[M]Chill Hop Mafia

On June 22 2018 03:50 Tictock wrote:
This game is lacking scrubs...

/in

On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read.

On June 26 2018 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, would you use this wording as a native english speaker if you are town:

On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.

Thus it's not AI.

I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that.

On June 26 2018 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually i am more interested in "this is" instead of "this would be", because this clearly isn't unless they are mafia.

On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote:
We should be lynch ticktock though.

On June 26 2018 10:58 CopCake wrote:
Am I town or am I mafia rayn?

On June 26 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote:


Lol, the question is to make a better read on rayn.

@Regfan that question is too early to ask since not everyone has posted but I would shot HF as mafia.

I dont get his tt reasons.

On June 26 2018 11:35 Regfan wrote:


My read on TT is without a lick of meta involved in it, if you've done some meta research that suggests he's town here, I think mentioning that is rather important -- I need to be able to follow /how/ you're getting to reads in this game here and the way it played out didn't really do that. What's your reads/thoughts on Mocsta at the moment? We both read a lot of his posts as him feeling somewhat detached from the actual game thread in a way I see mafia do more often than not, where he's there posting things that seem /somewhat okay/ but then looking at the body of content and going "huh". I'd imagine you've got some actual meta on him, is this something you'd say fits more his town/scum play and why?

(Pretty much if you're town here dude I need to see it via your thought process/solving, please)

-R

On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote:
@Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players?


Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice.

-R

On June 26 2018 12:03 Regfan wrote:

Sure, Gemma will likely get around to doing it later too. I found your initial catch up posts...underwhelming for the most part, the response towards Rayn in #78 to be make sense and be something I agreed with but the agreement on TT scum read in #80 with nothing attatched to it as to why you agreed there and to move on from there to focusing on CopCakes question to Rayn in #122 feels like you're...sort of aimlessly posting if that makes any sense, like "I can talk about this for a bit", "I'll focus talking about this" and when I look at it the progression/entirety of it I'm left thinking "His reads are what and why???" and I'm trying to work out if this is a playstyle type thing or not and am hoping Rayns response will help with that.

- R

On June 26 2018 12:30 Regfan wrote:
@Mocsta - Not a non-native at all, but think reading up/catching up on whatever has been missed (regardless of the length of it) is "catching up on the game". You're very much missing my concern with your play here, it's not that I take issue with your questioning of CopCake there, mentioned it twice now, when I look at the individual posts they seem mostly reasonable, it's just the progression/body of work so to speak where I'm stumped with you and left going "Huuhh" with.

I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you.

- R

On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote:


I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta.

Maybe.

On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:


Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz?

On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote:
Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm.

Ask me again in an hour...

Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do.

On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote:


I’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question.

CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me

Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me

Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more

On June 26 2018 21:42 Regfan wrote:

a) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real.

b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her.

c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced.

c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing.

d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her.

And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much.

On June 26 2018 22:02 Regfan wrote:

I guess if Calix has a stronger wolf game then this post isn't something I would townread. I could be reading him on too low of a level.

The reason I thought this was town was because I don't really think that's how wolves talk to people scumreading them very often. Like, there's discrediting the person pushing on you when you're mafia, and there's saying "I don't believe your scumread on me is real", and it takes two different breeds of wolves.

On June 26 2018 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta what the hell is Ni?

On June 26 2018 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure i couldn't be further away from an introvert tbh.

On June 26 2018 22:31 Regfan wrote:
Sorry I forgot to sign again and got hit with flood control again. I'm bad at this.

-G

(Fyi I am INFP. I play against type a lot of the time because my intuitive side needs that grounding in process and fundamentals or I just fall off track and lose myself.)

On June 26 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote:


I think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person.

You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out.

On June 26 2018 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
It's weak-ish but enough for me to back off him.

On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote:


Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us?

I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before.

...

Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol.

On June 27 2018 08:33 Regfan wrote:
I'm including his knowledge that you and CopCake are dating as meta knowledge, I guess. And you've not exactly been a small presence so far..

