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On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote: Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead. What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? | ||
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Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote: @Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare Because I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote: Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste? Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah. This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote: He had the same thinking process as me - I have free time but no one will do shit - Actually I will try to do work - Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote: I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote: Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive On June 26 2018 12:30 CopCake wrote: Koshi, Vivax and Boxer I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town. In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:22 CopCake wrote: 1.- Stupid questionSSSSS? I only remember Rayns. 2.- I ASSUME you now think Regfan is town??? 3.- Me confusing members I dont know is common specially if I am not used to the member base, can ask Rayn, slenderman, etc. 4.- Oh sweetheart, I only cared for the inactives? Maybe that is why I jumped to explain why I think ticktock is town, or maybe why the regfan first post is a meme, or why Mocsta’s thinking process about my question is not bad. Like literally, if I tried to pocket people I would follow a train but nope 🚂 but nope this is cake giving her reads. 5.- “Cake says regfan is town for the seer comment etc meme whatever” Eh, I said that the post is NOT mafia indicative ^^ since no mafia would want to have the spotlight since the beginning. Nevertheless; I didnt like regfan asking me questions and throwing them away, like he got info, he didnt do anything with it but yet he is judging mocta for doing the same? (While mocta’s question is good so is quite ironic from reg) So now, tell me Calix, who told you to go after me? I am an Open Book and I think my process of thinking has been on top. 2. Since I'm arguing that you have TMI on several players, Regfan being one of them, this question answers itself. 3. I'm not sure what this part is in response to or how it is relevant. 4. Saying you want to put pressure on inactives and giving a list of inactive names (which mafia love doing this because it's safe and doesn't give away anything) is focusing on the inactives, yes. I don't give a flying fuck about your TMI town-reads because mafia already know who the townies are so obviously they can give reasons to town-read people. I care about who you think is mafia because that's the part mafia actually find difficult to fabricate. Where are your scum-reads? Where is paranoia? Where are the accusations? You prove my point because the evidence you provide to show you're not 'just focusing on inactives' is listing the (active) people you are defending/ town-reading. 5. If it isn't something that mafia would want to do then that implies Regfan is town for doing it without any prompting, not that he's null. If you dislike Regfan's aimless questions (from your point of view) then is that a scum read? Are you going to like, actually vote or anything? If he isn't a scum read then what is your conclusion on him and why? Why are you accusing me of being mafia? You don't explain how you reached this conclusion or how my post on you is more mafia-motivated than town-motivated. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:56 CopCake wrote: Lol, Calix got heated and instead of fighting the people that pointed fingers at him his first post is to make a case of me 🤷🏽♀️ Ofc that shit is staged. Like any town would try to clean himself but creating a case of me (Bad one). Literally his case is “town do this, mafia do that” not wveryone play the same way. @mocsta Like forcing me to push someone lmao, I already said before I suspect HF and I am not liking the last couple of posts of regfan, specially his engage towards you If I have a scum read then why would I waste time defending myself when I could be figuring out your alignment and prove myself town through scum-hunting? What kind of shite logic is this?! Yes, I have certain ideas of what town and mafia would do in certain situations and I think your current play fits a mafia agenda better. I don't know how you play so I have to make general assumptions, duh. Hell, your very response makes an assumption about how town plays (town would want to defend themselves first and foremost) and then you criticise me for doing the same thing when it comes to reading you! If I'm wrong then I'm sure your townieness will shine through but right now? Nah mate. What's your problem with HF anyway? | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:08 CopCake wrote: HF’s case on ticktock was super bad “He stroke some phrase” He also never answered me, when I asked to explain me his case, probably one of the stupid questions I made  mDidn't HF just say that TT has a scummy tone and forced opening posts? I don't find it persuasive but I also can see how he might conclude that as town. And he just recently explained to Mocsta that 'the phrasing TT uses feels overly wordy for the little points he is making and it feels un-TT-like' so what does he have left to explain in your opinion? | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:16 CopCake wrote: Actually Calix. I assume you here are saying that Regfan/Gemma is town for posting a meme no? Or what did you mean with this? “Prefabricated” “Before getting a role pm” It is very... specific. Like someone would write that prefabricated... who on their right mind would? Your assumption is incorrect. I state in that very post you quoted that I think it's NAI. | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:18 CopCake wrote: It was supper bad, like I have played with HF before and he is good, super good. His TT case was bad, dissapointing. I have to interfere because I had his same process, TT didnt seem forced, and I think after that, he also looks super town. So a meta/ expectation read. Sure. Precisely how strong are your other town reads, may I just ask? I don't think TT is 'super town' myself; there just isn't enough evidence to have a read THAT strong in my opinion. So I would like to know how you have that much confidence since I'm not getting the same strong town vibes from people. I'm also going to divert the topic onto something more general since I don't know you very well: How do you play? How many games have you played? When was the last time you actually played and specifically when you played with HF? I'm assuming you're an old-timer who was dragged back from the Stone Age myself  | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:24 CopCake wrote: Explain your post to others, not just me. Others had problems with it also. Don't think there's much to explain. All I really say is "I think this post is NAI. While Regfan is here, I will ask for general info about him". Not that deep, fam. I read rayn's posts and I don't get why people think they're good since I don't even really understand them. His posts on me don't say much other than "any SMART person would have done X and Calix didn't do X therefore she's suspicious" and he didn't really explain mafia motivation. Basically he's insulting my intelligence, not calling me mafia. TT said my post was bad because PMs were sent out an hour before and thus it could have been AI. This is a moot point because it's a confirmed meme. I don't know who else said anything about it and think this whole meme thing has been flogged a fair bit at this point. | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. So you say that I missed the possibility that mafia didn't read the OP and didn't know about the cop. Then say that "any smart person" (important qualifier that reveals you're not calling me mafia, just stupid) would have asked some questions instead of concluding it meant nothing. Then you make a very weak meta read that you're not really qualified to make. Forgive me if I'm not wowed by your analysis. I'm more convinced you're taking shots at me yet again as opposed to thinking you believe any of this makes me scum. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will tell you a secret. During work i went through every single mafia game i ever remember Cake playing on teamliquid and as mafia she has absolutely zero townreads during the first cycle. Literally zero. I will tell you another secret, there is simply no reason to think Cake is mafia because she is mostly interested in my alignment or what i think her is. You could simply just go look at any game we have played together in in last years or so. Painting one question you can't understand (while you could just simply ask -- or go check) as "useless questionS" is not only lazy as hell, it's also misconstruing the whole thing in the first place. Third secret. Who needs Gemma the seer when you have Calix the "i didn't really care to read anything much i just went to some random person's filter that btw doesn't make any sense to go to in the first place given the playerbase and hallelujah!! Every post was a mafia post!" yeah right. Looking for mafia or looking for a lynch? The only potentially good point is the meta thing and how that might point to a town!CopCake. But it's not something I'm going to bet the bank on unless it's relatively recent meta. The fact that you're accusing me of not 'looking at any game [you and Copcake] have played together' in a 200-post game when I already stated I have time constraints is such an unreasonable expectation to have. I think you're nitpicking at what I didn't do to paint me as 'not trying hard enough to understand CopCake'. You made the assumption that everyone has the time to go digging through past games to fact-check things and me not doing this at the start of the game is somehow mafia-indicative. Oh, and that being "lazy" means anything. As for your last paragraph, I looked at CopCake's filter after that post I didn't like so it made perfect sense to read, and then noticed the rest of the filter was bad. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:24 Regfan wrote: I'm just going to leave reading you to Regfan, because I don't understand how you are ever town after that post. -G Explain? | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix you have been around postwise three hours easily more than me now yet the only thing you have managed to do is to get on a shitting contest after Cake already told you basically half of the things i did. It took me like 5 minutes to find all the games she has played on TL. It took me like 15 minutes to read the filters until D2 (or N1 -- i don't think "D2 meta" can be compared to early game anyways since it just simply cant because the amount of information available). Here are the games go see by yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510083-1-day-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501883-pick-your-power-intriguing -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/495390-crossfire-mafia -- town In the first three games i did play aswell. This took 5 minutes using the search, which anyone is aware of if they have played mafia on TL. I do not believe you can simply just be so simple minded you decide that "oh those things jsut make her mafia" when you have absolutely no clue about her personality or how she plays. Like Gemma's approach to the situation is perfectly valid, so is Mocsta's. They take the route where they actually think about what something means and try to make some sense to something that doesn't make sense for them atm. You just pick a post, sometimes even completely misrepresent it (see the questionS) and decide it is a mafia post). It is jsut not an approach a townie takes. Uh, so what if I've been awake for longer than you have? I have a life. I do non-mafia-related stuff. This is you yet AGAIN imposing this expectation of what I "should" have done by X arbitrary point that isn't founded in anything and which you're not applying to any other player. Yes, I don't know about half the players in the game, don't really know most of the other players, and have to make educated guesses as to their alignment with incomplete information. That's literally why I'm playing this game. Your point? I don't know how to respond to the last two sentences since you don't give much evidence. Sorry to say that the difference between plural and singular with 'questions' does not count. In any case, talking to you has made me more convinced that you are also mafia. I don't get the impression you're actually talking TO me, more AT me, and I see no evidence you care about why I'm doing anything. It reminds me of talking to CH from last game if we're going to use meta references | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:59 CopCake wrote: Lol what is this, make hard accusations and when someone debunks you or has more experience playing with someone suddenly his reasons are invalid? What the fuck are you on about, lady? I said his meta point on you might be valid but that it's not a reason to throw out my suspicions on you. And if you think that I'm going to stop scum-reading you on the basis of meta alone and not from anything you've said THIS game, you have another thing coming. Pick up the pace or get lynched. It is that simple. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:05 Mocsta wrote: lol this is the post that made me solidfy my read on calix vs cupcake Mainky because of how calix broke out of character to address rayn The tone is so different.. somewhat fearful compared to with ubk own cupcake I.e. hamming up aggression out of fear Did this guy who has literally never seen me play before just say that me being 'aggressive' is out of character? JFC. If I'm your scum-read then why aren't you trying to talk TO me here? I'm literally right here in the thread with you and you don't seem to give a shit. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:28 Holyflare wrote: But it's not funny and that's my point. If it's a joke it's trying too hard to blend in. If it's real it's unnatural. Just feels wrong no matter what to me. Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:46 Holyflare wrote: I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it. Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing. Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said. No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak. Why am I scummy exactly? I agree Vivax's post is bad. And how so re: Conversion? | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:50 Holyflare wrote: Also what new information on tt should I have when he's posted nothing new? I was giving examples of stuff you do when talking about reads in general. I'm saying that since you haven't done too much with the TT read aside from explain it, talk about something else ^^ | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote: I think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person. You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out. How would I know CopCake is 'confusing'? I have no knowledge of her play. With this in mind, I can't see how you concluded what you did. Especially the part about me caring how I look. | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:15 Conversion wrote: if your points didn't change, why is this a scum read? if anything it seems more town-indicative to make a statement such as "there is a real seer" when there isn't a "seer" I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^ | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:26 Conversion wrote: We might be reading things differently, but CopCake's post to me seemed like she was saying more so that no mafia would ever posture that he/she is a seer, when there is a real seer. Wouldn't saying 'no mafia would ever do X' be saying that someone is townie for doing X since no mafia would do it and there are only two alignments? I'm not sure why people are making a distinction between "no mafia would do X" and "someone is townie for doing X" since they're saying the same thing. A lot of people are disagreeing with me on this so I am probably missing something obvious here xD | ||
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On June 26 2018 23:48 CopCake wrote: I dont think I have been confusing at all this game so quit that bullshit to have a null read on me HF. If I was so confusing people like TT or Mocca wouldnt have followed my process of thinking. I dont know if there is a seer or not, I read the rules and it said there is like a cop and a roleblocker as much depending of the set up. But Alas, I took regfan’s silly post as that, silly because I dont think someone “smart” would do that and expect to be taken seriously, it was obvious a meme post lr some shit. (Which was already verified that is a copy pasta by regfan) Either way, I think that is easy to deduce and no one should have felt offended like rayn and I think HF did. Regfan’s first post is NOT town or mafia indicative. Now I am gonna post for ##Calix Reasons later but the principal is how calix came out of nowhere to build a case. What was the post that made you think I was mafia and made you take the effort to filter me Calix? 🤭 I wasn't even referring to the 'seer' stuff with my comments on you. But I'm going to stop talking about that after this post because it's not really helping anything. The one that I bolded and highlighted in red in my initial case (the one we've just been discussing) because I thought it didn't make sense. Scum-reading me for waking up, skimming the thread, filter-diving you and posting a case is weak. That's kinda just how I roll when it comes to playing the game ^^ In other news, I've been mulling things over and I'm going back to the drawing board with my scum-reads because I'm pretty sure I have fucked up royally somewhere. Because I don't think your rayn interactions and discussions around each other make a lot of sense as mafia/ mafia. I might read rayn's filter later when I'm not in OMGUS-mode as much. Now if you don't mind me, I'm going back to popping in the thread every so often, not really doing anything to get new scum-reads, and waiting for things to happen because fuck being proactive  | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:10 Holyflare wrote: So your scum read is just.... Rayn? No, I am throwing them all out. I am just acknowledging that I can't properly re-evaluate rayn's posting right now because I'm still OMGUSing a bit. So it'll have to be done later. Since my vote is on CopCake purely because one cannot unvote, I might sheep you onto Vivax. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:11 Holyflare wrote: And the only reason cop isn't mafia is because rayn/copcake doesn't make sense together??? No. I didn't hate some of CopCake's later posts and her tone's gotten better. | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:14 Mocsta wrote: yes. That one game. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool Wait, I'm confused. Wasn't that Grackaroni in the QT chat with DF and TT? Mocsta wasn't even in that game. | ||
