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No way in hell am I missing the end of the world, TL Mafia got me through life in 2010-2013 lol | ||
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On February 28 2019 12:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: /in I'm here to kill scum and lynch townies, and I'm all out of townies! H O L Y F U C K Game changer right here, haven't seen wiggles in like 5 years | ||
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On March 01 2019 20:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: well fuck it. If that spot is still open Ill take it Kita /in Fuckin all star cast | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia  I'm running for mayor and my platform is to lynch Trfel | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:12 LightningStrike wrote: But how do we know that you're town here? You don't, which is why you gotta vote for me since I'm advocating lynching the hella confirmed scum. | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:16 Holyflare wrote: No self respecting town person reads setup. You're mafia. This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100% | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:18 Holyflare wrote: No self respecting townie reads the whole thread. Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind Is lightingstrike scum too HF? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:21 LightningStrike wrote: I'm always town here though :D Damn this is a compelling counterpoint | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all. More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within. So when you say this damdred, you're really just talking about having a sexy circle jerk with LS? On March 02 2019 10:30 Damdred wrote: I know because I'm masons with ls. Sounds like an orgy to me, where's my invite? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons  Y u say this? | ||
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Hmm. I'm gonna go with the assumption that you're just BSing. But I wanna know why you picked those specific players for you scum team? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the most suspicious thing in the game. What I said or what LS said? | ||
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This makes me sad y? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter who he picked and why if he isn't actually mafia? lol who says he's not mafia? | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:56 Conversion wrote: is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia? I don't think he's casing me unless I'm reading his quote wrong I wonder where you read me having an ironclad case on you. | ||
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On March 02 2019 10:58 Tumblewood wrote: u said you thought he was BSing in that post, so why did you care how he chose people? especially since it was almost certainly completely arbitrary I mean I doubt he just gave up the entire scum team (which is why I said it was probably BS) but I certainly don't think he's somehow cleared. I'm even more interested now since he has apparently read my poking at him as me thinking I've got an "ironclad case" | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:00 Conversion wrote: riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke This is literally all WIFOM lol. Do we still say that around here? Personally, because of Trfel already (presumably) fake claiming scum in the thread, your "dumb joke" strikes me as a fairly safe entry type post for someone who is scum. I wanted to see what reasons you had for your list since scum often have a habit of including one or two of their teammates in lists like that. And if nothing else you talking about your list could spark a little conversation. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am still wondering why Meapak clinged onto LS' post on not being masons with Damdred since given his attitude towards Trfel and Conversion Damdred's post of being masons should be 100% more concerning to him. I find LS to be oddly apologetic with his play rn, Damdred didn't claim scum (which I view as inherently anti town) so I don't really care about his play, I just find it weird that LS wanted to blow it up so fast. This is what I'm talking about when I say "apologetic" On March 02 2019 10:15 LightningStrike wrote: You're ruining the fun man Not like I was asking someone to use my gun to kill a 2nd game lol.....On March 02 2019 10:23 LightningStrike wrote: But HF it's just the start of the game I trying to have some fun On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons On March 02 2019 10:38 LightningStrike wrote: Because I speakign the truth? I wish I could be masoned with Damdred one of these games. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:07 Tumblewood wrote: so if it was BS why does the specific list he named mattered? i'm not questioning whether you think conv is scum, i'm questioning why you think there was something relevant behind the specific list Because I'm suspicious of him and I find that scum often include one or two of their buddies in lists like that in a subconscious attempt to give it "legitimacy" And getting him to talk about it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world given that it's the very start of the game so genuine discussion is limited. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages Oh my god information is exactly what I'm trying to get lol. Conversion has decided that he's not interested in answering my questions and has deflected instead. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why didnt you say so in the first place, because that's not what you said earlier, you just made a question about his comment. What's the difference with Trfel/Conversion making a comment (true or fake) about being mafia than Damdred lying about being masons? I mean do you think it's somehow less anti-town to lie about your role at the start of the game than making an obvious joke about being mafia (note that i am not saying mafia couldn't do that -- but giving your attitude towards these same sort of happenings in the thread i can't for my life understand why LS (most likely) tellign the truth is somehow more suspicious than Damdred (most likely) lying? Yes because I legitimately want him to answer the question, I've already outlined why I didn't like the comment, I wanted to hear his reason. And yes I do think it's significantly less anti town to claim a town roll in the beginning of a game when people are trolling rather than claim scum. That's more of a personal opinion so you can feel free to disagree but I think the type of information you can get from people with something like what Damdred said is far more valuable than what Trfel/Conversion said. As an aside, it's not that I'm suspicious about LS for telling the truth, more with the tone that he's addressing things. | ||
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On March 02 2019 11:17 LightningStrike wrote: I wasn't being apologetic at all just reacting how I normally do to those type of posts? My first quote there was a reference to a game we played together in 2014 I want to say. I was reminding HF that it's a little early in the game to start acting serious. My 3rd quote was directly telling people I wasn't masons with Damdred since Damdred did claim I was masons with him. The last post was just me explaining that post. The one advantage of not playing for a long time is that I've largely forgotten the "meta game" that was really prevalent around here in the early 2010s. I'm gonna this at face value for now though. What do you think of Conversion's suspicions of me? | ||
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On March 02 2019 14:41 Chezinu wrote: Tictock doesn't like you very much.. how does that make you feel? It makes me feel sad but you also tried to see if there was a hidden nuke mechanic on me and that also made me sad. | ||