On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:
##Vote: CopCake

Two reasons for this:

1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things.

2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine.

On June 27 2018 08:44 Regfan wrote:
(And by playstyle differences I mean Regfan is better at the game than I am and also has higher standards. I'm completely fine to just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that moment even if it sucks and I hate it an hour later, Regfan would never post something until it passed all his diagnostics without any error messages, beep boop boop.)

-G

On June 26 2018 23:48 Tictock wrote:


Mocsta, what was the most interesting thing to you in the thread when you wrote this?

On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote:
Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me.

Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things.

I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too.

The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming.

Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town.

On June 27 2018 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I didn't touch this before for someone else to debunk that shit aswell. well this isn't exactly it but like.. If you read Cake's posts she has either a townread or "non-scumread" on every player who has posted so far other than Calix, Holyflare and Regfan. Regfan is already at least "moderately pressured" by Mocsta at the time. Calix is the same, by me and Mocsta.

If you don't think anyone else is mafia, who do you want to pressure as town?

On June 27 2018 12:50 Tictock wrote:
I am removing Mocsta from my town pool, until further notice.

That is all.

On June 27 2018 13:21 CopCake wrote:
Well, Calix is your lock mafia and your case was poor in that mini case you did.

On June 27 2018 13:36 CopCake wrote:
Well the fact calix called me out... out of nowhere doesnt seem exactly like he is copying you.

I just read your other case post #426 but I dont think just one post is strong enough to lock down someone as mafia lr toen. It is Calix progression and how he contradics what makes me think he is mafia.

On June 27 2018 13:50 Tictock wrote:
Yea it was these couple of posts.


This town read makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that I am probably a little tunneled on Reg myself, possibly even just due to the Hydra thing, but this feels super forced.

& Post #426, his Calix case, which kept breaking my post for some reason.

It feels off how Mocsta is presenting these things from basically the begging of the game like he just discovered them. I could maybe see the first one but the second post about Calix's 3rd post feels more like something he dug up and realized he could write a whole bunch about it.

The post about Calix especially bugs me kus I brought this up withing the first few hours of the game, and eventually dismissed it as being rather flimsy. Mocsta was definitely around then, but had no reaction so it is so weird he is taking such emphasis with it now.

Idk, those posts gave me weird vibes when I read them and so I took a quick glance through Mocsta's filter. Everything just felt so flippant in his posts up until the last few hours, then suddenly a bunch of effort posts, a fairly shitty list post, and this "case" on Calix. By flippant here I mean there is no clear reads or direction in his posting. Feels like he suddenly decided to put out the effort.

There is a bit more, but I don't feel like writing a full essay here. And I already put it so eloquently in my last post.
...

Oh actually I did almost forget one thing.



Calix was 100% right about this, my memory was faulty and I was getting Mocsta mixed up with Grack in This game. It's odd that Mocsta would have had no clue what I was talking about but still replied "yea that one." I would be willing to write this point off as whatever since it doesn't scream mafia, but you should remember Mocsta keeps using his meta as a basis to read me. So the fact he is so blase about which game we last played in is super off.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 27 2018 14:10 Tictock wrote:
Oh before I shower I will say
@ Mocsta

Sorry I don't really do the whole interacting to sus people out. If I had any specific questions to you I'd ask, but I'm actually just mulling over my thoughts as I have them. I wasn't even going to elaborate on why I wasn't sure about you anymore till I had slept on it, but things just started flowing so I posted it.

On June 27 2018 14:15 Tictock wrote:


Wait that would have made a difference to you?

My point was that I'd put Calix, Rayn, and HF as a similar calibure of player, actually I have that sense about Regfan as well.

I don't think one day of discussion is sufficient to determine their alignment.

On June 27 2018 14:17 Tictock wrote:
arg, and yes I realize my vote is still on Reg

I never said I wasn't a hypocrite myself, but in my defense I am trying to figure out who is actually a good lynch today right now.