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The posts where she was engaging with me, asking me questions, not coming at me with her mind already made up, etc. In retrospect, I think she wasn't trying to smear me or push an agenda as much as get answers. Therefore less likely to be mafia. And I liked her last post (#284 as of writing this) where she defends herself but still 'pushes' back and isn't meek. This is one of those 'fee-fee' reads which are hard to convince others with but I hope you see where I'm coming from if nothing else ^^ | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote: Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me. Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things. I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too. The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming. Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town. Well you are pretty much the only person who has actually discussed the case (aside from HF calling it mediocre) so we can like, talk about it. I think CopCake is doing stuff now but at the time, I got the vibe she was blending in and throwing out town-reads and not really doing much. By excuses, I meant 'rationalising away other people's actions as coming from town' which I didn't like because it looked like she already knew they were being genuine. I also hate your last line and not because it's mafia-indicative but because it means that yet ANOTHER person is not willing to work with me -___- | ||
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On June 27 2018 00:56 Vivax wrote: Very caustic, sheepable case on cop too. I'd agree on calix being town here. ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Jeans_pocket_back.jpg/1200px-Jeans_pocket_back.jpg) You're one of the few people who thinks I'm town. And you think my case is sheepable when nobody else does. So what parts of the case did you find good exactly? | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:09 Vivax wrote: the end of the post jk the talking about irrelevant things and tmi thingies Ha. Do you think CopCake's recent posts have been scummy and if so, why? Because some of them mitigate my earlier points IMO. | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix and Vivax are like fucking super obvious mafia lol. ##vote Calix If there's one thing more annoying than a rayn, it's a rayn who doesn't have the decency to be correct in his accusations ^^ | ||
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On June 27 2018 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you accept it with a smile while like an hour ago i was mafia. Yes, i believe that. Yeah I don't care that much aside from being mildly amused. I already told you I'm not doing anything in the game right now aside from hanging around when I'm not busy. Probably will continue to do this until the evening. | ||
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But Conversion is probably town so it's all good. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:07 Conversion wrote: I don't think either Vivax or Calix is mafia for all that's worth at this very exact moment in the game. Or if they was one, it'd be a 1/1 split. No way mafiateam Vivax and Calix randomly jump on Copcake like that.. no reward medium risk play. Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose. Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over I think you make a decent point with Reg. I was town-reading that slot because we had similar-ish reads at around the same time and they're producing a lot of content. But I can also see your argument where they don't say much that's scummy in isolation but you also can't say what they're trying to accomplish this game. It's not something I want to bet a D1 lynch on though. I'm a bit skeptical about how I'm reading people because (now I've started to actually filter people and play the game) there's nothing that scummy about most of the active players and I kinda doubt that ALL the mafia are inactive. On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote: also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way Why? | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:19 CopCake wrote: Calix, who are your mafia reads and who are your toen reads and why? I need two on each category. I don't have anything insightful with mafia reads. My current thinking is "the active people seem townie so there's probably more mafia in the inactive section" but I also don't know how to sort between boxerfred/ Koshi/ SlenderMan/ Vivax/ ShoCkeyy. I guess Koshi and Vivax and ShoCkeyy because they've posted and their posts are pretty underwhelming and accomplish even less shit than I have? And Vivax might be trying to pocket/ white-knight me since I'm looking like a likely mislynch right now. I realise I'm still voting for you so lemme change that: ##Vote: Vivax. I think Mocsta is town because he seems to be posting off-the-cuff and doesn't seem to have preformed conclusions and is flexible with his reads. His style is different from his last game too. Conversion's town because he seems to be having fun while still contributing when he wants. Tictock's probably town. I haven't actually opened his filter though. I'm just being cocky and assuming he'll fuck up really bad at some point if he's scum so I'm not worried about him. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:30 CopCake wrote: But werent you calling me scum for focusing on inactives? o_O No, I was calling you mafia for that within the context of when you posted about the inactives while a bunch of other shit was going down. Meanwhile I'm talking about inactives because few of the active people look like good D1 lynch candidates. Okay yeah, I could #yolo vote Regfan or HF but that would be dumb since they'll actually play and respond to accusations and the like. Also I'm going to ask you why you think HF is townish now. You were scum-reading him, then you said you felt better about him but you never really explained why or what posts made you conclude that. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:45 Vivax wrote: I'll go with mocsta/cop/tbd for now. Mocsta cause his reaction to HF countering him felt a lot like kneejerk and cause of the closet psychologist stuff. Cop for reasons said. I don't get how Mocsta's bizarre ramblings about personality types are AI at all. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:50 Vivax wrote: How do they fit in a game where you have to find people pretending to be something they aren't? If someone goes off topic like that and it doesn't look like it's done for amusement but instead sounding like a smartass in a context where they should be doing something else, then it's safe to assume they just don't have the thoughts that accompany their scumhunting process which is what mafia lacks. Instead of assuming that Mocsta 'just doesn't have the thoughts that accompany their scumhunting process' can you show us evidence that Mocsta is doing this as part of mafia agenda as opposed to him being a bit of a lunatic? lol Also I'm going to ask why you haven't reacted at all to my change from voting CopCake to voting you. I feel like that's something that you should care about. | ||
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On June 27 2018 02:54 Vivax wrote: In your particular case I know better about giving a shit about what you do. While the snark is much appreciated, would you mind answering the first question? You're claiming to have a hipster scum-read on Mocsta so I'd like you to back that one up with quotes or something. | ||
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On June 27 2018 03:01 Tictock wrote: Yes you were the only one who wasted their time on this. You read "scary amounts of nonsense" (which I assume means you are caught up) and this was the only thing worth talking about in your mind? Seeing that you also threw down a vote on Cake for next to nothing shortly after this I'll just add you to the list. Regfan/Calix/Vivax Why exactly do you town-read CopCake so strongly that you'll call her 'almost lock town' and accuse two players of being mafia at least in part because of CopCake-related reasons? You have not explained this read at all. | ||
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On June 27 2018 03:07 CopCake wrote: Other shit is also going on here yet you want inactives to participate. I didnt want to have a general read on people on point fingers or better said, have a strong opinion before I have seen the inactives play to have a better view of the whole game. HF is making fair points, with the way he reads me (I annoyed a lot in the drawing game) to pointing out other members. I had him on suspect because he wasnt very “agressive” or his playstyle was different. I don still think he is playing a little different but maybe it is because no one has pissed him off yet maybe? I don't think the other stuff happening changes anything I've said. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said in the first paragraph. I just don't currently get mafia vibes from the actives. Obviously this will change when the inactives play and I can compare people but there's not a lot I can really do with my reads until that happens tbh. It's a bit frustrating. I would say HF's been playing a little more 'muted' than usual but that's not necessarily mafia-indicative and he's perfectly capable of jumping down the thread's throats as mafia. Anyway I'm letting him do his thing for now. | ||
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On June 27 2018 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps it's the posts that don't say that that I like? Yeah but which ones exactly? | ||
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Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^ Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think). Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal. Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it. In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. | ||
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On June 27 2018 20:17 Regfan wrote: Gemma linked me to #381 and I'm in agreement that I don't think that's how scum react towards being pushed there at all. Dude is very very clearly town, will try and spend some time running through the cases against him because he shouldn't ever be the lynch here, like ever. - R Wasn't that post #203 that Gemma made this comment about? O.o | ||
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On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Calix + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. I wanted to vote because the host is using my 'self-vote' mechanic from last game, therefore voting elsewhere ASAP is a good idea. I commented on the post before anyone called it copypasta (and I didn't realise it was copypasta, something you fail to consider). You should have realised from reading the thread in chronological order. I stated the post was NAI which thus can't assume that he is a certain alignment BY DEFINITION of it being NAI. I remember having this argument with mafia!rayn last game because people apparently don't know what NAI means. Your conclusion that I'm trying to pocket him has zero validity with that in mind. How can anyone be upgraded from 'scummy to null' when all posters at the start of the game are null? The fuck kind of logic is this. The assumptions made in this post are so bad and twisted that I don't even know what to make of it. Aside from it being really terrible. On June 27 2018 08:45 Mocsta wrote: This is my chance to nitpick look at the red & focus on the underline. This is a vote with supporting "case", and the key component has a qualifier inserted in it. This suggests to me a lack of confidence (or self-authenticity) behind the post; yet it is drafted aggressively with confidence. Sometimes, its the devil in the details, and given that Calix had no pressure on her at the time, I see no reason for a townie to feel compelled to release a case with that qualifier. The arrogance is real here. If you're going to nitpick at how I talk, perhaps you should actually check to make sure THAT'S NOT HOW I USUALLY TALK. Jesus Christ, this is something that actually requires meta and knowing the person behind the screen a bit better than you do. I throw in qualifiers all the time. Hell, I've just used several in this paragraph alone. In any case, these arguments rely on false or disproven assumptions, incorrect information about how I talk, and doesn't consider some obvious town motivations for what I did (like not knowing the post was copypasta). I still maintain this guy is town but is just arrogant and has his head wedged up his arse. I conclude this because he assumes things about my personality that he doesn't know (he's never talked to me before) and refuses to engage with me even when I'm in the thread with him (because pissing off your scum-reads by refusing to talk to them is a BRILLIANT strategy that won't ever backfire if you change your mind later). | ||
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On June 27 2018 20:48 CopCake wrote: Like small details of “where is the paranoia?” Of his posts big me a lot Because yeah I tend to get paranoid but how does Calix know I get paranoid? Or is it normal nowdays on TL to get paranoid on a day 1? I'm saying that townies usually express paranoia, not that you specifically express paranoia. As said about 47690347 times, I don't know the first thing about you so stop acting like I'm using your meta to read you when I'm not -_- | ||
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On June 27 2018 20:35 Regfan wrote: I actually think you're town now and so does Regfan, he's taking care of that and I'm supposed to be taking care of our lynch but I'm not really functional IRL right now so I could use some help, I know you've kind of fallen apart and don't know who to lynch at all but I'd appreciate having your voice. My favored lynches right now are Vivax/TT/Conversion but Regfan doesn't want to lynch TT and Mocsta says that Vivax is self-resolving so I feel a little bit stuck. It's probably worse because I feel like shit and my reads on them are basically just gut at this point. Anyway I'm going to filter them and try to read and figure out what I think properly and put down some stuff in thread hopefully and would really appreciate it if you look over it with me if you feel up for it. -G Why Conversion? I think he's well townie. Same for TT. | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:05 CopCake wrote: Did Calix care about my meta? No Cared about how is my playstyle or get to know me? No Took in consideration what rayn said? No Stopped when HF told him I am confusing? Yes I have problems with this, I am actually trying to see these with different eyes but when TWO strong players told her NO is when Calix stopped. You mean that if multiple people tell me I'm wrong about a player that I might actually be...wrong? Call the fucking presses. I also didn't stop pushing you because of HF calling you confusing nor did I make no attempts to 'get to know you' better. That's not even remotely close to what happened. | ||
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Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other. Yeah, could lynch this ^^ | ||
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Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason? That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler. Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: meant to quote this, since I was responding here: Which btw, who else has more than "six" scumreads if you can answer that? I do so I don't need to look for whoever else thinks AFKs contain most of the mafia Well technically, I have a POE of five people but whatever. | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:52 CopCake wrote: As easy as this Calix 3 town players and why 3 mafia players and why Reads pls. I think I have asked this before to someone but I didnt fet an answer. 🤷🏽♀️ You asked me. I answered. Annnnnnnnnd you ignored most of what I said to complain about how I am now focusing on inactives after saying it was bad you were focusing on inactives despite the context being different. So forgive me if I'm not repeating this argument again with someone who is literally asking me to repeat stuff I've already told them! If you want your answers, actually read my filter. If you have any questions, go read it again. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:07 Vivax wrote: After reading a bit of TT I will have to agree that there is a scummy stink to his posts. I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia. And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now. ??? Why did you go from thinking ShoCkeyy is mafia to agreeing with him that TT is scummy? | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. Because it's 13P and mafia always gets 1 KPN in 13Ps otherwise it'd be unbalanced? You can look at every recent 13P game to verify this. Your 'evidence' for scum-reading TT and I is very weak. With that in mind, your unnatural level of confidence in TT/ Calix scum-team comes across as very forced and try-hard as if you're overcompensating for knowing that I'm town. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:29 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course you would say it's "try-hard" when you're getting scrumread along side with your buddy. You're scum reading me, and I'm scum reading you, isn't that the point? Isn't that what you did all day yesterday? Lol... But I'm not wrong. I'm saying your level of confidence in your scum-read doesn't square up with the evidence provided. Which shows that you're making things up. I still don't know why you scum-read me individually and saying "because you're on a team with TT" shows very superficial thinking. Are you saying you're scum-reading me for scum-reading you first? I don't know how to interpret your last sentences otherwise. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:37 CopCake wrote: I am sorry Calix, my answer might come of the one of an ass but your answer about me initially asking you then must habw been boring or not satisfying because I dont remember. It didnt make me thing “Oh well this read is good maybe Calix is town” but it didnt happen. The only universe I can think of you being town is if Rayn is mafia. Talking with you is a waste of time then. You don't assess what I'm saying, only how what I say makes you feel. P.S: That "if it's not X player it must be Y" association is terrible and you should never make those sorts of reads ever. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: The evidence is there if others want to look, like Vivax. He actually took a look and saw what I saw. You can interpret the last sentence however you want. You cannot be serious. Instead of trying to explain yourself to others so that they can understand where you're coming from, you deliberately leave things vague and up to interpretation. Even though, from your POV, I'm either misreading you (as town) or I'm intentionally misrepresenting your posts (as mafia). I don't see how a townie makes this post ever. So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads. I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:53 Regfan wrote: Regfan has Shock and Vivax as unaligned and he's never wrong about unaligns, fyi. -G I don't worry TOO much about teams until we actually get a scum flip because it's mostly speculation until that happens. Those two are just the scummiest IMO ^^ | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: Since you haven't played with me before, I'm town, others that have, already see that I'm town... Even Conversion called me out on my bait for mafia members. I think I gave enough reasoning why I currently scum read you and Tictock, and there is also enough evidence on the thread against you, like what, there's already been two cases against you such as: I mean, you trying to say I give no evidence of why you're mafia is just trying to shit on me for no reason and paint me as mafia, when it's clear where your allegiance stands. Another meta defense? I'm getting sick of this. Why can't anyone just defend their posts that they're making IN THIS GAME instead of expecting me to slog through games from 2012 or whatever? What's the point of casing people when everyone responds to what I say with "but what about this really old meta though?" and "how dare you scum-read people you've never played with before, you're obviously mafia"? I too could throw a bunch of old games at you if I really wanted to "prove" I'm town but that's boring and doesn't actually prove anything anyway. But I give up. I'll just stick with Vivax so I don't have to deal with some bullshit meta defense instead of anything sourced from this particular game. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:24 CopCake wrote: Well that is your problen them. I got regfan’s “his voye on HF is clear” and so when you explained but other than that I cant see you being town. I filtered you yesterday (not all posts) but I find you to be scummy, most of it is for my “case” that came out of no where and you dont caring for my meta unless it was “very recent” Yeah I use a lot of “feels” on this, with a little of night actions since actions dont clear at all a player. So, at this moment, and I am asking calming and trying to understand you. Let’s imagine you are town and mafia is framing you but they dont know you have a gun and you decide to use it. Who would you shot? Give me something to understand your playstyle and how you scumread people. Well duh. People change as they get older so why would I put THAT much stock into meta from...whenever you used to play? I know I'm quite different from when I first started playing and that wasn't that long ago. I used to be extremely aggressive and very rarely reconsidered my reads. I don't see how this question will help you understand me that well but sure. I'd shoot one of the AFKs since they're not giving town any information to begin with and it saves us from wasting a lynch on those people. Because threatening to lynch someone who posts is better than trying to pressure someone who will not post since new information is revealed and reads can develop. Then if the person being pressured makes it clear they are town within those 48 hours then you can switch votes to an inactive player without losing too much if that inactive person is town. If, during that time, you think that townies are the only people being pressured all day then you can look at the people who have been skirting by, not sticking their necks out, pretending to do more than they have, etc, and push them to the surface instead of defaulting to an inactive player. Because mafia are usually the people who are 'there' but not doing too much to solve the game or who have really unmemorable filters or whatnot. I'd say what I've just written here is how I do things in most games. You shouldn't take it as AI or anything. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:29 ShoCkeyy wrote: This doesn't help you, if anything mafia would likely never go back to older games because they simply don't care. While meta can change in different games yes, and it's hard to classify just based on that, it does help when you've played games with others. I don't use meta that much anymore. I used to but it actually makes my reads worse because I only use it to reaffirm what I ALREADY think to begin with. Since I've never played with or actually seen you guys play, meta won't help me very much. Don't get me wrong, I'll listen to people who HAVE played with you guys before to an extent. But I believe it's possible to solve the game without relying heavily on meta and if someone's playing really scummy throughout the game then meta won't work as a defense with me. In your case, it is D1 and I have other scum-reads so I will grudgingly accept the 'meta' defense and not lynch you today. Even if I think it's lazy bullshit used to get out of defending yourself against what I've said because you can't be arsed. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:42 Holyflare wrote: Why am I not being scum read? :D Talking to me? I am assuming you're asking why I'm not calling you mafia despite your play somewhat matching what I think mafia does, I don't think you not doing much on D1 means anything other than you being busy because you're more than capable of curb-stomping the thread towards my mislynch if you really wanted to. I haven't properly read your filter but I remember one moment where it looked like you were preparing to attack Mocsta and then you saw a post from him and said "nah" and it looked kinda townie to me. Because you gave yourself the opportunity to go after someone and try and get them lynched while disturbing the 'town circle' and looking like you're doing something. And you didn't take it. Also because you're not D1 lynch material and you haven't really done anything scummy to make me change my mind so I'm fine to let you do whatever for the time being. So yeah. | ||
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On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote: Before I forget because I am going to work Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote. I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler + (this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk why you dont think vivax is mafia though.  Just murder calix the obvscum pls. Why not help me "bus" Vivax instead? lmao. You'd have an actual chance of hitting mafia then and since you think Vivax and I are like, totes mafia together then it should make zero difference to you, yeah? | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote: Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. I'm assuming this is in response to me (since I asked why TT was scummy) but you're talking about HF here with the 'playing together' part so I'm a bit confused ^^ Do you mind finding the quotes you're referring to? | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote: I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative. I don't. Last vote count was ages ago and I haven't checked votes yet. I've been town-reading TT for ages and yes, I want to know why he's being considered as an alternative to myself. Because if it's TT vs Calix then that's TvT IMO. I'm not sure why Vivax isn't being voted off here despite a lot of people calling him scummy. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks. They used to do this back in ye olden days as well? @Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read? | ||
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Perhaps we should just...move on? Ignore it? Decide on who a good lynch is? Because THIS IS A REALLY BAD TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT FEE-FEES. Is there a good reason I've missed for Vivax being town, for example? I know TT thinks he's town for 'posting in bursts which mafia!Vivax struggles with' but I'm not so sure there. I'm a bit skeptical myself because Vivax's posts on Mocsta didn't actually suck. I'd also switch to ShoCkeyy. Nobody's given a good reason for town-reading him and his 'dumb tell' does not mean anything IMO. I think his weirdly confident stance on TT/ Calix with little evidence, combined with his generally mediocre filter, makes him a way better lynch than TT or myself. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:25 Holyflare wrote: I would rather they confirm that themselves thanks. Calix could definitely be mafia for the tt post though too. Oh really? I've just followed my TT post up with two lynch alternatives plus discussion that's moving AWAY from this emotion stuff. Which you are completely ignoring to call me mafia for a post that is not mafia at all. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote: I actually hate this even more because until I changed my vote I think vivax was actually in the lead in votes. Have you SEEN the vote thread? There's about 36396705 votes after the last vote count. Sorry I didn't take the time to meticulously plot out who's voting where and how many votes XYZ has but it doesn't make me scum. It's not even remotely close to a reason to call me scum. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:30 Holyflare wrote: Your tt is town spiel is absolutely redundant because your follow up lynch is vivax who was up for lynch at the time you made the tt post. So you pretty much hard defended tt against no impending threat instead of just seeing your biggest scum read was actually the lynch and trying to get more people to vote for him. If there's only one vote between a TT and Vivax lynch like you say there is (I wouldn't know) then how is that 'no impending threat' exactly when thread sentiment is against TT still? And you're basically arguing that I went in, KNOWING who was the lynch...and then pretended I didn't? For no reason? Knowing that someone could call me out? Have you considered that maybe I just DIDN'T know and it wasn't part of a master plan? And I am trying to get people to focus on my other scum-reads so saying I haven't provided an alternative is objectively false. This push is really weak, HF ngl. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:34 Holyflare wrote: They're all on vivax and Shockey and you. Your two biggest scum reads and yourself. So why even make the tt post in the first place? What did you see that warranted you to go out of your way to say we should save him? I saw a bunch of people in this thread talking about lynching TT/ scum-reading TT who is a guy I think is town. As said, I didn't check the vote thread before I made my post. I just felt like saying "hey I don't want to lynch this guy, does anyone want to talk to me about why they do?" since a bunch of people don't like him but I didn't really relate to why. Don't think my thought process is that complex or hard to follow tbh. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:37 Holyflare wrote: My point is that you may have in fact not known who was up for lynch because mafia don't give a shit who is up for lynch as long as they are not mafia. You could have seen sentiment pointing towards tt and thought you needed to produce some content and that was a free post to make. You didn't count on expert scum hunter hf finding you and picking that post apart though. But I'm currently under a lot of suspicion? So wouldn't I be more aware as mafia about votes then because I want to avoid being lynched? Nothing about your push makes any sense and seems really forced, HF. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote: I actually hate this even more because until I changed my vote I think vivax was actually in the lead in votes. I interpreted this as there being one vote difference between the two, lol. Maybe I will make a vote count so that we actually KNOW, eh? | ||
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Calix [4]: rayn, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi Tictock [3]: Vivax, Conversion, HF Vivax [2]: Regfan, Calix Shockeyy [1]: Tictock Not voting [3]: SlenderMan, Shockeyy, Boxerfred I'm very confident this will only get worse. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:46 Tictock wrote: I know Koshi is capable so it frustrates me endlessly when I see him purposely be a shitter. He played this way last game I was in as town, and only put in solid effort after it was too late to really get people to change their minds (as the game was a general shitshow and he was like the 4th person to claim blue and only did so as votes were piling on him). I was thinking the same thing about that game tbh. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote: @Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=all but I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote: Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote: I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote: I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote: someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote: you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way. The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter. He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips. He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word. Actually seems to be having fun in that game. There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town. I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds. | ||
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On June 28 2018 02:55 Vivax wrote: Calix do you have a reason for still sring shockey besides that he's done even less shit than you have (your own words)? Yes, I think he is far too confident in his reads compared to the evidence he's given for those reads. I find this scummy because it shows he's fabricating the reasoning. Townies have a natural level of confidence in their reads compared to the evidence because they don't know alignments and thus their confidence flows naturally from the evidence they find and are shown. Mafia have to feign this confidence since they already know the answers and sometimes they mess up by being too cocky about a read that isn't that great, or showing doubts over a scum read that they should find irrefutably scummy, etc. I'm accusing him of forcing this excessive confidence about TT/ Calix despite the evidence leaving a lot of doubt over TT/ Calix actually being the mafia team. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. Take this post for example. Compared to the evidence he's given for a TT/ Calix team (which nobody finds persuasive), he's so ridiculously over the top in how he treats me like I'm outed scum. Compare this to how CopCake, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, etc, treat me. They don't do this try-hard 'taunting' nor do they twist perfectly NAI things (like me saying TT and I have different time zones) into something scummy. He even puts quote marks around "different" time zones which implies he thinks I'm lying about that, lmao. It just looks so forced and unnatural. | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote: Tictock why aren't you talking with me Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix He thinks we're on a "mafia team" lmao. Please check his filter for his reasoning if you want a laugh. In the meantime I'm voting Shockeyy. You should do the same ^^ | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote: Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read Probably because he wants to solidify the extremely obvious TvT wagons forming: Calix [4]: rayn, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi Tictock [4]: Vivax, Conversion, HF, ShoCkeyy Shockeyy [2]: Tictock, Calix Vivax [1]: Regfan Not voting [2]: SlenderMan, Boxerfred As a side note, looks like I'm still hosting even when I'm playing. | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: I already said it earlier, he said he's "unlynchable" if he's claiming, then there's a 50/50 chance he's either other. I like those chances better, and if he flips mafia, then Cilax defense of him is pretty clear. You seriously think there's two mafia wagons as the main lynch options with two of the mafia sitting on you? You're not even SLIGHTLY doubtful that your reads might be wrong there? | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:37 Vivax wrote: I'd say we reward you with a lynch for TMI after we're done with the two Huh? If you have no real preference then vote for ShoCkeyy ^^ | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: One or the other is wrong yea, but that's the point of the game right? I'm guessing based on your posting abilities no? Right now, I personally think both of you are mafia, is that wrong of me? I don't get why it's wrong... I just think Tictock is more mafia than you only due to the early claim. I rather stick to my 50/50. So you say that 'one or the other is wrong' (TvS) but then say you 'personally think both of us are mafia' (SvS) in the same breath? | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just think if he flips town, my read on you changes. But personally right now, you two to me seem the scummiest, and it's evident to others. Your read on me changes to what? Clarification would be appreciated. Why do you always talk about what other people think as if this somehow strengthens your argument? Why do their opinions matter so much to you? | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: It's not obvious? I'm also basing my decisions based off others opinions... rayn and mocsta both had some valid arguments against you, can that not alter my decision making process? If I'm wrong on tictock, I go back and question my thought process following my read on you changes. Either for worse or for better who the fuck knows. It just depends on what other random questions you can think of that has an obvious answer to. "I'm shamelessly following thread sentiment and have absolutely no new opinions or points to add onto what Rayn/ Mocsta have said like a townie actually would do." Translated that for ya. So you're still calling me mafia no matter what TT flips then, judging by that snarky last line? I'll make it real clear what I'm asking now: Do I become townier or scummier if TT is town? You won't waffle your way out of answering that question, sweetheart. | ||
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On June 28 2018 03:58 Holyflare wrote: I say we lynch boxerfred Ewwwwwww. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: Depends on here till then, we still have three hours, and I you're grilling me for voting Tictock which is even odder. Nice dodge of the question. How is it "odd" (not scummy, eh?) that I'm questioning your TT vote and reasoning? What exactly do you expect me to do? lol | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:02 Tictock wrote: It has to do with the thought I wanted to check re: rayn vs Conv, ergo why that is written after I mentioned that. TT why are you not trying to work with your town-read who you wanted to work with and who is a counter-wagon to you and your scum-read? | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does shockeyy have votes on him? Two of your scum-reads and a guy who doesn't scum-read me are voting for ShoCkeyy and you ask this question? lol | ||