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On March 02 2019 15:05 Chezinu wrote: When Mafias Fight each other! ok.. Such fun times.. Holy shit Chez with deep dive. I'm not sure why you brought all of that up except that I seem to be trying to lynch you in all those games? I haven't said anything against you this game lmao. Those games are also like... 6 or 7 years old. | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:21 Grackaroni wrote: I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy. I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax. There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts. I don't like posts like this. I see little value in just giving a slew of green reads and leaving out your one "gut feeling" Its easy to call people town, especially so if you're mafia because you know you're right. And there's very little point in hiding your scum reads. Bring it up and make them talk more. That's how you actually catch scum. | ||
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On March 02 2019 23:39 Conversion wrote: also he was trying to fish for something completely irrelevant, like why I picked those names. which the answer is going to be totally NAI anyways because why would I say anything besides "I randomly picked those names for a joke" Is that why you picked them? You pitched a fit over me asking and I just realized I don't think you ever answered lol. | ||
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On March 03 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: So you don't agree with rso any more? , he nitpicked my use of the word ironclad and ran with it. So I dropped it, found him suspicious, and moved on [b]There is to date no official scumread from MZ on you. MZ wanted to know why those names cause if you are maybe mafia then you mixed in a few buddies in there. Don't ask me how he would have analyzed an answer if you gave it to him.[b] Jesus fuck thank you lol. I started this yesterday just to get information. Calling someone confirmed scum off their first post in the thread is retarded. Did I find conversion's first post suspect? Yes. Did I want more information and to get him to talk more? Yes. In a way it worked but I don't understand why he keeps spinning it as me calling him scum. I'm not even voting for him rn yet you'd think I was about to drop the lynch hammer vote on him. His defensiveness is more suspicious than anything. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On March 03 2019 01:35 iamperfection wrote: you haven't read your role pm but you have a town read on yourself ![[image loading]](https://i.lensdump.com/i/AqeSyD.gif) Someone said that they were suspicious of imp, I'm now down with it. | ||
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On March 03 2019 02:28 iamperfection wrote: ace you have anything useful to say about alignments you have only talked about the mayor? Who is your top scum read at the moment? | ||
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I hated that third dude who scum claimed as his thread entry, that makes him, trfel, and conversion. I Don't like iamp's constant questions and no reads, there are also a few others who are doing that as well but iamp is the most obvious. I'm still running for mayor so vote me and I'll lynch one of the three people who claimed scum with their first post Gonna take a nap | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:21 iamperfection wrote: do you think im mafia for real ? or do just not like my posts. it isnt quite clear Fuckit, yeah I have scum read on you right now based on your complete lack of contribution other than questions which you don't follow up. Right now it feels like you're posting for the sake of activity rather than actually trying to gain anything from the questions you ask. | ||
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On March 03 2019 04:51 rsoultin wrote: The experiment commences! I love experiments. Slam's in my no-lynch list today, too. And I'll grant HF the TT read cause that's totally what I did as scum I think a few times? For indeterminate feels reasons I disagree but that's kinda par for the course for me. Sentinel can hang if Chez/rayn aren't in the nooses. Jock's MZ reasoning makes me want to townread him. Also, this post from MZ...while I'm glad he's focusing on something new, he's not saying anything here. I don't know if you think Grack is scum or you're just lecturing him on how to play @.@ Which is funny cause I also wasn't a huge fan of Grack's post. I mean its hard to develop a full read off of a single post (possible but very difficult) but as you note yourself that was a super poor post from Grack. Like I've noted earlier I hate when people vaguely mention they have "suspicions" then don't talk about who they're suspcious of, I like to address things I don't like. And speaking of things I don't like, Grack's last few posts on this page have also been very poor imo. | ||
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On March 03 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Explain this jesus fuck. I do not care that Slam says he is low hanging fruit. The guy literally just said this is my scum read but im not going to lynch him. Huh... yeah you don't scumread someone and then say you're not going to push them. I have chez as town for one thing and for another, even if you think your read is low hanging fruit its your job as town to kill scum. All the better if you think you've got an easy case. | ||
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On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town, iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town tictock is reaching real far for their reads Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men HF too serious to be town Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense These are... not great reasons lol. I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:08 rsoultin wrote: Yeah yolo lol >< Chez can be second lynch! \o/ Is this really gonna be your reason for a lynch? That's a very quick switch from wanting chez/rayn/myself dead. | ||
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I like this post: On March 03 2019 06:30 Acrofales wrote: I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post. 1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material. 2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive. 3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications. Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too. In particular I like the stuff on the grack read and in light of rsoultin's switch from chez to oats I agree with his points about her posting easy reads but not taking them seriously. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:19 iamperfection wrote: damn you got good wifi on that boat acro I'd be down for lynching any of iamp, grack, or conversion. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:24 Holyflare wrote: Yet oats doesn't feature in your 3 want to lynches? I mean I wouldn't be upset with an oats lynch but I think that Grack or iamp are better choices. Plus he has conversion as scum which I agree with so that pushes him down my priority list. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote: That's... Not great mz. Rsoultin even pointed out those reads don't even align with who he called scum from the vote thread yet you ignored those points and haven't weighed in on oats but instead defer back to pointless rehashing 3 you want to lynch? I did weigh in on oats. I recognized his reads were different between the two posts which is why I talked about wanting to hear more on his conversion read. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:33 Oatsmaster wrote: conversion is nothing, mistakes were made Ah I see. So who do you want to lynch today? Pick only one person. | ||
