On February 25 2019 11:26 Ace wrote: I'd play if you have the lowest expectations of commitment from me. I'm working on some projects irl (including a Mafia project!) so I won't be able to read the entire thread and pay attention like before.
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia?
lol who says he's not mafia?
is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia?
On March 02 2019 10:55 Chezinu wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Y u say this?
This is the most suspicious thing in the game.
nuh uh this is
On March 02 2019 10:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:41 Conversion wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:41 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] So you saying Trfel lied about being mafia earlier?
yeah we should lynch him for lying tbh
Hmm.
I'm gonna go with the assumption that you're just BSing. But I wanna know why you picked those specific players for you scum team?
I can get behind this case. Absolutely.
Holyflare,
Corporate has heard of your desires to be included in the case concerning Conversion. You are now lead investigator on the manner. The executive committee is proud of your high quality work that has been done in such a short amount of time. I am confident that you will perform well in this investigation.
Go forth! Chezinu Isunizehc
I don't think he's casing me unless I'm reading his quote wrong
I wonder where you read me having an ironclad case on you.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here?
Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation.
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
I haven't read the thread too carefully and I haven't looked at my PM yet but I think throwing suspicion around automatically gets you information unless he's actively prohibiting you from doing so
Thanks for telling us this oddly specific information that no one asked for?!?
Through page 21 and Grack and Conversion seem like flies on the wall, maybe snakes in the grass. Entered into the thread and didn't know how to continue
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Townish Iamp - Might not've said huge amount of content, but I feel his tone/snarky responses feel townie. I feel it, in my plums. Ticktock - He put in a fair amount of work trying to put forth some reads + quotes. Felt like a lot of work for mafia!TT that isn't known for tryharding, IIRC Bloodycobbler - Thought his no BS post about scum reading rsoultin/iamp came from a townie perspective that I disagree with rsoultin - Kinda meta analysis of tone, meh Tumblewood - Had one early post on MeapZ before it became the cool thing to do. Agreed with his post
Scummy Conversion - subpar entry followed by not a whole lot. Kind of feels like he doesn't know where to go next Meapak - Posted a lot of early fluff that felt unnecessary, but our scum reads align on conv/LS so I reserve the right to be wrong Acrofales - his one post was bitching about length and pages. Super easy entry without follow up that doesn't provide any information LS - He's definitely posted more than a few times but it's felt very targeted towards a few "chummy" people like Damdred. Jocmcplop - Was passive on a couple scum reads, throwing them out and seeing whether they'd stick.
Everyone else is floating somewhere in the middle. I'm gonna continue to catch up on the game, will be in and out for a few more hours
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
I haven't read the thread too carefully and I haven't looked at my PM yet but I think throwing suspicion around automatically gets you information unless he's actively prohibiting you from doing so
Thanks for telling us this oddly specific information that no one asked for?!?
On March 02 2019 23:21 Grackaroni wrote: I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
is that me? what's the point of hiding the name?
On March 02 2019 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.
Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?
And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him?
Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it.
MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write.
"Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia"
Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument.
"Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke."
I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs-
That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia.
Screaming agreement with you there. It's just I don't read the intention behind Conversion's posting as trying to make an argument that makes him not mafia? And since neither of us are him I don't know how we can know his intent for sure :/
ok this is cool, but if you're in agreement with Vivax, do you still want to lynch Chezinu over me? your trail is kind of soft here, unlike Vivax who is hard for "Conversion is mafia"
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
There's a ton of people doing this in my perspective, so could you go a little deeper in explaining why you picked sicklucker?
Still pushing for a Chez lynch.
I'm in agreement with Vivax in theory that someone using that type of joke post to say they're town is scummy. And disagree that's what you were doing. Don't have enough to go on to have a strong read on you.
I don't understand why we would ever lynch Chez in a game with lots of vigi KP. He's always this RP NAI character to me and wasting a lynch on someone that could easily be shot just seems wasteful tbh. There have been lots of people who have been more scummy than chez imo
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
only lawyers sign their emails
1) This is a forum post, not an email.
2) No. Lots of people do. Including me and many of my fellow computer scientists
3) Is this conversation going anywhere? What in gods name are you doing?
Accusing you of being a bad man, what does it look like
i love this post.
Great energy and cknsistent filter
Might have to vote Oats for mayor simply because of this response lol
On March 04 2019 04:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
On March 04 2019 05:52 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think Tumblewood is mafia.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
Also I disliked the list post he made.
I had the opposite reaction. I thought his train of thought was understandable and came from a Tumblewood perspective
On March 04 2019 04:05 Tumblewood wrote: big agree on acro. i didn't read your case but i'm guessing it's about the fact that he has 50 posts and like 2 of them are even remotely consequential
From what I remember, he did have opinions (often off kilter, yea) and doesn't really write cases so this felt like a natural reason for TW to scum read acro
After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role...
Brown Chez, always brown.
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
On March 03 2019 11:01 Conversion wrote: I’m going to bed, but @MrWiggles telling me I didn’t do fuck all but stray away my point on MZ.. what?
I was literally advocating going away from the point until Vivax kept pushing for answers? Are you on drugs?
I just read Conversion's filter and it's like 90% about MeapZ. He even claims he wants to "go away from that point" yet continues to harp on it afterwards. I've been waiting for him to say something about ANYONE else in the game and the only other name he's thought of mentioning is Oats
On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote: I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.
did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
also you found that Oats was good to agree with because he put one post with a bunch of votes that included me and said “not town?”
dude doesn't want to lynch oats because oats scumreads me like he (MZ) does, but doesn't push it any further. has 1 scum read that he doesn't pursue very hard, and then makes a giant fucking google docs post just tracking reads and painting it green/red
also oats reason for scumreading me was a giant fucking useless post of quoting a bunch of votes and going "not town" and he refuses to acknowledge that it's a pretty dumb reason to agree that someone is sharing your scumread based on that
I think you just described your filter.
On March 04 2019 23:39 Conversion wrote: I just read MZ's reply to me and 50% of him is just ad hominem about how I can't read or how I'm dumb
fun stuff and this is the shit you guys want me to catch up on lmao
On March 04 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote: also rereading MZ's "defense" against me he still doesn't explain why oats throwing shit against a wall is enough justification for him to drop him in his lynch list, instead of going like "the fuck is this shit you're throwing against a wall?" but whatever
I'd be down for a Conversion lynch. His filter is a vast expanse of vagueness outside of MZ. His read hasn't developed or changed. He hasn't even seemed interested in pursuing any other leads.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
Thoughts on Palmar then?
I liked his strong drive for policy lynching sentinel. I'm a bit concerned about his lack of any follow up since his pressure worked to get sentinel to read his PM and actually play a bit. I'm still cutting him for mayor as I sure as fuck aren't cutting to get myself killed by HF.
Is he who you think would make the best mayor, or just the mayor you want so you don't die?
If you could pick anybody other than yourself to be mayor, who would it be?
Right now? Holyflare if he didn't want me dead.
So HF wants you dead, but you're sure HF is town? If you are Town, isn't him wanting you dead a sign he might not be town? Explain why you think he's town if you're also town.
