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I'd play if you have the lowest expectations of commitment from me. I'm working on some projects irl (including a Mafia project!) so I won't be able to read the entire thread and pay attention like before.
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On February 26 2019 05:11 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2019 11:26 Ace wrote: I'd play if you have the lowest expectations of commitment from me. I'm working on some projects irl (including a Mafia project!) so I won't be able to read the entire thread and pay attention like before. what's the mafia project, if i may ask?
A YouTube channel. With solid production values of course.
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/in
Probably won't be too active except when I'm at work with downtime
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Is there any power the Mayor has besides having a Day 1 lunch?
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I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
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On March 03 2019 02:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check). sounds like a retarded plan to me.
Why
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On March 03 2019 03:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 03:26 Ace wrote:On March 03 2019 02:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check). sounds like a retarded plan to me. Why You want to give a power to a player who you have no idea who is town or scum. And if the player is bad they might do something stupid if they are town. The goal is to lynch scum nothing more.
Only some of us started this game knowing who is town so that premise is moot. I think you should give those players a chance to reveal their motives. You've been asking people about reads already - this idea jives right along with where you supposedly want to go.
If the player is bad, then say so and we'll pick a better person with the potential to positively contribute.
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Holyflare is absolutely hilarious. He/she gets my vote.
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BTW, if Sentinel doesn't read his role PM leave him for the Mayor Lynch and unvote him in the voting thread. Nezt best suspects should be considered instead. I actually think there is merit to HF stating people voting for Palmar over him when they have similar ideas on who to lunch (Sentinel).
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Uhhh *lynch.
Basically if they have similar ideas on who should be lynched and HF came up with the idea first(not sure, have to re-read) then why is Palmar gaining more support than he/she is. Could be nothing but I think this is one of the few real "divisive" issues that can show scum motives that we've had so far.
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On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
@Acrofales: *nod*.
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On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder. My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
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On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise
Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁
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On March 04 2019 05:57 Grackaroni wrote:Also pretty dumb idea that I had, but this post is weird: Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check). If Tumble/Tube are actually scum there is a non-trivial chance that he just wanted to slip in the names of teammates into a post.
I think you should ask on what premise would I want to skip scum mates into the post for Mayoral candidates and then avoid seriously pushing them.
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On March 04 2019 06:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 was your mayor plan a bait?
No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time.
Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good.
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Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁
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@holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments.
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On March 05 2019 05:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote: Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next. I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh.
Dang homie. I remember you being fun to play with. Don't give up so early ^_^
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Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
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On March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on. Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
Define trying
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On March 05 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:13 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on. Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of? Define trying Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts
Might want to read that carefully champ. I didn't address you or anyone else. Just Blazinghand.
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On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
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On March 05 2019 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet. Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia. Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better. Still no comprendo. Me no speak English. He wants you to pad his ego. Hey ace why koshi?
Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD.
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@Trfel you're close to being lynched by deadline. Claim.
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On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
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@BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop.
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Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
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On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?
Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
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On March 05 2019 10:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace. Holyflare (15): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_
Thanks. Add some more colors to my name. I love variety.
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On March 05 2019 10:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. ??????????????????????????? I quite categorically laid out that I was going to lynch palmar for at least 1/3 of the cycle if not more. At every opportunity and also in my giant wall of scum reads I had put palmar as mafia and the bottom of my list and Sentinel not even in the mafia category. If you thought anyone other than Palmar or someone in my scum reads was getting lynched then you were sorely mistaken. If you wanted a Sentinel lynch then voting for me over the guy who solely proclaimed "we are lynching Sentinel and only Sentinel" a myriad of times is completely on you and is actually quite bad that you voted against that.
I didn't "want to lynch Sentinel". I was looking at YOU wanting to lynch Sentinel. Just because you talked all 1/3rd of the day about lynching Palmar doesn't means your reasons were actually legit. You don't even feel sorry for doing it.
@damdred: He ran his platform on lynching Sentinel. He did not have popular support for lynching Palmar. Either way I'm not going to harsh on this with either of you anymore. I made a mistake voting for HF because I didn't think he'd lynch the guy.
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Holyflare is Scum
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive
in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler.
Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum.
Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day.
The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on
Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
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On March 06 2019 09:51 sicklucker wrote: also one of rayn and holyflare is always mafia here. the other kept the other alive for obv reasons. they suck each others thumbs
Can you explain this reasoning more?
On March 06 2019 09:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:46 AMG wrote:On March 06 2019 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:00 Mocsta wrote: Koshi + AMG i reckon.
AMG is a good player Could have fooled me. Now youre just being rude. This didnt happen by accident: On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: TL Mafia Database
Overall Win Percentage (Minimum 15 games) 1) Adam4167 11/15 = 73.3333%
Town Win Percentage (Minimum 10 games) 1) Adam4167 9/12 = 75.0000%
Do you plan to be a jerk all game? Do you think you've done anything this game worthy of being shot after you have replaced in? I don't think so, especially over the people that actually got shot. It's not an insult to you, I don't know how you play at all. You have even specifically said your play is inhibited by real life so why is this me being a jerk and not just realistic? Sorry if you got offended.
Lol. I mean, come on.
On March 06 2019 10:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:49 sicklucker wrote: whoever the vig is probably shot iamp or marv both had a little shade on them and some rambo shennagan user like ff or dandred could have easily done it. IF hf is claiming vig this makes it very easy Why in the world would a potential vig shoot outside of HF/BH?
Dang IKR.
On March 06 2019 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop the speculation. Probably scum kp, leave it at that.
Ugh my short lived boner has been killed
Scum having 4 KP? Or 3 KP plus a 1 shot? Why wouldn't you speculate on this? Best to figure out what are plausible roles in the game with our limited information. We have another set of bad day/night and we might as well start thinking about a mass claim.
On March 06 2019 10:12 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I'm going to stick around for the next 5 hours or so and see what I can find.
I need to see cooler heads prevail here even though I think HF is a dumbass. I have nothing against lynching Palmar day 1. I just think that Palmar's posts this game were pretty obviously high quality posts ignoring his name.
HF is probably not mafia. Early in the day multiple people said that he was a worse mayor choice than Palmar because he was liable to do something stupid. I knew he would do something stupid. His ego tells him that the only way that Palmar can have more votes than him is if Palmar is mafia. To no surprise he does something stupid. There is maybe a 10% chance that HF makes a calculated play as mafia to get rid of Palmar knowing he can talk his way out of the lynch the next day.
K, let's pretend Holyflare really did think this is true. Is it too much of a stretch to say these 2 events have to also exist:
1.) Holyflare thinks Palmar is scum, and is also being boosted by Scum votes
2.) Holyflare accuses and actually pushes the people on the Palmar wagon more than anywhere else, showing he really thinks there is a scum party.
If this does not happen, then he doesn't really think Palmar is Mafia. At least not for the reason listed here.
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On March 06 2019 10:23 sicklucker wrote: well usualy things like cop vig doctor veteran are needed for town to win mafia games. we have none of those anymore and no mafia killed. if we dont kill a mafia tonight were 8-9 town down with little power roles you do the math
On March 06 2019 10:24 Holyflare wrote: I think we easily have a few more days left, like 3 or something. What are mafia powers gonna do against no roles? Nothing.
On March 06 2019 10:25 Holyflare wrote: Claiming vig would be the dumbest thing anybody could do right now, please don't do it.
Well, Scum don't really need that many power roles to stomp town so 1st quote from HF is just eh. We also don't know what PRs they have as it's a closed setup. The 2nd quote is damn sensible though.
