[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 46
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raynpelikoneet
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Rels
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Grack, then Conversion, then krogan. | ||
Rels
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On November 09 2018 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why didn't you answer to my questions, specifically the krogan one? Quote them | ||
Rels
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 09 2018 09:06 Rels wrote: OK for the second point. For the first point, I don't see how it gives him any town cred ? I thought something like: maybe he wants to demonstrate that he doesn't know because he isn't fascist, so he says the wrong thing. | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
On November 10 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote: I thought something like: maybe he wants to demonstrate that he doesn't know because he isn't fascist, so he says the wrong thing. OK, a fake dumbtell. Fair enough. | ||
Rels
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Let's get to examples. On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote: Grack I've gone back and forth on. On one hand, he didn't really seem invested in getting elected D1 and even if I he's wrong about his suspicion of me, I can see a viewpoint where a townie thinks that, but on the other hand, I didn't like his early game posting about prpl and picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else. Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place. On November 03 2018 07:17 kitaman27 wrote: This pair excluded two of my top scum reads so it was good enough for me. I don't really care what you think as long as we keep sending the liberal policies through. This post is to justify his Grack / prp YES vote. Even though Grack is in the bottom of his list at first, then later in the middle tier; even though prp is also in his middle tier; he still votes YES. The correct play in his position with his reads would be to vote NO there, vote NO to Conversion's team, and have his team auto-accepted due to the 3 votes limit. But he voted YES. Most likely because his buddy prp was on the team. On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote: I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless. I'm going to go ahead and choose grack. I have a pretty strong town read on him and I think the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hand is a good one. If we're lucky, we'll just hit the 65% liberal policy chance on my presidency and the game will kinda be over anyways. Rels is obviously going for a hail marry with that team that makes little sense and he showed very little interest in the game early on to suddenly think he conveniently "solved" the game. Here he's justifying his Grack nomination. He's saying that "he thinks the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hands is a good one". The problem is, it doesn't make sense at all if he's town. The DT check makes sense for people outside of him, to have a failback plan in case kita is scum. But if kita is town, it means that: - if a liberal policy is passed, the DT plan doesn't work - if a fascist policy is passed, it means kita has gotten FFF; in that scenario, the chance of rayn also getting FFF are extremely low. So he couldn't have thought that as town. Fair disclosure, when pushed for some of these points, he explained them with reasonnable, logical answers. But I'm claiming that he couldn't have thought of them in the first place if he was town. Another thing Conversion bought up yesterday and is very true. kita said multiple times that he knows one of the elected official is scum, which is a fact if he's town since there has been 5 elected people and he's not been part of them. He's hesitating between Conversion Hitler or prp fascist. This is a little weird to me since the fact points more at prp being forced to elect a liberal policy, but OK. The problem with this claimed mindset is this: On November 09 2018 00:15 kitaman27 wrote: I really think we may have forced Conversion's hand with showing his allegiance to Rels. He lists grack and myself in his top three trustworthy list and since rayn can't be elected, that would mean grack + kita is his ideal team. Yet a day later when he is suddenly given the choice he decides to favor a Rels + grack team over me with no explanation. People need to pay attention to this if that's how things shake up. Rels team may be more likely to pass, but that's because he has his pair of cronies to back him up. You should vote for the player who is most likely town, not the team that is most likely to pass. On November 09 2018 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Well I think I made it pretty clear with my latest post that I think you and Rels are connected. Hardly a soft jab. He's claiming that Conversion is showing his allegiance to me. The problem is that he also thinks Conversion is Hitler, and Hitler doesn't know his buddies! This shouldn't make sense in his view of the game. I think that happend because he is forcing himself to keep his Conversion scumread, since if he would let it go he would have to scumread prp, which is probably the real Hitler. But in trying to come up with reasons to scumread Conversion, he created one that didn't match his claimed view of the game. Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not. On November 09 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: whoooa look at what I just found?! This is game changing. RELS IS TOTALLY OUTING HIMSELF TO HITLER AT THE START OF THE GAME. VOTE YES HERE!!!!!!! He's quoting a prp post first, but I think this post was trying to get one of Conversion, krogan or Grack to switch. | ||
byj
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On November 08 2018 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain to me, if prplhz is town what does it matter if Grackaroni as scum gives him one or two liberal cards??? [/QUOTE] I never judged prplhz's alignment there, but Grack's thread play? He seemed very genuine in his reaction. But theoretically speaking do you prefer a possible F and us having to figure out who's the Scum between Grack and prpl over having a guaranteed L? | ||
Rels
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byj