This post is basically asking Acro to explain Mafia 101: "just because someone is wrong about me doesn't make them mafia"
This is a bad post and seems to be asking this question for the sake of looking useful
On March 03 2019 11:01 Conversion wrote: I’m going to bed, but @MrWiggles telling me I didn’t do fuck all but stray away my point on MZ.. what?
I was literally advocating going away from the point until Vivax kept pushing for answers? Are you on drugs?
I just read Conversion's filter and it's like 90% about MeapZ. He even claims he wants to "go away from that point" yet continues to harp on it afterwards. I've been waiting for him to say something about ANYONE else in the game and the only other name he's thought of mentioning is Oats
On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote: I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.
did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”
if not I’d like to lynch him
On March 04 2019 23:31 Conversion wrote: re: MZ
On March 03 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
On March 03 2019 23:59 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
also you found that Oats was good to agree with because he put one post with a bunch of votes that included me and said “not town?”
dude doesn't want to lynch oats because oats scumreads me like he (MZ) does, but doesn't push it any further. has 1 scum read that he doesn't pursue very hard, and then makes a giant fucking google docs post just tracking reads and painting it green/red
also oats reason for scumreading me was a giant fucking useless post of quoting a bunch of votes and going "not town" and he refuses to acknowledge that it's a pretty dumb reason to agree that someone is sharing your scumread based on that
I think you just described your filter.
On March 04 2019 23:39 Conversion wrote: I just read MZ's reply to me and 50% of him is just ad hominem about how I can't read or how I'm dumb
fun stuff and this is the shit you guys want me to catch up on lmao
On March 04 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote: also rereading MZ's "defense" against me he still doesn't explain why oats throwing shit against a wall is enough justification for him to drop him in his lynch list, instead of going like "the fuck is this shit you're throwing against a wall?" but whatever
I'd be down for a Conversion lynch. His filter is a vast expanse of vagueness outside of MZ. His read hasn't developed or changed. He hasn't even seemed interested in pursuing any other leads.
this is such a garbage post that did nothing but parrot Vivax, Palmar, and MZ
are you serious?
Yea, I’m serious. I post things as I catch up, not my fault other people see the same thing I do. How about you stop calling other people garbage and do something useful? You love to complain yet do fuck all to actually progress the game.
You scumread MZ for having the same filter as you, which is at best hypocritical and at worst fishing for low hanging fruit as scum. If you’re Town please do anything else
On March 03 2019 11:01 Conversion wrote: I’m going to bed, but @MrWiggles telling me I didn’t do fuck all but stray away my point on MZ.. what?
I was literally advocating going away from the point until Vivax kept pushing for answers? Are you on drugs?
I just read Conversion's filter and it's like 90% about MeapZ. He even claims he wants to "go away from that point" yet continues to harp on it afterwards. I've been waiting for him to say something about ANYONE else in the game and the only other name he's thought of mentioning is Oats
On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote: I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.
did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”
if not I’d like to lynch him
On March 04 2019 23:31 Conversion wrote: re: MZ
On March 03 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
On March 03 2019 23:59 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 07:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches?
I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list.
what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it?
also you found that Oats was good to agree with because he put one post with a bunch of votes that included me and said “not town?”
dude doesn't want to lynch oats because oats scumreads me like he (MZ) does, but doesn't push it any further. has 1 scum read that he doesn't pursue very hard, and then makes a giant fucking google docs post just tracking reads and painting it green/red
also oats reason for scumreading me was a giant fucking useless post of quoting a bunch of votes and going "not town" and he refuses to acknowledge that it's a pretty dumb reason to agree that someone is sharing your scumread based on that
I think you just described your filter.
On March 04 2019 23:39 Conversion wrote: I just read MZ's reply to me and 50% of him is just ad hominem about how I can't read or how I'm dumb
fun stuff and this is the shit you guys want me to catch up on lmao
On March 04 2019 23:55 Conversion wrote: also rereading MZ's "defense" against me he still doesn't explain why oats throwing shit against a wall is enough justification for him to drop him in his lynch list, instead of going like "the fuck is this shit you're throwing against a wall?" but whatever
I'd be down for a Conversion lynch. His filter is a vast expanse of vagueness outside of MZ. His read hasn't developed or changed. He hasn't even seemed interested in pursuing any other leads.
this is such a garbage post that did nothing but parrot Vivax, Palmar, and MZ
are you serious?
Yea, I’m serious. I post things as I catch up, not my fault other people see the same thing I do. How about you stop calling other people garbage and do something useful? You love to complain yet do fuck all to actually progress the game.
You scumread MZ for having the same filter as you, which is at best hypocritical and at worst fishing for low hanging fruit as scum. If you’re Town please do anything else
aww is poor little darthfoley mad?
how about you actually catch up on the game instead of making shitty posts like this and being underwhelming?
Nah you’re just annoying as fuck. I have skimmed the last 5-8 pages on my break, but I’ll look at your Tubestock stuff when I get home from work.
On March 05 2019 04:35 Conversion wrote: sensitive little prick, honestly. you get mad if someone calls you out but you call people out indiscriminately
anyways failed my INTERVIEWS !!
I didn’t get mad or Koshi or anyone else calling me underwhelming. It’s just particularly ironic coming from you considering your filter up to recently can be summarized as
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
>> No. Not we should be voting HF or Iamp. We should choose HF or Iamp to vote and stop spreading them like tards.
Well yes, that's what I meant. I'm willing to consolidate on HF but Iamp is my first choice. At this point though I don't think Iamp is going to get the votes
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
lol wifom and you felt for it.
Idk I guess you could be right but the “disconnect” you describe is also how I’ve felt so far. There’s like 30 pages of new content every time I come to the thread and it’s hard to hone in on things when there’s 130 pages of content and 35 filters. At this point I just want D1 to be over
Jesus christ this went from bad to worse. Been at work all day and have like 30 pages to catch up on, but I should have some free time tonight and tomorrow as i'm off work.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
It’s basically just HF vs BH.
Okay, i'll try to read through EoD1 and see what I uncover
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH.
Okay, appreciate it @Acro/Grack etc. Will read through them and then BH/HF filter
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
It’s basically just HF vs BH.
Okay, i'll try to read through EoD1 and see what I uncover
Oh FOR FUCK'S SAKE. I had this all written out and then I closed the tab. Had to write it all again. I even fished through the memorydump from Chrome and recovered some pieces, but it was piecemeal and scattered
See spoiler for tech foibles. This took me longer than I thought, and I thought it would take a while. Anyway, here are the two main reasons there is no doubt that Holyflare is scum:
Exhibit A: the "locked in" waffle First, lets establish the timeline. Your honor, we need to establish that holyflare was on the scene!
00:57:
On March 05 2019 08:57 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Trfel
00:58:
On March 05 2019 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote blazinghand
On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:42 Trfel wrote: [quote]Show me the disconnects, that's simply not true. I already explained the two disconnects that exist. If you show me more I can explain them too, nothing even has merit except for those two.