On March 06 2019 10:38 Holyflare wrote: Would appreciate if we could get some vote analysis and scum reads going on guys, that'd be good.
Motherfucker...gotta admit. I like his style.
On March 06 2019 10:41 Holyflare wrote: also how in the fuck if BH is mafia am I mafia? I'm the one that orchestrated the start of the lynch BH wagon
Sentinel, BH, Palmar. Damn broski, just pulling names out a hat huh?
On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him?
On March 06 2019 10:51 Onegu wrote: Can we lynch rsoultin or damdred. Rsoul for her terrible read of me. And Damdred for TMI I really hated that post.
I definitely missed this. Which post in particular?
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On March 06 2019 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meapak, if youre town (which is someghing i am willing to entertain) then acrofales must always be mafia.
What's the reasoning for this? If already explained I missed it.
On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace.
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On March 06 2019 11:28 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 11:18 Tumblewood wrote:On March 06 2019 11:15 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 11:13 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have concluded that HF is mafia. because how bad does mafia have to be to get 0 scum in contention for mayor Do you think mafia are going to win against a palmar/hf mayor campaign? I don't think so. i find it hard to believe that with probably 6 or 7 votes mafia could not even get someone in contention. because other than you and confirmed flipped townies the highest vote getter was literally chezinu you say literally chezinu... I'm sooo torn.... compliment or insult.... TROLOLOLOL I thought Chezinu's honesty was a sure town tell. You know how he admitted how he run for mayor solely because of the title and not necessarily because he had a great plan to lead the town. But.. yeah.. At least HF said he was go with the majority of town with his vote. He was playing it politically. You see Palmer actually had stances. Unless this chanced. I haven't read too much of the new pages. But yeah, Chezinu's purpose is more fully fulfilled in a non-mayoral role. He is the bait.
What's going on homie? I know you usually only respond to poetic motions or role play, but if you're not scum we'll need you. The bolded tho? Was that his actual stance at any point Day 1?
On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end.
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https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311
Mocsta I like your post :D
Firstly, I got mod prodded.
Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect.
Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel.
Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post!
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On March 06 2019 17:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC" HMMMMMM Also you're one of those HF lurker voters... On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes. You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters. Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job. Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking... So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either). You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him. Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it. When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
yikes
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.
R.O.F.L.
That second bolded though. Explain. Really :D. I don't see how a person who mostly wanted to kill himself would reveal more information on someone with strong opinions and an actual action we can tie to them.
On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 17:28 Mocsta wrote: Hf
Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.
You definitely did not read Mocsta's post then. How many accusations did I make, to whom?, and how would you know they are false?
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On March 07 2019 13:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 13:32 Ace wrote:https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27285311Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left ##UnvoteWork with us on acro pls
I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time.
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On March 06 2019 18:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:he did have this to say HF On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
That's not what I'm talking about though. He needs to answer why he didn't vote you over koshi and also how he got my stance on palmar so incredibly wrong. If he knew I had a "not good" reason to lynch palmar then he knew I scum read palmar all along and would likely follow through with the lynch. After all, he's who I wrote the most about in my reads list.
On March 06 2019 18:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:23 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 18:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 18:00 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 17:59 rsoultin wrote: real talk HF is part of why you think Ace isn't scum because it's mocsta bringing the case? No I just think Ace isn't stupid. so to confirm Ita got nothing to do with that i initiated.... Cos its funny u can apply heuristics to him and then expect diff from me Cos ur case on me was about "stupid" inconsistencies Again. Its yes or no Do u really see town motivation in his 2page filter? My case on you was about something you said that didn't appear in any of the filters i read and also the total disconnect between you voting conversion with palmar (for a really bad case) after just raging at palmar and then having no qualms being on my mayor wagon when I said I'd lynch palmar My read on ace is that he's up to something and the negative points on him are either him not reading the thread or him playing some kind of reaction test. The point i do follow is his koshi vote which was bad. I want to see what he has to say. understood Im curious why u state he may not be reading the thread. His position on trfel jndicates hr was reading very closely? As for me.. why cant i just have not read carefully. I was equally busy and entered the gamr at a much higher page count Dont tell me its forum vet special pass... You said you didn't read the thread and only filter dived and then magically came out with a read on acro that didn't exist in any of the places you said it appeared. That's completely different. Ace is reading the thread but doesn't know I said I'd lynch palmar over sentinel? Does that make sense to you?
Oh hi. Just because you [b]have a reason[b] for calling someone Scum doesn't mean it's a sensible reason. I really may have missed the connections that outlined it but for argument's sake just direct me to where it was laid out.
Also I'm willing to blank out all of Day 1. But you're play Post Night 1 also screams scum to me. So there's that issue. I can abandon the Mayor thoughts entirely and you still don't fit the "this is Town" puzzle for me.
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On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town
I just caught this, and I feel like this is a needle in townish direction, especially since I read it after the post I made quoting this from HF. Could be scum BH but way more probable a Townie makes this most post. Fuck, I feel like most of my posts are anti-HF and I'm tunneling too hard and looking for confirmation bias :/
*sees HF reply to this post*
So much WIFOM spam, Town hero fallacy, and guilt tripping. Nah fuck that. Keep the lynch train going. Just too many things that push HF into obvious scum.
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote: + I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?
Legit LOL. I know for a fact BC nearly slammed his skull into the computer. Even if he's scum writing this he's like WTF?
On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:43 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 18:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote: + I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. .... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously? whats ur read on ace He calls u scumclobber TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with.
What when? Really I can't remember
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game.
Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Clearly I'm reading this after asking for Acro case so I know some people think Acro is scum. However, I can't wrap my head around the first part of this post. Acro being angry at the guy who carried out the action more than the voters is pretty logical for a Townie to do. I myself have currently not mentioned the HF voters even though I'm aware they should be scrutinized even if HF flips Town (scum believing he would really kill Palmar and pile on).
Besides, you are also on the HF Mayor wagon. In fact, you're #1 . You want Acro to be angry at you? Because if he did show anger at you post vote this is downright alarming post central.
On March 06 2019 18:54 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game.
Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. What a worthless post, lol.
It actually isn't. You of all people should get the most out of it.
Page 206 is a shitfest.
On March 06 2019 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Ace looks like someone who's encouraging everyone to meta read him as town. Just from subtle posts like this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:08 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 05:01 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote: Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next. I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh. Dang homie. I remember you being fun to play with. Don't give up so early ^_^ Don't do it. Just look at the filter. The guy is scum.
If there is one person on this forum who will not play by meta it's me. I don't encourage anyone to meta read me.
Going to stop at page 207. Tomorrow I'll answer anything from my comeback in the thread around page 239 or so. I doubt I need to move my vote from Holyfield, but I am interested in hearing other cases (will read Acro stuff tomorrow).
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WoS stop overthinking things. Everyone, I've outlined posts that show my suspicion of Holyfi...er Holyflare. I've even made said I find him scummy ignoring Day 1.
There is no point in lynching BH for information. The one thing that must be resolved before Day 3 is HF.
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On March 07 2019 23:05 Rels wrote: I confirm that I'm Mason and that I used my power on rsoul N1
1 shot Mason that gets to pick a partner or is it Mason where mod confirms alignment of who you pick?
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On March 07 2019 23:29 Holyflare wrote: Can someone make me a vote count list please?