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Here I color coded it. Green are the reads you address in both posts, red is the discrepancy On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote: all not town On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town, iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town tictock is reaching real far for their reads Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men HF too serious to be town Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:44 iamperfection wrote: but i dont think a mafia would that be careless LOOOL HF there's the too dumb to be scum defense you were literally talking about a few pages ago. I actually could see myself getting on board with an oats lynch today with how this has gone down. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Like i really dont understand what the heck you guys are talking about When we asked you to elaborate on your initial reads you proceeded to give a different set of reads. | ||
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On March 03 2019 07:56 Grackaroni wrote: You just don't have the patience to wait until 11:11 PM EST I don't understand why you don't post now. You're very obviously reading along with the thread. | ||
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On March 03 2019 15:14 Chezinu wrote: Meapak_Ziphh!!!! COLOR ME THIS!!! WHAT COLOR AM I?!??!??! + Show Spoiler + After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role... Brown Chez, always brown. | ||
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On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote: So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia. I think this right here is a really really good point. While I was getting pissy about people claiming scum for shits and gigs with their first post, what sent is doing is significantly more anti town than that. I hadn't really thought through the implications behind him not reading it. The only snag in my mind is why did he even bother telling the thread. If he legitimately hasn't read his role PM what advantage does it buy him as town to tell the thread about it. Like if you want your play to be "neutral" (which as palmar noted is a strategy that is inherently advantageous to mafia) why tell the thread what you're doing. That said I like the idea of policy lynching someone playing a strategy that is blatantly anti town. I'm going to vote Palmar for mayor and suspend my own campaign. | ||
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On March 03 2019 15:35 Chezinu wrote: A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!! If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed. Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far? | ||
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On March 03 2019 15:50 Chezinu wrote: The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now. I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red? | ||
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On March 04 2019 08:25 darthfoley wrote: Interested on MeapZiph's take on iamp after the last 30 pages. @Meap are you still seeing red? Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now  The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well. | ||
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Grack This is a terrible post: On March 03 2019 08:36 Grackaroni wrote: Meh fuck it my scum read was Tumblewood. Though HF/Conversion can win the Grack mini-game for guessing that I would scum read them. After announcing that he was gonna do his big reveal I was expecting something more substantial from him On March 03 2019 09:11 Grackaroni wrote: You know I usually try harder as mafia than town. This is also a really bad defense. Appealing to your own meta is completely pointless, especially in a game where many people haven’t played in forever. On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. His Tubesock case is basically a chainsaw defense of Acro. While I do have Acro as town right now, several people who’s opinions have been good so far disagree so a Grack+Acro team is certainly a possibility. On March 04 2019 05:57 Grackaroni wrote: Also pretty dumb idea that I had, but this post is weird: If Tumble/Tube are actually scum there is a non-trivial chance that he just wanted to slip in the names of teammates into a post. What is even the point of this post? Are you trying to call Ace scum? The big problem I have with Grack’s stuff is that it just lacks any sort of actual effort to scum hunt. He barely pushes either of his reads and his cases behind them are flimsy at best. He is also strangely defensive of acro and mentions not wanting to lynch him several times. TicTock and Tumblewood are both scumreading him and I feel like both of them have been approaching the game from a townie mindset. Interestingly enough Acro is also scumreading him despite Grack’s consistent defense on him. I feel comfortable calling him Mafia. Conversion Has literally done nothing this game but call for my lynch every 15 pages or so. He is still completely hung up on the fact that I asked him about the names he gave. Actually let’s break it down real quick with some of the posts where he constantly jumps to conclusions: On March 03 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: what the fuck is this post? if you agree with someone that I am scum, why am I not in your lynch list and why aren’t you pushing for it? Apparently, the idea of having different levels of reads is a foreign concept to him. I felt then and do now as well that grack would be a better lynch than conversion. I’m not out here trying to shit up the thread and push a million reads at once but god forbid I bring up conversion’s name as someone I’m suspicious of. His defensiveness to my original line of questioning and continued hair trigger response at the mere mention of his name is what’s driving my continued suspicion of him. On March 03 2019 23:59 Conversion wrote: also you found that Oats was good to agree with because he put one post with a bunch of votes that included me and said “not town?” This one is funny to me bc we’ve already been through the question and answer session I had with oats. He posted some reads that were similar to mine and then went off the rails which is how he ended up in my “wouldn’t mind lynching” category in the first place. Again, I really don’t understand this post except it’s continued defensiveness at the suggestion I find him scummy. On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote: I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today. did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?” if not I’d like to lynch him whoop here we go again, literally the only thing he talks about is my read of him. It’s funny too because He’s so obsessed with my read and then somehow finding it scummy that I’m not pushing him as my primary read. Personally I just don’t get the logic but it reeks of nervous defensive scum who feels the need to respond when someone calls them out. I feel pretty comfortable calling him mafia as well. I realized I can’t fucking read iamp to save my life so I’m going to back off that read for now. When I reread his filter I had the exact same reaction that he did to this post: And actually, rereading his acro case while I’m typing this post up is starting to make me doubt the green lean I had on acro. I don’t know what the fuck to do with Oats, his filter is a mess, I agree with some of the reads that I’ve already covered but that exchange with HF from a few days ago was just terrible. Where I’m at right now is wanting to kill Grack and Conversion. I think that there’s a high probability one or more of BH/Pandain/Wave are the red but not worth the lynch today since they’re lurking so hardcore, that’s a job for vigis. I don’t like Damdred’s posting at all but literally nobody likes his posting so that almost feels like lynchbait. I think Darthfoley, Tumblewood, and TicTock have all made some good points. Parting shots: On March 04 2019 09:49 LightningStrike wrote: The whole idea that I am on everyone's scum list yet noone really want to lynch astounds me. DON'T BE A PUSSY AND JUST LYNCH ME. IF I FLIP MAFIA YOU GUYS GOT YOURSELF A LYNCH. IF I FLIP TOWN RECHECK YOUR READS UNLESS YOUR MAFIA THEN YOU GOT YOURSELF THE EASIEST MISLYNCH IN 20FUCKING19. JUST LYNCH ME GUYS I DON'T GIVE A RATSASS ABOUT GETTING LYNCHED BUT IF YOU GUYS KEEP NOT TRYING LYNCH ME THEN WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I EVEN PLAY? IF I DON'T GET LYNCHED THIS DAY PHASE I WILL JUST D OTHE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM AND JUST PLACE MY VOTES AND NOT EXPLAIN THEM. FINAL POST OUTSIDE OF THE BAREMINIMUM. I fucking hate this post. | ||
