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I simply don't have much to add rn. Also when someone acts like complete ass towards me for no reason at all i am gonna grab my tools and go home. I have better things to do than lose my mental health over some idiot.
Calix is painfully obviously mafia. Vote on Vivax means absolutely nothing since it's probably the best thing to do regardless of Vivax' affiliation. She isn't even trying to do anything after Cake case, simply just nothing, except for looking into lurkers (which also was btw scummy as per her opinion). If i have ever seen a staged conversation it is the one between Calix and Vivax. Oh my dear god i laughed at it yesterday. 
Vivax has simply zero train of thought in anything he has said this game. It is that simple.
I am growing more and more suspicions regarding the hydra. Probably our third mafia right there. Some bullet points:
- The thing i talked about earlier where Regfan's and Gemma's thoughts never even try to meld. It was like they are playing a completely different game by themselves and not even trying to figure out which one is wrong when they have a differing opinion on something. Magically, now, when i point this out, it changes! Except that this doesn't make any sense either since Gemma tried to feed some "you don't probably just know how playing as hydra works" bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. But anyways, if she believes in that, there is no reason to change the way they act. So basically it is just done because someone figured out it is not natural what they were doing, and it is because the only reasons you would want to do that is to either stay on both side of the fences or if "one person fucks up, the other one cleans after".
- Then there is the thing where Gemma calls Calix town because Calix was nice, and me mafia because i was not nice, early on in the game. When Calix answers my case later on (i should also note that Calix never really touches the actual case even, just some random shit about wording and stuff), what's Gemma's opinion... Calix is supertown because Calix is not nice!!!! Yeahhhh, it's quite amusing when supposedly same standards work in the opposite way regading who is the person in question.
- Same with Regfan's read on Calix. The post where Mocsta did go into argument with him earlier today. Regfan doesn't want to lynch Calix because some bs about some three people not being mafia together and some percentage stuff. What is that even, you lynch people who are scummy. If you don't want to lynch someone then you don't think they are scummy. Regfan never even says if he thinks Calix is scummy or not, just some crap that has nothing to do with Calix' affiliation and the conclusion is "not a good lynch". Way to present a "read" without actually saying anything about the person.
- Then there is this TT read. 12 hours ago Gemma literally posted this; "We both felt good about TT at the same time.". Suddenly Gemma heavily dislikes TT, for no apparent reason. Basically the only thing TT has done since 12 hrs ago is agreed with the hydra's read that Calix is not necessarily a good lynch. That is literally the only thing that has changed regarding tictocks reads after Gemma called him town. Conclusion; Holyflare watch out, you see what they are doing?
- I am not sure i believe regfan doesn't have a read on me since basically every game we have been together in he (as town) always claims "rayn is super easy to read when he is town" (which also simply by association means i am easy to read when i am mafia). If that is correct or not, it's irrelevant, it's relevant he believes so regardless how much of time has passed from our last game together.
So yeah, those are my scumreads. I pretend Conversion doesn't exist in the game but he is most likely not mafia anyways.
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Huh, I actually didn't see ShoCkeyy's post where he actively scum-reads TT. I only saw that one about the medic or mafia conclusion.
Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen.
TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other.
Yeah, could lynch this ^^
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Rayn do you think we staged enough conversations or should I come up with something new?
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On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong.If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/KoshiMy Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books
Rayn scumreads both of us btw.
Bolded things in your post look contradictory at 1st glance. after your town reads it looks like you forgot to add something to that combo.
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I've actually been fairly susp. of conv. all day btw. But he's been a good banter.
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On June 27 2018 21:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote:On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong.If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/KoshiMy Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books Rayn scumreads both of us btw. Bolded things in your post look contradictory at 1st glance. after your town reads it looks like you forgot to add something to that combo.
The reads are an "If" my friend. I don't like PoE, but you four are the most unsure to me. Aside from people who haven't posted once. Also meant to clarify I see you more town than mafia. And rayn doesn't scumread me.