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Then why are you asking things like "omg why does shockeyy have votes" when TWO OF YOUR SCUM-READS ARE VOTING FOR HIM, spamming the thread with "Shockeyy dumbtelled himself town" (which he really didn't lmao) and not doing anything to get me lynched? According to you, two of your scum-reads are lynching this like, super-obvious townie and you're not doing anything to stop it. | ||
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I don't care what bullshit you write to justify that, you're the one with the shitty EOD posts who is dodging valid questions. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town So you made a scummy post, got called out, claimed it was a trap and now you blame Conversion for 'ruining it' and giving you no results whatsoever? Well that's sure convenient! | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: he also blamed me, did you even read that shit? Thanks for not disproving my point whatsoever. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh but you wanna lynch conversion so yeah it checks out Literally the opposite of what I've said, rayn. | ||
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??? Are you drunk or something? | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like uh... TT you have to be mafia. I am gonna trust and sheep HF here. #unvote ##vote tictock One, HF is voting for boxerfred for ??? reasons, not TT. Two, wtf lol. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:56 CopCake wrote: TT being mafia makes sense since a while for the mental gymnastic he pulled to deffend Calix tbf. The mafia team to me is Calix-Ticktock-Regfan Or Calix-Ticktock-Inactive that has posted If Calix ended up to be town then I will look at you Rayn but I am confident that Calix is mafia and I dont know why others are trying to make you reconsider ir asking me to look at you. I mean knowing you, you just dont tunnel someone for the sake of it and you dont pull the “I am bad I am bad” after it 🤔 besides if you dont die early you are mafia, that is a fact. Have you ever considered the RADICAL world where Rayn/ Calix is TvT? Fucking insane, I know. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:59 CopCake wrote: Let me try to see town and town violence. Who are you mafia? Dont give me inactives Who is trying to frame you? I think ShoCkeyy is mafia for obvious reasons. I'm going to talk about rayn and HF here. I don't think both are mafia like TT does. But I do think their EOD behaviour is highly questionable and I cannot understand what they are doing. HF thinks TT is scummy. He called me scummy at one point. He doesn't town-read Shockeyy. So why is he completely ignoring the thread events to vote for an AFK person without explaining where his head is at now? And I have no idea what rayn is playing at. Basically my problem with these two is that they're not being smart. They're not going anywhere. They're basically dicking around at EOD for ??? reasons. They have to know this though. And if it's some weird mafia strategy then the only thing they're both accomplishing is looking really terrible for ??? reasons. But I'd like an explanation for what they actually ARE doing, lol. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:14 CopCake wrote: Vivax also brought up the rayn x HF mafia team I think And do you think it holds any water at all? (just pretend you think I'm town and rayn is mafia here) | ||
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A ctrl+f of your filter suggests you haven't mentioned him at all thus far. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:17 Holyflare wrote: It's worse when about 5 points before that ticktock post I'm even saying i low ke scum read rayn??? With all due respect, your royal highness, this defense is weak as fuck and doesn't really disprove what TT said. In no world does a one-liner with no reasoning count as a credible level of focus on a player. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: holyflare. i am like 80% sure calix is mafia. how sure you are in that tt is mafia? I thought I was 100% mafia? lol | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:19 CopCake wrote: I havent payed attention to him, I only remember his “too much work needs catch up T-T” post and I didnt consider it weird unlike others who used “too busy” as an excuse. Would you mind filtering him then? Since he's one of the lynch candidates. Why didn't it strike you as weird compared to those other people then? | ||
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To move onto a more general question: Do you have any scum reads at all? I'm not sure if that was intended as a pseudo-reads post or saying where your head's at. But if it was then saying "I have doubts" doesn't count as a scum read IMO. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:27 CopCake wrote: I like Shockey, he also thinks in the CalixXticktock team Did you actually find his 'analysis' convincing? Because this is a really terrible reason to town-read someone. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:29 CopCake wrote: Lmao so many people on Calix or TT i honestly think mafia is having a party atm. FTFY | ||
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And cool. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:33 Tictock wrote: Kus I have been clearly catch-up reading and responding as I go. This is like the 5th question like this I have seen be asked (not by you), and my motivation to play has seriously begun to dwindle. I think this game has started to go pants on head style and trying to care about it is clearly not worth the effort. I'm also not entirely sure what you are asking from me here. Yeah, I realised that was a dumb question when you continued to post more catch-up posts, mb. Can agree on 'pants on head' though. CopCake coming in here, for example, and proclaiming the mafia team are so terrible that two of their members are up for lynch...without the slightest sign of wondering whether her reads are just awful...is her thinking the literal opposite of what's happening in the game. It's entertaining in its absurdity. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:35 CopCake wrote: I think you assume I like him because he has the same suspects? Nope, the way he said not to kill afkrs is good since I agree with it. Why to give mafia a kill when I have an ocean of posts that will give me a mafia? Like it would be stupid if all mafia are inactive atm. Well you did say "I like him" followed by "he also thinks in the scum team I have" so why wouldn't I conclude that? I don't think all the mafia are inactive now since ShoCkeyy's been posting | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:39 CopCake wrote: If Shockey is mafia then i am mafia in that case. 🤔 That makes zero sense. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:45 CopCake wrote: Like seriously, what is your problem? Not able to look other way? That I dont have the capacity to think of my own? I used to think TT was town then his 180 change of heart made me realize he might not. I dont want to tinfoil, I used to tinfoil a lot in other games and it doesnt work so rn I am like 1.- if A acts scummy and continues to be scummy and blame others, wanting to kill afkrs so she can save herself etc then she is mafia. 2.- Tiktok deffended you with “Oh she is capable of things like HF and rayn” I dont doubt you are, but his kind of “appeal to emotion” comment was ehhhh, he was smooth talking to change my mind. So now what? We are stuck here with several people point fingers at you: - Cake - Rayn - Mocca - Shokey What now? Have you considered you have done something wrong and that is why many people are accusing you? Or are we all wrong? I don't have a problem with you. I just don't think your arguments have been very good. Just because a lot of people think I'm scummy doesn't mean I'm scum. Most townies get mislynched because a lot of people think they're scum, you know. What you're arguing is a logical fallacy IIRC. And I want to kill ShoCkeyy and I've given a lot of reasoning for him being mafia and all you're doing is oversimplifying the situation and what I'm doing to "she wants to kill inactives". | ||
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Mostly because I relate to a lot of what he's saying and his emotional responses, etc. Not saying I AGREE with everything he's saying, just that I get where he's coming from since we're in the same boat. | ||
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On June 28 2018 05:56 Holyflare wrote: So we lynch bf right? What's wrong with ShoCkeyy? He is legitimately scummy and isn't doing anything aside from pushing a spurious mafia team consisting of two townies. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:07 CopCake wrote: You wanted to lynch: Mocca/cake/tbd Then koshi Then this Wow man! Your reads change a lot. This is beautiful. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:14 Conversion wrote: Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive. Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that. Hey hey. TT is like super town. So instead of fighting with him, vote ShoCkeyy. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:15 Vivax wrote: Honestly cop after what you just dug up you go straight back to the scum pile. Changing reads don't make anyone scum and it just looks like a forced filter dive. I get where you're coming from. But I'm not convinced it's a scum tell. That "wow your reads change a lot" line is just so blatantly retarded that it actually becomes non-scummy. Because a self-aware mafia knows that sort of ""reasoning"" won't convince anyone and makes them look terrible. But I might be using WIFOM too much here. Or overestimating CopCake's intelligence. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:17 Conversion wrote: The dude is still completely misrepresenting me, sticking with it, and then even saying knee-jerk I am scum after softly calling me town all game? Hasn't talked to me at all until this post. That is not town, like at all. No seriously. The way he's been reacting to the lynch and how he's behaving and what he feels has been really easy to relate to (for me). Not quite a 'mind meld' but close. So if you think I'm town then trust me here pls. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:18 Vivax wrote: Mocsta still didn't choose a new vote. :think: He tried to unvote iirc. Don't think he realises one can't unvote in this game. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:36 Conversion wrote: is it time for Conversion to modkill himself? Not before voting for Shockeyy. | ||
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Makes no sense to me. | ||
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But still, should still be more votes on ShoCkeyy. | ||
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Did I enter a troll game without realising it? Am I the only person who actually wants to lynch mafia? Currently the vote count is atrocious, votes are really close, and nobody gives a flying fuck about consolidation. TT wants to vote rayn who isn't getting lynched. HF wants to vote BF because of some sports thing, and I swear to God if Conversion votes for HF, I'm dumping an entire landfill of Lego bricks over his fancy new house. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: If you look at Calix filter, it says my name in about 90% of the post, and "lynch" along with it, this person is more scummy than scum. Ever since I called them out, it's been like this, I don't think a normal town would do that. HF how would you feel if I parked my vote on Cilax since they're being overly aggressive at this point? I'm spamming "lynch ShoCkeyy" because the current viable alternatives are myself (obvtown) and TT (another obvtown) and nobody seems to want you dead for some fucking reason and it's annoying me. Why do you need HF's consent to vote for me? Oh right, you know I'm town and you don't want to take the blame for putting me in the lead for votes. | ||
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What? He literally asks HF how he'd feel if he 'parked his vote' on me. In the post I just quoted. And the current vote count means that if Shockeyy switches to me, I get lynched. | ||
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On June 28 2018 06:57 CopCake wrote: @Calix Post #12 in the voting thread Why did you vote vivax? Why don't you read my filter and find out before asking me? You keep asking me all these random questions. They never seem to go anywhere or mean anything and I get the impression I could tell you to go fuck yourself and I'd get the same response from you. You haven't changed your read on me AT ALL because of these questions. I have zero idea how they help you read me better. So why should I bother? I also hate your TT vote. It'd be really nice if HF would vote for ShoCkeyy instead of letting this super obvious townie die. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:00 Holyflare wrote: I don't want to vote any of the wagons. But you think Shockeyy is mafia? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:01 CopCake wrote: I am gonna vote for TT because I think he is mafia with you. Not rocket science there. So your questions are pointless then. Because you don't give a single fuck that I am not answering. That's pretty suspect TBH. Because that means you've been asking all these random questions without caring about the answers. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Today is boxerfred is mafia and should be lynched day. Why are you just trolling like this? | ||
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So what is stopping you from voting for the 'maybe one' then? | ||
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You must be a comedian on the side with such devastating wit, HF. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:10 Tictock wrote: HF you have played with me a bunch of times yet act like you have no idea how I play. I get that it's not a method you like or that makes me especially readable, but it is how I like to approach the game. In your own words, Deal with it. Luckily for you, you wont have to for very long. TT, can you stop this martyring bullshit and just vote for ShoCkeyy? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:11 Vivax wrote: Well by being a dick you gave cop an excuse to not reevaluate her read on you As if she needed one. Changing your mind too often is a scum tell amirite XD | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:19 Mocsta wrote: fuck it im probably never going ot catch up on this game now I will vote the unturned stone ##Vote: Koshi I dont particuarly care for the filter, and im concerned with the hammer vote You're voting for someone who is probably not getting lynched, dude. So this vote is basically a vote for TT's death. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote: Also it's an odd complaint that you were being ignored when you come back to find a juicy wagon on the last guy you scumread. I agree that Mocsta's vote is bad. Because it's off-wagon, nobody really cares about lynching Koshi, and it's basically hammering TT over a scum-read. I am shamelessly giving Koshi a town read because he's agreeing with my reads and realises TT is incredibly townie which elevates him above half the fucking thread already. | ||
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You can literally save yourself here and you're doing this moping shit instead! | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:28 Mocsta wrote: WTF... realises he is townie for WHAT REASON! I agree TT is town but I actually said why... read his fuckn filter and tell me why is shitting on people that think TT is scum.... I realise he's townie as fuck because he's said so much stuff that I, as someone who was in the same position as him, can relate to and it would be very hard for mafia to fake that. He is 100% town to me and everyone who thinks otherwise needs to get an eye check. His tone in particular is very genuine. Also he's not even trying to save himself right now and is trying to help the town despite being the lynch. It's so fucking obvious it hurts. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Minimum for a ban. No modkill You don't actually know that since you're not the one hosting, lol. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote: Can you please re-read the post I am referring to Koshi if it was not clear. Also reaD: #999 I can't answer for Koshi, dude. I just don't know why you're voting for Koshi over Shockeyy when Koshi is not getting lynched today. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:35 Holyflare wrote: How do you know I don't know? Why do you think I'm voting bf? ... Let's not talk about it anymore. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:37 Mocsta wrote: wtf, and why is koshi not getting lynched? what is wrong with you.. Because he only has one vote on him whereas ShoCkeyy has like, 3 and TT has 4. So yeah, you are lynching TT right now. And I'm not moving my vote to Koshi when ShoCkeyy is right here! | ||
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I'm saying Mocsta's essentially lynching TT by voting off-wagon on a guy that nobody wants to kill, genius. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:43 Holyflare wrote: If he doesn't vote to save himself why do you give a shit? It's town's best interest to survive if you're town so don't feel bad if he doesn't even vote shockeyy or bf. Because he's my strongest town read and I'd like to keep him around so I can work with him? And I won't lie, I'm actually considering voting for BF if nobody else switches to ShoCkeyy soon. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:43 Regfan wrote: Just woke up, more than 20 pages behind and need to be getting ready for work but know deadline is very very soon. Votecount has changed drastically since when I went to bed. Can someone make a two line post on why it's mostly moved away from Vivax etc and who I should vote/why please. - R Wasn't a particular reason it moved away from Vivax aside from people preferring TT/ myself/ ShoCkeyy. But vote ShoCkeyy plz. If you want a case, just skim his filter. I don't even think it needs an explanation. | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote: Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself? | ||
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Vivax, should we just swap to BF so TT doesn't die? | ||
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On June 28 2018 07:59 Vivax wrote: Scummy post. Listen to her for switching to bf but not to shockey? +1 | ||
