And we all know much can change in view within that window. HOWEVER, I personally dont see how MZ can scumread LS based off those posts - which are completely within the realm of town to make. The thing is.. based on how fibonacci works.. the idea of an "expanding" mafia team actually is scarily theme-compliant.. So, the oddity I find is MZ crashing in on this "brilliance" to tie in TMI. In my mind it was just brilliant, not TMI. That does feel forced to me - which is something you expressed in your post. If you are the SOLE scum on Day1, there is no reason to even throw the idea of this out there. So fuckn stupid to consider this could be TMI... Right now with where the game is at, I have to weigh up a few things (1) Deadline is 6am. So im always leaving a vote 8-10hrs before lynch (2) I dont have a STRONG scum read. Just leans Im willing to go ahead with. Ya know. the YOLO life. So im happy to admit my Day1 lynch is a crapshoot. My lynch preferences are: Palmar, mig, and I could swing MZ. - as i explained, im not voting damdred this cycle looking at the vote count (which seems to errors within), the other wagon is FF who hasnt given me any bad vibes. I do think Palmar is scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1. So its really mig/mz. I get more tingles from mig - like i said before, its quite reminsicent of BC from the last game. Bit of grandpa blasting and then retreating. PS. MZ agrees with you on damdred ##unvote ##VoteL Mig There are 2 minutes between his first accusation of TMI and his second accusation of TMI and in between those times LS had posted nothing setup related whatsoever. The only points MZ are referencing are therefore the points that he's highlighted and quoting. It's even more suspicious that he's waited 18 hours to essentially rehash his points that LS is having TMI. My point, though, is that there are TWO MINUTES between saying that LS has TMI for saying there's 1 mafia AND saying there are mafia spread in several factions. TWO MINUTES. Not 18 hours. There are two possible scenarios here. MZ thinks that LS has TMI about the first post. Okay, fine. He cannot simultaneously think the first post is TMI as well as the second post because they are contradictory standpoints. The second scenario is that he thinks the multiple factions with mafia post is TMI in which case he cannot simultaneously think the first post is TMI as well as that second post because they are contradictory standpoints. He then waits 18 hours, highlights no other posts, says there are SEVERAL TMI posts from LS. SEVERAL. LS has not posted anything else that can be construed as TMI since. It is therefore a lie, an extrapolation from an incorrect mindset just used to shovel shit towards LS because there is no coherent world where someone thinking through their scum reads makes a read like that. | ||
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