On June 27 2018 14:25 CopCake wrote:
I am going to play with the idea that Gemma didnt know reg was mafia and just posted that beautiful meme and Mafiacalix tried to fix it.

I mean even Gemma herself called out regfan in a post.

On June 27 2018 14:38 Regfan wrote:
Planning on doing some ISO's and deeper read thoughts on the more active players when I'm not at work to decide where I want to go today, also think a conversation with Gemma there is massively needed.

Current headspace is that I'm very confident (Bet the game level) that there's never more than 1 scum inside of Rayn/Calix/Cake, have Rayn/Calix as non-aligned, Rayn/Cake as non-aligned and Calix/Cake as non-aligned meaning it's going to take a looooot to convince me to lynch inside that grouping since the odds of hitting mafia outside of that is significantly higher.

- R

On June 27 2018 14:40 Tictock wrote:


I am concerned Calix is a mislynch, but only factor in how that would be bad for town.

How would it make me look bad? More to the point here, why would I as mafia stick my neck out to 180 when I've clearly done some legwork to have a perfectly valid reason to push Calix here?

These are the little snips that will get me to scumread you, it's hedging at it's finest. You are overall suggesting you think I am town but throw this bit in like you need to keep a line of reasoning that I am mafia.

On June 27 2018 15:01 Regfan wrote:
You're looking at it the wrong way around Moscta, I think there's a very realistic chance that the three of them are all town here and if there's only one scum inside them then firing inside that pool I'm still just shooting at a 1/3 chance of hitting scum at best.

If you think of at it from an angle of "Put them three to the side, remove people I'm confident are town" (Ideally it'll be 2-3 people at minimum) I'm left with a good chance of being in a position where I'm hitting in say 2/6 or 3/6 of the remainder which is fairly decent for D1. I consider the game as a puzzle so to speak, I build and move pieces until I've worked out and gamesolved and I've got a fairly high success rate doing it.

If I go through the deep read throughs and come out thinking one of them is suuuper likely scum, obviously this changes and turns into a "They flip scum, clear 2 people from it" but as it currently sits I don't feel that way about any of them at all.

On June 28 2018 07:04 Mocsta wrote:
Morning!

i cant believe 20pages in less than 12hrs!

Can someone give me a quick run down; or a link to key posts.

I cant read that critically before lynch

Thanks,

On June 28 2018 07:16 CopCake wrote:


You know shockey has the same scum reads as you right?

On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote:
If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit.

On June 28 2018 07:21 Koshi wrote:

Not surw if you can read.

On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read.

On June 28 2018 07:03 Koshi wrote:
After reading tt filter I want to betray rayn.

On June 28 2018 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Reading schockeyy I am ok with him dieing over TT. The betrayel is real but schockeyy is either bad town or mafia. TT is actually playing.

##unvote
Vote schockeyy

On June 28 2018 07:19 Koshi wrote:
If I TT is mafia I will pledge my vote to you next 10 games rayn. Next 10 votes. No shit.

On June 28 2018 07:26 Calix wrote:


I agree that Mocsta's vote is bad. Because it's off-wagon, nobody really cares about lynching Koshi, and it's basically hammering TT over a scum-read.

I am shamelessly giving Koshi a town read because he's agreeing with my reads and realises TT is incredibly townie which elevates him above half the fucking thread already.

On June 28 2018 07:30 Calix wrote:


I realise he's townie as fuck because he's said so much stuff that I, as someone who was in the same position as him, can relate to and it would be very hard for mafia to fake that. He is 100% town to me and everyone who thinks otherwise needs to get an eye check. His tone in particular is very genuine.

Also he's not even trying to save himself right now and is trying to help the town despite being the lynch.

It's so fucking obvious it hurts.

On June 28 2018 07:34 Calix wrote:


I can't answer for Koshi, dude.

I just don't know why you're voting for Koshi over Shockeyy when Koshi is not getting lynched today.