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I'm not sold on an HF lynch. I still want Grack and Pandain dead. One of BC and Ace is scum. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote: I shot BH. So lynch all liars? | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me lolol this is almost insane enough to make sense. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:40 Acrofales wrote: Mostly on board with this reasoning. But why does BH flipping town make HF look bad at the beginning? Or at least, look worse than he does already? It gives him a preflip blue claim to then fight it out with the actual vig, get the actual vig to out himself so then his team could shoot him the next night since he'd be confirmed town. He'd of course get lynched over the actual vig but he'd have outed the real vig for free. | ||
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On March 05 2019 11:04 Onegu wrote: Also good night! Got any other scum reads other than rsoul rn? Your desire to kill Koshi isn't looking too hot at the moment. | ||
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On March 04 2019 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I have absolutely no confidence that spreadsheet will last the entire time MZ is alive It's lasted so far and you'd be curious to know that you had red reads on two of our dear departed town and were being scumread by Palmar. On March 05 2019 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Bh i could lynch. Last break now will be home in 2.5 hours to vote On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote: You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you. On March 05 2019 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Ya but for real I'd kill hf or conversion too All of this is total garbage. You are literally just flopping from one wagon to another. You were also one of the under-the-radar HF voters I was talking about earlier. I value the wisdom of the dead very highly (especially when the dead person is Palmar) so I've definitely got a red read on FF now. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:58 Tumblewood wrote: like. you know what i dig. iamp as mayor (unless we could realistically pull of koshi, or fuck it, me). and then we lynch conv, trfel, grack, maaaybbe tube, BH, exo. and the mayor does good stuff This dude went AFK which sucks bc these reads aren't terrible except for the flipped people. | ||
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On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC" HMMMMMM Also you're one of those HF lurker voters... On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote: At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes. You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters. | ||
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On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles I can't believe the scumteam decided they need to start busing each other after a largely successful D1 and N1 | ||
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On March 06 2019 10:59 Holyflare wrote: I like this post mz. Welcome to the club. Not sure you want into a club with me but you're in it. Yeah your club looks a bit like Chernobyl right now but I'll join since literally everyone has scumread me this game lmao. That said, all I'm doing rn is combing the filters on your voters list. You're retarded for killing Palmar but you may still turn out to be a town retard. | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand why jock has to be on both sides of hf lynch if hf is mafia? Its very easy to coordinate towards what you want and no need to waffle. I am really not sold on HF being scum just yet. If you wanna read the WIFOM I'll leave it in a spoiler. + Show Spoiler + Almost everyone in the game had a town read on HF INCLUDING PALMAR, prior to him killing Palmar. If you're scum and you're about to win mayor, why the fuck would you instantly blow that up. He could have killed any other of his reads and people would have praised him for it. Shit if BH was on his team he could have bused the shit out of him and been virtually confirmed town the rest of the game. What makes more sense to me is that HF is retarded and went for #bigplayz and got burned. | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You don't look great to me because of the weak but persistent tunnel on Acro and a lack of anything besides that. You spend the first half of the day pushing for Acro, but don't do anything to argue against the counter-case even though you're allegedly sure enough in your read to mayor lynch him. When that wagon dissolves you spend some time hanging out before hopping on trfel as an OMGUS. Besides that there's lots of questions and little pokes but absolutely no follow up on any of it. Sheeiiiiit wiggles. Palmar's last few posts must have motivated you to get in here and get busing lmao. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:09 Damdred wrote: Marv why are you coming in and being so town and get killed I would like to play with you more than 3p minites! L O L You shouldn't have killed him if you wanted to play with him Damdred. | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Stop talking scum buddy, you're giving it away! lol MZ's so tunnelled on me he's not thinking straight My filter mentions you exactly twice Wiggles, guilty much? | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote: This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote: This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote: what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed??? @trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:19 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I'd lynch either of those guys tho I'm voting for scum. I have repeatedly given my reasons for not wanting to lynch HF and I have no idea which way to read you, people martyr both as town and scum and your play since then has been 50/50. If the jubjubs are gonna lynch between you and HF I honestly don't care which of you goes. My vote however is gonna be on the people I'm very confident are scum. | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:22 LightningStrike wrote: wiggles not getting lynched don't waste your vote. And what, vote between two people I feel are equally likely to be town? My vote goes on scum. | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:35 Blazinghand wrote: Do you actually not have an opinion on which of me or HF is a better lynch? No, I literally don't care between you two. I think you're both as likely to be town, and certainly much more likely town than wiggles/damdred/fecalfeast/jock. My town read for both of you is admittedly based on a massive amount of wifom so I'm not out here asking people to sheep those reads. Instead look at the cases I've made on people i find scummy. | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:52 Oatsmaster wrote: ??????????? So you rather you be right then we Lynch mafia. Noted I have no idea what this means except you think I'm voting for scum rn so why don't you switch off whoever you're currently mindlessly trying to kill and vote wiggles | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:53 darthfoley wrote: Dude all you've claimed on BH is that you can't read him. Since when does that equate to him being town? Also yea, considering the lack of thread interest my fear is that this it TvT Because I've martyred as town like he did. I told you it was a terrible wifom reason. I could be wrong. I'd rather go after targets I'm more sure of. | ||