@Holyflare, I'd take another look at Fecalfeast and Mocsta. Mocsta's play felt honest and genuine to me, admittedly he hasn't done much but I don't think that's mafia indicative. I know that Fecalfeast enjoys playing scum (heck he has one of the highest mafia winrates on the site) and he's relaxed and carefree as mafia, IIRC he's more relaxed and carefree and fun-loving as mafia than town. As mafia he plays to exist and survive, not to push stuff, and that's exactly what he is doing here. Otherwise, just please don't start a big fight between you and raynnpelikoneet or anyone else that causes massive tunnels.
Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened?
Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise.
You and Exo
You guys need to explain your scumread on me
But I don't have a scumread on you?
I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all.
Why are you voting to lynch me then?
I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked.
I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar.
00:59:
On March 05 2019 08:59 Conversion wrote: ##unvote ##vote trfel
01:00:
On March 05 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote: lol I didn't kill palmar
01:10:
On March 05 2019 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
So we've established beyond reasonable doubt that Holyflare was on the scene and, if he had wanted to, could have sent a PM to kita asking to kill BH instead of Palmar. Now, your honor, I submit that Holyflare never wanted to change. This does not make him scum (well, it does, but he can wifom his way out of this). What makes him scum is him prevaricating about changing.
Post-flip he gets pressured a bit and says:
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
But he was right there the whole time. He knew BH was not getting lynched. He even got PM'd by the hosts about it:
On March 06 2019 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of reads.
Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post.
Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
You keep bringing this up as if it means something to us. There's gonna be some host wifom here, but not a lot:
1. I know Kita and dandel and don't think they're dicks. If you PM'd them after the vote shenanigans and said you wanted to kill BH, I'll believe they'd allow it. So based on that I believe the PM was never sent. And the PM you will show us post-game is your role PM saying you win with scum.
2. If this were true, and Kita didn't let you change the target, why'd we have to drag it out of you? It would literally be the first thing out of mouth post-flip: "shit, tried to change it, but wasn't allowed to". It would even have made sense with your "I didn't kill Palmar" post. But you didn't say anything. You didn't even say anything when called out on your troll post. This "I tried to change it but couldn't" narrative only came wayyyyy later. In fact, your whole behavior around the flip is what makes me quite sure you're scum: first the troll post makes it clear you aren't worried about your decision. Then the flip and the feels there are that you are gloating. Not shocked at how wrong you were and killed a fellow town leader.
On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote: You guys knew what you were voting for :D
Go die, scum.
No, they're not dicks. I PMd them to lynch Palmar on the flight home. When the flip happened kita PMd me saying palmar is now the lynch. I probably could have PMd saying that I'd rather switch to BH and probably should have but:
A) i thought the flip was literally going to happen straight away
B) I was too tired to even care
C) I wanted to lynch palmar anyway
You don't have to care about these series of events but if what it takes is cheating to make people actually play the game and talk about scum reads that aren't me I'm not above doing it. There's no banlist and it's the last game ever.
Maybe then you'd actually have to produce some content that isn't rhetoric about lynching me.
On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that.
Also his slipperiness on why he did this. It's not just that he promised, as he now claims, he was previously saying he got caught off guard and couldn't change it in time.
Also pls vigi me
This is true and I will prove it, just after the game.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
Can we just fucking drop this and I will prove it to you after the game?
So we have Holyflare claiming he would absolutely 100% have changed his vote, but he couldn't. We have no evidence pointing to say that he couldn't. And we have Holyflare claiming that he didn't want to change his vote anyway. We also have him claiming he was too tired, despite not going to bed until at least 2 hours later:
On March 05 2019 10:50 Holyflare wrote: Stuff
So Holyflare is just throwing reasons around for why he ended up killing Palmar, and definitely can't keep is story straight. What is it? Was it locked in? Or did he not even try? Don't bother answering, as the answer doesn't really matter. The point of this exchange is that holyflare was waffling. And when he got caught wafffling, he started to mix up the story.
This is because the entire story was made up in the first place. Holyflare never had the slightest intent of switching to him, as exhibited by the timeline above. Holyflare was here and active, and was even trolling us about killing or not killing Palmar. Which brings us to exhibit B.
Exhibit B: the post-flip victory dance Your honor, I call my first witness Dr. P. S. Ychologist. Now bear with me, this will be a bit long. But at the end it will be demonstrated beyond a doubt that the motive for killing Palmar can only come from mafia.
Dr. Ychologist, what do you think of Holyflare's personality? "Well, I don't know the young man very well, but everything I have seen about him is that he suffers from the narcissistic egomaniac syndrome"
Ah. And what does this mean? "It means that he cannot fathom that the world does not revolve around him. He cannot be wrong, nor can it be that someone else is perhaps held in higher esteem at any point. I would like to add that this is being generous. If the young man is perchance not an egomaniac then there is absolutely no way we could possibly explain his behaviour as upright. Egomania is a serious disorder, but not necessarily mafia."
Okay, so you believe holyflare's mindset is that of a mafioso, despite his disorder, and not because of it. "That is correct."
Right. But why? "Well, let us imagine we are the young accused. It is almost flip time and the mayor vote cannot possibly elude him. He is feeling empowered, ya? He is the king of town, and he has found a scum Palmar."
Wait. As an egomaniac does he care that Palmar is scum? Or does he only care that Palmar was a competitor? "We have questioned the accused, and present the transcripts. There is no doubt about his claims: he says he believed the victim to be a mafioso"
On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
"When further pressed upon this matter he let there be no doubt he absolutely believed Palmar to be a mafioso at the time"
On March 06 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:39 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy.
Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy?
So there is no doubt this was not just done for the lolz? "No. Even though the lolz might have figured into the kill. He claims he was doing it in order to rid Liquidia of scum"
This seems like a very noble deed. But it is not true, is it? "Unfortunately not. To see why, we need to analyse the young man's behaviour when the deed was done. The accused was cocky. He was even --- what do the kids these days call it? --- trolling. Let us be charitable and attribute this to the young man being extremely certain he was murdering a mafioso."
On March 05 2019 08:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:42 Trfel wrote: [quote]Show me the disconnects, that's simply not true. I already explained the two disconnects that exist. If you show me more I can explain them too, nothing even has merit except for those two.
@Holyflare, I'd take another look at Fecalfeast and Mocsta. Mocsta's play felt honest and genuine to me, admittedly he hasn't done much but I don't think that's mafia indicative. I know that Fecalfeast enjoys playing scum (heck he has one of the highest mafia winrates on the site) and he's relaxed and carefree as mafia, IIRC he's more relaxed and carefree and fun-loving as mafia than town. As mafia he plays to exist and survive, not to push stuff, and that's exactly what he is doing here. Otherwise, just please don't start a big fight between you and raynnpelikoneet or anyone else that causes massive tunnels.
Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened?
Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise.
You and Exo
You guys need to explain your scumread on me
But I don't have a scumread on you?
I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all.
Why are you voting to lynch me then?
I'm not? Unless you mean voting Holyflare for mayor, because I trust him to do the right thing. And I kinda expect he won't kill you, but I probably shouldn't say that, it makes him more likely to. But you asked.
I've re-submitted my lynch to Palmar from Palmar.
On March 05 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote: lol I didn't kill palmar
Now let us skip forward to after young Palmar tragically bled out in the streets of Liquidia and his blood ran blue.