On June 28 2018 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Just trust in me

On June 28 2018 07:49 Vivax wrote:


Show me how you bend a spoon with your mind and I will

On June 28 2018 07:49 CopCake wrote:


Literally considering to vote you after this

You read a shit ton of posts on 5 minutes and all your mafia reads are town now?

On June 28 2018 07:51 Holyflare wrote:


I also thought this.

On June 28 2018 07:52 Regfan wrote:
Anyone up for a CFD on Vivax here?

- R

On June 28 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think the time that elapsed was sufficient for you to filter dive that amount of stuff. Looks weird.

On June 28 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
Is this relevant on who to lynch mocsta.

On June 28 2018 08:25 Holyflare wrote:
I think you guys are playing a different game. None of the people (maybe shockey) up for lynch were scummy in the slightest. Half the thread had made absolutely no comment on the leading wagons because they were afk or busy. Rayn had just started to become scummy amd regfan has discord chats outstanding.

With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town.

That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense.

Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too.

I'm happy with vivax and even koshi.

On June 28 2018 08:33 Calix wrote:


I'll accept this as a rationale for your EOD.

Doesn't hurt that you agree with me a lot when it comes to reads. I'm not sure about CopCake but it's undeniable that she made a fair few terrible posts near EOD. Might need to reread her.

I would add Mocsta to the list but we'll see what he does when he's properly caught up.

On June 28 2018 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
If shockeyy is mafia then tt could have quite easily voted him and those people would be bussing shockeyy if they were mafia for no reason.

On June 28 2018 08:51 Tictock wrote:


I am confused, I thought you townread me after the stuff so posted about you a day or so ago, which was more or less the last time you were in the game.

On June 28 2018 11:22 Tictock wrote:


You may be right, but I'm also all for figuring out a good way of actually getting everyone on that page.

It doesn't work to well to say "hey you are all town, don't worry about it" when half the people are still muttering under their breath.

However yea, breaks are good.

On June 28 2018 11:24 CopCake wrote:


What makes rayn mafia? Explain to me on a case because last I remember me and you had the same reads and suddenly in 5 min you changed your mind.

On June 28 2018 11:33 Tictock wrote:


Yea I agree, Vivax looks pretty townie to me here. He's been a bit off the walls, but not by a huge margine. I glanced over a bit of his filter at some point and it looks a lot more like Vivax trying to figuer out a world that makes sense to him that trying to see what shit-flinging would stick.

Especially Vivax's eod, he pushed for who he wanted lynched, and defended people he thought were town. He was pretty invovled and made some good points.

Actually looking back over a bit of his filter, he looks really towny from my PoV kus he had made some posts earlier about suspecting I could be mafia, so I know he could have easily gotten me lynched. Given how active I am being this game, I can't imagine mafia being that willing to save me to help get BF lynched.

On June 28 2018 11:36 CopCake wrote:
My feedback is that I am not seeing raynmafia! In this game.

Last time he was mafia it was a rsoultin game, the drawing game in which I had a very difficult time with HF and many others (I bet you are not surprised) and I could feel rayn mafia but I wasnt 100% sure, Rayn made this huge “OMG I feel so insulted brb gonna be modkilled” and the host “cleared him” and HF also did so the rest of the game he afk’d forever and in this game he hasnt done that.

In fact, he took the time to read my other games, he was probably not so sure about me because if I remember correctly I jumped on him and told him the whole meme case was dumb since it was a meme, deffended TT, etc (Wow I sheep rayn too much!) until he noticed that I had a meta (Which I never realized) and got a FACT to prove all of YOu that I am town. I never saw this as a pocketing because if he wanted to pocket me he would be all super buddy buddy but no, he was firm and like neutral towards me.

He then did a case for Calix, he has been scumhunting and putting effort, his most “eh” post is when I said the only way he could be mafia is if Calix is town but that is it.

On June 28 2018 11:49 CopCake wrote:
Explain to me the part of the “hissy fit” please?

On June 28 2018 11:55 CopCake wrote:
I feel kinda mad yeah, I can understand the feeling but to be like “all of you suck” doesnt work because I dont think we have been bad to reg, I think HF called Gemma out for that.

