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On March 14 2019 03:47 Acrofales wrote:
Ok. Where's the tubesock case. I agree with ExO_ that the worst he did was stop playing when his internet went out. It's not great, but it's just shit that happens. Show me tubescum, or I'm gonna keep hollering until we're lynching onegu (I accept a DF lynch too).
This
And I'm most interested to hear lightning strikes take since he's also against a pandain lynch.
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The lack of anyone coming in to support their votes on tubesock aside from maybe LS is not giving me good feels.
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On March 14 2019 04:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 04:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The lack of anyone coming in to support their votes on tubesock aside from maybe LS is not giving me good feels. His reads post is just a big fluffed up post screaming scum. And I already picked out two reads from them that had no real basis. Why are you and jock null and DF is reddish bcuz PoE? These aren't mistakes they are just fake reads.
I just read his entire filter and I agree with his reads more than yours.
EBWOP:
Specifically he has rels, DF, and Pandain red.
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FUCK
Kita I'm phone posting, I hit edit instead of quote. Please don't modkill me 
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On March 14 2019 04:27 Vivax wrote:
Either way MZ. I don't care if you agree with his reads, but saying that you aren't convinced because no one but LS is pushing for his lynch brought me out to post here.
So don't deflect to your own opinion of his reads.
Well so glad you decide to participate instead of observe. I was not deflecting, I was straight up commenting on the merits of his lynch. You're trying to kill him for his reads post and I think its a bad case because I agree with a lot of his reads.
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Acro I really don't agree with you hard towning FF and Pandain.
And if you're hardtowning claims then why not hardtown Rels whose role is confirmed (NAI tho)
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On March 14 2019 04:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 04:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 14 2019 04:27 Vivax wrote:
Either way MZ. I don't care if you agree with his reads, but saying that you aren't convinced because no one but LS is pushing for his lynch brought me out to post here.
So don't deflect to your own opinion of his reads. Well so glad you decide to participate instead of observe. I was not deflecting, I was straight up commenting on the merits of his lynch. You're trying to kill him for his reads post and I think its a bad case because I agree with a lot of his reads. And you ruled out he started bussing upon having a majority wagon on him because?
You call what he's doing right now bussing? And let me get this straight, because he's about to die he's just gonna hard bus his entire team?
I don't buy that for a second.
Besides for you to believe he's bussing you'd have to agree with his reads which I don't think you do.
Actually the more I think about your line of logic there the worse it gets.
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[QUOTE]On March 14 2019 04:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Example Case 1 s I spoiler each list post:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.
Example Case 2:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Towny Order
Tubesock
GlowingBear
Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK.
Ritoky
Sukrit
TicTock
LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock.
Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda
Shapelog
Damdred
Rels
GiygaS
Kushm4sta
Vivax
Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush.
Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia.
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.
GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration.
Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later.
Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi".
Example Case 3:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote:
In case I die.
Town
Soren / Holyflare
Breshke
Prplhz
Rsoultin
Half the Sky
Jarjarbinks
The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that.
Nulls
Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case
Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him.
Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him.
Mafia
TheBloodyDwarf - duh!
Example Case 4:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:
Towns:
Kush
Shape
Slam
Marvish
Ricey
jat
If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.
for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish
Dr Thrawn
Etellex
Mig (modkill though?)
Palmar
Example Case 5:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote:
My scum list is scummiest to least:
Vivax, Skynx, Koshi
Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien
Ritoky, GlowingBear
Sicklucker
My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers.
I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him.
NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo.
The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB.
So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time)
Example Case 6:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote:
So,
Bats and Fecal mafia.
then 2 in
Lightningstrike
Alakaslam
Sepulchre
Keirathi
I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam.
Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes.
I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town.
I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know.
Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful.
Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer.
Lmao these all look very similar to me. Gonna have to find a better meta read fam.
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Didn't expect myself to be here hard defending tubesock but the more I read from him and the more I read the people pushing him the more I see him as town.
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On March 14 2019 04:43 LightningStrike wrote:+ Show Spoiler +1,2,3 was Mafia Tubesock the others were Town Tubesock he does actually put more words on his list posts as scum
This is really not helping your case dude. They look very similar in both tone and formatting.
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On March 14 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote:
I mean really at this point it should be obvious I'm town.
1. Day vig- usually town, I shot (at the very least) an anti town player.
2. Led the lynch away from town ace
3. Led the lynch towards sentinel.
If I keep hearing people fos me it's hard to take seriously anymore if you're actually town. And starting to get scummy.
No thats not how this works. You don't get to magically clear yourself. Lead a lynch on a few more scum and I may rethink it but that shot was garbage with plenty of scum motivation and your play has been lacking. I'm not pushing you hard yet bc I have stronger reads to work through but you don't get a hall pass.
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Tube why are you voting oats?
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I'm down lynching me too, I'd rather flip so then y'all can start taking my reads of FF and Pandain seriously. At this point I think TS is probably town so if y'all wanna lynch me over him that works.
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On March 14 2019 05:07 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote:
Is there still support for an MZ wagon? I'll support it.
Are you just throwing shit at a wall waiting for something to stick?
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DF what makes acro and Pandain different? They both claimed vig and didn't die
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I have to go fly again, I'll try to catch up around midnight Utah time. If you guys do lynch me, I'd really like my last couple questions I asked on this page answered and don't let FF and Pandain get off without scrutiny.
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Those last minute shenanigans were absolutely to save onegu imo. He goes first tomorrow. I can't fucking believe people still lynched chez after the town seal and acros explanation of the claim but whatever. I still think we've got a decent shot to win this.
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My plan at this point is to sheep the shit out of acros reads whether he lives tonight or not. His deconstruction of the chez thing shows a better understanding of this game than anyone else so far.
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I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro.
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On March 15 2019 03:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro. So you think you're null? 
You don't have me as scum? You almost the same reads I do? I think my play so far justifies a null read on me, that's why I haven't jumped down the throats of the many people who have called me scum lol.
I'm town, as long as we're lynching people I think are scum in a lylo situation I'm good with people reading me however they please.
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