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On March 01 2019 00:58 Tictock wrote: I just wanted to say, I'm really sorry to hear that this is happening. Sounds like a difficult thing for everyone to deal with. I hope it gets resolved okay somehow.I'm tempted to Out, but I'll make some effort as I can for the spirit of the thing... My roommate (who is Schizophrenic) went missing yesterday after loosing his job, threatening his boss he was gunna kill himself, and made a FB post that he had taken enough pills to kill himself. Don't expect much from me. | ||
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 Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:16 Holyflare wrote: Yes that's my conclusion as well! Glad we agree for once No self respecting town person reads setup. You're mafia. But I don't think the setup actually says the number of mafia... | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:23 Holyflare wrote: Honestly, just guessing. Seems like the right number, that or six, I'd rather overestimate than underestimate.For real though trfl why do you say 7? As to why, I figured it would be eye-catching | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: If so, what does that make you conclude?You got that from him saying that he's always town? | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:40 Damdred wrote: Hm, you sure? I was kinda thinking he was maybe mafia.I like rayn as town to...he did the town rayn thing I didn't like how he was suspicious of a post and then jumped onto the second post by the same person, and it felt like he was going nowhere (no conclusion). I'm used to raynpelikoneet in the past asking something else to learn more from the person he is suspicious of. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:07 Conversion wrote: Sorry I'm not understanding, what specifically changed?I'd be happy to lynch him as of 9:07 PM EST though In other news, my reason to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet was completely wrong, whoops. Never mind me. | ||
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He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed: On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist. | ||
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On March 02 2019 22:14 rsoultin wrote: I hate phoneposting but I'm too lazy to get out of bed and walk three feet to my computer so ><to clarify, the thing i associate with town sl's is a bit more solid than just voting to lynch me lol >< my issue with tube is not only was his entrance crap but he only came out again when i pointed it out (same time i named sl) and since hasn't done a thing. active lurker much? also, is it bad that i'm wanting to association read you town because of rayn who could easily be scum? i agree your later posts look townier but i don't understand his townreading you for your early posts That's a fair point on Tubesock, I could definitely see that. I still think I want to lynch sicklucker more but that's a good catch. And yes that association read is bad ^^ | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:36 Vivax wrote: What? That's actually strictly false because I did do that. But it doesn't matter because Tubesock thought he wad being mentioned, so it doesn't matter that it wasn't even about him.No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned. | ||
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I still agree with rsoultin that Tubesock's post ("active lurking") is really suspect. The reasoning why it's suspicious is because he thought he was being scumread, so he came and posted, and that was all he posted about. Like he's there and present but all he cares about is surviving. This reasoning is valid even though he wasn't actually being mentioned, because he thought he was being mentioned, and that is all that is needed. Does that make sense? Also, it's called going back to sleep, not lurk mode >< On March 03 2019 02:15 Alakaslam wrote: To you or anyone else, I get what you're saying here, but isn't raynpelikoneet typically also aggressive when he is mafia? So his play this game is different from his town play and his mafia play alike. At least for this reason I'm a bit confused.Rayn not aggressive as I remember. He is super aggressive until laying down who is scum? Not usual for him he is like the town bulldog. Nope, suspicion rayn | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote: To be honest, not really?I don't feel like catching up did anything fun happen? I'd be down to chat though! Maybe about Chezinu, if you're still suspicious of him? | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad. Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to? | ||
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@Holyflare, fair enough, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know. | ||
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@Vivax: Sure, go for it. Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that. | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:50 sicklucker wrote: (sigh) WHYYYY is rsoultin a town lean for youYa i dont lynch my leaning towns in 60 player games... | ||