What I have problems it to clear Calix and TT.

Calix wanted to kill an AFK, she said so when I asked her which were her mafia reads and it seems she had problems to lynch boxfred? I mean maybe is because shotkeys? Was her mafia read but I do think that if she felt firmly that shotkey was mafia she would try to convince people and give reasons why he is mafia and TT isnt.

On June 28 2018 12:17 Tictock wrote:
Wondering if Mocsta will notice his mistake, and in the meantime if reading comprehension is this big an issue or if I'm being pandered too.

On June 28 2018 12:23 CopCake wrote:
Shotkey*

On June 28 2018 12:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am npt sure why i even asked him to play. I probably thought he could actually handle a game where people argue with him.

On June 28 2018 12:22 CopCake wrote:


I have problems with this, I personally would go to lynch my mafia read and go to try to make others follow me, not make others follow me (or in this case with the help of HF) to help to vote for an AFK. If she wouldnt hesitated then I understand because that was her first position but when the time came and she got a gun to shot... she was like “Oh no I am doing this to save TT”

It is like she hesitated because she knew boxerfred was town? Or her frustation came because shotkey wasnt being lynched?

Either way I would have learned MORE if TT or even Shitjey would have been lynched, now I am here; stuck with ny same reads, confused because I see a lot of change of hearts.

On June 28 2018 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He himself proved he is town by bs shit.

On June 28 2018 12:40 Tictock wrote:


So, you didn't understand why I would not switch back to Shokey, but thought both of us could be mafia. So you had to have concluded that we were mafia together and I was wanting to save my teammate then correct?

The boxer thing I was in total agreence about if you noticed.

---

Care to elaborate?

---

You somehow got reg and conversion totally confused, not sure how you made that mistake unless you only glanced at my post without reading it.

On June 28 2018 12:41 CopCake wrote:


I am gonna assume rayn is mad because gemma used a super cheap appeal to emotion card that made him feel bad flr no reason.

Rayn is a very sweet person and cares for his friends. That is why he invited refgan and slenderman here.

On June 27 2018 21:40 Regfan wrote:
@Rayn - Lets talk, want to put your brain in for a second if you can find it?

Maybe there's a reason that Gemma and myself weren't playing much as a hydra for the prior parts? Hmmm. Let me think, oh yeah, I wasn't fucking here for ~20 hours and mentioned a few times I'm going to my girlfriends last night and would have zero chance to get to a computer. You know, that thing that I haven't been joining games of mafia for a while due to and why I've had to tell you no to playing prior games, yeah that? This really should be something that you'd have realised fucking ages ago. Oh and me playing this game a jigsaw puzzle and that I'm trying to break things into blocks and solve them that way re; what I was saying with you/calix/cake, the same thing where I've mentioned I assess things differently and look for anti-alignments in games to you before I agreed to come play a game here. And it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand why I'm more hesitant when it comes to reading you here, I pretty much know if you're scum and I state a town read on you here, you'll shoot me N1 and then make fun of me post-game for misreading you; sure I may have had a fairly good grip on reading you in the past, and heck, maybe I still do, but I've made it pretty clear in that I've changed a lot as a player since back then and I'm normally more patient when it comes to some reads. I wanted to be able to interact with you a lot and actually see you gamesolve to be able to solidify a read on you. But yeah, you're town, I don't think you go with this much of a stupid attack here if you're scum at all and think it's literally just another case of you not thinking about anything deeply at all, or stepping back and analysing and trying to solve.

So congrats, you've properly tilted me, happens very fucking rarely, but yeah, you're wrong on Calix, you're town and you're still completely unbearable to play with and I'm going for a run because I don't want to even deal with this shit anymore.