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But I can deal with it because that's one question mark dealt with and TT and I didn't die. So looking on the bright side here. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:19 CopCake wrote: Literally super bad and stupid end of the day Scummy "told you so" kind of post when you didn't even do anything. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:22 CopCake wrote: Ahahahahahahha what I didnt do? My vote was on tick tock and you did everything to save him, even following a dummy train that started out of nowhere. Yeah and he's still obviously town. So you can fuck off back to the drawing board with your reads now TT/ Calix isn't on the table as a "mafia team". | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:25 Holyflare wrote: I think you guys are playing a different game. None of the people (maybe shockey) up for lynch were scummy in the slightest. Half the thread had made absolutely no comment on the leading wagons because they were afk or busy. Rayn had just started to become scummy amd regfan has discord chats outstanding. With me thinking the thread is such a shit show and a lot of townies up for lynch then instead of waiting two cycles and getting two potential modkills that could heavily swing this game badly we elminated a question mark that could have quite easily been mafia. We saved a guy that couldn't be bothered to save himself by voting confirmed town bf and is more than likely town because of it. Calix also voted to save tt and is extremely likely town. That means we have a shit tonne of info that almost all wagons yesterday were town. Mafia love these situations and are happy flitting between lynches and not making much sense. Rayn/cop/shockeyy (yeah if you wanted him lynched then you should have done more. Tough shit.) all look bad doing that. I'd probably add conversion here but that depends on shockey flip and conversion kind of looks ok too. I'm happy with vivax and even koshi. I'll accept this as a rationale for your EOD. Doesn't hurt that you agree with me a lot when it comes to reads. I'm not sure about CopCake but it's undeniable that she made a fair few terrible posts near EOD. Might need to reread her. I would add Mocsta to the list but we'll see what he does when he's properly caught up. | ||
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And if you look past his posting style, his content's been alright. | ||
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On June 28 2018 08:47 Mocsta wrote: ahh conversion, how do i keep forgetting about him hmm, HF, what do you think of his vote switch? Conversion's EOD goes something like this: - Notes TT isn't voting to save himself - Wants to CFD onto HF - Says TT isn't town here: On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote: Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. - Says HF is mafia for wanting to lynch into AFKs here: On June 28 2018 07:53 Conversion wrote: Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant? also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game - Says he'll listen to me (implying he'll finally switch to ShoCkeyy?) - Then trashes the BF wagon as terrible The main thing to note here is that he didn't change his vote to ShoCkeyy until 23:59 when he had been around in the thread for much longer (although the posts I refer to here were all made about 10 minutes before EOD). Additionally I am not sure why he changed his vote when BF was getting votes by saying 'I'll listen to Calix' especially since I had been trying to convince Conversion well beforehand and I had even said I was going to vote for Boxerfred purely to save TT. So an explanation of his thought process here would be helpful. | ||
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On June 28 2018 09:11 CopCake wrote: I want to point out something, and I hope someone smart, educated and with patience will read. - I got told that TT was extremely frustrated and that is why he called me sheep sheep rayn hubby, that he was trying to do everything to save himself. - Then he is all “I am sorry cake I will peace out I am sorry - Calix did everything to save him, HF was like if TT dies he deserves it because he is not switching votes - Then BF is rip, get told that TT is town for not voting himself by HF - Regfan then comes and says that TT voted for someone else to vote himself, which the whole case of HF doesnt work anymore - HF calls regfan mafia for this and says TT would not know if he saved himself. He voted at the last minute, 59 seconds before end of the day, a whole minute, please he was lurking forever doing nothing Rip in peppers but no one will listen to me if anyone find tjis super odd So what is your conclusion? That TT, Calix and HF are the mafia team? Because if so, ahahahahaha. | ||
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On June 28 2018 10:15 Tictock wrote: It's hard to talk to you when you keep calling me scum just because I switched my read on Calix and defended her. You didn't have an issue with that stance when we first talked about it, but now it's all that matter's to you, AND you wont even bother to check that it wasn't "out of nowhere" What do you mean with CopCake "not having an issue with that stance"? It looks like she called you out right away for that even if she didn't call you mafia for it until later. I don't see how that's notable. Her lack of fact-checking is a bit of a piss-take though, can agree ^^ | ||
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On June 28 2018 10:37 Tictock wrote: Maybe I wasn't in the thread long enough as I was falling asleep around that time, but I recall having a back and forth with her and her responses were on the order of "are you two dating" "then why should I care" "oh you see her as a smart player, I see". Never anything about "why the sudden switch?" She asked "why do you suddenly defend Calix" first. Also don't lie, we are totally dating. | ||
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On June 28 2018 10:46 Tictock wrote: I thought we were still in the "lying about it to ourselves" phase  And didn't I respond to Cake that I was starting to see more towny things, and felt like you were a bad D1 lynch even if i had doubts, thus wanted to stear people away from lynching you? I'm really starting to wonder if maybe I'm just imagining posting some stuff. Nah, out and proud now I recall you making that post. She's done that a lot with the "ignoring posts from people" thing though. I might actually have to check past games and see if this is something she does a lot. I don't want to give her a pass for weird posts or logic but I'm not sure how much of it is AI. Like some of the stuff she says makes no sense to me but it also isn't stuff that pushes mafia agenda very well if at all. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:00 CopCake wrote: You called me a sheep, me who was the first person who jumped to deffend you against HF 😑 Maybe I am a super bad player as Calix say but to ME: - You cant change reads super easily, you pushed someone and suddenly you want to change? Something like what Mocca did. I agreed with you that Mocca’s reads were SUPER BAD but if something got me more was your siper way to deffend Calix and your excuse was “because she is a good player like HF” I don't think you're "super bad" just that some of your arguments were bad. That's not attacking you personally. TT's making the argument that since I am a Good Player [TM] that leaving me alive on D1 is better because I am more likely to show that I am town on future days. Therefore that made me a poor lynch candidate for D1. | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:10 Mocsta wrote: You guys should take a break, breathe deep and read the content before firing. CopCake is saying I am super bad.. not yo Calix. No need to wring each others necks. I think we are all town here. Nah, she said both You're probably right though. I'm not really feeling the mafia vibes from anyone so it's just a matter of waiting for the less-townie people to get online and react. In the meantime, I'm going to bed. As an aside, I start having longer work shifts from tomorrow so when I drop off and can't spam my way to a 9-page filter every cycle, don't be surprised. I will say this about 3505437609 times just so people get the message ^^ | ||
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On June 28 2018 11:33 Tictock wrote: Yea I agree, Vivax looks pretty townie to me here. He's been a bit off the walls, but not by a huge margine. I glanced over a bit of his filter at some point and it looks a lot more like Vivax trying to figuer out a world that makes sense to him that trying to see what shit-flinging would stick. Especially Vivax's eod, he pushed for who he wanted lynched, and defended people he thought were town. He was pretty invovled and made some good points. Actually looking back over a bit of his filter, he looks really towny from my PoV kus he had made some posts earlier about suspecting I could be mafia, so I know he could have easily gotten me lynched. Given how active I am being this game, I can't imagine mafia being that willing to save me to help get BF lynched. Imagine that, a game where the sentence "Tictock is contributing more than X player" can be said | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:19 Vivax wrote: The only TR he could have had was shockey, but he had just two votes iirc. Rayn came in and asked "why does ShoCkeyy have votes?" At the time, ShoCkeyy had three votes. One vote was me (his top scum-read). One vote was Vivax (another one of rayn's scum-reads). The third vote was Tictock. Therefore it doesn't make sense for him to ask that question. Because the obvious answer from rayn's point of view is that mafia are trying to mislynch ShoCkeyy. When I asked him this, rayn just called me "super scummy" and never answered the question. | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:47 CopCake wrote: Here called TT town So yeah, TT was never a mafia read on rayn His focus was on Calix, single tunneled but took a jump of faith in hF with TT because Calix wasnt getting lynched. 100% incorrect. Rayn voted for TT when I still had 4 votes, thus putting TT and I at 3 votes each. If he hadn't swapped, I would have been in the lead. You're not even looking at the evidence when it comes to your rayn defense, lol. On June 28 2018 04:00 KelsierSC wrote: Day 1 Vote Count ShoCkeyy[3]:Calix,Ticktock,Vivax Calix[4]:Mocsta,raynpelikoneet,Koshi,CopCake TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan Ticktock[3]:ShoCkeyy,Holyflare,Conversion boxerfred[1]:boxerfred Vivax[1]:Regfan Calix is currently the lynch. The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . On June 28 2018 04:32 Holyflare wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: boxerfred On June 28 2018 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: #unvote ##vote tictock | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:54 CopCake wrote: Oops pressed post before writing in the quote Nice try Calix but the flow of rayn progression is clear and townie. Oohhhhh!!! And the thing discussed here was his post “town will get lynched anyways or it seems” something like that and it was refering to shockey and TT ^^ I made my post to fact-check your point about rayn switching to TT "because Calix wasn't getting lynched" when the opposite happened, not to comment on 'rayn progression'. | ||
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On June 28 2018 22:57 Mocsta wrote: Ahh 2 babez Time to mud wrestle Yes im such a sexist pig and luvin it Referring to yourself as a babe might be a stretch there, luv ^^ | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:02 CopCake wrote: Nah You were saying Rayn is mafia because he said “town will end lynched “ and even made a case ^^ that his three suspects were already voting shokey (vivax,calix,tt) amd his other 2 too scum were also getting lynched (calix,tt)But this doesnt work because rayn never had :D TT as mafia, even confronted HF for this. Woooooooo!!!!! I wasn't the person who made that post but this is clearly not something you will understand. Your arrogance + your lack of reading comprehension + how you repeat everything you say three times with zero regard for what anyone else says makes talking to you a highly unpleasant experience and I resent having to do it to figure out your alignment. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:03 Vivax wrote: my current wild guess is cop rayn shockeyy I feel better about you, at least. I filter-dived you and concluded your progressions seem natural on the whole. The questions I have are: a) What prompted you to drop all your scum-reads halfway through D1? b) What exactly made you change your mind on HF from having him as potential mafia to town? Your stated reasoning (I'm sort of feeling good about HF as I don't believe he's just going to stay on boxer. I can't get rid of the feeling he's just sort of derping around tho.") doesn't sound like stuff you town-read people for at all. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:09 Mocsta wrote: ohh your a dude? 4 some reason i thought otherwise?? I was taking the piss out of you, albeit poorly P: I assure you, I am of the female persuasion. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like uh... TT you have to be mafia. I am gonna trust and sheep HF here. #unvote ##vote tictock Why did that post make him want to vote TT so much over his 100% scum-read of me? Obviously a question rayn can only answer but still. It's not clear what he's thinking exactly. Rayn does later agree with HF that something TT said was scummy but that TT post was made AFTER the vote so that can't be the reason he used at the time. Then he changes his mind anyway because "TT has said very clearly who he scumreads" so who the fuck knows. I maintain that rayn was under the influence for EOD. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote: So I caught up a little but not fully. Calix do me a favour and go back to being an obstructive dick and never ever describe me as a beautiful butterfly again, I thought I was going to puke. The only way to overcome my laziness in games is to be given obstacles I want to pass. Right now I don't feel like I have to do anything besides pushing for a shockey lynch attempt take 2. I'm now tempted to add saccharine descriptions of how wonderful you are every time I refer to you. But for real, we're all fucking around, making glorified shit-posts and waiting for the less-townie people (ShoCkeyy, TheSlenderMan, rayn, Koshi, whoever floats your boat) to do something. I'm just bored right now and have no drive to do anything because nothing's made me consider whether my reads are well off. Maybe mafia team are demotivated so that leaves the townies bickering among themselves or something. Seems a bit easy but I'm not seeing why I should think otherwise. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Catching up at work, but I also had two scumreads on the wagons, and I also said at one point that either or can be mafia. When it comes down to it, everyone is a 50/50 chance. To me, TT and Calix were the scummiest on D1. I haven't read up past the last two pages up to I would say 30mins before EoD, and probably won't be as active, as Thursday are pretty busy for me, but I'm willing to sheep Vivax, since I still consider them town, and if Vivax is willing to vote me off, then so be it, I'll vote myself off it that's what it takes for people to see me flip green. You have well over 48 hours (since you're probably not the shot) until the D2 lynch so what the fuck is this martyring? If you're town, you're in an AMAZING position because you're not distracted by how incrediscum you look and can give a fresh insight on things. But you resign yourself to death instead because Vivax thinks you're scum??? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't have that much time to sit around and give fresh views, the same shit I said yesterday will be the same shit I say today. My top two scum reads haven't changed since BF was voted off, which I didn't want to kill AFK because they're not usually mafia... but yea, I'm positive mafia jumped on the wagon of voting either I or BF off of course. Which is why Calix is the worst player... All day pushing me yesterday, and at the last second decides to vote BF off because what?.... You could of easily voted me off, but you didn't what type of shit is that. D2 is going to be the same, half the town wants to vote me off, why do I have to sit around and waste my time waiting for it to happen? I rather just get my day over with at work. Because HF didn't like the wagons and a bunch of people didn't want TT to die and couldn't get the votes on you until it was too late. Speaking of which, how do you have NO thoughts on that? You almost died yesterday and the BF wagon was the only thing that saved you. Do you have any opinions on that? Has this made you town read or mafia read anyone more strongly? Surely SOMETHING must have changed for you. Lastly, how can I be the worst player when, according to you, mafia!me successfully diverted the lynch off myself and my scum-buddy TT, mislynched BF and am now going to mislynch you? Looks like I'm pushing mafia agenda like I should be doing, right? | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:53 CopCake wrote: Also TT did everything to get Calix not lynched. There is love there guys. Wooooooo!!! (Btw is an innocent joke, in case you use this to call me toxic) Don't worry, I am amused. That "she would do everything to save TT from being lynched" line sounds like something out of a romance novel. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:56 CopCake wrote: Tbf it is the first time I see someone to put A LOT of effort for someone that is not 100% confirmed. I defend my town-reads a lot when I am town. In my first game on this site, TT and I were both town. TT was the D1 lynch and I went out of my way to save him. But I failed. Then people called me mafia for "white-knighting TT". Think that was Haunted Mafia 3 or something. I also hard-defended Tumblewood against accusations in one of BTDT's Generic Mafia games. Just two examples off the top of my head. | ||
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On June 28 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote: I can also see a conversion cop mocsta world btw. Where if it isn't mocsta it's rayn. This is why it's super annoying to play mafia with couples, especially when at least one of them takes it to the personal level. Hey, could be worse. Could be Swika | ||
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He's probably just mafia at this point. Tell me a single interesting thing he's said or done since EOD. Tell me what he is doing aside from defending ShoCkeyy because of terrible dumb-tell analysis and calling me terrible/ mafia. I can't think of anything. His recent posts are just bluffing and bullshit night kill posts and hollow reads, reads that have barely changed despite all this new information from EOD. Why is he even posting? He just look like he wants to distract people and annoy HF with all this "my reads are way better than HF's" and "HF sucks at NKs" stuff. | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:36 CopCake wrote: @Calix; have you ever ever ever considered rayn town in this game? I am trying to get your point of view because “”””””’maybe”””” you are town. Yes, I thought he was mafia to begin with, then I reconsidered for most of D1. But he is now mafia again. It is partly because of his posts (they suck) and partly because of POE (most players are townier than rayn is). | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: says the person who spammed "lynch Shockeyy" all day yesterday.... Get on my level then. It says a lot that I, the supposed ""mafia"", am running marathons around your bitch arse when it comes to game-solving. | ||
