[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 46

On November 09 2018 09:06 Rels wrote:

OK for the second point.
For the first point, I don't see how it gives him any town cred ?

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view.

Let's get to examples.


Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place.


This post is to justify his Grack / prp YES vote. Even though Grack is in the bottom of his list at first, then later in the middle tier; even though prp is also in his middle tier; he still votes YES. The correct play in his position with his reads would be to vote NO there, vote NO to Conversion's team, and have his team auto-accepted due to the 3 votes limit. But he voted YES. Most likely because his buddy prp was on the team.


Here he's justifying his Grack nomination. He's saying that "he thinks the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hands is a good one". The problem is, it doesn't make sense at all if he's town. The DT check makes sense for people outside of him, to have a failback plan in case kita is scum. But if kita is town, it means that:
- if a liberal policy is passed, the DT plan doesn't work
- if a fascist policy is passed, it means kita has gotten FFF; in that scenario, the chance of rayn also getting FFF are extremely low.
So he couldn't have thought that as town.

Fair disclosure, when pushed for some of these points, he explained them with reasonnable, logical answers. But I'm claiming that he couldn't have thought of them in the first place if he was town.

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Another thing Conversion bought up yesterday and is very true. kita said multiple times that he knows one of the elected official is scum, which is a fact if he's town since there has been 5 elected people and he's not been part of them. He's hesitating between Conversion Hitler or prp fascist. This is a little weird to me since the fact points more at prp being forced to elect a liberal policy, but OK.

The problem with this claimed mindset is this:


He's claiming that Conversion is showing his allegiance to me. The problem is that he also thinks Conversion is Hitler, and Hitler doesn't know his buddies! This shouldn't make sense in his view of the game. I think that happend because he is forcing himself to keep his Conversion scumread, since if he would let it go he would have to scumread prp, which is probably the real Hitler. But in trying to come up with reasons to scumread Conversion, he created one that didn't match his claimed view of the game.

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Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not.

He's quoting a prp post first, but I think this post was trying to get one of Conversion, krogan or Grack to switch.

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view.

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place.

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not.