- R

On June 27 2018 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you're probably town after all. Actually no, definitely. You have some weird way of twisting my play into some fucking bullshit about you when it is -- and has never been like that. It is cheap way to prove you're town Regfan, in my opinion. Whenever i disagree with you or think you are mafia you blow up and make a post like this. Also no, if i am mafia in this game i never shoot you N1 and no, i won't, or ever have made fun of you after game, as any fucking alignment (except for when you told erveryone in the game i am the worst player ever and then i got angry and single-handedly lynched all mafia and SK in a row because i got pissed off at you). And even then, that was my way of making fun of you, indirectly.

So if you wanna talk about something yeah, we can talk. I am gonna be gone for like 5-6 hours though. Maybe Gemma can like share the secret of why TT is a scumread because it still isn't out there. I also disagree with your reads on Koshi and Shockeyy. I do not think they are overly townie but when i have an actual scumread i am not lynching a null over scumread.

On June 28 2018 12:48 Tictock wrote:
So you are just pandering to me then Mocsta?

Kus you clearly weren't trying to understand what I said in that post.

On June 28 2018 13:39 CopCake wrote:
I am still waiting for someone to tell me how rayn is mafia.

On June 27 2018 21:16 Vivax wrote:
HF/koshi/shockey works for me actually. Probably a better combination than one including rayn, although I don't understand his anger about conversion, mostly cause I would just agree that I'm a dick at times.

On June 28 2018 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Copcop feels slightly townie after reread if I add a spanish accent to her wording so I guess the guys who are scum besides schockey are mocmoc and raynrayn. I'm sort of feeling good about HF as I don't believe he's just going to stay on boxer. I can't get rid of the feeling he's just sort of derping around tho.

On June 28 2018 09:55 Tictock wrote:
Rayn is totes mafia, you also need to still explain why you think I am mafia. You keep putting out really vuage things about it.

Wait, actually weren't you the one who thought I was town and it was G who thought I was mafia? What happened?

On June 28 2018 10:22 Tictock wrote:
Yea that was after I wanted to lynch Rayn, also I may not have been fully caught up at that time. If so I guess that is my bad. I kept thinking I was was almost caught up, but this game has been pretty active.

On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote:
1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far

2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong.

If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi

My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books

On June 28 2018 08:25 Holyflare wrote:
I think you guys are playing a different game. None of the people (maybe shockey) up for lynch were scummy in the slightest. Half the thread had made absolutely no comment on the leading wagons because they were afk or busy. Rayn had just started to become scummy amd regfan has discord chats outstanding.

With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town.

That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense.

Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too.

I'm happy with vivax and even koshi.

On June 28 2018 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
2018 power tier list sheep or die

Calix
TT

Vivax
Conversion
Mocsta

Koshi (potential to move up)
Copcake
Slenderman (why)

Reg (possibly not with rayn)
Shockey (possibly not with rayn)
Rayn

On June 28 2018 14:09 CopCake wrote:
What is PoE?

I am not used to the terms. Probably appeal to emotion is the only one I use with meta.

On June 28 2018 16:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've tried being nice to you but you decided to modkill yourself instead when faced with totally non-toxic pressure so good day to you. I hope you find pleasure playing mafia elsewhere.

On June 28 2018 19:18 Holyflare wrote:


He's done it before when someone swore on their life that they were town and he got annoyed that it was a cheap way to confirm themselves. Pretty sure he was town then too.

On June 28 2018 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
I wouldn't care if someone cheaply became town unless I was mafia lol

On June 28 2018 22:09 CopCake wrote:
Explain the part “copcake is annoying”

On June 28 2018 22:24 Calix wrote:


Rayn came in and asked "why does ShoCkeyy have votes?"

At the time, ShoCkeyy had three votes.

One vote was me (his top scum-read).

One vote was Vivax (another one of rayn's scum-reads).

The third vote was Tictock.

Therefore it doesn't make sense for him to ask that question. Because the obvious answer from rayn's point of view is that mafia are trying to mislynch ShoCkeyy.

When I asked him this, rayn just called me "super scummy" and never answered the question.