The accused responded with:
On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote: You guys knew what you were voting for :D
There is no surprise. No remorse. No self-doubt. Now this could have been explained from a deceipted townsman if he had claimed he was doing it, as they say 'for the lulz'. It would even fit his egomaniac personality to do it only for this reason. But that is not what the accused has claimed. So let us put ourselves in his shoes for a second: he has been voted 'the blade of Liquidia' and in front of him stands the evil Palmar, lord of scumsters united. He thrusts his blade straight into Palmar's heart and a spurt of blue blood streams out as Palmar yells, with his dying breath + Show Spoiler [I'm a cop you idiot] +
The instinctive reaction of an upright townie who truly believed that Palmar was scum, regardless of narcissism, would be shock, disbelief, remorse. Yet none of that is evident in the accused's reaction. He seems... self-satisfied"
Self-satisfied? "Yes. He doesn't blame himself. He immediately shifts the blame to "those who voted for him". Moreover, he is happy about it, as evidenced by his smiling laugh. This is not the look of a man devastated by his bad choice. This is the look of a man who has pulled off the caper of a century, yet has to somehow dissimulate it all as a big mistake."
Aha. So there is no way this could just be egomaniacal pride about having shiv'd Palmar for the lulz? "It is my informed opinion that that is not possible. He is fully aware that he looks guilty as all hell, yet is somehow still flippant about it:
On March 05 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote: not mafia tho
Combine this with his insistance that he was scumreading Palmar all game, and it just doesn't add up."
Thank you very much for your help, Dr. Ychologist.
The prosecution rests their case. We deem it shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that holyflare murdered Palmar with mafioso intentions, and we request the maximum penalty: death by lynching.
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
Okay, I read through this and I think exhibit B is thoroughly meh level. It feels like you were just framing everything post flip to fit the narrative that HF is scum. Like the whole "he had an evil smiley face!" thing... I know some people put stock into that with rsoultin or something, but I think exhibit B just proves that HF has a big ego, which we all already knew and seems pretty NAI to me.
What does intrigue me about exhibit A is the fact that HF has like three different explanations about why he lynched Palmar? If I understand correctly, HF basically said each of these at some point
1) If I would've known BH wasn't the lynch, I would've mayor lynched him over Palmar (unclear as to the reasoning on this one?) 2) I couldn't change my lynch even if I wanted to, which I just said I did would've wanted to, but I didn't want to because [insert reasons] 3) I definitely wanted to lynch Palmar because I didn't like the vaguness of his posts and because he didn't have legit scumreads until late into D1.
For me, this is the scummiest part of the whole Palmar mayor lynch thing. The story changing like three times to justify the lynch doesn't make sense to me from a town POV. Either you regret not making BH the mayor lynch, or you don't. I don't understand why there's the logical disconnect.
I was also of the mindset that HF was just baiting for reactions to the Palmar lynch plan, and that he would end up lynching someone else, but I didn't find it as offensively bad that he went through with it, as others did. It's the reasoning post mortem that is highly questionable.
Regarding BH's post, there's definitely a part of me that could see that play, IIRC, HF has debated his way out of a lynch while having a red check on him, so the idea that he would've been so scared of an auto lynch that it would force a fake claim isn't super convincing. I mean, hell, if he did what BH is claiming, he's STILL wiggling out of this lynch even with a fake vigi claim.
I read through HF's EoD1 and it wasn't great/very passive imo. He calls Trfel "scumish" in this post, and BH "scum," but provides more reasoning for Trfel than BH.
Scummish: Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Scum: Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Five minutes later, Trfel goes from scummish to "very innocent"
On March 05 2019 08:27 iamperfection wrote: holy go vote for blazinghand
I'm the first vote on blazinghand. I still think he should be the lynch over trfel. Trfel seems very innocent here.
Although I do note the convenient timing of his return...
I had an appointment I left for. I came back and I'm skipping dinner and I'm skipping hanging out with a friend to play this game and try and survive. I can't skip my commitments to play mafia, I was already late because I was playing mafia too long, it literally would not have been possible for me to play more and still make my appointment.
Sorry for prioritizing real life and my personal well-being over a game.
I'd rather you didn't show up and just had fun with your friends my dude :D
Okay maybe you've sold me on the weird smiley face thing from Exhibit B. I don't remember HF ever being an emoticon person, especially with weird comments like this lol
On March 05 2019 08:27 iamperfection wrote: holy go vote for blazinghand
I'm the first vote on blazinghand. I still think he should be the lynch over trfel. Trfel seems very innocent here.
Although I do note the convenient timing of his return...
I had an appointment I left for. I came back and I'm skipping dinner and I'm skipping hanging out with a friend to play this game and try and survive. I can't skip my commitments to play mafia, I was already late because I was playing mafia too long, it literally would not have been possible for me to play more and still make my appointment.
Sorry for prioritizing real life and my personal well-being over a game.
I also don't actually know why you're up for lynch other than a minimal amount of things in your filter and people circle jerking into it.
So Trfel has gone from "scummish w/ reasons" to "pretty innocent" to "idk why you're up for lynch, even though I just talked about stuff in your filter that I found scummy." This progression took place over the course of 15 minutes
He ends the day calling ExO mafia for making the same read I made on Trfel EoD
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
Okay, you're back to mafia again :D
may even clinch this mayor lynch from palmar
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I haven't looked into BH yet, but HF's play EoD would make a whole lot more sense if he and BH are scum together. I guess his play could also make sense if he's scum and Trfel vs. BH was TvT; I just don't see how it makes sense if HF is town and genuinely believed that Trfel was innocent and that BH was scum.
Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was?
Also is there some 3p role that actively tries to get themselves killed for WinCon because i'm reading through BH's filter and that currently makes the most sense to me?
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent.
BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though. You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
I thought ExO just messed up his syntax and that he was talking about Trfel being town who gave up. If he was actually talking about BH then fair play and I rescind that point
On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote: 151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?
I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another.
With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar.
Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me.
Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM.
with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel.
with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9:
On March 08 2019 05:06 darthfoley wrote: Can people read my analysis of HF's EoD1 on the previous page? Does anyone truly believe his read progression on Trfel was legit? Or that he gave a single fuck about who the lynch was?
It's based on the false premise that Truffle was the lynch until seconds from the end. So...yeah.
Damn it, I worked hard on that post. Don't tear me down for being factually incorrect!
So he now calls someone scum for agreeing with him that Trfel is likely town. He does absolutely nothing to push the lynch towards BH even though it was a close vote, he classifies BH as scummier than Trfel, AND has this insane 15 read progression on Trfel all the while not giving a fuck if he gets lynched. To top it all off, he then scum reads ExO for a similar read progression???????
I have a lot more on Trfel because it was a narrative as I was writing it and the two equivalences between him and BH are different because the metrics to read them are quite different. I read through Trfel's filter and I found a really small glimmer that his read on Oats and then blindly following what I said about Oats' meta was so placid and easy to achieve that I don't think someone that was mafia would do that because they would feel too self conscious. Then as I was reading through his filter some more (since it was a narrative whilst I was essentially reading his filter) I saw his "oats was a pressure vote" post and immediately felt like it was off. Trfel coming back at deadline seemed completely lost, confused, didn't know what was going on and his whole tone felt completely innocent.