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On June 29 2018 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is - considering the level of arguments atm - probably just for a few people (in terms of actually understanding). Do you people realize that Calix (also TT kind of) is calling me mafia because i switched my vote from Calix to TT. Can you people understand that this never ever makes me mafia, unless Calix is mafia. Go look at the fucking vote count for fucks sake and think about it a little. The only other remote possibility is that i am mafia with Shockeyy but it is super far fetched and terrible since i was on a LEADING WAGON (which should assumedly be a mislynch wagon for Calix) before i switched my vote.Other thing where people suck at is vote analysis. Any reason for why i switched my vote is completely irrelevant. Shit, you got me. I'm bussing you. Now put a sock in it and let me take ALL the town cred plz. | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:29 CopCake wrote: Likely or not, the boxerfred’s wagon is wrong and bad. There were 3 people to be lynched Calix Shotckey TT If any of these got lynched we would have learned A LOT of info. Why an inactive like boxerfred? Why not someone you consider scum? Calix? You missed me yelling at people to lynch ShoCkeyy for almost the entirety of EOD, giving several reasons for him being mafia, convincing Vivax to vote for him, trying to convince Conversion to vote for him and only succeeding at the last fucking second, getting pissed off at Mocsta and TT for voting off ShoCkeyy for ??? reasons? Then I only voted for Boxerfred at the last second because I thought TT was going to die and I was not letting that happen. And you think I didn't try hard enough????????????????? REALLY? | ||
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On June 29 2018 01:37 CopCake wrote: If your vote at the end of the day was on shockey he would have died ^^ the final count vote has him with 4. You prefered to lynch an inactive. You realise two of the ShoCkeyy votes happened at the last second, right? Conversion's vote was literally at 22:59 if I recall correctly. If they had happened earlier before I had voted for BF then I would not have switched, duh. This is not hard to figure out. | ||
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This guy still needs to die. I didn't like Mocsta vs CopCake, something seemed 'off' there to me. I don't think Conversion is mafia. But he does seem to be keeping a low profile and when reading the thread in chronological order, many of his posts are the "pop in, say something while other stuff is going on and pop back out again" variety. So I'm going to look at his filter before work. I have about an hour right now. This day cycle sucks hard for me because I have two 12-hour shifts so I will be really tired and not want to do anything. But I will try to filter Mocsta when I get back from work as well unless he does something RLY TOWNIE. P.S: If anyone makes a case against me then may I politely request you add a 'tl;dr' to make my life easier? Thank you. | ||
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On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote: What an odd post Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange? | ||
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On June 29 2018 17:02 Mocsta wrote: one vote one focus You are diluting It is odd even with shift work Different playstyles =/= odd. I've explained why I think ShoCkeyy is extremely likely to flip red, mainly because of his information gap compared to the evidence he provides, as well as how his reads haven't changed at all despite having heaps of new information in the thread. I have seen nothing to convince me I am wrong, therefore I am going to look elsewhere. | ||
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I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously. On June 27 2018 05:16 Conversion wrote: Yeah, hence I don't really want to lynch him today. Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that. Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it. On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote: 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong. If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets. (as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point) He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit. Then THIS happens: On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote: Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. On June 28 2018 02:33 Conversion wrote: The thing about TT is that he has a thread presence but refuses to address direct concerns by specific people? He also keeps townleaning/townreading me through others, but never discusses anything with me.. bizarre! This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT. Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning. Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?) Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy??? On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote: Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. On June 28 2018 07:54 Conversion wrote: On top of everything else, he is more likely to flip mafia than town. IF he is town he needs to fuck off with his emo TL mafia is trash garbage monologue he's doing and actually play to save himself on a scum read HE ACTUALLY HAS win-win either way Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. 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Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that. After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia. | ||
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On June 29 2018 17:46 Mocsta wrote: I think its ok for people to waver on reads and tells. The question is the motivation which i dont think you covered Tldr. Im not seeing why this cant be town Mafia motivation is VERY clear. He's making up bad reasons to push TT because his scum-buddy ShoCkeyy is a counter-wagon. Then Conversion casually switches his vote to ShoCkeyy at the very last minute when it wouldn't do anything. Then berates everyone for lynching an AFK (oh noes!) despite him being one of the main obstacles to a ShoCkeyy lynch. Which is the main reason Boxerfred became a wagon in the fucking first place. | ||
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On June 29 2018 17:54 Mocsta wrote: And does your theory hold if shock isnt mafia? Yes, because his reasons for pushing TT are still terrible. But it makes the most sense if ShoCkeyy is mafia because if we have town!ShoCkeyy is town and mafia!Conversion then Conversion would have zero incentive to give a fuck because the wagons would ALL be town and he wouldn't need to show face with his TT posts. Look at the posts I quoted in my wall-post. Especially the ones where he tries claiming TT's martyring is mafia but doesn't explain how it pushes mafia agenda. He just says that if TT is town then he needs to get gud innit. | ||
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On June 30 2018 02:58 Tictock wrote: Bye TL Mafia, it was fun when I started, last 2 games I have literally hated myself for signing up. Sorry to the small group of people who don't deserve this shit. I'm not even gonna BM you, TT, because I relate to this. This game is crazy. I read the last 8-9 pages and you are all on the wrong track and show no signs of correcting yourselves. TT and HF and I are all really townie and yet half the game thinks we're a mafia team? Mocsta isn't even doing anything aside from agreeing with thread sentiment at every chance he gets. I see zero initiative from this guy. Conversion is not even pretending to solve the game, just wants HF dead for voting Boxerfred and OMGUSes me after I case him. And I've talked about ShoCkeyy 58403967 times at this point. I just don't see the point of putting in more time to play. I have 11 pages of filter already. My alignment is incredibly obvious at this point and if you guys can't see that, it's on you. | ||
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On June 29 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote: Last point. The thing is I can maybe see town!Calix casing me, but I don't see the logic behind town!Calix suddenly having a eureka moment and saying Shockeyy+Conversion is the team? It just seems like a cheap mafia shot to try and keep the Shockeyy momentum and if he flips town, which he most likely will, to keep another easier mislynch open that isn't her mafia team. I'll lynch you first if that'll make you happier. Half the game thinks I'm bussing you for some fucking reason so maybe that's a scum read of mine that people will actually want to kill. ##vote Conversion | ||
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On June 30 2018 07:25 Conversion wrote: yeah nah I'm going to have you die first Alright. You got lucky that you rolled scum in a game where people are having more mental breakdowns than you've accomplished in your entire mafia career. | ||
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On June 30 2018 07:30 Conversion wrote: I didn't roll scum, actually. Your reasons for scumreading are terrible. You literally townread everyone and instead of critically thinking that Shockeyy + Conversion team is absolutely stupid, you read it as if you having some sort of enlightening moment. Your post to TT is so dumb. "Oh yeah everyone is playing stupid so you're totally allowed to kill yourself" lol. Like seriously? Your reasoning right now is rayn is claimed doc town, HF is town, TT is town, you have AFKer Koshi and Slender who's probably town, so you think that Conversion/Shockeyy/Cop, the only three remaining, are the mafia team. Your depth of thinking is terrible and you're either just reaching to try and find sense, or you're just mafia throwing shit and defending confirmed townies to give yourself towncred, and then flipping 180s to the "unsure" townies to gut them against each other. I don't give a shit about playing a game where people sign up, AFK, barely play, modkill themselves off one of the least toxic games I have witnessed. Yes, seriously. He was one of the few people I actually LIKED playing with this game and I'm disappointed I can't play with him anymore. And that I have to deal with the rest of the thread. I think that team makes a lot of sense and insulting me won't change my mind. If I'm so horribly wrong then why not try and correct me? You said I could just be 'misguided town' after all ^^ Rayn self-resolves, yes. I never said anything about Slender being 'probably town'. I said Koshi was townie for agreeing with me at EOD because I'm vain. You're implying I defended TT at EOD1 as if I would know he would mod-kill himself, lol. I don't think CopCake is mafia. You mean Mocsta. Not that I'm 100% convinced there by any stretch. I just find his reads to be extremely malleable whenever someone comes up with something 'better' and he looks worse the more he does it. | ||
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On June 30 2018 07:40 Mocsta wrote: Lol calix Malleable if someone comes up ejth someyhing better is called lack of ego And its town as fuck Whatever you say, Mocsheep. | ||
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On June 30 2018 07:43 Conversion wrote: Dude has been emo-ing for 24+ hours now, I'm surprised he just didn't modkill himself earlier. That's why I backed the pressure off him, but whatever. This game is so dumb that I run into people with more mental fortitude playing a toxic ass game like DotA. My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead. If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either. That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead. Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time. Then stop playing if this game is such a huge waste of your time instead of telling us about it. I'm also going to throw up the possibility of Koshi/ Slenderman being two of the mafia. That might explain why people are having such a hard time finding scum-reads and keep pushing obvious townies instead. Because there's only one mafia to be found and since their scum-buddies aren't under any pressure, they can say whatever the fuck they want. I know people will say "lol Calix is focusing on inactives so she doesn't get lynched" but it's actually a valid world that people should consider at the very least. Well, the part about "town eating itself alive" anyway. Obviously it's not a world I 100% believe in (since I'm voting for you and think you/ ShoCkeyy/ Mocsta are scummy) but it's something I've been considering. You think this idea holds any water? | ||
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Thread sentiment is so against me that I don't think anything I say will be taken seriously so I guess I can say whatever I want. Nobody's going to read my filter when I flip town. Nobody's going to change their approach or wonder if they're the reason so many people have tilted themselves off the earth. I'm only posting right now because it's a distraction (my day at work was monumentally awful) but I already fought so hard on Day 1. I just don't care to repeat that. I don't have the time even if I wanted to. I might pop in once or twice in the morning but then I am completely AFK until...an hour or so before EOD? I think you're right, Conversion. I'm not talking my way out of this one. | ||
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On June 30 2018 08:45 CopCake wrote: Everyone noticed that the vote count happened and no mod said TT would be modkilled? Like with Regfan? They literally said TT was modkilled. | ||
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In other words, if you people are serious about lynching me, you're going straight into Day 3 triple LYLO. My advice to you, if you are town and think I am mafia, is to think really long and hard about worlds where I am town and start doing that NOW. Because that is what I am. Don't take the piss. Don't mock me and say "100% mafia" and say your reads are too good to revisit before flips. Just do it. You'll need all the time you can get with that "Calix is town" information because once you fuck up with me, you'll never get that opportunity again. | ||
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And why am I now mafia after you wrote a bunch of posts about how townie I am? Do not like. | ||
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I’m talking to HF. I don’t like how he backed down on his “strong” town reads on TT and I when it was convenient. This was the guy who said TT and I were well townie at EOD and suddenly he changed his mind? Despite one of his town reads being proven correct already??? Also I think he should know better than to suspect me. | ||
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On June 30 2018 17:32 Mocsta wrote: like, im genuinely concerned we could be in LYLO tomorrow and a shit fest with prob-town but unknown position slenderman, the afk Koshi, and "keeps catching up" shockee. which is ~50% of the vote. For me, the lynch which gives us the most INFO and resolutions is calix vs shockeey. Without this, i think we will still be at each others necks tomorrow. Without the TT modkill i was 100% calix.. now im not so sure shockee filter is pretty much tunnel vision. 1 iffy town read on vivax, and the rest is blinkers non-stop and using others cases as a push. ##Unvote Did you not make lots of posts where you called a bunch of ShoCkeyy posts townie? Can you walk me through how your thoughts have changed since the last filter dive and now? | ||
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Because I still see no reason to think Conversion’s TT progression is townie when ShoCkeyy was at risk of dying. Or that his D2 posts are good. He did not even explain why he changed his mind about the TT unlynchable thing which is where most of my case stems from, he just attacked me because nobody was taking my case seriously. It is not townie to me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 29 2018 17:34 Calix wrote: Conversion. I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously. Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it. Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets. (as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point) He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit. Then THIS happens: This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT. Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning. Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?) Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy??? Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. Probably because the only scenario where that would work is if TT/ ShoCkeyy is a scum team and then people might ask things like "why the fuck were you dithering with a ShoCkeyy vote?" and "why did you wait until it was too late to vote for ShoCkeyy?" Now I did make a post on Conversion's EOD before. But I only looked at a small part of his filter. When I looked from page 1 like I did now, his EOD looks way worse because of that TT progression. Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ ??? FTW I raise perfectly valid points here that Conversion could have easily clarified. Let me list them: 1. Vivax made a good point about why Conversion wasn't skeptical of rayn despite rayn doing things Conversion said he would be skeptical of and Conversion pretended to misunderstand Vivax to get out of answering the question. Conversion has ignored this point on two occasions now! 2. Doesn't explain his thought process on ShoCkeyy despite his ShoCkeyy read being really unclear and open to a lot of interpretation. 3. Doesn't explain why TT's 'unlynchable' thing suddenly became a scum tell again. 4. Doesn't explain how TT's martyring comes from mafia. So many points he could have responded to but he does this instead: On June 29 2018 22:13 Conversion wrote: wow I might have to sheep rayn after that post from Calix. you seriously tried hard to paint me as scum after town reading me all game? wtf. and me being mafia with Shockeyy makes no sense? Independently assessing my filter is one thig, but trying to link me and shockeyy and then logically saying I can be mafia if shockeyy flips town means you should be gunning for my lynch first and then figuring out if a town!shock town!conversion world exists. On June 29 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote: Last point. The thing is I can maybe see town!Calix casing me, but I don't see the logic behind town!Calix suddenly having a eureka moment and saying Shockeyy+Conversion is the team? It just seems like a cheap mafia shot to try and keep the Shockeyy momentum and if he flips town, which he most likely will, to keep another easier mislynch open that isn't her mafia team. | ||