On June 28 2018 22:43 CopCake wrote:
So yeah, now 100% confident that Rayn is town now and that bullshit of “He knows town will be lynched” doesnt work because he never had TT in his scumlist, in fact I think I asked him “dont you see TT x Calix”

On June 28 2018 22:48 CopCake wrote:
Yeah I think this is quite solid that you are not mafia.

On June 28 2018 22:58 Calix wrote:


Referring to yourself as a babe might be a stretch there, luv ^^

On June 28 2018 23:03 Vivax wrote:
my current wild guess is cop rayn shockeyy

On June 28 2018 23:12 Vivax wrote:


Yea you still are sort of swappable for one of them. Not Shockey tho

On June 28 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote:
So I caught up a little but not fully.

Calix do me a favour and go back to being an obstructive dick and never ever describe me as a beautiful butterfly again, I thought I was going to puke.

The only way to overcome my laziness in games is to be given obstacles I want to pass. Right now I don't feel like I have to do anything besides pushing for a shockey lynch attempt take 2.

On June 28 2018 23:29 Vivax wrote:


Can't get rid of the feeling you are trying to pocket me.
What country are you from btw? Weren't you also austrian or something?

On June 28 2018 23:31 Calix wrote:


I'm now tempted to add saccharine descriptions of how wonderful you are every time I refer to you.

But for real, we're all fucking around, making glorified shit-posts and waiting for the less-townie people (ShoCkeyy, TheSlenderMan, rayn, Koshi, whoever floats your boat) to do something. I'm just bored right now and have no drive to do anything because nothing's made me consider whether my reads are well off.

Maybe mafia team are demotivated so that leaves the townies bickering among themselves or something. Seems a bit easy but I'm not seeing why I should think otherwise.

On June 28 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:
Mocsta, why did you vote BF?

On June 29 2018 00:30 Holyflare wrote:


My nk analysis just said it's a mocsta nk and it was....?

On June 29 2018 01:23 Tictock wrote:


You are also probably mafia for not doing any investigation yourself and just constantly reacting to what everyone else is presenting. Like you changed your own opinion about Rayn after every post HF made.

You are just on the sidelines cheering ppl on and nodding your head at what you assume to be the right time.

On June 29 2018 01:35 CopCake wrote:
Also just a friendly reminder that HF wants modkills :D and ai think Vivax too.

On June 29 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:


Didn't you hard townread Regfan who said don't vote boxerfred, and wanted to lynch Shockeyy? or anyone but boxerfred?

On June 29 2018 03:25 Holyflare wrote:


He is an entity that has completely fallen from grace.

Null tbh. Want more.

On June 29 2018 05:48 Tictock wrote:


I was hoping for a bit more than this as well.

---

As for my own view, I've stated it at least once today, but I'm gunna back it up a bit more.

First off Mocsta's reads are really not very clear in his filter. He made one big list post in #440 which has a bunch of townreads, Calix as his main scum read, and some sus on Vivax and Koshi.

He has some discussion with Reg which results in this.


Not really clear what happened to his Vivax read, and it is a bit odd that he is willing to drop his main scumread Calix because he trusts Reg.



He returns to the game just a few hours before lynch and has almost no direction, though he does stick with his earlier post about Koshi and Shokey as he votes both of them. However none of these reads have any real conviction as he kinda throws the votes out just kus.




Not gunna dig too much on this as a couple other people pointed out Mocsta goes from asking for help getting caught up to sudden;y having time to dive filters.


He also seems to have remembered he had a scumread on Vivax at this point.

Other than Vivax dropping off his radar Mocsta's read are fairly consistent I suppose. My issue is that there is just no drive to catch mafia in Mocsta's play. He dropped his only real scumread kus he respected Regs opinion, and kinda just floundered all of EoD.

Now we get back to his play this night phase which has a similar lack of direction and drive. He is playing nice and talking with people, but his opinion changes almost every other post due to what someone else says.

I keep coming back to my interaction with him last night as well. He acted like he was reading my post about Rayn and Conversion, but totally missed the mark and somehow thought I was talking about Regfan. When I pointed that out he still didn't read the post correctly. He similarly pulled a few quotes from my filter but didn't bother to check the context and misread the meaning again. It felt a lot like the thing me mistaking the last game I played with him, he just agreed to whatever I said without caring that it was wrong.