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On March 08 2019 08:59 Tumblewood wrote: ah now look at all of these dedicated citizens popping out of the woodwork right after i give up If you idiots would vote for people you actually thought were scum instead of hiding under the "gotta consolidate excuse" we wouldn't have to be doing this rn. | ||
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On March 08 2019 09:04 Oatsmaster wrote: you wanna come in here in the last 5 minutes and say that “oh you guys have been playing the game wrong” because you don’t agree with the two lynch wagons because you have literally had no impact on the game? You are either terrible or mafia Honestly I thought we had an hour left, I live in central time but Utah is mountain time. However my point about idiots hiding under the umbrella of a wagon doesn't change | ||
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On March 08 2019 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Town V Town V Town V town all the way down This is probably it tbh. I'm gonna be honest, while i was catching up it highlighted how much dick measuring and how little scum hunting has gone on. People like acro and rayn have wasted pages and pages shitting up thw thread so now we're looking at 300 pages soon and no dead scum. They were the worst but by far and away not the only offenders. Why would scum ever bother to get involved when they can let town scream themselves to death. There are people who have absolutely garbage filters, terrible reads, and zero contribution and they're being ignored bc the more active players have axes to grind against each other. Hopefully D3 will be different. | ||
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On March 08 2019 10:45 Mocsta wrote: Another anti-town post. Everything from vivax this cycle reads quite fake. Like hes trying to emulate this tunneled town persona. Oh I like that a lot. I had initially liked vivax D1 but I haven't been a fan of his more recent work. | ||
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On March 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: And it's rather obvious HF is bussing Jock as of now. But guess what, he'll probably spend most of the day tomorrow doing distancing, moving people to jock and at deadline he'll just try to move everyone to some random lynch bait using sentiment as he always did. Vivax in order to be productive I'm gonna ask you to go with the assumption HF is town at least for tomorrow so we don't waste another day of jubjub debate. What are your thoughts on a wiggles/fecalfeast/damdred lynch? | ||
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And that Pandain shot is basically a scum claim imo. I've seen scum day vigis plenty of times. Actually I did this as the godfather one time, I got in a huge fight with a townie and most of the town had him viewed as scum, however he didn't end up getting lynched so I day vigi'd him out of frustration assuming that because town thought I was more green than him, they'd let me slide. Unfortunately for me, town was smarter and lynched the shit out of me. That's exactly what Pandain just did and lynching the shit out of him is exactly what we should be doing. Especially after town already has two vigis with confirmed shots. | ||
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On March 12 2019 12:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Disgruntled ex-employee Meapak_Ziphh called in with this to say: Our own explanation for this from those of us here at the show is that the only claimed vigilante who had a full-on alignment confirmation was TW, since they took out the dastardly BC in a magnificent display of brutal street justice. People have (rightfully) been considering that either of Pandain or Acrofales could be scum, regardless of their role. Ace was also pushing that one of the vigis could be scum, and was using it in part to push Acrofales as a lynch. By killing Ace and leaving the two non-town-confirmed vigis alive, maybe scum are pushing to try to lynch into them? It seems a lot like bait to try to get an Acrofales lynch going. I agree with this? At least parts of it? I still think Pandain's shot + claim is absolutely terrible and I don't think people should clear him. I really need to reread acro but I had him as green. I could see scum trying to get a mislynch rolling there. | ||
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On March 12 2019 14:04 Oatsmaster wrote: alright this one is the thing that is really scummy for me. Hes like still waffley and uses dead town from like day 1 to justify his read when there is so much more that MZ couldve used but he doesnt care. He also uses the word "comfortable" which implies an uncaring attitude towards the lynch. I feel like he hedges here with the "dead town" because he doesnt want to seem too sure that Sent is mafia because he isnt supposed to know BUT HE DOES DUN DUN DUN I've been leaning pretty strongly on the reads of dead town from the first few days since that's when I was closely reading the thread. I'm gonna reread some filters tomorrow and try and get some decent reads hammered out. I've seen a few people lightly push me as a potential lynch which I understand, regardless of how things pan out I'll be voting for my scummiest read. | ||
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On March 12 2019 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote: Hi everyone. I should be back and posting more today. My brain is no longer a hazy fog of dense wet sadness. Can someone explain to me why the NKs are weird this time? I'm not quote following the logic. Thanks We have claimed vigis who were not shot last night. Take that as you will since some people believe they were left alive as lynch bait. You'll have to draw your own conclusions | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote: I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now. On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so This is what I hate about the whole "well we gotta consolidate on lynch" mindset bc here we have a guy who says he thinks BH is just town giving up but then he votes him bc "there's no other choice" On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote Blazinghand On March 08 2019 05:36 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: Blazinghand Then somehow, despite reading BH as green, he gets to "I'd rather lynch BH than HF" like why would you vote for someone you're townreading. | ||
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On March 13 2019 02:41 Grackaroni wrote: I am trying to wrap my mind around this here and am going in circles a bit. From how I read it you think Sentinel might be not reading his role PM as scum to get an advantage but he is neutralizing his advantage by telling people? My point was if your goal is to be neutral, why tell the thread about it because it instantly highlights your play. So therefore if you haven't actually read it, just read the damn thing bc you've given up the advantage you thought you might get if you had rolled scum. So while not reading your roll PM is scummy, by telling the thread he kinds gave away the advantage from it. Idk if that makes it more understandable, it makes sense in my head. | ||
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On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. | ||