You really can't help but admire this guy's ability to post so much yet ask for other people to do work. I love the scummines 🤗
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On March 08 2019 01:01 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: Blazinghand
Prob wont be able to be around till basically EoD.
Mostly Sheeping, but of the 2? posts from BH I have read I got weird vibes so yea... seems fine. Only concern is that Mr. Wiggles is leading the wagon, but I have no time to look at things myself so, yea.
Wow.
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Hey guys, Tick Tock just said he's scum voting a guy with only 2 posts read because he got weird vibes.
Whatever. We lynch Holyflare first.
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On March 08 2019 01:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 01:13 Ace wrote: Hey guys, Tick Tock just said he's scum voting a guy with only 2 posts read because he got weird vibes.
Whatever. We lynch Holyflare first. Better than a guy voting me who doesn't even know what I've written to be honest
Actually I've read your recent posts. Very entertaining stuff, made me laugh quite a few times. Me, you and Caller in Scum QT years ago would have been fun times😁
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Btw guys let's try and not piss people off. It is the allegedly last game on the forum. Have some fun and keep it respectful.
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@acro: that reply was for tube. He's missing a pretty big logical conclusion in that post of his.
@rayne: I came back last night and posted my thoughts. You're welcome to read them whenever you feel the need to do so.
@Rels: damn this game is I interesting indeed
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On March 08 2019 02:27 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 00:34 Ace wrote: WoS stop overthinking things. Everyone, I've outlined posts that show my suspicion of Holyfi...er Holyflare. I've even made said I find him scummy ignoring Day 1.
There is no point in lynching BH for information. The one thing that must be resolved before Day 3 is HF. hey ace could you explain the bolded part
Yes. This was a continuation of thoughts from last night. There is nothing strong to tie BH to that a flip will reveal. His crime that I gathered is Day 1 apathy and suspicion over his wagon. Neither of these are lynching because he is Scum, nor are they shown to be scum motivated actions. If there are posts about it I missed it and I'll read.
HF has many more actions about him that shows scum motivation. Most was posted last night but all in all it shows HF is not reading the thread to figure things out, he's reading to reply. Mocsta asked him about something in reference to me and he made up a story about what I did. When asked to clarify he conveniently afked 😋.
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On March 08 2019 02:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:19 Ace wrote: @acro: that reply was for tube. He's missing a pretty big logical conclusion in that post of his.
@rayne: I came back last night and posted my thoughts. You're welcome to read them whenever you feel the need to do so.
@Rels: damn this game is I interesting indeed But I'm the one who said it was worthless. Not tube. Tube made the post, so I presume he didn't think it was worthless. The conclusion that's missing is presumably in the bit below the line? Because the conclusion of the first part is at the start, below the non-sequiturs start.
I'll try to explain my thought process. Tube says you should be angry at the HF voters, not HF himself. This is already out of tone for me but it's the second part that catches my eye.
I go to the votes to see who voted for HF Mayor. The very first vote on the wagon...is Tube.
If Tube feels you should be angry at HF voters, how is he missing that you not being angry at him is a pretty significant question? If I legit think this should be the case I'd be asking you about opinions concerning me.
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On March 08 2019 02:53 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 02:43 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 02:27 Tumblewood wrote:On March 08 2019 00:34 Ace wrote: WoS stop overthinking things. Everyone, I've outlined posts that show my suspicion of Holyfi...er Holyflare. I've even made said I find him scummy ignoring Day 1.
There is no point in lynching BH for information. The one thing that must be resolved before Day 3 is HF. hey ace could you explain the bolded part Yes. This was a continuation of thoughts from last night. There is nothing strong to tie BH to that a flip will reveal. His crime that I gathered is Day 1 apathy and suspicion over his wagon. Neither of these are lynching because he is Scum, nor are they shown to be scum motivated actions. If there are posts about it I missed it and I'll read. HF has many more actions about him that shows scum motivation. Most was posted last night but all in all it shows HF is not reading the thread to figure things out, he's reading to reply. Mocsta asked him about something in reference to me and he made up a story about what I did. When asked to clarify he conveniently afked 😋. do you not get info from knowing whether the D1 lynch wagon was TvT or SvT?
You do. But you don't want to kill BH unless you really think he is more likely to flip scum than HF outside of wanting to know this. It's possible they're both scum together - but HF is the more probable scum to me.
@HF: You like to filter dive. It's in my replies last night. The one where you said I had all these accusations and when I asked you toward whom you didn't state it. However, you answered Mocsta's post as if you saw these events actually happen.
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On March 08 2019 03:11 Tubesock wrote: Ace, if I think someone is faking their rage I doubt I could care less if they were mad at me too.
If you think the rage is fake, then them not being fake mad at you for being on the wagon is my point. Unless you think they're terrible scum don't you see they'd at least go to the trouble, see you on the wagon they should be mad at, and try to push you as a suspect for that reason?
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On March 08 2019 03:20 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 03:13 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 03:11 Tubesock wrote: Ace, if I think someone is faking their rage I doubt I could care less if they were mad at me too. If you think the rage is fake, then them not being fake mad at you for being on the wagon is my point. Unless you think they're terrible scum don't you see they'd at least go to the trouble, see you on the wagon they should be mad at, and try to push you as a suspect for that reason? If he’d have done that I probably would have thought it was less fake and maybe towned him for it. But he only went on about HF and called him stupid and retarded and whatever. He may have spoken about the electors once? Twice? Nothing compared to the vitriol he spewed at HF. And frankly I think we should punish that behavior. Stupid or mafia? So basically Acro was towning HF the entire time. Plus, my other point that seems you missed was that the rage he showed was more fitting if HF did that out of the blue, not been saying he would for 24+ odd hours. I didn't miss your other point in that post. Just only wanted to comment on that exchange and the what I saw as a missing conclusion. All good though 👌
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Hey guys - stop saying there's no chance you'll lynch HolyScum so you'll start another wagon. Just keep your vote on him and let the lynch go through
Focus!
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I will say I'm kind of rooting for this lynch to fail just to see the WIFOM bombs, blame game, and hilarious posts that will come from it 🤣
Fuck if Holyfield survives another day/night cycle 🤦🏼♂️
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On March 08 2019 06:26 Holyflare wrote: I'll finish it tonight after I've eaten and when I survive today's lynch.
What are you having?
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On March 08 2019 07:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2019 06:47 Holyflare wrote:On March 08 2019 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Good lord I actually hate the entire list of people on the BH wagon.
Hf, thoughts? Who specifically do you hate on the BH wagon? I feel overwhelmingly the opposite. Wiggles/exo/rsoul/amg/sentinel Haven't looked into the 'T' s much Holyfield Im waiting Who do you feel the same about?
Dude his name is Holyflare show some respect
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Imagine the vote being this critical, and not having one on HF or BH. Then not actively pushing the person who your vote is on. Why don't mods let me be multishot vigi 🤦🏼♂️
Wow Kita I thought we were cooler than this
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Jock is an obvious vigi shot. Good post though. Figuring out who's posting under an alias in the Scum QT is excellent detective work.
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This game is fucking hilarious
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Probably 5 townies dying and most of the player base chasing their own reads before resolving one problem has some feeling helpless
Poor BloodyCobbler. I wonder how much rage he's holding back 🤔
And where the fuck is Chezinu?
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Lol the Day 3 posts from Holyfield are gonna be a nightmare. WIFOM wagon incoming 🤢
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Sooooo is a vigi going to shoot Holyfield for once?