BH was just doing completely BH things at deadline that I expect from him in any mafia game, which is nothing but pander to emotions and provide excuses. I don't know what more you wanted me to write on BH who only had minimal posts at that point though.
You have misread the Exo post because that's not what it says at all. He says that Blazinghand, the person that he voted to lynch, looked like an innocent town guy campaigning for a better town. He lynched him while saying this. This is unequivocally scummy.
I am pretty sure Trfel only just came back like 10 minutes before deadline or something too. Wasn't that much time. I thought he was scummy then and I told him as much when he said "hf save me" and I just said "no". Then he looked increasingly more innocent as the time ticked down. I was just getting home from flying back from Amsterdam though, so although I was here I wasn't particularly here.
It's completely different to see now but there was no vote count at deadline or a while before it (it's been edited since, but shouldn't have been) because the mods were off doing something else so nobody had any idea what the vote count was and I honestly thought it was more secure. There was also conversion and Vivax that saved BH essentially right at the last minute (but nobody would know that because the vote count came 20 minutes after deadline).
I was also more concerned with becoming mayor and thought BH was a really secure lynch tbh.
Hmmm, yea in retrospect that VC was up in the air and BH was going to be the lynch until basically 1 min before deadline. So I'm going to have to go back to the drawing board.
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
When you get a chance, can you explain if the bolded sentence was about Trfel or BH? And if it was about BH, why did you vote for him?
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
When you get a chance, can you explain if the bolded sentence was about Trfel or BH? And if it was about BH, why did you vote for him?
On March 05 2019 08:53 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
I was talking about trfel — when he said “he doesn’t look town at al”l I assumed he was talking about trfel—I responded with my opinion on trfel
That's what I assumed, but HF claimed it was about BH and has been using it as a reason to scum read you
Maybe i'm just being a dumbass but I haven't seen and still don't see any mafia agenda from BH. Like you could say he's trying to survive now, but literally anyone in his position would do the same. D1 he was literally the opposite and trying to martyr. Sure it could be some epic WIFOM play but I think it's more likely he saw the thread balloon to 100+ pages in a day and, like myself, said "fuck this shit, i'm out" but didn't want to ruin the game.
On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_-
How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read?
IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read.
On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
Jesus fuck.
You sound like a disappointed and angry dad
in all seriousness, are you saying she should be the lynch?
On March 08 2019 06:45 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood why have you gone from me being mafia to not saying a word about me?
Why have you gone from BH is mafia to voting Trfel on day 1?
Why have you not even been mentioning or talking about voting him today?
1. that was the only dirt i have on you and i’m not feeling that strongly about it anymore 2. i don’t remember. you quoted a post where trfel made a bad catch-up post that i didn’t like, and that was definitely part of it. 3. i forgot why i scumread him. though you also quoted a post i made about him and now i definitely favor lynching him over you. actually, in response to both the first and third questions, this lynch makes me antsy because it seems like everyone took it as a foregone conclusion that one of you two would die today. the votes have been relatively stagnant and no other wagons are really being taken seriously. seems like mafia just letting two town wagons go at it. that’s why i’m still on ace for now
Gun to your head you have to pick one: BH or HF dies. Who?
BH i only dislike HF for winning mayor with no mafia opposition and somewhat for killing palmar. his posting has not been super mafia (though i am not great at reading him) BH i dislike for playing jester until D1 deadline and then deciding he wants to survive as soon as we get to the next day
You do know that his filter is like 30 pages right? I call it the Shapelog effect
On March 08 2019 08:19 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I'd lynch either of those guys tho
I'm voting for scum. I have repeatedly given my reasons for not wanting to lynch HF and I have no idea which way to read you, people martyr both as town and scum and your play since then has been 50/50. If the jubjubs are gonna lynch between you and HF I honestly don't care which of you goes. My vote however is gonna be on the people I'm very confident are scum.
Lol if you're confident HF is town, why aren't you trying to save him by voting for the person you can't read? Like in theory that's at least a better opportunity of lynching scum than some "i told you so!" vote on Wiggles that isn't getting off the ground
On March 08 2019 08:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fucking acro vs rayn has literally taken up 40 or 50 pages at this point. You two need to shut the fuck up about each other because it is incredibly hard to catch up 80 pages and have half of it be you two in a pissing match.
/rant
I am absolutely down with a wiggles lynch.
wiggles not getting lynched don't waste your vote.
And what, vote between two people I feel are equally likely to be town? My vote goes on scum.
Wait you think that BH and HF are equally likely to be town when you just claimed you have no idea how to read BH? What sense does that make?
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
Dude all you've claimed on BH is that you can't read him. Since when does that equate to him being town?
Also yea, considering the lack of thread interest my fear is that this it TvT
i had surgery on my arm today and currently resemble a one armed cyborg. will be back tomorrow if mafia makes the mistake of keeping this modern Hercule Poirot alive
On March 10 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote: Holyflare was a great shot even after the night kills. So what BC pushed for him and ended up being scum? Do you think scum never pushes for other scum?
Given the same exact scenario I would do it again. I refuse to feel bad about shooting someone who fake claimed, then lied and suggested he never fake claimed.
Okay maybe I’m just stupid. That makes sense and I can see why yous think BC would bus. His play/anger seemed over the top 24/7 and def could’ve been distancing
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
This is what I hate about the whole "well we gotta consolidate on lynch" mindset bc here we have a guy who says he thinks BH is just town giving up but then he votes him bc "there's no other choice"
On March 08 2019 05:36 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: Blazinghand
Then somehow, despite reading BH as green, he gets to "I'd rather lynch BH than HF" like why would you vote for someone you're townreading.
Exo has already clarified this multiple times that the bolded sentence “he” refers to Trfel rather than BH. The Syntax is confusing but we’ve been through this already. Exo wasn’t inconsistent in the least
Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 13 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
On March 13 2019 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Either tube or chez
On March 13 2019 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 04:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?
DF
I think of those three DF is the most likely to be red.
You guys both buy FF's claim?
Dat one hour read progression
Nah it's consistent with his reads of you/TS/Chez as quoted.
On March 13 2019 08:04 Vivax wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y'all are annoyed with me for low activity but that's just the way the cookie has crumbled.Don't expect cases cuz I'm on one handed mobile
I don't understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK'd. I'm pretty sure he's some old
FULL STOP THIS IS TOO ANNOYING
So you're telling me you wrote this on a phone, one handed.
You put in spaces after the commas, you capitalize everything correctly. You even quote a goddamn post.
DF is lying guys. There is no human being on this earth patient enough to put up with all that shit one handed. Hell, I've tried retyping this on a computer with my right hand and by the time I stopped, 2:55 had passed.
If df actually did what he claimed to have done, then he'd probably have needed more time than that. And on top of it, he'd have gone insane by the time he finished.
Just try it out for yourself. Also bring a volunteer in to do it on mobile.
On March 13 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 13 2019 12:11 Vivax wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles, I have meditated upon the fact that so far this game, one role can have multiple variations, as evidenced by Palmars flip. Our lord and saviour kitaman27 has made sure that we could not fully understand his creation in order to be amused by the dabbling of confused heretics.