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On November 08 2018 05:43 Rels wrote: Byj I don't understand your thought process. If you dislike kita, what's the difference between him having FFF and him having FFL ? If you think he's scum, he will pass FF to the chancellor in either scenario It's worse because the lower % it is, the more it confirms them as Scum to me. There's a big difference between a ~24% FFF and a 34% one. | ||
byj
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On November 08 2018 07:23 Rels wrote:Vote no for a shitty reason like byj? Citation needed :> | ||
Rels
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this is from a sarcastic post that was meant to copy a rayn post | ||
happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote: concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view. Let's get to examples. Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place. This post is to justify his Grack / prp YES vote. Even though Grack is in the bottom of his list at first, then later in the middle tier; even though prp is also in his middle tier; he still votes YES. The correct play in his position with his reads would be to vote NO there, vote NO to Conversion's team, and have his team auto-accepted due to the 3 votes limit. But he voted YES. Most likely because his buddy prp was on the team. Here he's justifying his Grack nomination. He's saying that "he thinks the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hands is a good one". The problem is, it doesn't make sense at all if he's town. The DT check makes sense for people outside of him, to have a failback plan in case kita is scum. But if kita is town, it means that: - if a liberal policy is passed, the DT plan doesn't work - if a fascist policy is passed, it means kita has gotten FFF; in that scenario, the chance of rayn also getting FFF are extremely low. So he couldn't have thought that as town. Fair disclosure, when pushed for some of these points, he explained them with reasonnable, logical answers. But I'm claiming that he couldn't have thought of them in the first place if he was town. Another thing Conversion bought up yesterday and is very true. kita said multiple times that he knows one of the elected official is scum, which is a fact if he's town since there has been 5 elected people and he's not been part of them. He's hesitating between Conversion Hitler or prp fascist. This is a little weird to me since the fact points more at prp being forced to elect a liberal policy, but OK. The problem with this claimed mindset is this: He's claiming that Conversion is showing his allegiance to me. The problem is that he also thinks Conversion is Hitler, and Hitler doesn't know his buddies! This shouldn't make sense in his view of the game. I think that happend because he is forcing himself to keep his Conversion scumread, since if he would let it go he would have to scumread prp, which is probably the real Hitler. But in trying to come up with reasons to scumread Conversion, he created one that didn't match his claimed view of the game. Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not. He's quoting a prp post first, but I think this post was trying to get one of Conversion, krogan or Grack to switch. I like that post. Especially the part of Hitler Conversion showing allegiance doesn't make sense. The only thing I kind of disagree with is that he couldn't have thought the plan is a good idea but it doesn't matter in comparision to the other stuff. Also his fake posts yesterday are enough to scumread him, one doesn't need the other stuff. (btw I just realized that it was even more obvious because "Me and Conversion" is stupid to say when conversion is hitler) | ||
byj
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On November 09 2018 09:01 Rels wrote: I think byj said he would be voting NO so he's maybe showing face there For what it's worth I haven't been online since my last post, not like you'll believe me, especially since kita asked me to stay | ||
byj
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On November 10 2018 01:18 Rels wrote: this is from a sarcastic post that was meant to copy a rayn post Oh | ||
byj
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On November 10 2018 01:15 Rels wrote: byj why did you vote YES ? I would've changed it, but eh, who asks instead of just submitting another vote and hoping? | ||
Rels
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On November 10 2018 01:37 byj wrote: For what it's worth I haven't been online since my last post, not like you'll believe me, especially since kita asked me to stay Yeah but in that last post you asked if you could switched your vote. On November 08 2018 05:28 byj wrote: Oh that's high. Because I trust Grack, but I expected the FFF chance to be lower. I don't trust kita enough to leave him a 33% excuse, is it possible to change my vote? I don't know why you wouldn't switch your vote before leaving in that case. | ||
Rels
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byj
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On November 10 2018 01:40 Rels wrote: Yeah but in that last post you asked if you could switched your vote. I don't know why you wouldn't switch your vote before leaving in that case. Because I was planning to come back the next day | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote: concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view. On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote: Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place. I was suspicious of Grack because I didn't like his nomination choices. When he chose not to elect you or conversion I decided to vote for him through (I was the tiebreaker). As for the Conversion is Hitler thing, I would be pretty surprised if Hitler hadn't figured out who his buddies are by now. If I can figure out that you're mafia, it should be pretty obvious to Conversion too considering how much you've propped him up all game and you've never supported a liberal agenda. On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote: Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not. lol I posted it at 5:59:50. 10 seconds before the deadline. It was literally impossible for someone to happen to refresh the page immediately, read the post, and change their vote in that amount of time. That impacted the vote in no way at all. | ||
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