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Or rather, what he hasn't done ^^ On June 29 2018 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait what the fuck... If Calix and TT are both town here Shockeyy can actually be mafia. But why? Don't you think ShoCKeyy "dumb-telled" himself town? Why do you need me to get my arse mislynched to change your mind?! While I'm on the matter, I saw your post about ShoCkeyy's dumb-tell. Let me tell you why I think he faked it. Because ShoCkeyy has played games on here before. He has played 13P games before. Conversion linked me to a 13P game he was in where mafia KPN was 1. So I ask you this. Why the fuck does he conclude that mafia KPN is 3 in this 13P? How is that even remotely balanced with only 1-2 blues? In what world does he look at the role PMs and uncritically accept that the KPN is 3 and not wonder whether he's wrong or something? It's the acceptance of such an obviously broken setup that I don't buy. So he probably faked it to look "too bad to be scummy". If there has EVER been a game where mafia KPN was 3 in a 13P and ShoCkeyy was in that game, I will immediately retract my scum-read on ShoCkeyy and call him town for the rest of the game. But I am confident this is not the case. | ||
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On June 30 2018 06:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: Edit: Until I see a "modkill" post on TT, I'm not going to believe the "role pm". Idk why I put don't lol... This is the best post in the game, hahaha. Some guy posts their role PM (something which will get the person mod-killed since it's against the rules) and his response is to "not believe it" instead of realising his heavily-flawed scum-team theory is dead in the water? Such a legitimate and townie reaction to an unexpected event, amirite. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:13 Mocsta wrote: #1815 If you believe the medic claim. That line of reasoning is silly Btw i think rayn is vig that held shot and reaction fished hf Meh. Irrelevant ShoCkeyy's post was made well before rayn claimed Medic. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote: Actually, no, this isn't right. It's because of my earlier post cake linked about you defending tt when he wasn't even up for lynch. But I already responded to that and you said my reactions were townie. You can't revive a point you already beat into the ground earlier and claim it makes me mafia again. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:20 Holyflare wrote: Of course I can. I do what I want. I think it's still a good point. I'm willing to vote shockeyy or slender though instead of you. Didn't you say Slender was probably town or some shit? | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote: No idea. If I did why does it matter? He's acknowledged the game and afkd now. Because why would you want to lynch a town read over someone you think is mafia "coz thread sentiment"? Duh. You said you'll put some effort in and you really should be doing that since we only have one lynch left but you're still fucking around. And if you say "I'll do it later" well then that's great but I won't be here later. So can you stop shitting the bed and do something plz | ||
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Yes. I'd say about 3-4 pages of my filter involves ShoCkeyy in some way. He must feel flattered from all this attention from moi. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:31 Koshi wrote: Can you summarize this case and remove everything that has something to do with shockey? I literally wrote a tl;dr of why I wrote the case in the first place. Namely the TT progression. | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote: This looks like shit on shit. Conversion said retardedthings. And you piled on on that. His TT posts ARE terrible though and don't look like a townie with a legitimate scum read or progression on him. Check his filter for yourself and tell me he actually believes what he's saying about TT. Go on, I'll wait. In the meantime, I will draw more attention to this: Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that. To anyone reading this, think about why someone might want to add a sentence that says "I'm pretty sure I used this reasoning before to scum-read someone." | ||
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On June 30 2018 19:54 Koshi wrote: Gimme time. I am discussing the book sapiens with gf while reading this. Brain overload. I think I can vote Calix after reading filter last 3 pages. Not convinced on Shockey or Conversion being mafia based on her filter alone. And I can sense when somebody is mafia from somebody else their filter You can magically tell ShoCkeyy and Conversion are town from my filter alone but you can't tell that I'm town? :L | ||
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I switched my vote to ShoCkeyy in the meantime. ##vote ShoCkeyy I would like to remind everyone that Conversion and ShoCkeyy have done almost NO game-solving this cycle. Don't believe me? Lemme get into it. ShoCkeyy's reads have not changed whatsoever. He responded to his main scum-read mod-killing himself with that hilarious "I don't believe the guy who posted his role PM is legit" post and then fucked off so he wouldn't have to put in any work. Conversion also has very static reads and zero drive to do anything. After EOD1, he kept his HF/ TT scum-team. It's only when I pushed him that he magically saw the validity of rayn's points against me. Then his lynch pool changes to Koshi/ Calix/ HF/ Mocsta AND HE DOESN'T EVEN EXPLAIN WHY HE THINKS SHOCKEYY IS TOWN. Read this post and tell me that it makes sense for him to COMPLETELY ignore ShoCkeyy when it comes to his evaluations (most of which is filler). Oh wait: My head right now is that there is at least one Mafia in this boxerfred nonsense. I'm thinking HF for even initiating it to begin with because the Light of God touched his brain 4 hours before EoD whatever and people followed, which is why I want him dead. If the rest of the shenanigan wagon is pure, that means the team is HF +2. Mocsta has been doing nothing after he tried to catch up to 20 pages, and his reasoning for boxerfred switch was trash. You and Vivax may be the only two that have an actual reason to do so, and I'm not quite entirely convinced you did it 100% just to save Tictock either. That makes Hf/Mocsta/Calix my pool since Vivax is dead. Then we have everyone else. Rayn is town unless someone is going to counterclaim him for whatever reason. Slendy/Me/Copcake/Koshi. Koshi's on vacation or whatever, but mafia!Koshi doesn't play unless he's threatened. He tends to just seep into the background and have people ignore him. I honestly think Cop is town, and I know I'm town because I read my PM and I'm not illiterate That leaves Hf/Mocsta/Calix/Koshi being my pool, and if you flip town whatever. I don't really want to waste my time trying to figure a game out when two people want to be babies and modkill themselves out when the pressure isn't even heavy and three people don't even play the game and forget they're even playing. Waste of my time. What I'm saying is that they're reactive. They're not interested about digging into things, finding townies, narrowing down a POE, questioning people to find why they think what they do, etc. They're literally doing nothing and they're getting away with it! If you don't see what I mean, compare what they're doing to what rayn (the medic dude) is doing. Even though Rayn's reads have not changed much, he still pokes and looks into things during the D2 cycle. Because rayn actually gives a fuck about the game and about finding the answers. These two simply do NOT care. Since I've done more game-solving than those two put together, leaving me alive to fight it out tomorrow makes more sense. Especially since I'll have more free time after today. If you guys REALLY don't see that I'm town by that point then fine, I will accept that I royally fucked up somewhere. But until then, nah. Anyway, break a leg and try not to fuck this one up. | ||
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On June 30 2018 23:32 Conversion wrote: like if I was mafia why wouldn’t I just sit back and vote Shockeyy and push him as hard as possible? That’d be the easiest way to guarantee a mislynch and distance myself away from any other mafia in a scum!conversion town!shockeyy world Why do you make WIFOM defences instead of explaining how you are town? You have still ignored my points. I also did not like that post where you said you would not vote for someone because you were becoming a wagon or something like that. Too much focus on self preservation when EOD is still a while away. | ||
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He could have easily lynched me and taken path of least resistance or simply agree with my ShoCkeyy read but he attacks CopCake and Conversion instead. Thoughts? | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:13 Conversion wrote: I’m going to be unavailable soon until 1 hour to 30 minutes before EoD, which is why I’m stating how this game is going to go aince we have Koshi and HF on me and apparently they can type by bashing their head against a keyboard and people won’t lynch them. Calix you’re being way too stubborn when I’m trying to work with you on alternative lynches and I’m listening to Cop and Mocsta, but if you’re just going to push me until the end of day 2, we can fight until one of us flips. Your unwillingness to work with me and just paint me red is not something that’s giving me confidence that you are town. I am not painting you. I have valid concerns with you and you ignore them and say I am painting you mafia. I am not even voting for you, fool | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:25 Conversion wrote: “Conversion is using WIFOM defense because he is stating why he would do x instead of y. Oh but Koshi is making waves because he could have done x instead of y. Thoughts?” wtf lol Okay this is actually a fair criticism, my bad. | ||
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On July 01 2018 00:30 Conversion wrote: The past two pages of your filter is quite literally 90% talking about how I’m scum. How is that not painting me red? You literally have a post where you red and bold my name as well Because I am open to changing my mind if you do stuff. You say you want to talk well let’s talk. I can’t do much right now but will try and hear you out. I am also home about 1 hour from EOD | ||
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That post was absolutely terrible. Your reads HAVEN’T changed at all! You’ve just found NK WIFOM to fling at me | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:10 Holyflare wrote: Is everyone just blind to good cases or something? Not one of you have even acknowledged this mocsta post. I read it but not properly. It was not bad at first glance. His vote on you is not what you’d expect and it’s weird for him to sheep CopCake. Still think ShoCkeyy is better tho. Do you disagree? | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: How was it terrible? Because I caught you? Of course you would try to claim it's bad. You said my reads haven't changed, but I added HF and conversion into my reads which I've never done before, but you wouldn't know because you only can claim that I'm "mafia"... You haven’t caught shit. Nothing you say about Vivax is even something I can respond to because ta NK analysis. | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: There's no point on going slenderman on an AFK again... He might be modkilled since he might not even vote again this round... In all honesty, this was my response on Mocsta, which then after switched his vote to Calix after I kept hammering Calix. I have no real opinion of him yet other than he's reading the last couple of pages, then playing from there... No slender posted so he is not getting modded | ||
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On July 01 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote: Also calix's. She says the mocsta post is good but hasn't looked in depth or voted on it. I’m working on a till so that’s why. Get home in 1-2 hours. | ||
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I’ve said this to you about 5 times now and you still repeat this argument like I say nothing. | ||
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I'll skim the thread and look at Mocsta case again in the meantime. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote: This is the most bs mafia post in existence by the way. Calix literally just hosted where Mocsta was mafia and I made the same case against Mocsta and he posted all the way up till deadline. >assuming I properly read and remember much about the games I host Nah, mate. Anyway I am going to take a break from the game over the night phase. I'm probably not dying given I'm being mafia-read to hell and back so I'll be dropping my reads and coming in with a blank slate. Or as close to possible to that. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:10 Holyflare wrote: This is not a game relevant post. It also breaks the rules about out of thread communication. Plz modkill. Your insistence on bringing this stuff up in the thread is going from 'annoying' to 'legitimately scummy' since a mod-kill on town ends the game. But then again, if you're trying to turn the mod into a vigilante as mafia instead of just winning as mafia the normal way then you can go fuck yourself. So make of that what you will. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:11 Holyflare wrote: You mean you forgot about the very specific end game where you trolled and didn't flip Mocsta mafia until 20 minutes later and endgamed. Seems very hard to forget. I already forgot I did that too until you said that. It's not like remembering games I host is something I need to do tbh. | ||
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I'm not advocating for it FTR. I'm just wondering whether I should bother continuing to play because I don't want to try just for some arsehole to end the game halfway through the night or something. If you're not then let's not talk about this and just play the game like it's supposed to be played. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:18 CopCake wrote: I am so annoyed, this is not enjoyable at all, and it is not neither the host fault, it is just literally... If you are mafia Calix, I cant even with the bullshit you pulled up to make people feel bad. Jesuschrist. If you are not I am sorry and I am the worst person but I cant. I'm not mafia so none of these comments affect me like you're clearly intending them to do. | ||
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I've been in a few games that have been as disastrous as this and they always start off so sanely. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:24 Holyflare wrote: this is awfully suicide pact-y let's all just kill calix I would hate to be the hosts right now. Not even Classic Mafia was this cancerous to host. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:27 Conversion wrote: I mean we have two people that modkilled themselves in one of the least toxic games ever when literally the only toxic thing before a certain point was the interaction between rayn-me and literally 30% of the game AFKing and slenderman not getting modkilled for who knows why I'm proud of you, Conversion. For once, you acted more sanely than a quarter of the game! <3 | ||
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I estimate town's odds of winning are about 6% right now. We're in D3 triple LYLO, the thread atmosphere sucks, nobody trusts each other and tensions are extremely high. I also don't know how to fix these problems. And here I was thinking Mafiacal's LYLO scenario was bad enough. | ||
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On July 01 2018 08:51 Holyflare wrote: I mean it's the mod's job to follow his own rules and if that slenderman post constitutes a game relevant post then fuck this. Looks like it does. You'll just have to deal with it. | ||
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This MYLO should be a bit easier with all these plot twists in the thread. ##vote Slenderman Always lynching within these two first. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:24 Holyflare wrote: And I think slenderman and copcake are absolutely terrible fake checks to make lol Are you saying Koshi/ Calix are on the same scum team and just decided to claim two blue roles in a game with at least one legit blue role? Because that's how this reads to me. | ||
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I checked Slender N2 because I didn't want to bring an AFK into LYLO while knowing absolutely nothing about what his alignment might be. I didn't put that much thought into who I checked though, lol. But I think checking people who you're unsure about is sound. | ||
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It was with that 'emotional' post where I basically said "don't lynch me today, lynch me on D3" (because I am cop and should hopefully have checks by then) | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:39 Holyflare wrote: So why have you never checked shockeyy your biggest mafia read for all eternity? Because I don't check mafia reads. I check question mark players. When it comes to mafia reads, I prefer lynching them to wasting my cop checks on them. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:41 Holyflare wrote: But you're not a cop. You are a parity cop. If you check to question mark players and they return same how are you ever going to get their alignment? By reading their posts with the new information in mind, duh. Either a same check result means they're both on a mafia team or they are both town. It's good information for world-building regardless. You can keep nitpicking at my theory of how cop should play but it's not going to get you very far. | ||
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On July 02 2018 08:50 Holyflare wrote: If I were mafia in mylo and I didn't have a rber I would know there is specifically one blue and rayn has claimed it. I would probably shoot rayn and claim parity cop on an afk guy that couldn't fight back to try and secure the game. I think calix is very much like me. I disagree with the conclusion for reasons not mentioned in this post. You are also being inconsistent. First Koshi and I are both fake-claiming scummers (since you talked shit about both of us) but now you think Koshi is being legit and I'm the fake-claimer? Ok. | ||
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If rayn keeps to his claim then rayn/ Koshi would have the second mafia otherwise both are town. Conversion/ HF/ ShoCkeyy contains either 1 mafia (if rayn/ Koshi has scum) or 2 mafia. If I've made a mistake here then lemme know. This stuff's important for world-building and figuring out which teams are never a thing. | ||