I have therefore decided to temporarily accept Acrofales claim that he is only allowed to use his gun on silent individuals. I have also decided to accept that the Brown Bomber could use a different type of explosive than demolitions expert Fecalfeast, although the name of the latter suggests that he might be a contender for the pseudonym of Brown Bomber.
Upon further inspection of the Brown Bombers manifest, I have also not been able to notice maliciousness, rather than a constant state of confusion with intermittent periods of normality. Even noticing my name in it in a manner that looked like a death threat, I have attributed it to the belief that his intention was not to kill me for believing I was a killer in the night, but rather in order to rank up in the OP.
Your scrutiny of the claims that the brown bomber being alive is only due to the fact that he himself is a killer in the night is convincing me to campaign to delay his execution. My interest for today's execution is instead slowly shifting to a smelly pipe I have for far too long endured. I have been wondering where this foul odor that has been plaguing the town was coming from, and have realized that it smelled like my shoes after a long day of trekking.
Upon gazing into the pipe and being greeted by pitch black darkness, I was also assailed by a foul smell of rotting flesh and old socks. I suspect the nightly disappearances are being hoarded in there by a vile creature that I had the liberty of coining tubesock.
Did you type this with one hand? By George, this man is on to something!
On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly
How OMGUS works: When you OMGUS you don't notice it's OMGUS. You go into the players filter cause fuck him, he attacked you and you're town, find scummy shit, believe you found scummy shit, and post that instead. Then everyone calls your points bad regardless of their validity cause OMGUS, he attacked you first.
Second, you don't POE anyone by having 2 nulls right there. It's just your scummy reason and the only reason he's red for you is that a bunch of townies wanted him dead.
I don’t know if The House Of Brown would dishonor his House by breaking the town seal, but there’s always a chance. And now claiming vet in a game with lots of KP flying around; it very well could be mafia vet.
On the other hand, Tubesock doesn’t have town seals, and has been even more under the radar than me. Vivax made a good point in that list post. It feels jumbled and rando explanations cobbled together. Someone also made a point earlier about how if TS were town, mafia would’ve tried to use him as lynch bait by now, which hasn’t happened. More town points to whoever said that.
Lynch TS and then move on to Acro for pushing me today after claiming cig and not dying
On March 14 2019 04:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The lack of anyone coming in to support their votes on tubesock aside from maybe LS is not giving me good feels.
His reads post is just a big fluffed up post screaming scum. And I already picked out two reads from them that had no real basis. Why are you and jock null and DF is reddish bcuz PoE? These aren't mistakes they are just fake reads.
I think MZ and Jock have been doing stuff. You can’t say the same thing about DF. But you’re right they are shallow reads and it wouldn’t take much for me to begin thinking they’re scum.
So what's the reason you thought DF was scum.
POE and he hasn’t been doing stuff. Like I said.
If you’ll notice the other two names are just above his but in black. And there’s a space delineator between them and townreads. I believe the theory that there are 5 mafia left, so of those I think DF is less towny than them.
Pretty deep read huh?
What do you think of ExO? You didn’t include him I. Your list post at all.
Also patiently waiting for this wagon to actually start on me. Plenty of threats swirling without anyone ready to take action. When it happens, we can lynch MZ for agreeing with a Acro and advertising that he’s down with killing me, but is putting in no leg work himself. Optimal variety of options!
I don’t think those list posts are meta conclusive at all lol. They all look relatively similar. I moreso agree with Vivax that the list itself looked randomly thrown together and inauthentic. I’m also having a really hard time believing the Town was given two veteran roles with the exact same role PM. Why put in two roles that can CC each other and both be right? That sounds particularly anti town.
My swagger shot mafia pick is LS though. The dude has been active as fuck yet I always forget he’s in the game. Like I view him more as a thread moderator than a player. Not a lynch for today but I’m intrigued for tomorrow.
The only thing worthwhile in the Acro case on Onegu is his absolute insistence that no one gets any town cred from lynching Sentinel. That was overplayed and Onegu has seemed pretty chill in this game outside of those posts
On March 14 2019 04:57 darthfoley wrote: Also patiently waiting for this wagon to actually start on me. Plenty of threats swirling without anyone ready to take action. When it happens, we can lynch MZ for agreeing with a Acro and advertising that he’s down with killing me, but is putting in no leg work himself. Optimal variety of options!
I don’t think those list posts are meta conclusive at all lol. They all look relatively similar. I moreso agree with Vivax that the list itself looked randomly thrown together and inauthentic. I’m also having a really hard time believing the Town was given two veteran roles with the exact same role PM. Why put in two roles that can CC each other and both be right? That sounds particularly anti town.
My swagger shot mafia pick is LS though. The dude has been active as fuck yet I always forget he’s in the game. Like I view him more as a thread moderator than a player. Not a lynch for today but I’m intrigued for tomorrow.
You always had a hard on for me since Cell Millionaire lol.... But you also have to realized I actually had a personal record in terms of filter size in a single game for myself :o Also I never was a thread monitor per say I was more like a sheep?
Yea I’m never gonna fully recover from that one. It’s also one of the reasons I don’t completely buy the Chez town seal. I’ve been burned before.
On March 14 2019 05:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: DF what makes acro and Pandain different? They both claimed vig and didn't die
Uh, for one I had scummy feelings of Acro early in the game when I paid most attention and was active. He’s still around after claiming, being a relatively big name. Two, I think Pandain claim is more likely townie cuz of host WIFOM and I felt like his posting style seems straightforward without an agenda
On March 14 2019 08:36 Vivax wrote: Alright, next guess, with a decent amount of tinfoil in it, especially on jock and acrofales.
Oats, TS, DF, Rels, Jock, and one of MZ or Onegu for last, not sure for mafia
Acrofales for serial killer
If this is correct, mafia is just aiming to eliminate townies until they can get rid of acrofales through a lynch and acrofales needs to kill mafia tonight.
If you think TS is scum, why don't you think scum tried to save him?
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
Didn’t Afro do some analysis a few pages ago showing it was?
Right, there it was. I guess in theory Onegu could claim Survivor as scum if he really though he was locked in to be lynched. I just doubt that he would be so desperate to do it during the night(???). Plus I was townreading him and I think a few others were so it definitely wasn’t set in stone
If mocsta was scum trying to end the game he would’ve actually claimed a check on me rather than say “I didn’t check him I just know he’s scum.” So he isn’t scum, he’s just wrong
Mocsta pushing me saying I have zero redeeming factors after calling my filter “fine, logical and makes sense” the whole game???
You’re really trying to lynch me in LYLO for being wrong one more time than most of the town? You keep saying I have muppet votes but I don’t know what that means.
I thought you were claiming parody cop but you hadn’t actually checked me. Now you’re implying you DID check me. If you’re actually claiming to have checked me and still claiming a red check then you’re scum.
Pull your head outta your buttcheeks if you’re actually cop
My swag scum read that obs has to give me credit for is that LS and Rels are both mafia, and Rels masoned his scum buddy. You heard it here first, folks
On March 16 2019 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: Ya guys DF just claimed scum with that reaction like if he is town and gotten the vt pm he should of just claimed that he was the unaware miller but his first reaction is to call him scum trying to win the game?