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I didn't find him to be scummy enough. Secondly I was concerned with getting HF lynched. I think you should try to solve one issue at a time before jumping on to other things. It's clear as day HF is scum but I guess you guys need to be entertained 🤷🏾♂️
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On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
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On March 08 2019 12:55 LightningStrike wrote: At least the bh flip gave us TvT on Day 1.
Always a shit match up. TvP was much better.
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Not in terms of HF. I also had a pretty obvious Town lean on BH so the info doesn't make me think differently. I don't really look at it as TvT but more so any wagon was opportunity as long as you could vote without having to give any real stance.
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Wow Vivax train incoming? You guys are such bullshitters. Can a vigi just please empty the clip on all these people and bring clarity to the game?
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On March 08 2019 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum. Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment. It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason: + Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting. The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles. BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say.
We are not lynching BC
@Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏
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Lol @ Jock's post. Having a short filter, not throwing around a lot of accusations, and....asking a question but not answering it (umm...duh?) makes me scum.
I really do not believe any vigi reading that post would let you live. Its just random shit thrown at a wall to look active 😁
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On March 09 2019 00:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 00:26 Ace wrote: Lol @ Jock's post. Having a short filter, not throwing around a lot of accusations, and....asking a question but not answering it (umm...duh?) makes me scum.
I really do not believe any vigi reading that post would let you live. Its just random shit thrown at a wall to look active 😁 So do you believe jock is scum?
Yes. Said so yesterday too. Go go gadget gun!
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There are follow ups to that plan. I've explained it - the Mayor vote was just a way for me to tie any of the candidates to a strong stance and on whom to lynch. Whatever action they took or wouldn't take after making that stance clear determined my approach to them.
Once I found HFs reasons for killing Palmar ridiculous he was Scum for me. Day 2, even when forgetting all of Day 1 also read Scum for me. Middle of Day 2, let's say 8 hours or so before EoD HFs wagon is getting derailed. It's not even just the moronic votes for BH either. You have people making cases as reasons to vote for anyone but HF lol. While it seems easy to say Blazinghand was more probable to flip Town than Scum, I can somewhat see people thinking he's a good lynch if they are to totally lost on to what's going on. However, some of that lynch BH stuff came from people active in the thread. Which shows that they are reading the thread but not for comprehension . And you don't need to check the voting times to see it either. But killing HF is step 1.
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On March 09 2019 00:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: And it's rather obvious HF is bussing Jock as of now. But guess what, he'll probably spend most of the day tomorrow doing distancing, moving people to jock and at deadline he'll just try to move everyone to some random lynch bait using sentiment as he always did. Vivax in order to be productive I'm gonna ask you to go with the assumption HF is town at least for tomorrow so we don't waste another day of jubjub debate. What are your thoughts on a wiggles/fecalfeast/damdred lynch?
Rofl
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We have a vigi or some sort of town aligned killing role. You don't think mods expect us to correctly lynch all the time for scum death right?
One of our vigis shot town N1.
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And yes Mocsta before you mention it there is possibly 3rd party KP and I could be 3rd party.
O shit I just outted myself 🤦🏼♂️
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On March 09 2019 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Why are people trying to figure out what blues there still are at night?
Because they're likely Town trying to figure out the game.
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On March 09 2019 03:39 Vivax wrote: He was like "oh bh is martyring, probably town" to "oh, bh is playing the game like he's meant to, probably scum"
You're actually reading posts? Brave man.
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Well I can't do what I want correctly and may not be around before EoN so I'll try and get everything out now 😋.
First just some general thoughts. If we do not see a Scum death tonight and the 3KP holds up, we are starting Day 3 with at most 26 alive. Looking at it that way my previous post about KP is easily incorrect 😁. They really do probably need that much KP or 3rd party to wittle down 19/20 remaining people (doubt there are more than 6 scum in this game). That's in addition to town KP.
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
Additionally for cops, it's about to be Day 3 which means if you live you got off 2 investigations. If no Scum are dead going into the Day I think you should consider revealing results. Especially true if you've found scum. If you can clear Town that's also just as good. Some ppl would say hold your investigation unless your check is being lynched and you can't save them through discussion. There's also the belief of waiting till near deadline or late into the next night to reveal stuff. Whatever path you want to take do not let a known innocent die, a known scum escape the noose, or die without revealing your stuff. We've already lost 6 people as of this post and based on the discussion going on I'd only trust maybe 3 people to figure shit out.
Now as for what I'm going to do. Check it out:
Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow. I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
Oh shit I was rambling whoops. Back to that BH wagon. I'd cross reference it for the HF vote wagon but I think that should be the last thing to do. Instead I'm going to check the timing of their vote, look at where they showed reasoning for the vote in the thread and see what was going on in the thread at the time. For example that one scummer that showed up, said he read 2 of BHs posts, would be gone, and just voted and really did lay low. Some will say that's just bad Town play but I dont think all but the worst players couldn't be bothered to read more than two posts from someone they suspect.
So that's the way I'm going to go about this. Deadline is in about 4 hours so hopefully I'll be free to get this done. If there is anything you can take from this post if you can't read: vote Ace for Mayor 😎
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WoS has so much dirt on his shovel lol
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I've never made a post about votes on the wagon, the nature of the lynch, or even why I thought BH was innocent in depth. You didn't even read the post.
Caught lying again 😂
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Scumvax lying about Google eh? 🤔
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
BC
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On March 09 2019 09:04 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh....
Well that's something. Nice shot acro. Should have shot me We can lynch you instead.
lol nice
On March 09 2019 09:04 LightningStrike wrote: Also told you guys Tina was town and you guys didn't believe me.....
Er....there wasn't a push to lynch her? Oh you mean BC's spiel about her outting her mason buddy's role? I don't think anyone really bought it.
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On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool.
Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'(
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Wait...vigi + 3rd? Some non-scum KP hit Town.
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On March 09 2019 09:08 Mocsta wrote: Ace
U a mad hatter?
Plantes on bc n1?
Lol no I'm not. Fucking scary you'd figured I would have put one on BC after Day 1 because that would have been my choice.
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On March 09 2019 09:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna lynch Ace and forget the holyflare is in the game
Well then maybe you should get right on it.
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what the fuck is going on lol
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On March 09 2019 09:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 09:13 Acrofales wrote:On March 09 2019 09:11 Holyflare wrote:This game uses a closed normal setup Good joke. Well, my vigi role isn't too bizar. And backup cop isn't either. So what are the non-normal roles you object to so much? Or you just peeved that town had 2 vigilantes? A vig that can't shoot n1 and can only shoot into a selection of 3 people n2? That's absolutely not standard and how are the 3 people even chosen? Sounds bullshit. A backup cop is absolutely not standard. None of this is a normal game in the slightest.
where's this info from?
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I've never heard of that role. And the nuke is real? Wtf is this game :D
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Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain.
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Vivax also changed HF read to Town I think
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Having multiple vigilantes makes sense. I thought this game was a normal though? Wow, this changes a lot if that claim is real.
If so I doubt town aligned vigi gets to choose 3 people and all are Town. So it functions as a pseudo investigation role too. That's wildly good. So Chez?
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Oh yeah, duh. Damn that's a pretty cool role to get lurkers out of the game. Good stuff mods. Sucks it hit town but oh well.
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On March 09 2019 10:00 Holyflare wrote: I can't wait for your new reads list by the way Ace. It will literally be the highlight of my morning.