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I think I agree with rayn about reg. None of the posts they seem to pick out would usually mean anything to an alignment.
Not sure about his calix read though.
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God bless European heroes are here now.
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@Rayn - Lets talk, want to put your brain in for a second if you can find it?
Maybe there's a reason that Gemma and myself weren't playing much as a hydra for the prior parts? Hmmm. Let me think, oh yeah, I wasn't fucking here for ~20 hours and mentioned a few times I'm going to my girlfriends last night and would have zero chance to get to a computer. You know, that thing that I haven't been joining games of mafia for a while due to and why I've had to tell you no to playing prior games, yeah that? This really should be something that you'd have realised fucking ages ago. Oh and me playing this game a jigsaw puzzle and that I'm trying to break things into blocks and solve them that way re; what I was saying with you/calix/cake, the same thing where I've mentioned I assess things differently and look for anti-alignments in games to you before I agreed to come play a game here. And it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand why I'm more hesitant when it comes to reading you here, I pretty much know if you're scum and I state a town read on you here, you'll shoot me N1 and then make fun of me post-game for misreading you; sure I may have had a fairly good grip on reading you in the past, and heck, maybe I still do, but I've made it pretty clear in that I've changed a lot as a player since back then and I'm normally more patient when it comes to some reads. I wanted to be able to interact with you a lot and actually see you gamesolve to be able to solidify a read on you. But yeah, you're town, I don't think you go with this much of a stupid attack here if you're scum at all and think it's literally just another case of you not thinking about anything deeply at all, or stepping back and analysing and trying to solve.
So congrats, you've properly tilted me, happens very fucking rarely, but yeah, you're wrong on Calix, you're town and you're still completely unbearable to play with and I'm going for a run because I don't want to even deal with this shit anymore.
- R
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I think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake".
It stars with Calix here:
On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.
What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz?
What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it.
here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix.
On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote:
I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff.
Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax"
On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now.
Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town...
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meant to quote this, since I was responding here:
On June 27 2018 21:23 Calix wrote:Huh, I actually didn't see ShoCkeyy's post where he actively scum-reads TT. I only saw that one about the medic or mafia conclusion. Show nested quote +Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other. Yeah, could lynch this ^^
Which btw, who else has more than "six" scumreads if you can answer that?
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Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy?
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SHockey why is claiming to be unlynchable something mafia does? Either he gets shot or he doesn't do a full claim D2 and dies.
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On June 27 2018 21:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:meant to quote this, since I was responding here: Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 21:23 Calix wrote:Huh, I actually didn't see ShoCkeyy's post where he actively scum-reads TT. I only saw that one about the medic or mafia conclusion. Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other. Yeah, could lynch this ^^ Which btw, who else has more than "six" scumreads if you can answer that?
I do so I don't need to look for whoever else thinks AFKs contain most of the mafia
Well technically, I have a POE of five people but whatever.
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As easy as this Calix
3 town players and why
3 mafia players and why
Reads pls.
I think I have asked this before to someone but I didnt fet an answer. 🤷🏽♀️
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On June 27 2018 21:52 CopCake wrote:
As easy as this Calix
3 town players and why
3 mafia players and why
Reads pls.
I think I have asked this before to someone but I didnt fet an answer. 🤷🏽♀️
You asked me.
I answered.
Annnnnnnnnd you ignored most of what I said to complain about how I am now focusing on inactives after saying it was bad you were focusing on inactives despite the context being different.
So forgive me if I'm not repeating this argument again with someone who is literally asking me to repeat stuff I've already told them!
If you want your answers, actually read my filter.
If you have any questions, go read it again.
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Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math.
If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow.
If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker.
If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play.
If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable".
On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy?
My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too.
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After reading a bit of TT I will have to agree that there is a scummy stink to his posts.
I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia.
And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now.
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On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too.
Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night.
I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia.
TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^
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