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FecalFeast - Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself. ##unvote Oatsmaster (pressure vote) ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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On March 05 2019 03:03 Koshi wrote: Maybe that things change over the (iirc) 36+ hours since I last posted? Maybe because I did some more reading and have some new thoughts?Tfrel you enter the thread with a complete new read. Again no continuity with earlier posts. Why is there such disconnect in your filter? If you want continuity, here's my sicklucker read (null): sicklucker + Show Spoiler + His play still feels like mafia to me but I also think he'd be more invested as mafia in particular, I'd like to wait to see him get more involved before making a decision. Simply put, I find Fecalfeast much more likely to be mafia than sicklucker, I'd like to wait on sicklucker for a while. We can discuss this further if you would like but I would appreciate it if you took a look at Fecalfeast. | ||
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On March 05 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Plenty of people (Vivax, sicklucker, Mocsta, etc) have been calling me suspicious for changing my vote really easily upon request. I feel it deserves an explanation. Though I also felt it was obvious enough initially, but it is what it is.I also like how trefel says that his vote on me was a pressure vote even though nobody asked lol. | ||
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On March 05 2019 03:04 Acrofales wrote: No, I haven't read the thread, but I've been following along and reading filters for the last three hours... I don't have a perfect idea what's going on but I found something worth sharing. So I shared it. If that makes me suspicious for posting my scumread before finishing up my shiny, pristine list post than so be it.What is it with people reappearing in the thread after being absent for 24h or so and appearing completely clueless to anything that happened since their disappearance. There's no way trfel has read the thread. Surely this case was predetermined to be his reentry into the thread. Like.. WTF? On March 05 2019 03:08 Koshi wrote: It's a post likely to come from mafia because he shares suspicions of a lot of people with zero actual interest in those suspicions. Town cares about the people they are suspicious about, mafia doesn't, they just need to have scumreads to survive. Fecalfeast's filter shows no interest, investment, or followup at all on his scumreads (save one post, the one asking everyone to share why they don't want to lynch Acrofales, while he still hasn't even shared why he DOES want to lynch Acrofales).I did. Your read sucks unless you van proof to me why mafia fefe made this post or why it is more likely mafia fefe made that post over a townie fefe. Just quoting a lost post and yell fake news does not sway me. It's also not a lack of time or thread presence, he still has plenty of that, as shown by his campaign to be mayor. If he cares so much about that, and enough to be suspicious of a decent number of people, if he's town he's going to care about those reads, is he's mafia he's not. And that's going to look a lot like this. On March 05 2019 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I (frankly) didn't like your early play very much but I thought it was slightly town indicative, however Holyflare pointed to those same reasons and said that meta means that those reasons were mafia indicative instead. I felt it would be easier to pressure you and get a reaction than it would be to investigate that meta and see how true or false it is. Given how your play has continued and how you're responded to that pressure I don't want to lynch you.Why did you feel like you wanted to pressure me? | ||
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On March 05 2019 03:24 Conversion wrote: Tubesock? That's actually not the way I read his filter at all.do people actually like Tube's filter or is it that there are worse filters out there than his? I can't seem to grab any sort of stance from his filter at all and lots of soft questioning that lead nowhere To me he feels actually invested in his reads. He's suspicious of me for one, and he's actually asking people about that and looking for support. Sure, he's asking a lot of questions, but at least in my opinion he actually does have a direction. | ||
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On March 05 2019 03:29 Conversion wrote: That reasoning makes sense to me?IF he's actually invested in his read and scumreading you, this is a terrible post why would town!anyone ever try to lynch someone else that he/she prefers and is a top!scum in their reads, but be okay diverging off of it to save someone? Why would mafia ever do that? Mafia could just pile on and join the wagon. Mafia could just stick on their top scumread and potentially get an I-told-you-so and look good after the flip. Town prefers to lynch their top scumread, even when someone else is the wagon, but is willing to consolidate onto one of their other scumreads to get the lynch the most want and can practically achieve at the end of the day. Makes sense to me? | ||