I literally posted one right after the mod posted quiet and had to delete it. I had TickTock as the main problem vote but had to admit he really may have just been afk townie. Fuck :/
But fear not. I'll be back tomorrow with a brand new list!
Btw Mocsta please stop accusing me of being 3rd party.
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On March 09 2019 10:10 Mocsta wrote: Is that what he meant by lurker vig?
Activity requurement lol
Hmmm
I need to read last posts before eon
Never heard of such a role Again Did tumbleweed even read bc as scum
Pfft
Feel free to lynch me too I barely play on weekends Carw factoe pretty low right now
I never saw the suspicion either but is it that far fetched? I think he has a strong Town read on HF. Shooting one of HF's detractors isn't really a surprise?
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Also BC was Scum RB. He isn't killing one of the best scum roles for Town cred.
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On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.<
I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim.
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On March 09 2019 11:55 Mocsta wrote: The other problem i have is
If town has delayed role Lurker vig Delayed vig Backup cop
Scum needs compensation
Im concerned about rels role
Who did he mason n2?
At first i assumed he was a JOAT hence why i immediately wrote off tumbelweed But now im thinking rels is a scum delay role
I asked Rels about his role function yesterday. I didn't get the idea that it was mod confirmed Town Mason. I remember the point about rsoul outting his role (usually is a scummy thing) but I also don't recall her saying she thought Rels was scum. If he's scum Mason I think he's easily outed next night cycle.
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On March 09 2019 14:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. What kind of a reasonning is this? We had 2 cop roles flipped already. Is this the only reason you're not pushing HF anymore?
That and BC flip but that means shit now
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It's pretty obvious I reversed my read on HF with BC flip. And we never pushed a case on HF together. Although I thought BC was Town we weren't tag teaming HF. Nice narrative tho 😁
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On March 09 2019 15:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 15:34 Ace wrote: It's pretty obvious I reversed my read on HF with BC flip. And we never pushed a case on HF together. Although I thought BC was Town we weren't tag teaming HF. Nice narrative tho 😁 happy you like it just for the record, I don't think you 2 pushing HF makes you partners, what I think is your play thus far has followed a clearcut plan, indicative of scum talk to me about who you think is scum now? Gonna filter Meapeak next, I remember hating something about him during EON2
I have Jock + Wiggles as my top 2 suspects.
As for your idea of a plan - of course there was. I posted what I was doing on Day 1 😁. Should also check my post a few hours before EoD 2. Once today came with no guilty investigation on HF I was thinking he's probably innocent. BCs flip just made it a much stronger stance. I was wrong on their alignments Day 2 and I thought it was clear I wasn't going after HF at all anymore. I even said I may have been tunneling him and looking for confirmation bias in his posts.
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On March 04 2019 06:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:02 Rels wrote:On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 was your mayor plan a bait? No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time. Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good.
You asked me this Day 1
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On March 09 2019 16:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 16:13 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 06:06 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 06:02 Rels wrote:On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 was your mayor plan a bait? No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time. Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good. You asked me this Day 1 thanks, I thought you were talking about this but it was in D2: Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum.
Since HF has said for a long time he'll lynch Palmar, I don't believe you really thought that, I think it was a fake justification to have an easy way of playing and get HF lynched.
Pretty much the same thing reiterated. I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying. I really wasn't concerned with him repeatedly stating he wanted to lynch Palmar. It was the why. I didn't believe he had any actual reason. But again, the beginning of this day shows I reversed my read on him.
As for the cop thing I don't know what you meant by 3rd cop.
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On March 09 2019 16:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 16:43 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 16:28 Rels wrote:On March 09 2019 16:13 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 06:06 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 06:02 Rels wrote:On March 04 2019 06:01 Ace wrote:On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁 was your mayor plan a bait? No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time. Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good. You asked me this Day 1 thanks, I thought you were talking about this but it was in D2: On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum.
Since HF has said for a long time he'll lynch Palmar, I don't believe you really thought that, I think it was a fake justification to have an easy way of playing and get HF lynched. Pretty much the same thing reiterated. I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying. I really wasn't concerned with him repeatedly stating he wanted to lynch Palmar. It was the why. I didn't believe he had any actual reason. But again, the beginning of this day shows I reversed my read on him. As for the cop thing I don't know what you meant by 3rd cop. We have already 2 cops being flipped, so we would need to have a 3rd cop for your "I think HF is town because if he was scum a cop would have claimed a red check on him" to work
Oh you're counting the backup cop. I wasn't. I don't think those are the only two investigation roles in the game.
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My reason for Wiggles was the little chat we had about BC. It was like he believed BC was scum and then disappeared. Difficult to tell because he could have legit been afk.
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Wait a second. This game is normal. Lurker vigi?
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On March 10 2019 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 02:31 Ace wrote: Wait a second. This game is normal. Lurker vigi? Is this a real question?
oh hello!
I haven't played in like, 6 or 7? years. Probably more. Who knows?
I have no clue what's normal around here. Maybe you can help me out a bit here?
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On March 10 2019 03:23 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 03:13 Ace wrote:On March 10 2019 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 10 2019 02:31 Ace wrote: Wait a second. This game is normal. Lurker vigi? Is this a real question? oh hello! I haven't played in like, 6 or 7? years. Probably more. Who knows? I have no clue what's normal around here. Maybe you can help me out a bit here? You were my mafia coach in my second ever game on the site.And no its not normal. But I am guessing hosts are playing fast and loose on what is normal this game....
nice! I knew I remembered that name. How did it go
@LS: Fair point. I'll drop that speculation now.
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On March 10 2019 03:37 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 05:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Wow, that mafia coach in the QT was practically orchestrating this entire game for them. WAY more active than I thought a coach would be in these games. Onegu would have died Day 2 if the coach hadn't explicitly given him the only excuse for a Watcher to target a scum-read (post #184 in mafia chat) that I requested from Onegu. We lost but you coached me well lol.
lol holy shit. Glad you stuck around!
Wait....you aren't using any of those scum teachings this game are you?
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Wow a guy goes afk for a day and there's a lynch train
Rels, you're reading me way off. Iirc your first point of contention with me had to do with HF. I clearly admitted I read him wrong before he died.
I also think you should be thinking about the motives behind those NKs. I had no serious heat on me from Rayn/Wos/Rsoul/ (the 3 non vigi shots). Even if they were HFs defenders as scum I would still need to convince people to lynch him next day. I did not. Once I saw the BC flip I instantly townread HF.
In fact I think if anyone looks bad for those nightkills, it's you. You had QT interaction with 2 of them did you not?
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I think Sentinel is definitely the lynch for today. Sicklucker, he hasn't softclaimed cop. Sentinel can not be a cop in this instance regarding me. If he was, he'd tell all of us he found me red and go on with his day.
These 2 posts should give anyone pause:
On March 11 2019 00:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Quick dive tells me Tictock is still mafia
##Vote: Ace
On March 11 2019 00:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: will explain everything later
He has a town read on me yesterday. Now has a scum read on tick tock. Votes me. And will explain later? After the lynch when I flip town huh? Unless Sentinel is a cop trying to 2 for 1 and heavily believing I must be scum but has a red check on Tick Tock this makes no sense. Palmar wanting to lynch him, Scum voting HF to get Palmar lynched looks like a plausible idea of how Day 1 mayor played out. But I want to move on to something a bit more damning.