I first called him town being stupid. I forgot millers exist because I havent played mafia in a year. I guess I could be a miller but i still don't think Mocsta actually checked me
On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
Lol pandain prob assumes he is dead
##unvote Vote: oatsmaster
Good shit acro Night
YOU DONT HAVE A RED CHECK DO YOU MOCSTA
Lol obviously not. I just don't understand his gameplan right now if he were mafia so he must be town.
On March 16 2019 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: Ya guys DF just claimed scum with that reaction like if he is town and gotten the vt pm he should of just claimed that he was the unaware miller but his first reaction is to call him scum trying to win the game?
I first called him town being stupid. I forgot millers exist because I havent played mafia in a year. I guess I could be a miller but i still don't think Mocsta actually checked me
I would think you would remember Millers exist honestly because they are in the op.....
I don't think Oats is mafia, and I find it suspect that all of a sudden people have completely forgotten about TS. He was looking like a lynch candidate yesterday, being pushed by Vivax, then Vivax dies and everyone throws him off the table.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if scum team was like TS/LS/Rels/ MZ/ someone else
On March 16 2019 01:52 LightningStrike wrote: df if you seriously think I am scum do you really think I would break my own personal record for most posts for me in a single game as scum? I historically struggle with posting as scum honestly because of having TMI thus I think more about my posts. Tina also townread me on her death and so did Damdred unless you don't think they were right try again.
Lol you've mentioned over and over that this is the last TL game on mafia. You've broken meta before, and you've posted a lot but managed to say nothing important at the same time. Shapelog was very good at doing this.
On March 16 2019 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually i have the growing feeling that wriggles is mafia which makes me look terrible but whateve, I’m gonna need a computer to check though but like with his talkshow thing, he’s basically avoided pushing anything or taking any hard stances I believe
You’re right in the sense that I hate trying to read RP’ing players and I’ve probably read less than half of what he’s posted. So much unnecessary fluff. Same reason why I can almost never read chez or Slam, though Slam has been more normal and less CHUPAZI!!! This game
On March 16 2019 05:19 Pandain wrote: I mean he claimed to check someone and listed previous checks what else are you looking for lol
He also said it was a “ploy”, “didn’t need to check him he’s just scum” about DF and claimed he checked FF for a post then back to DF.
And there’s the points you brought up concerning balance. I’d like to add that in the world where we did have three cops, I’m shocked that not a single Miller has flipped.
Correct, unless we're insanely unlucky and they're all still around.
On March 16 2019 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wait it is lylo if Onegu's claim is true because it's 8-5-1 assuming 7 mafias in this game I dumb telled on accident >.<
On March 16 2019 04:46 Pandain wrote: Mocsta is almost certainly bullshiting about his claim, making him almost certainly mafia
Nothing about his claim makes sense.
1. He claimed parity cop last night already, without revealing his checks. If he was really cop and was afraid to get shot, he almost certainly would have revealed his checks right before day. Not doing this shows he either isn't afraid of getting shot, or he doesn't care about revealing his information, neither of which makes sense if he's actually cop. 2. None of his checks make sense. Let's see who he says a. Koshi night one - Makes no sense. Mocsta had a strong town read on Koshi. Why would you check someone you have a town read on, especially when they were not posting at all like Koshi night one? + Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die.
Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel.
My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies.
rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS
Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back.
I absolutely agree on that.
You/acro/koshi/jock/HF are pretty much my only town reads.
Note this is 30 minutes before day 2, so as recent that night as you can get
b. Holyflare night two - Same deal here, Mocsta thought he was town. See spoilers below. Not only that, Mocsta was scumreading people like Exo and Oats. Like the last night, this filter makes no sense.
I will also say this is the "lazy" choice for a fakeclaim check night two, as I bet with all the drama most people would have checked him if not the night before. However based on Mocsta's filter? No way.
On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.
Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline.
they are voting you because you are an internet narcissist.
You have 10% of the page count for what? Congrats, you won the last mayor, and in my opinion wrecked town atmosphere.
I dont think you are scum, I actually thought you were pretty sincere before you when you said you were burnt out. Makes sense, its a bucket load of effort to maintain.
Acro has been putting it in equally too you know.
I really think you are both town.
I really want damdred lynched. or someone from the lurker pool Or vivax, i dont care at this point.
I invested most of my energy into Ace and for what. fuckn 3P. sigh.
On March 08 2019 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Hf I feel like so much of what you've done is based on whether people are defending you or what their reads of the unflipped BH are.
yep and thats what most townies do under pressure
focus on anything to do with them.
c. Ticktock night three - Alright, maybe, in that he was at least scumming him before.
However, it is also convenient that they just all happen to be dead as well. And there's no way town had three cops, that's way way way too imbalanced. Can you imagine if the cops did not die day 1? This game would have been over from long before.
However, the final nail in the coffin is that Mocsta rescinded his vote on DF. We are in a possible lylo situation right now depending on KP and how many mafia there are. Why would a parity cop who just checked someone who is red ever in a million years not keep pushing for his red check? Makes absolutely no sense if he's telling the truth.
If we actually are in a lylo situation, it would be a perfect time for mafia to fake claim because they just need to get one person lynched. The whole circumstances surrounding Mocsta are super sketchy, shady, and scummy, and he's practically mafia in my book now.
These circumstances also makes darthfoley a strong town in my book. If he is town, I'm not surprised that mafia would fakeclaim check him considering there is tons of suspicion on him.
In short, he's contradictory, his "checks" don't make sense, and he isn't playing like someone who just checked scum.
Thank you. This is exactly what is bothering me about Mocsta's claim, and why I wanted him to make a clear claim. I also wanted to check his reads on his check targets, so this is sparing me the effort lol
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
Fwiw this isn’t how I pictured you either will watch it soon
On March 16 2019 23:54 Mocsta wrote: I agree with the onegu reasoning - that survivor is unlikely
I just find it hard to accept lynching a guy with 10% chance to flip survivor when theres at least another 3 scummers
Ironically i forgot i even scum read u. I was focused on pandain. I think exo and mz both look real shit for lack of presence this cycle
Goijg to bed now.
The fact that MZ had a lot of heat on him D1, by good players who we have since confirmed Town, yet has stayed under the radar and has been just active enough to avoid a wagon starting... I think he’s likely to flip scum.
What do you remember about his play from the last two cycles? For me, my perception is that he’s pretty much parked his ass behind “I’ll sheep you Acro, I believe in you!!” Without actually committing to anything. He did this about me, where he’s said that he’s willing to sheep acro’s read on me. It feels TMI in a sense: he doesn’t seem worried AT ALL that Acro has been kept alive day after day after a vigi claim. No tin foil, no second guessing. No assuming Acro could be wrong (and hence, kept alive). He’s left himself a lot of wide open doors on what we assume is LYLO, except for this one. Then there is the fact that he’s been quite inactive to boot.
I mean, read the last two pages of his filter. Give me the creeps
On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
On March 15 2019 00:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My plan at this point is to sheep the shit out of acros reads whether he lives tonight or not. His deconstruction of the chez thing shows a better understanding of this game than anyone else so far.
The bolded reads very weird to me. It seems like that random bit of TMI that scum often include, but town wouldn't think about. Feels so unnecessary to point out. Like it gives him an out to do nothing regardless of NKs.