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On March 05 2019 04:51 rsoultin wrote: It's not my choice of targets? I can choose between [UoN]Sentinel and Palmar, I'm confident I much prefer [UoN]Sentinel, no need to waffle. If I was the mayor myself I'd probably go with Fecalfeast or maybe sicklucker. You're townreading Fecalfeast off of tone, right?:/ you feel off this game to me. there was a glimmer of truffledom and now it's gone again. you're not doing the truffle waffle | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:02 Tumblewood wrote: That's not one of my stronger scumreads. That's the best of limited options.this post feels as if you haven’t read in the last 50 pages but feel obligated to have at least 1 Informed Scum Read anyway On March 05 2019 05:01 rsoultin wrote: Would you be willing to take another look? I don't actually feel like he's been pointing things out at all, just been repeating reads that others have already made, he hasn't been sharing his own thoughts. As far as the rest of it goes, he's really just been asking to be mayor, after the early portion of the game anyway. He's gotten worse as the game goes on in that regard.yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?) | ||
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I've posted a quality scumread on Fecalfeast and a quality scumread on [UoN]Sentinel. The longer I think about it the more I like those reads. Both reads show original thought. Please don't just write me off as mafia for being suspicious of someone else earlier and then being busy for a while, but actually look at what I've written and what those two have written and think about their alignments. Then come back and let me know what you think. But don't dismiss me before taking a look for yourself. | ||
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Jockmcplop LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + Even before the anger Vivax rsoultin + Show Spoiler + Highly doubt she'd call me mafia if she were mafia Townish Onegu Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Can't ever read him anyway BlazingHand + Show Spoiler + Feel like mafia!BlazingHand would have just rng'd a filter and written up a case Tictock Tumblewood Acrofales Chezinu + Show Spoiler + I don't see the disconnect others are commenting on between his play this game and his town play. Maybe I'm just blind? But I don't see it Tubesock + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 03:26 Trfel wrote: Tubesock? That's actually not the way I read his filter at all. To me he feels actually invested in his reads. He's suspicious of me for one, and he's actually asking people about that and looking for support. Sure, he's asking a lot of questions, but at least in my opinion he actually does have a direction. Grackaroni + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote: If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets. Conversion + Show Spoiler + I don't really understand the suspicion of him. I forget what Vivax said about him exactly but I don't think it was anywhere near as convincing as Vivax did. I see Conversion contributing original content and being willing to be in the center of everything, both of which usually come from town. Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh + Show Spoiler + Same as Conversion really. There are some suspicious things but overall he's willing to be the focus of attention and he is sharing original thoughts, which makes me think he's town. iamperfection Mr. Wiggles Null Palmar + Show Spoiler + Lack of time to understand why people are suspicious of him, unless someone wants to point me to a summary? But I doubt I want to lynch him today, his recent activity has seemed very good to me. Oatsmaster WaveofShadow sicklucker + Show Spoiler + His play still feels like mafia to me but I also think he'd be more invested as mafia in particular, I'd like to wait to see him get more involved before making a decision. raynpelikoneet ExO_ + Show Spoiler + Feels genuine Pandain darthfoley Koshi BloodyC0bbler Ace Alakaslam Rels Mafiaish FecalFeast + Show Spoiler + Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself. [UoN]Sentinel + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I thought about that, but then I realized that the exact same thing would be true for literally everyone else. So why didn't he put everyone at town, but just himself?Actually could you walk me through your sent read? If he hasn’t read his role pm, I assume that it makes sense he thinks he’s town because that’s both statistically likely and beneficial no matter what alignment he actually is. If I were going to make a list post and put myself on it, if I were town I could just put myself as town and not think about it. But if I hadn't read my role PM I'd pause, because I wouldn't know. But if I were mafia pretending I hadn't read my role PM, it's quite likely I wouldn't think about it and would forget. Basically I think it makes it more likely that he did in fact read his role PM, and since there's no reason to pretend like he didn't if he was town, that makes me think he's much more likely mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't do association reads.I'm really curious about that null read on Palmar Trfel. You think I'm scum. Cool. So you vote Palmar "because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most". So how does this work if Palmar is scum and I'm also scum? Why would Palmar not be green in your eyes? And I'm not going to try and convince you that you are mafia. I stand by what I said, everyone else can read your posts and decide for themselves. | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Do explain?I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game | ||