I know I weighed the Town down Day 2 with my HF push. Somehow this ignores my overwhelming reasons for why BH had to be town and was a bad lynch but people will believe what they want. I mistakenly dropped my scum read on BC and tunneled HF till it was too late. So cool - we're all on the same page to how I messed up. Now it seems I'm up for lynch because to some "I'm not Town enough".While I think outside of inactivity I haven't destroyed anything to be miscast this way, I'll do a bit of work.
First: 2 vigis + day vigi. One of them being an anti-lurk mechanism. Again, I know this is no longer considered a normal game. But it's bugging me. I also highly doubt we have only 1 active investigation role. Mafia has 3 KP AND a roleblocker. It doesn't take much for Mafia to counter town PRs in general, but that much KP when we've also seen a Vet flip in addition to a role blocker. They can mow through anyone (coming back to this in a bit) and yet we've only seen 1 doc and 1 cop flip. But we have that much town aligned KP, one of which based on mechanics could end up targeting only Town aligned players? Something is off. I might just be over reacting because no one has claimed any kind of investigation and it's Day 3 but I had to let it be known.
Second: I screwed up Day 2 not really looking into the NK. But the Night 2 kills do help us clear something up. Town vigis shoot damdred and BC. Mafia shoot rsoul/rayn/WoS. We know for a fact that anti-town KP is sitting at 3 (SK possibility).
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game.
Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive:
Onegu
On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:obvious mafia what are you doing
On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote: Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green! you need to die too
On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax
On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh. It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game
Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all.
However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing.
On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading
On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post. If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit. He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead. Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF. How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus. Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia? When did you get so bad at this game? Trying to bait me? Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in). So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help. I don't trust you
And of course, iamp's only vote
On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote: ##mayor: iamperfection ##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum.
1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now.
2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility.
3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip.
It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
So what am I to do? I think my choices are down to Acro, Sentinel as the top 2. Vivax, Onegu needing a bit more looking through. I doubt I'll get any of them lynched as it's late into the day. But I think this is reason enough to scrutinize Acro more going forward. I think Sentinel is the most probable to flip scum at this moment and that's where my vote is going. Yes I know I can vote Chez to save myself, but Brown nation doesn't eat it's own
##Vote Sentinel
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Lol I just finished that long post, checked vote thread, and see 3 ppl voted Sent before me. Fuck if he flips Town I'm gonna look scummy :/
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On March 11 2019 06:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 05:50 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 05:48 Pandain wrote:On March 11 2019 05:18 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote: @rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd. I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him If this is your argument, I get it. But I think Sentinel is just as guilty as this and has other scumslips. this is just a counter argument to "Ace calling a vig shot on HF makes Ace town", I don't think it makes Ace town or scum. Why I think Ace is scum is: On March 09 2019 15:27 Rels wrote:yeah I don't like Ace's filter. I'm happy he started playing for real though it will be an honor to lynch mafia god in the last TL game! The thing that shows he's scum is how he treated HF all game. Everything reeks of a mafia plan getting HF elected, then getting him lynched. We can follow it all thorough the day: First part during EOD1, voting him while not even knowing who he would lynch: On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments. Second part during N1, he acts surprised that HF has lynched Palmar and begins pushing him: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. Third, he AFKs the start of D2. His first post when he comes back D2 is a big post on HF. Note that it's a time where HF is in the lead 9 - 4 over BH, but talks about alternative targets start being discussed for real => see the pages before page 239, BH being ofc the main other lynch. I don't know if it's really this or just a coincidence, but it sures comes at a convenient time so that HF keeps being the lynch. On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote:Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. Then he goes on for all day, mainly talking about lynching HF. Note that he's now OK with BC, pushing HF together and referencing him in his posts. I'll elaborate about that in another part of the post - I don't think BC/Ace relationship necessarily show that they're partners, but it sure as hell don't prove they're cannot be partners. Finally, today. Mafia probably shot rayn, rsoul and WOS. Let's say they definitely shot at least 2 out of 3 to account for weird stuff like SK or whatever. They shot people that hard townread HF. At this point, Ace's narrative change - in his last big post during N3, Ace says that HF "definitely needs to be lynched whatever his alignment is". On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote: Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
I think their plan was to continue pushing HF during D3 with BC. BUT BC DIES. So there goes that plan. Ace stops pushing for HF after that, and his reasonning is weird: On March 09 2019 09:03 Ace wrote:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BC On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool. Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'( On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote: Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain. On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster Chezinu (1):Chezinu Onegu (1): Onegu rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand Koshi (1): Ace Fecalfeast (1): Pandain Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh LightningStrike (1): Rels [UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu rsoultin (1): Onegu Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that. Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are. Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie. Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.< I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim. this last post makes no sense for 2 reasons. First, until just now HF has been a man that was probably gonna be vigd or lynched. Cops probably wouldn't bother with HF until now. Second, we already have a cop and a backup cop flipped, and 2 vigs. I don't know if it's reasonnable to suppose we have a lot more investigative role. The answer is that Ace stopped pushing HF because his helping buddy BC died, and because almost nobody else wants HF dead now. But he had to invent a reason to stop that push, and he crafted this one. Problem is that, it makes no sense 'cause it's fake.
A final point. Sent bought up the point that Ace / BC relationship make them unlikely partners. I disagree, I don't think it proves they're partners either, but nothing proves they aren't. It's true Ace attacked BC with during EOD1: On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. That turns into a kinda townread during D2: On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? On March 07 2019 13:16 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote: [quote] i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. HAHAHA HOLY SHIT. Grack are you actually town? what do you think about ace though in that chained quote? I dont beleive he ever did ANYTHING with that. He didn't but it's funny how he said this: On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end. And a real townread during N2: On March 09 2019 00:18 Ace wrote:On March 08 2019 13:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum. On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller! On March 07 2019 12:57 Ace wrote:On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1. I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this. When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy. For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment. It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason: + Show Spoiler [SanguinePie] +On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_- How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum. Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read? IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read. Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf Jesus fuck. Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting. The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles. BC is a pretty solid lynch for Day 3, I'd say. We are not lynching BC @Mocsta: you are a weird player. So all over the place 😏 On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow. I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
So no, I don't think their interactions are alignment indicative by themselves, and I think them trying to push a HF lynch / vig during the whole N1 / D2 / N2 makes a lot of sense. Before I respond I want to ask: Ace why did you vote for HF and then push him later?
I didn't find his reasoning for lynching Palmar credible. I used Mayor voting as a way to tie any of the candidates to strong stance. I didn't care who got elected, I just needed something to go off of.
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On March 11 2019 06:40 Pandain wrote: @ace Acro later said that he was only allowed to shoot people who had five or less posts the previous day cycle. AKA the choices were not given by the hosts.
No I get that part. What I'm saying is if only Townies satisfy the condition, you end up in a situation where a Pro-Town role is aiming KP at only Town.
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On March 11 2019 06:40 Tumblewood wrote: @ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?
I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol.
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Wait Chez claimed hatter? what the fuck
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On March 11 2019 06:50 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 06:49 Ace wrote:On March 11 2019 06:40 Tumblewood wrote: @ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither? I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol. What does this even mean, did you read what I said or not?
I'm speed reading so I probably misread something. I thought I saw you say something about putting a bomb on me?
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Hey man, read the Night 1 dead people
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Man this is a fun lynch
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Lol @ Rels. You're so cute 😘
Does anyone have any comments regarding going back and looking at Iamps suspects Day 1? I think there was major effort to kill him because he was on to more than 1 person.