Just this very consistent sense that he doesn't actually want to solve this game. I can't shake it.

On June 29 2018 07:58 Tictock wrote:
Mocosta you added nothing, Reg had nothing to do with any of the stuff I was talking about re: Rayn vs Conv.

Look at the fucking post, or read the goddam game yourself. I'm tired of you talking past what I was pretty clearly pointing out. Rayn even made a post that confirmed what I was saying, and I pointed this out and linked it back to the post in question.

And my point was less that all of this tells me you are mafia, than it leaves me no grounds to call you town.

On June 29 2018 08:02 Tictock wrote:



Dude I was never talking about Regfan-Rayn

Geezus

On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it.

On June 28 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote:
I can also see a conversion cop mocsta world btw. Where if it isn't mocsta it's rayn.

This is why it's super annoying to play mafia with couples, especially when at least one of them takes it to the personal level.

On June 29 2018 09:39 CopCake wrote:
Yeah, mafia never kills to frame 🙄

On June 26 2018 11:38 CopCake wrote:



We are like Tina and Lex

On June 29 2018 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Noone is going to lynch you today most likely. Unless you decide to go all emo over nothing and possibly throw away your vote like 5 minutes into D2.

On June 29 2018 11:54 CopCake wrote:


Nope, you changed your mind like in 3 minutes on the end of the day when she was leading.

On June 27 2018 20:54 Regfan wrote:

I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done.

I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary.

I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway.

I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI.

I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it.

I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all.

On June 29 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:


Sorry if I am "difficult" but then explain to me your vote on Boxerored and not Shockey if you think he is mafia?

"REASONS"



It is difficult to me to imagine a town not voting for a mafia read but instead an afk person.

On June 29 2018 12:38 CopCake wrote:


Conversion was on TT, last moment was on Shockey, gonna check his filter again to see if he ever mentioned him.

The problem here is that you had a scum read, two scum reads on wagons.

You got convinced on one, but the other one????

I am gonna start to type sorry in each post in case I piss off some for my questions.

Sorry.

On June 29 2018 12:43 CopCake wrote:


There you have it.

Conversion is so fucking town.

His change of vote was to save Boxfred.

GG.

On June 29 2018 13:01 CopCake wrote:


He wanted to kill his mafia reads, never a town.

Unless you think TT and Shockey are both town idk how Conversion's pov doesn't work with yours since you also think Shockey is mafia.

Conversion tried HARD to kill Shockey to save Boxerfred.

On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air.

On June 26 2018 21:38 Conversion wrote:


I’m peeved Mocsta acknowledged I was “making hits” and didn’t answer my question.

CopCake randomly townreading me (though the screen touching joke was funny) bothers me

Calix not answering why she voted HF bothers me

Nothing substantial yet. CopCake feels town even though she randoy townread peopl earlier but I’d want to mull on it a bit more

On June 26 2018 10:17 Holyflare wrote:
We should be lynch ticktock though.

On June 26 2018 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
im not against this either

On June 26 2018 11:49 Conversion wrote:
why

On June 29 2018 14:37 CopCake wrote:


The problem here is that some people decided not to bote for their reads and vivax derped hard.

The problem is also you not voting for shockey.

I am sorry once again, but you dont voting dor your mafia read is strange.

This come again with:

Did you not want shockey lynched because it would clear me, rayn, etc or not? (If town)

Would his death put a red light (if mafia) to Calix, yourself, etc.


I cant believe people picked an afk over a read -____-

On June 29 2018 17:00 Calix wrote:


I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange?

On June 27 2018 21:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake".

It stars with Calix here:



What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it.

here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix.


Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax"


Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town...

On June 28 2018 01:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Says this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out?

On June 28 2018 04:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I don't care why you may think I'm more mafia, but what is making you think TT maybe town?