On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro.
On March 15 2019 13:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm fully prepared to sheep acro. Those NKs were a bit surprising but I'm still comfortable with what acro is saying. I am finally going home tomorrow so I'll at last be able to be more active for the last half of the day.
We get it dude, you have a hard on for Acro. What I simply can't buy is his unwavering support of Acro. Mind you, Acro has claimed lurker vig like three days ago, been pretty much as consistently wrong as everyone so far (Sentinel gives a modicum of credit, but scum were probably unaware of his relation to them) and yet MZ doesn't entertain the idea that 1) Acro could be 3p or scum OR 2) Acro is being kept alive because he's largely wrong on his reads. This unwavering support strikes me as odd and completely opposite to everyone else right now who wavering, waffling, double checking things, etc. He claims the NKs were "surprising" but doesn't explain why he thinks that, how they are surprising, and what they mean for the game at large.
MZ is scum so we should be lynching him over Oats. I can’t wait for the flame post game if we mislynch and MZ survives after being the first person of interest in a 400-500 page thread lol
Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole tunneling but the lack of genuine conversation after I cased MZ and hyperfocus on Oats/Wiggles makes me think I’ve got it
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning.
TBH there is a very high chance ExO is scum just lurking around. I'm sure he'll get back just in time to vote too Slam's votes last EOD were pretty townie though, especially if TS is scum
This first sentence is where I’m starting to head as well. I townread ExO earlier for not giving a shit but the fact that he hasn’t done anything in a probable LYLO cycle makes him much more likely to be scum at this point. Perfect for when he drops his vote at :59
On March 17 2019 05:48 darthfoley wrote: Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole tunneling but the lack of genuine conversation after I cased MZ and hyperfocus on Oats/Wiggles makes me think I’ve got it
You may have got it, we aren’t lynching mz today to vote for wriggles, the guy mz is defending
So where was this lynch wiggles gusto like a week ago oats? You still haven't talked about that. And now that wiggles has actually contributed you want to kill him? It just does not add up.
I wanted to lynch bh like this a week ago.
I’m not sure how to make you happy mz. I do nothing I’m mafia, I do something I’m mafia..
On March 17 2019 06:55 ExO_ wrote: Going to read oats -- unless I'm very convinced I'm sheeping acro and voting oats. However I still think Onegu is a lair is scum and should be lynched.
On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
On March 15 2019 00:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My plan at this point is to sheep the shit out of acros reads whether he lives tonight or not. His deconstruction of the chez thing shows a better understanding of this game than anyone else so far.
The bolded reads very weird to me. It seems like that random bit of TMI that scum often include, but town wouldn't think about. Feels so unnecessary to point out. Like it gives him an out to do nothing regardless of NKs.
On March 15 2019 13:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm fully prepared to sheep acro. Those NKs were a bit surprising but I'm still comfortable with what acro is saying. I am finally going home tomorrow so I'll at last be able to be more active for the last half of the day.
We get it dude, you have a hard on for Acro. What I simply can't buy is his unwavering support of Acro. Mind you, Acro has claimed lurker vig like three days ago, been pretty much as consistently wrong as everyone so far (Sentinel gives a modicum of credit, but scum were probably unaware of his relation to them) and yet MZ doesn't entertain the idea that 1) Acro could be 3p or scum OR 2) Acro is being kept alive because he's largely wrong on his reads. This unwavering support strikes me as odd and completely opposite to everyone else right now who wavering, waffling, double checking things, etc. He claims the NKs were "surprising" but doesn't explain why he thinks that, how they are surprising, and what they mean for the game at large.
On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
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You do realize that the first post you quoted was prior to onegus claim right?
On March 17 2019 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: Town follow me to victory as I will now tell you that with the game not ending Onegu is even more likely to be scum than Survivor.
This just sounds like TMI...
Also if I was scum woundnt it count toward scum winning? So how does this work> Nope much more likely I am town
On March 17 2019 07:43 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone up for an Exo shannie? All he done this game just keep poping up EoD and not really do much.
If only
Woulda def done this
At this point I think it's very likely that ExO is mafia
MZ/ExO/Slam/Rels/Jock or TS? Idk tbh. I need to look over this Pandain stuff because I've kinda been lazily treating him as town the past couple cycles.
We should lynch MZ if we somehow survive this night. Night actions need to be epic
On March 17 2019 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Bbygurl its ok I will feed the puppy
Anyways rels was right and my vid got cut off Sigh
Fuck this game 2weeks for this
Exo is scum btw That much is confirmed Same with pandain
Thats my strongest 2 reads jn this fecalfeast of a game
Damm u holyflare!
I think you were spot on when you said that the whole D1 debacle of HF vs. Palmar kinda fucked this game from the beginning. Also losing doc and cop like n1 fucking sucks
The fact that ExO got away with a 4 page filter in a game of 445 pages as scum and will probably win is bonkers man. It legitimately demotivates me from the idea of playing mafia again lol
On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm
Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +
On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four.
It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.
GG wp. Definitely wasn't my best game, but I'm satisfied with my play in the last two cycles. I particularly thought that our ability to make it Oats vs. MZ yesterday was nice, although ExO and Onegu helped out on that front. Was definitely hard for town given the roles being shot early, but TW had a great shot on BC.
I was also incredibly surprised that people took Pandain's shot at face value. He played that well.
Also must say that I thoroughly enjoyed Mocsta's video. He was really starting to get the game, albeit a bit too late. Really cool dude!
On March 18 2019 01:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: One other thing I will add is having DF and Pandain push for my lynch at the end really solidified oats as scum for me since those two were my top red picks.
Yes, that was intentional on my part. I knew that me pushing you would make you even more confident that Oats was scum. I don't blame you
Yea. D1 was overall such a shit show for town. Especially in a 35 player game, it's honestly way too easy to sit back and do the minimum. Don't think anyone active should've ever been lynched early. I knew as long as I kept the activity to a minimum I could pretty much survive two days easily before having to work for cred
On March 18 2019 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock played ok, all other mafia were just random shit not wanting to kill themselves. Well done Jock.
lol don't be a sore loser
nah i am not, i just cant deal with games where mafia makes more posts 1hr into post game than all real game. I call them no-games because they are no games.
On March 18 2019 00:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On the other hand the high page count put a ton of townies off playing or even reading the game. Maybe people should stop spamming
I actually had quite a bit of fun playing with the idea that I would never really go back and read and instead just focus on how people were playing and interacting in smaller portions. My Scum-reads were not amazing and I often focused the wrong people, but I think I was able to identify enough Town and had a fair few scum in my sights.
Overall was nice to try and play again, but I think time investment vs the return is no longer there for me in Mafia. People did a good job keeping the atmosphere pretty tolerable as well (well ok, maybe I shouldn't say that when I read like 5% of the last 450 pages).
I do think 35 players is pushing what I find an enjoyable mafia experience, so easy to forget people in that mass. Hosts did a good job balancing roles for the game size, but might have been better to be clearer about how the setup might have been changed from OP.
Yea honestly anything over 20 is too much imo. But I get why we wanted to get as many as possible for this one
EPT
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