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Lol I like this sicklucker guy. Such cryptic posting. Like a mini Chezinu
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I don't think you should divert the lynch train to Slam unless you think Sentinel is Town. Doing so could end up in a mislynch on someone else as Scum feigns confusion.
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On March 11 2019 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 07:43 Ace wrote: I don't think you should divert the lynch train to Slam unless you think Sentinel is Town. Doing so could end up in a mislynch on someone else as Scum feigns confusion. yes... someone else.
Lol glad you caught it 😎
@Tumble: I have a then read on Slam. But that's based off 2 days ago when my head was in the tunnel. I had a Town read on BC too 😋
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Final moments. Let's see how interesting things get!
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On March 11 2019 08:15 Onegu wrote: NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!!
lol. You go afk all day, refuse to move your vote, now don't want people to get credit for lynching an anti-town player.
Hello :D
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On March 11 2019 08:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:16 LightningStrike wrote: Ace is likely town based on Sent thing on Ace unless you guys think he was going for a bus? Ace if scum didn't know Sent was traitor. A traitor flip is nice but don't give any associative infos
Indeed. If Mafia didn't know who traitor was, then a Sent flip tells you nothing about me via association.
But, looking at the cases being made against Sent in isolation should tell you the probability of me being Scum here is low.
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On March 11 2019 08:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:20 Ace wrote:On March 11 2019 08:18 Rels wrote:On March 11 2019 08:16 LightningStrike wrote: Ace is likely town based on Sent thing on Ace unless you guys think he was going for a bus? Ace if scum didn't know Sent was traitor. A traitor flip is nice but don't give any associative infos Indeed. If Mafia didn't know who traitor was, then a Sent flip tells you nothing about me via association. But, looking at the cases being made against Sent in isolation should tell you the probability of me being Scum here is low. I'll resume fighting you later
*nods*
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Everyone should go back and read Iamp's Day 1
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On March 11 2019 08:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:On March 11 2019 08:39 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 08:38 LightningStrike wrote:On March 11 2019 08:36 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: Rels do it to me if you think I'm town as I don't think I will get killed this game since I generally not a good night kill unless they think I am blue or on the right track about something/confirmed town. Im looking at you for scum now also... Not sure yet... My first read may have been wrong... Well I lynched scum and Tina and Damdred(i think he kept this) called me town so believe their reads on me? What scum did you lynch>? The traitor that scum would have thought they were lynching town? Sent is scum though but I was confident about the lynch honestly proof: On March 11 2019 07:58 LightningStrike wrote: I feeling good about this lynch. I only feel this if I 100% think I am lynching scum as town. LS that means nothing. IF you are scum it means you thought you were getting a mislynch...
But if you are Town you are happy you lynched an anti-Town player
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On March 11 2019 08:51 Vivax wrote: This anti-onegu sentiment you're stirring doesn't go unnoticed @ Grack, Mocsta, Ace
Good. I want it to be noticed. Thank you for your contribution.
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This has turned into a very interesting game
Acro should be heavily scrutinized btw.
If FF or Chez are actually hatters, that is a shit ton of Town KP. 1 of which is potentially unkillable at night for Scum.
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As of now we have these claimed roles. If any of the information is wrong let me know.
1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain
Known roles:
Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker
With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds.
Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow.
With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker.
No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB.
So I just don't buy all of these claims.
Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more.
TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town.
FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante.
I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town.
So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me.
Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon.
Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow.
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On March 11 2019 11:11 Mocsta wrote: Hi Ace,
I agree acro is in a weird position. The role is odd, and the way hes played teh game I think is odd with the role. However, BC has an interesting interaction wtih Acro that I forgot to list in my BC summary - which I give town points for.
Why do you list Chez as the fake claim, over FF? What am I missing?
Also, why is the dayvig logical for town? Im not actually trying to shit on pandain as confirmed town here, i just have a couple points i need to process (1) Leading a lynch on sentinel is not necessarily a towntell, because mafia may not have even known there was a traitor (2) Shooting HF, may have been a way to score some free town cred. The problem i have with the dayvig role is how AMG played the game; however, i can see it probably leans towards town. Because if mafia, he has a QT telling him who to shoot, and all he has to do is read a filter adn become proficient in that. If town, I can see him taking it as big responsibility. I dunno, the whole thing is weird. I have talked myself into leaning it town, if not confirmed town for PoE. Perhaps revisit if hes there at end game.
so scrap q on dayvig.
I probably didn't explain it well. It's not that Chez's claim is fake (I actually didn't even read the claim now that I think of it). I'm resting on the assumption that Acro can not be a town aligned killing role that would end up only pointing at Town. If his claim is true, then one of Pandain or Chez would be scum as he's already killed Damdred. And since Pandain is more probable Town than Scum with a day vigi role, that would make Chez scum by PoE.
That's only for people that believe Acro has to be telling the truth and that my assumption is valid.
Day Vig is logical for Town because Scum has 3 KP from what I've seen. Giving them a a day killing role that is usually Town would be extremely powerful with what they already have that we've seen. But I admit this is all based on how I would balance the game, not the mods.
I agree with Point 1. However, I know I'm Town and anyone leading a lynch on Sentinel when I had that many votes is probably not scum in that place. I could have easily died. Also, the Sentinel lynch came while I was typing up my own case ie it happened independently and not of my direct influence. Doesn't mean they are confirmed town but hey are more likely Town than Scum. Of course we can also say they wanted to get any votes away from Chezinu at all costs (if Chez is Scum of course) and anyone would do because they didn't want my wagon to stall and Chez becoming a default lynch.
As for Point 2 I hated Pandain's shot too. But we have to remember Pandain was out of the game and replaced in. He wouldn't necessarily have the same alignment reading change some of us had once BC died. He also plays a similar way I do and as Town WOULD shoot HF in that spot if you ignore the BC info. I don't remember when he replaced in, but the only thing I'd find fishy is if he was around Day 2 with a chance to shoot HF and never did. Meaning the BC flip spurred him into action. But overall I don't think he's scum at the moment.
Good discussion tho
GG @ Sentinel
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On March 11 2019 12:16 Tictock wrote:I'm back to the Catch-up Post! Have fun. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:37 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom!
Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town!
Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor.
However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT).
Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. What do you mean by the bolded part... Random assumptions about Traitor role that are probably bad, is what I was thinking. Last time I played with a Mafia Traitor they needed to reach out to the Scum Team to be joined with them, but now I'm pretty sure that was in the Bastard Mod game or w/e it was called. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 08:43 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote: Boom!
Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town!
Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor.
However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT).
Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot. This seems plausible. If Rels picks a townie, it's a new qt. If Rels picks the traitor, he gets access to the mafia qt. He picked tina N1 cause idk, and apparently rayn N2 maybe because of this post. On March 08 2019 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 08 2019 04:09 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:01 Tubesock wrote:On March 08 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 23:45 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2019 23:30 Palmar wrote: go after mocsta -> threatens to kill himself go after conversion -> leaves the game
I may have a problem. You’re not the problem. Neither is HF. ? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point? I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar. Why are you townreading HF? It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with. While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does. I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever. Lol if he killed rayn he 100% dies today Not if rayn is scum. But that'd be an amazing bus. i am super scum though. In a Scum!Rels world, these picks make sense. Far more important for Rels to prove to good townies that he is town. Honestly I threw out that tinfoil, but I'm kinda ignoring Rels' role in regards to reading him as it is pure WIFOM. While true, the amount of paranoia and kinda odd attitude Onegu is showing here makes me question the townpass I gave him based on SL's dumbtell. Especially since they kinda have been sharing the same attitude towards EoD and post flip. Also again, Role speculation is unlikely to be helpful and Night Kills will likely be more telling than any speculation we can do right now. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad that if we got another vig I want them to shoot Ace just see this last wagon? Actually Ace's flip would still be pretty telling... so No. I will get to this in a sec. #6992 This post was 100% written out before EoD, but Ace is sharing it now as current info. I haven't actually read the post yet, but this automatically feels a bit scummy to me. + Show Spoiler +How do I know? He didn't add Sentinal, but included BC. Which seems an odd thing to forgot for a town writing out a post and then editing it for post flip, but forgets that flip.