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Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote: Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:23 Acrofales wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/YqfWbEJ.png) This should have been easy to update. Where is it? As much as I hate people who use IRL as an excuse, I have flown a sortie every day since last Wednesday. I ended up being a lot busier on this trip than I was anticipating so I have not updated it, nor have I had my computer on in a week. I've basically just had time to catch up at the end of the day and throw out some thoughts. If people don't find this to be a compelling reason I'm fine flipping now since we aren't at lylo. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Didn’t you just say that mafia can use the mason to find the traitor? Ibut now you are saying use it for influence? Yeah absolutely, scum mason is obviously a thing. I don't understand where you're getting lost. The presence of a traitor gives the idea scum would have a way to contact them credit. Whether they use the mason to try and hunt the traitor is another matter entirely. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying No I had FF as red well before his claim. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:29 Acrofales wrote: That's okay, I wasn't expecting a fully updated version, but you took the time to mention that you had an Excel that was more updated than this. Please sync. You have another 5 minutes. Yeah that one hasn't been updated since my post about th3 excel sheet but I'll boot my computer up and see if I can find some hotel wifi | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote: I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho. Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam. I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person. I still think FF is scum. I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town. I have no idea how to read slam TS could be scum. Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims? | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom! Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town! Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor. However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT). Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. This is the post that sparked the whole scum mason idea for me. Onegu picked up on it but as far as I've read there really wasn't any other discussion of it and then TT showed up dead. He also has Rels red for other reasons, it seems like he was the only one. | ||
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On March 13 2019 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote: You imply that there’s something wrong with his claim when it’s actually his play that’s wrong and the claim is null but you didn’t make that clear Yeah sure sorry for the uncertainty. If he was super townie to me I wouldn't give a shit about his claim but in the context of how he's played so far and how I've been reading him I think his claim is super suspect. | ||
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On March 13 2019 04:07 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights? What do you mean? I've got it so that light green means you called a flipped town, green before their death and purple means you scum read a townie who flipped green. | ||
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On March 12 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote: That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town. FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was: 1. Ace 2. Me 3. LS Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF. But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right. Say this again louder for the people in the back. | ||
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On March 13 2019 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Either tube or chez I think of those three DF is the most likely to be red. You guys both buy FF's claim? | ||
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On March 13 2019 04:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Ehh I wanna say there’s a hatter and it might well be FF so meh, I don’t think it’s necessarily fake Why FF over Chez? Do you have a town read of LS? | ||
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On March 12 2019 04:26 Vivax wrote: ExOs contributions for the weekend. Kill with fire. Please everyone just kill ExO and Tubesock before you lay a hand on anyone else ok. Wouldn't want town just killing each other cause it's just the townies who get into your field of view, although it would be fitting for a end of the world mafia. It's almost day 4 and safe to say that only the most vocal dudes got pushed. Lurker lynch seems shitty, but it's simple. DF not posting during night phase when he's had surgery very recently and should have at least a few days off also screams like he's just flying under the radar. Also as town he should have the most information by now and be motivated to do something with it and he isn't. Seems to me like all mafia lurk hard at this point and none of them want to step forward cause that'd mean putting in more work than their perceived shitty teammates. I think this is a decent post, I'd love to see Exo hang as well. | ||
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On March 13 2019 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say scum feel like they are a little behind so they are playing safe, if they were really ahead sure I mean we're really devolving into a WIFOM discussion here but wouldn't shooting a claimed hatter with scum reads most people have as green be the optimal play? Unless somehow FF is right in reading LS as scum and Chez has broken his meta for the first time and therefore FF miraculously has bombs on scum? I just don't buy it. | ||
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On March 13 2019 05:33 Oatsmaster wrote: They are scared he has his bombs on mafia that aren’t those ya I guess, I dunno MZ But he hasn't claimed his bombs, how would they know? | ||
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On March 14 2019 02:03 Onegu wrote: A mafia who was literally scum reading only town. Every single person he scum read has flipped town. I am the only one that hasn’t flipped but I am green. So all his scum reads are town, and the only person he hard defends is chez? This is a terrible argument that is so chock full of speculation. The only thing we know about BC is that he was scum. His reads are interesting to look at but we should absolutely not be lynching off them. | ||
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Then who is scum if none of those three are? | ||
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This is mostly directed at onegu | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:24 Onegu wrote: I have responded to everyone. I just didn’t want to talk about acro until he made things clear. As his shot is the most suspicious to me currently. I wasn’t avoiding shit.... Why is acros shot somehow more suspicious than Pandain? | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:28 Onegu wrote: If we go by shot it’s not. Acros shot looks much better than Pandains. But I don’t know why a scum Pandain move his vote from town ace to sent. Why not just let ace die there if he is scum? Did scum even know if he was the traitor? I kinda glossed over the discussion last time it happened but I thought the consensus was he knew the scum but they didn't know him. | ||
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On March 14 2019 03:47 Acrofales wrote: Ok. Where's the tubesock case. I agree with ExO_ that the worst he did was stop playing when his internet went out. It's not great, but it's just shit that happens. Show me tubescum, or I'm gonna keep hollering until we're lynching onegu (I accept a DF lynch too). This And I'm most interested to hear lightning strikes take since he's also against a pandain lynch. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:09 Vivax wrote: His reads post is just a big fluffed up post screaming scum. And I already picked out two reads from them that had no real basis. Why are you and jock null and DF is reddish bcuz PoE? These aren't mistakes they are just fake reads. I just read his entire filter and I agree with his reads more than yours. EBWOP: Specifically he has rels, DF, and Pandain red. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:27 Vivax wrote: Either way MZ. I don't care if you agree with his reads, but saying that you aren't convinced because no one but LS is pushing for his lynch brought me out to post here. So don't deflect to your own opinion of his reads. Well so glad you decide to participate instead of observe. I was not deflecting, I was straight up commenting on the merits of his lynch. You're trying to kill him for his reads post and I think its a bad case because I agree with a lot of his reads. | ||