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On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote: I meant, explain why you feel you've been towny this game, because looking at your filter I don't see that at all and I have explained why and really the only thing people have put in your favor is tone.You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you. But I won't be around for the answer so I guess it doesn't matter. Actually really need to leave now, see you all eventually. | ||
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Also, can I please get a quick summary of why everyone thinks I'm mafia? I'm honestly not really sure. | ||
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I understand the whole jumping around on scumreads thing. First if you look at my meta you realize that I actually do this all the time as town and never as mafia, like the last game I played with Mocsta he even commented on it then. But if you're too lazy to look at meta, just understand that the vote on Oatsmaster was a pressure vote, so all you're left with is agreeing with rsoultin on Tubesock and then pushing Fecalfeast. And I think anyone who reads Fecalfeast's filter would need to agree with me that he is suspicious. I lynched Fecalfeast as he was mafia for the exact same reasons before, I'm seeing it all again this game. What else is there? Just not agreeing with me? I'm here, I'm playing the game, I'm analyzing posts, I'm doing my best, no one has said anything except my posts are bad. You may disagree but I'm posting based on facts and I'm here to discuss. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:29 Holyflare wrote: I had an appointment I left for. I came back and I'm skipping dinner and I'm skipping hanging out with a friend to play this game and try and survive. I can't skip my commitments to play mafia, I was already late because I was playing mafia too long, it literally would not have been possible for me to play more and still make my appointment.Although I do note the convenient timing of his return... Sorry for prioritizing real life and my personal well-being over a game. | ||
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NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please! | ||
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I just don't understand what else I'm supposed to do. It doesn't even feel like people are here. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:37 rsoultin wrote: Too convenient? As in, scumreading someone that no one else is trying to push (Fecalfeasat) and someone that only one person wants dead ([UoN]Sentinel)? I don't understand how that's convenient. Both have been active and present in the game, they're hardly lurkers.You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/ | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:37 Koshi wrote: Show me the disconnects, that's simply not true. I already explained the two disconnects that exist. If you show me more I can explain them too, nothing even has merit except for those two.I think you are mafia and I told you why. Disconnect in every other post you made. That is enough. @Holyflare, I'd take another look at Fecalfeast and Mocsta. Mocsta's play felt honest and genuine to me, admittedly he hasn't done much but I don't think that's mafia indicative. I know that Fecalfeast enjoys playing scum (heck he has one of the highest mafia winrates on the site) and he's relaxed and carefree as mafia, IIRC he's more relaxed and carefree and fun-loving as mafia than town. As mafia he plays to exist and survive, not to push stuff, and that's exactly what he is doing here. Otherwise, just please don't start a big fight between you and raynnpelikoneet or anyone else that causes massive tunnels. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:43 Koshi wrote: AND IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED! Tubesock and Mocsta said the same thing. It was half based on the false premise of my vote on Oatsmaster, not understanding that it was a policy vote. And the other half was simply agreeing with something that someone else pointed out. If that's enough to get me lynched I don't know what to say.Also. I repeat this once more. Throughout the entire game multiple people have commented on Tfrel and about how scummy he is, and more importantly, why he is scummy. From memory: Tubesock, Mocsta, sicklucker. Sicklucker was also scumreading me as OMGUS, that hardly counts. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote: Huh. To be honest I couldn't tell you. I guess never mind me then, I'm still not really convinced he's mafia but I couldn't (and wouldn't) stop anyone who said otherwise.Can you explain the mocsta progression on Palmar then? How can he go from so rage-y and agreeing with my posts against Palmar to suddenly voting Conversion with palmar and agreeing like nothing had happened? | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:53 Palmar wrote: But I don't have a scumread on you?You and Exo You guys need to explain your scumread on me I'm just trusting Holyflare. The whole saving me thing and all. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:55 LightningStrike wrote: Fair enough. If I survive long enough I do intend to read the 80ish pages I've missed and in doing so I will re-evaluate rsoultin. It's possible she is WIFOMing me.I will if it flips over back to you. I won't let you get lynched. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:56 Vivax wrote: So apparently my posts and effort and reads are worse than Blazinghand's?I think I'm back to wanting to lynch Trfel Cool? | ||
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