Ok so my thoughts about Traitor role, and then I am done talking about Roles. + Show Spoiler [Bonus Tinfoil] +Sent's opening could have been him trying to project his role to mafia I think we need to assume the Traitor role is unknown to Mafia, just as he does not know who is mafia. It would be kinda nice to get Mod confirmation about this, but it seems to me we kinda need to assume that. So, officially ignoring Role shit, and not giving any town passes just off that flip. We can deal with Role stuff tomorrow.
I just wrote that. I forgot to add Sentinel's role to the post that's all.
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On March 11 2019 12:20 Mocsta wrote: Also, I dont feel ace addressed me about chez/FF claiming the same role?
Everything he said about chez, should also apply to FF - or am i still missing something?
??? I answered it lol
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Ticktock be careful driving that WIFOM wagon
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On March 11 2019 12:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 10:46 Ace wrote: As of now we have these claimed roles. If any of the information is wrong let me know.
1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain
Known roles:
Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker
With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds.
Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow.
With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker.
No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB.
So I just don't buy all of these claims.
Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more.
TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town.
FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante.
I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town.
So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me.
Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon.
Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow.
I believe you are wrong about your Chezinu Role Claim. I know... he is hard to read.
Ah. so you never claimed mad hatter, correct?
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Chezinu what do you think of my post about Acro's role?
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On March 11 2019 13:56 Tictock wrote: I think Meap or Wiggles would be fantastic follow up lynches tomorrow. For sure one if not both of them are mafia.
How did you reason this?
On March 11 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ace, you know Acro explained his claimed role, right? Show nested quote +On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 10 2019 05:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro, are you able to share the details of your role?
Is it based on a list of lurkers that you're just given, or were you told the criteria for inclusion on the list? Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way. Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims.
I know he explained it. I just don't see how it fits into the game. And yes I made that case earlier, as his role claim isn't the only thing about him that makes him a prime suspect.
On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy
Sure lol.
On March 11 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our brave Dead Zone Show intern took this call a few minutes ago: Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote: Deadzone wiggles.
I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible.
Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago.
Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro?
Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets.
This post is awesome haha
On March 11 2019 17:08 Acrofales wrote:I PM'd Kita for clarification on the traitor role, but he won't say more than in the flip post. Mafiascum has this, which doesn't really help at all sure to the caveat: Show nested quote +Normal Guidelines A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned knows the identities of all of the Mafia team identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them. On this forum, godfather is considered normal, so who knows what a "normal" traitor is here: we're following Kita's playbook, which seems like a bastard version of "normal". Anyway, seem dangerous to do any association reading for sentinel. As for my role, Ace and mocsta are being idiotic. In what works does mafia ever want to shoot inactives? So either you think I'm lying about how my role works, or you aren't using your brain. Mocsta, Ace, do you think I'm lying about my role?
If one of the currently inactive players is a future threat ie not currently posting because of real life things but will do so in the future.
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Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts:
1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now?
2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game. Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive: Onegu Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote: Aright LS..
##Vote: Rsoultin obvious mafia what are you doing Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote: Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green! you need to die too Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh. It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all. However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing. Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post. If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit. He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead. Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF. How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus. Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia? When did you get so bad at this game? Trying to bait me? Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in). So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help. I don't trust you And of course, iamp's only vote Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote: ##mayor: iamperfection ##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum. 1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now. 2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip. It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
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Possibly. I guess my thinking is if you have that role and are Town, you'd think about the ramifications of shooting a Town aligned player that could potentially help you later. So you'd think damdred is scum but I didn't notice you push this.
But, I know I look at the game differently so this part of the accusation can be me pretending to be in your shoes instead of getting a grasp on how you play.
That being said, it's only one part of the case.
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Darth's ninja vote then exit didn't go unnoticed. Great analysis post.
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On March 12 2019 00:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 00:31 LightningStrike wrote:On March 12 2019 00:27 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up from my nap because my cat was yelling and she took shit near my room so I am still a little awake On March 12 2019 00:07 Onegu wrote:On March 11 2019 23:59 LightningStrike wrote:Didn't get much from Marv/Iamp's filters but found a gem from Koshi's filter. Here it is before I take my nap: On March 05 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote: My list lynch is now: HF (vig not on BH) Wiggles ( Palmar) Sentinel (Palmar + Tfrel) Anybody marv currently votes for
I will pick 1 at my pleasure. List will update after lynches but not on nk because those come from mafia.
I am sad Tfrel ended up blue.
Not much more to say and do. I will now take my nap for about maybe 1 hour? What am I supposed to glean from this? Lynch wiggles? The sent read might be why Koshi was killed that's why I posted that. Koshi was depressed coming into his last posts but I think Koshi was killed because of Sent. Thoughts? Why are you assuming scum knew who sent was? Because Sent didn't know who his teammates were so it more likely scum knew who he was unless the host wanted to bastardize the role where either the mafia team guess who traitor is or traitor will have to guess the team. So ya I think it more likely mafia knew who sent was but sent didn't know who his team was. I’m going off mafia wiki. They say scum don’t know. They also said sent would know but... I am guessing balance wise there needed to be a extra scum, but a very weak one.Honestly ls I am really feeling you are scum now. Trying to get town cred.
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Damnit he was one of Iamps suspects. Fuck this game I can't lynch my former student🤦🏼♂️
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Maybe you didn't understand. I'm no longer speaking on his claim. Actually read the post.
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On March 12 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 04:50 Vivax wrote: Town would have 3 KP with hatter, one night and one day vig.
If acrofales is anything, he's the serial killer. Cause having a lurker-only vig sounds like a completely made up thing. You're right on one part, my role IS a made-up role, made up by kita. I'm not an SK. I'll prove it by not killing anyone for the rest of the game
Well he's got you there Vivax
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On March 12 2019 05:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 05:23 Ace wrote:On March 12 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 04:50 Vivax wrote: Town would have 3 KP with hatter, one night and one day vig.
If acrofales is anything, he's the serial killer. Cause having a lurker-only vig sounds like a completely made up thing. You're right on one part, my role IS a made-up role, made up by kita. I'm not an SK. I'll prove it by not killing anyone for the rest of the game Well he's got you there Vivax Reads to me like he's telling scum they need not be afraid of him killing TS and ExO tbf.
FFS why'd you ruin it lol. Shhhhhhhhh.
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I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game.
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On March 18 2019 03:25 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 03:22 Ace wrote: I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game. That's just because you were dead already for the chezinu lynch. We had some terrible lynches this game.
I saw that too and didn't get it
It's like when the person that had a wagon the day before didn't get lynched or NK'd, they just HAD to be a suspect next day with all previous knowledge about the day before thrown away. But Mafia team did a good job of never letting anyone get a solid hold of suspects.
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Brown bomber and suspected criminal Rels calling in were hilarious.
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