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And if you're hardtowning claims then why not hardtown Rels whose role is confirmed (NAI tho) | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:32 Vivax wrote: And you ruled out he started bussing upon having a majority wagon on him because? You call what he's doing right now bussing? And let me get this straight, because he's about to die he's just gonna hard bus his entire team? I don't buy that for a second. Besides for you to believe he's bussing you'd have to agree with his reads which I don't think you do. Actually the more I think about your line of logic there the worse it gets. | ||
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Example Case 1 s I spoiler each list post: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Example Case 2: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Example Case 3: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote: In case I die. Town Soren / Holyflare Breshke Prplhz Rsoultin Half the Sky Jarjarbinks The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that. Nulls Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him. Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him. Mafia TheBloodyDwarf - duh! Example Case 4: + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote: headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time: Towns: Kush Shape Slam Marvish Ricey jat If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them. for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish Dr Thrawn Etellex Mig (modkill though?) Palmar Example Case 5: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least: Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) Example Case 6: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote: So, Bats and Fecal mafia. then 2 in Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam. Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes. I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town. I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know. Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer. Lmao these all look very similar to me. Gonna have to find a better meta read fam. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:43 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1,2,3 was Mafia Tubesock the others were Town Tubesock he does actually put more words on his list posts as scum This is really not helping your case dude. They look very similar in both tone and formatting. | ||
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On March 14 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote: I mean really at this point it should be obvious I'm town. 1. Day vig- usually town, I shot (at the very least) an anti town player. 2. Led the lynch away from town ace 3. Led the lynch towards sentinel. If I keep hearing people fos me it's hard to take seriously anymore if you're actually town. And starting to get scummy. No thats not how this works. You don't get to magically clear yourself. Lead a lynch on a few more scum and I may rethink it but that shot was garbage with plenty of scum motivation and your play has been lacking. I'm not pushing you hard yet bc I have stronger reads to work through but you don't get a hall pass. | ||
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You don't have me as scum? You almost the same reads I do? I think my play so far justifies a null read on me, that's why I haven't jumped down the throats of the many people who have called me scum lol. I'm town, as long as we're lynching people I think are scum in a lylo situation I'm good with people reading me however they please. | ||
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On March 15 2019 03:07 Vivax wrote: Any last words MZ Your time to lynch me was yesterday lol, I was happy to flip in a non lylo situation. | ||
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Mostly because of his breadcrumb. I know that's not the strongest reasoning in the world but on a potential lylo lynch I'd rather not take chances. I also think his play is consistent with a survivor type role. | ||
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Looking at all these different wagons that pop up between myself, onegu, DF, and Mocsta strongly makes me suspect that people are trying really hard to prevent an oats lynch without looking like they are. | ||
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On March 17 2019 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote: or that acro is wrong and people can see it. you know the right reason Considering that your scum list rn is wiggles + the people voting you, I have a feeling acro is right and the people who have been pushing alternatives (DF, Pandain, even maybe LS) are scum. Although LS might just be really dumb. | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: FecalFeast On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Darthfoley On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Onegu On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Maepak_Zipph This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:02 Oatsmaster wrote: exo and slam are also my scumreads and they arent voting me so MZ you are just wrong man On March 16 2019 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote: also just wanna say wow what a lovely list of town people on my wagon. So this wasn't sarcasm? bc that's how I read it. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote: obviously sarcasm but you did say that i had no scumreads outside of my wagon and wriggles. Are you reading your own filter? You have done nothing productive to push an exo or slam lynch. Your one contribution has been to scum read wiggles which is a very johnny come lately push. Where were you when I wanted to lynch wiggles like half a week ago? Wiggles since then has been active and clearly giving good reads, the justification of killing him based on dead townies was no longer sufficient days ago. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote: I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago. I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive. Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube? | ||
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On March 14 2019 15:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Concerned parent Grackaroni calls in with the following: Firstly, let us assure you that the Dead Zone Show is one of the most wholesome radio programs available to the citizens of Liquidia, and we try to stay focused on the hot issues of the day affecting our society. We do our best to deliver quality entertainment, so if we are failing in this regard, we apologise. Now, as for your question, we have the following opinions after filter-diving (or at least skimming) the above: Mocsta: Overall reads as town to me, based on behavioural reasons. Lots of Mocsta's reads have been pretty out there or novel. There's also been lots of progression in the reads that doesn't look like scum. Mocsta will go out and accuse someone, throw some crap around, and then end up changing the read organically as the thread moves forward or more information is revealed. I don't see scum putting themselves out there that much or making themselves stick out like that. I don't like the recent preoccupation with 3P/SK and kill analysis, but that's more because I think it's a waste of effort than scum-motivated. Jockmcplop: Null to scum lean. We liked his play in the early stages of the game, but to us lately it's been becoming more scummy. The last while has seemed really tentative and timid compared to the earlier play that was a bit fearless. The posts from the last day have read more like they're probing to get a sense of town sentiment before committing to a read. This seems like scum that's getting nervous and doesn't know how to play or blend coming in to the mid game where there's less room to hide. I'll temper the read based on the fact that this is allegedly Jock's first game, so maybe the nerves are for a different reason, but it's coming off more as scum than inexperience now. Rels: Rels is a weird one because of the mason stuff. Rsoultin was masoned and outed Rels for thinking they're scum, and then LS was masoned and seems to have a town read on Rels (I think?). There's some weirdness going on here, where the Rels/Rsoultin stuff doesn't seem to match up with the apparent effort that's going on now with LS (based on stuff LS is saying in thread). This gives me some strange vibes. Looking through the filter, it's not great. Lots of soft posting without many hard stances, besides pushing Ace and then Chez in the last couple cycles. Besides that, there's a lack content, even with lots of posts. There's maybe some stuff going on in the QT now with LS, but I don't like that reads are coming out through LS about stuff like Onegu, MZ, and TS and not from Rels himself via his posting in the thread. He doesn't seem to be publicly pushing the same stuff that he's feeding to LS. Decent chance to flip scum. Oatsmaster: Null to scum read, similar strength to Jock. Looking through the filter was pretty hard. There's lots of random commentary and questions that don't seem to accomplish much or go anywhere. Lots of their scum reads come on hard seem to drop pretty soon thereafter. Reads a lot like Oats is throwing crap at the wall and looking for what might stick. Maybe that's a good way to look for reactions pretty early in the game, but coming in to this stage, it doesn't really add too much. I'm not familiar with meta any more, so maybe this is Oats' normal play? Overall, I'd contrast Oats' play to Mocsta's where the latter's shows a more clear progression in the reads compared to Oats, even if they similarly try to push their own reads regardless of town sentiment. Mocsta's reads a lot more like town trying to scumhunt compared to Oats. On March 14 2019 16:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your hosts here at the Dead Zone Show would like to make their reads more clear. Most of this should have reasoning in our filter, besides a couple town reads we haven't mentioned and the null/uncertains. This is where people currently stand from strongest to weakest read in each category on the Liquidia Hot Singles list: Town: Mr. Wiggles (I know my role!) Pandain (HF shot + Sent push + posting) Acrofales (Had this read for a while, posting) LightningStrike (#1 Dead Zone Show fan) Grackaroni (Posting) Vivax (Posting) Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam (To make slam feel happy and included )Null or not paid a ton of attention to: Fecalfeast (Claim is not confirmed, but not worth looking at as a lynch yet) sicklucker ExO_ Scum: Jockmcplop Oatsmaster Rels darthfoley Onegu tubesock I like these two posts although I would replace you with Pandain or FF on his scum list. | ||
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On March 17 2019 04:20 Oatsmaster wrote: obviously I havent, I cant push all of my scumreads into lynches. I was lynching Holyflare because you wanted to somehow convert 1 vote into 12 votes? I wasn't asking you to lol, i voted for my top scum reads for the first few days as well. However now in a potential lylo with you under the gun you've not really done anything to show why your reads should be getting lynched instead of yourself. | ||
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On March 17 2019 05:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Because he doesn’t want to lynch me anymore? We are at a game state where mafia 100% want to lynch me so anyone who doesn’t want to lynch me is immediately like way more townie So either the people who want you dead are or aren't scum, which is it oats? Bc at this point you've said both things in the past few hours. | ||
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On March 17 2019 05:49 Oatsmaster wrote: You may have got it, we aren’t lynching mz today to vote for wriggles, the guy mz is defending So where was this lynch wiggles gusto like a week ago oats? You still haven't talked about that. And now that wiggles has actually contributed you want to kill him? It just does not add up. | ||
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On March 17 2019 06:10 Rels wrote: What about these? I think that looks more 3p than anything else, hes not calling anyone scum just throwing out a statement that sounds protownish but won't really help or hurt anything. | ||
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On March 15 2019 00:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this. On March 15 2019 00:54 Onegu wrote: I am 3p survivor. Don’t really care who I win with, plz don’t Lynch me... On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn. Look at the time stamps? | ||
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On March 17 2019 07:43 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone up for an Exo shannie? All he done this game just keep poping up EoD and not really do much. Holy shit you can't be serious. Did you learn nothing last EOD? | ||
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On March 15 2019 00:15 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I royally fucked up EoD mainly even with his seal his claim was becoming more unbelievable for me honestly. Repeat this to yourself for the next 13 minutes and then we can talk after Oats flips red | ||
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welp LS is going to try to lynch me tomorrow. Do you wanna try and lynch Pandain with me? You are the only other person who has been calling him out. | ||
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I think town was too quick to kill active voices. A few times I got accused of TMI for calling BH/HF and others town but I couldn't help but feel like we got into a lot of TvT and evem TvTvT situations. That said, despite the thread length I really didn't feel like this game was that long. Previously when I played, threads would feel like swamps to read through but every time I would filter dive one of the active players I would come away with a sense they were contributing well and not just spamming. That was what made people like Pandain and BC stick out. I really hope this isn't the end of TL Mafia. I've played on and off here for almost 9 years and this place was sort of a haven for me when I was growing up. I like all the vets who showed up and had fun getting to know the new people I hadn't played with. I felt like the thread atmosphere was a lot of fun and I'd love to see us run a game maybe once a quarter or so, that way people don't get burned out and also have a chance to block out their schedules to play. | ||
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On March 18 2019 02:57 darthfoley wrote: Yes, that was intentional on my part. I knew that me pushing you would make you even more confident that Oats was scum. I don't blame you That was well done. I was super confident about Pandain and when you started to say the same stuff he did it really helped me make up my mind between you and exo. Of course by that point my town cred was shot so I was just happy to sheep acro and with y'all pushing me for the counter lynch I was sure we were on the right track. | ||
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Oats actually hit the nail on the head when he said "I'm active therefore I'm town" I almost unvoted him there but I didn't really have any other options. | ||
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On March 18 2019 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah i am not, i just cant deal with games where mafia makes more posts 1hr into post game than all real game. I call them no-games because they are no games. I mean back when I played a lot, townies would preach about how lynching lurkers was a bad thing and to "just leave them to vigis." If town isn't going to put real pressure on lurkers then why shouldn't scum lurk too. | ||
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