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On July 02 2018 09:03 Holyflare wrote: If rayn says he is not a role does that confirm koshi as blue? If so, why? Hm, that's one thing I missed. Because I can't think of anything that would 100% confirm him as blue since mafia can no-shoot. And it's either LYLO or MYLO so it's not the worst idea as mafia. But mafia!Koshi would not have known that I would claim and, at the time, he wouldn't have known whether rayn was legitimate or not. Since he doesn't know that rayn is legit on N2, him choosing to no-shoot seems like it could backfire if rayn believes he 'saved' a town player. And doesn't have many upsides for him because rayn still claims medic and Koshi can't counter-claim and expect an advantage. So I don't think he planned this claim very far in advance. And if he is mafia then a) I'm the only blue in the game (because otherwise he wouldn't counter rayn) and b) he must have claimed medic impulsively. Thoughts? I am dead tired from a long day outside so my logic might suck, lol. | ||
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On July 02 2018 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Calix I guess this means Koshi/ Rayn is in the clear. Meaning mafia is one of Slenderman/ CopCake and two of ShoCkeyy/ HF/ Conversion. My current guess is Slenderman/ ShoCkeyy/ Conversion for the mafia team but HF also very possible. I could be wrong on my CopCake read as well but I kinda doubt it. However Rayn and CopCake are probably voting for me without considering that I am town so that’s GG. With this in mind, I don’t know what to make of the fact that I’ve had some of the best reads out of everyone and have been relentlessly called mafia for it. | ||
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On July 02 2018 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Come on there is never cop!Calix who instantly just believes my claim, lets herself sit on four votes withouth doing anything on D2 and just afks after. Never. I didn't 'instantly believe it', I said it would self-resolve. I didn't 'AFK', I was at work and then was out for a lot of N2. Then I waited until a few minutes before EON to claim. Nothing to say there. And I have a question. If I'm mafia...why wouldn't I just say "hey hey I checked my top two scum-reads ShoCkeyy and Conversion?". Not only does that ""logically"" progress from my reads but ShoCkeyy is hardly posting so that fulfills the "push some AFK douchebag in LYLO" scenario that HF talked about. Nobody thinks I'm on a mafia team with both ShoCkeyy and Conversion so you can't use the "you're protecting your team mates" argument either. There's no reason why I wouldn't do that as scum so saying I'm mafia for not making those checks doesn't add up. Have you ever considered that maybe I just have a different way of checking people from you guys? And that someone who doesn't conform to ""optimal"" strategy isn't necessarily mafia for doing that? I think my checks are fine and people calling me bad for making them aren't going to change my mind so don't bother. | ||
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On July 02 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote: Shockey could be your teammate? If you assume the mafia spent a considerable amount of their time fighting and voting for each other, suuuuure. Or you can go for the considerably more sensible option of Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ Slenderman which DOESN'T have NEXT LEVEL bussing required to make that team work ^^ | ||
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On July 02 2018 17:11 Holyflare wrote: I mean you could quite easily be on a mafia team with shockeyy and conversion. Why do you keep responding to my points with these asinine comments? I don't think you believe this yourself because it's so mind-boggling dumb and "oh Calix was hardcore gunning for her team mates for pretty much the entire game" is not the first thing that pops into anyone's head ever. | ||
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On July 02 2018 17:20 Holyflare wrote: It's not the first thing traditionally, no. It is the first thing when someone explains if they were mafia they could have just cop checked their scum reads. Because that team you're proposing requires a stupid and unnecessary level of bussing to make even a lick of sense. Makes more sense that Slender "only posts once every day cycle to avoid mod-kill" man is mafia with ShoCkeyy/ Conversion here. | ||
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On July 02 2018 20:51 Conversion wrote: anyones one or two lf koshi calix rayn is lying so if I come around and believe Calix’s strategy I’m going straight to lynching Koshi What are you even saying here? Why can’t there be a world where all three of us are town? Lol | ||
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On July 02 2018 20:58 Conversion wrote: Role setup? the three of you claimed blue or am I retarded Rayn didn’t counter Koshi after Koshi claimed nor did he vote for Koshi which heavily implies he is not claiming medic. But sure, clarification would be good. | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:04 Conversion wrote: yeah I’m not retarded and you need to fuck off. This is twice now you make bullshit statements (first one calling me out for WIFOM and then immediately WIFOM defending Koshi) In a word where rayn and Koshi are claiming the same role, in the case you are legit somehow, why the fuck would anyone lynch outside of these two Your “aggressive” persona isn’t going to convince me of your townieness so you can drop that whenever you want. As for your question, because I have a difference check. Duh. Last game I played there was also a parity cop with difference check and we lynched outside of that. I do not want this happening again. | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:07 Conversion wrote: also you literally replied to rayn saying you believed his claim on page 120.. I said it was self resolving. I didn’t talk about Rayn claim much on D2, pretty sure. Now I infer it was a fake claim but that he’s still town. As said some clarification would be good. But if you disagree then go look into who out of Rayn and Koshi would be the mafia. | ||
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On July 02 2018 21:09 Conversion wrote: anyways I’m heading out to work now. I will not mvoe my vote unless we’re lynching Koshi cause I believe rayn over him Oh yeah how is that new job going for you anyway? Settled in yet? | ||
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On July 03 2018 01:28 Holyflare wrote: You mean that game we lynched all the mafia in? Another bad response to my posts. What is the point of saying this? I don't like your posts this cycle. I'm starting to think you're mafia and whoever the townie is out of ShoCkeyy and Conversion just misread their role PM. Unlike the last game, which had framers, millers, Godfathers, etc, there is no reason why you'd ignore a difference check ever. | ||
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On July 03 2018 03:02 CopCake wrote: @Rayn @Conversion Probability of being reading w/w interaction? You are too tunneled on a read you've had for most of the game. I bet you and rayn will yell at me post-game when I flip town without so much as a "sorry for tunneling you for three days" as well. I can't convince you two of anything and the mafia will vote me with you two. With that in mind, I think I will accept my mislynch. I have already fought my way out of a lynch twice. I do not care enough about the town win condition anymore to do this a third time. | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:15 CopCake wrote: I dont know Calix’s personality 1. Like the moment I was about to be lunched I would have screamed I am a blue role lol And i would be telling HF he is mafia the very same moment he told me i am not parity cop because I know it is true and only a mafia would have reacted like that. That is why I was asking if it was w/w 2. Because like I said before, if slenderman flips town, town will lynch me inmediatly next day. 3. It is also odd that slenderman is considered the mafia and I am the town in this scenario. 1. Here are my thoughts on blue claims. This post is from a game where I was Vanilla Town: On April 14 2018 06:28 Calix wrote: I do not claim blue to save myself as either alignment. I don't do it as blue because blues who play like shit should usually be lynched and I am no exception. I don't do it as mafia because I never do it as blue so claiming a role under pressure would be a scum claim. I am explaining this because this isn't standard TL Mafia site meta. I do not care if you agree with me or not because I believe this regardless of alignment. You just need to know that this is logic I use. 2. It is LYLO. If we lynch Slenderman and he is town then it is game over. But you would be mafia in that scenario so you would already know that. 3. I am making the WILD (this is sarcasm) assumption that the person who cares about the game is town and the person who knows the game exists but doesn't care much is mafia. This is a heuristic but it is generally accurate. But you're correct on one point. It is weird that nobody gives a fuck about you. | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote: like am I missing something here? why wouldn't we lynch into the two people that claimed the same role? My personal belief is that rayn fake-claimed but is town, and that Koshi is the doctor. The only 'strong' evidence I have for you is that if Koshi is town, then he MUST have saved rayn, yes? I'll explain a scenario where doc!Koshi 'saves' mafia!rayn and show you why it doesn't make much sense: It's possible mafia!rayn fake-claims medic and then no-shoots. But mafia!rayn would HAVE to know a real doctor was in the game (since there are always two blues with me around). So if mafia!rayn decided to no shoot with that information then he has no idea who the real doctor is going to save or whether a vigilante would shoot on N2 or anything like that. He has no real incentive to no-shoot. Basically the mafia!Koshi and mafia!rayn scenarios are TECHNICALLY possible but also make no sense. Thus I conclude both are town. If you disagree, please find my mafia!Koshi post and mafia!rayn post and tell me how my logic is wrong, please. This is very speculative so I may have missed a scenario. But I think what I say makes sense. | ||
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If I'm mafia with TWO team mates who decides (presumably in the mafia QT) to fake-claim Cop, then: 1. Why do I pick 'the worst checks of all time'? Wouldn't my mafia buddies point this out and tell me to get more believable fake cop checks? What mafia motivation do I have to pick Slenderman and CopCake of all people when I could just pick my two scum-reads? 2. Why is everyone just ignoring the cop checks aside from the guy who claimed doctor? Wouldn't my mafia buddies want to push this in the thread or something? That would be why I 'fake claimed' right? Because I'm trying to get that last mislynch. This post is WIFOM to the max but I don't give a shit. You guys haven't even considered how weird it is that (with the exception of Koshi) EVERYONE'S response to me has been "your checks suck, you suck at the game and you're mafia". Nobody is supporting me here. | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:48 CopCake wrote: I have a questiooonnnnn Can you parity cop dead people or not? No. Not that I asked because if you can then that defeats the whole point of Parity Cop. But still, no. | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:46 CopCake wrote: Mafia koshi and Mafia rayn doesnt work i think because theu are forced to shot no? And in that case it is just one blue role (which is yours) Setup states mafia can no-shoot. But if town no-lynches then mafia are forced to shoot first. Koshi/ Rayn is NEVER a team. But I'm saying neither of them are mafia. | ||
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Slenderman doesn't. This is a heuristic (I could be underestimating CopCake's mafia game and her play isn't super-townie) but it's accurate enough that I'm willing to roll with it. | ||
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On July 03 2018 04:59 CopCake wrote: Oh As mafia I am excellent. As town not so much, I am paranoid. Would you mind linking us to some of these "excellent" mafia games please? | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:01 Conversion wrote: why is your heuristic that mafia gives less fucks than town enough to the point that they have a 3 post filter in a 100+ page game My theory is that he's legitimately busy but isn't trying harder to play the game because he's mafia, him not posting much fulfills mafia win con, and he's under no pressure to do anything. | ||
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Now that you know there's a mafia between Slenderman and CopCake (or me if you think I'm lying), thoughts? On July 01 2018 09:04 TheSlenderMan wrote: I thought the Day would end tomorrow, not today :/ I see going by the last few pages that my inactivity warrants an apology. I don't know yet what has happened in the Thread, but I see a LOT of Modkills so something nasty must've happened. I only had time to read a measly ten pages. If I do get retroactively modkilled for inactivity (as some people seem to be demanding), there's probably only one useful thing I can say at this point: I feel VERY strongly that Cake is Town. Cake isn't this fortright and confident as Mafia -- she "beats up around the bush" (if that's the correct English idiom) and focuses on manipulating people but doesn't do that here. I've played with her a lot and feel VERY strongly about this read. If I had voted based on what I had read, my Vote would've gone to Calix. I really, really dislike the early Vote on Cake. Not because I disagree with the read, but because it felt really lazy, identifying Cake as a possible "low-hanging fruit" in the Thread. It didn't seem to have legitimate content-analysis to back the Vote up. Other than that his thread-presence has so far merely warranted the comment "okay-ish" in my notes, and such meek thread-presence (I've noticed) often ends up pointing to Scum. rayn has started the game pointing out the exact things I would've expected him to, in the exact tone. So I feel pretty confident in saying he's also Town here, FWIW. Of the non-modkilled early posters that leaves only Conversion and HF -- HF's start seems different compared to the last game, but not in a suspicion-raising way. "Undecided", in other words. Conversion has been relaxed slash borderline troll-y, but based on small things like #133 I'd say they are slightly more likely to be Town. Ultimately also "undecided", though. FWIW Mocsta seemed very different compared to the last game so my read of him was Town. TicTock I felt more iffy about -- the tone of the early pages Townread to me, but #105 was really bad and #108 seemed self-aware in a Mafia-like way. Regfan seemed very Town to me. Played with him a lot but that was many many years ago. As Mafia he starts painting himself in a corner very early in the game (tries to "overproduce content" in other words). There was no sight of that here, and the whole hydra-dynamic seemed not forced. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:05 CopCake wrote: Eh The problem is that I can see Slenderman to give a fuck if he was mafia. If you believe my claim then Slenderman HAS to be mafia for you. If you don't then I'm mafia and Slenderman isn't anything. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:10 CopCake wrote: I love you slenderman T-T After this post I claim that Slenderman is NOT Mafia. Do you think I'm town, CopCake? ^^ | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:15 Holyflare wrote: If he posts at the last minute then I will boycott any future game with this voting mechanic and post count of 1 requirement. I will also lose all respect for slenderman. Why is self voting even a thing? Just don't count their vote and modkill them. If you're mafia who keeps talking about mod-kills and other bullshit instead of playing the game then I will lose all respect for you ^^ It's a mechanic I used in the last game because I didn't want to mod-kill for no-votes and Kelsier copied me. You already know this since you were in that game where I introduced this mechanic. I don't recall you bitching about it this much then, if at all. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Yes but nobody abused it and it was still shit. Why would you not modkill for no votes when that is the entire point of this game that gives information. While I'd love to continue this discussion about hosting, I'd rather you do some game-solving, sweetheart. | ||
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On July 03 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote: I refuse to game solve until tomorrow when we have more perfect information. The perfect information being Koshi flipping doctor? There's zero point in no lynching when the only scenario that can come of it is one of the blue roles dying tonight. You're not even advocating for using the extra time to discuss anything! You're probably pushing for a no lynch so we don't get the chance to kill the roleblocker. Because if we lynch the roleblocker then Koshi can heal me and I get another cop check. | ||
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On July 03 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote: I mean the alternative is voting you calix so there's that added incentive You've threatened to lynch me if I don't comply with what you want on 2-3 occasions now. So fuck off, scum. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is madec, Calix is never ever blue. Wrong. You should try this thing called "re-evaluating" your three-cycle-old scum-read sometime. Do you now think Slenderman is town here? | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shut up you are never blue here, there is simply no chance you 1) take Gemma's first post completely unnoticed however pre-planned that was, 2) simply just 100% believe your top scumreads claim on D2, ) never care about TT's "i am unlynchable you just dont know it yet" enough to not wanna save yourself over him like you did, 4) never cared about anything on D2. Never, ever, as blue. Never. 1. Refuted this ages ago, not dragging this shit up again. 2. I also refuted this point. Saying a claim is self-resolving =/= "100% believing top scum-read's claim" 3. What does this even mean? lol 4. I was working two 12-hour shifts on D2 and have said this in the chat about 39509376 times. Get out of here with using real life as a reason to scum-read people. Get better scum-reads, plox. | ||
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Suits me if you want to be that way. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a town cop and decided to NOT check me on N2 you are the most terrible cop ever so there is that. I am lynching you for it. Why would I ever do that? We have literally no other way of getting anything about Slenderman's alignment from him so therefore I checked him. Simple. And don't pull that shit where you mislynch me and then say it's my fault post-game. If you kill me, that's on you. | ||
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. Everyone starts off with a self-vote and I voted for Slenderman before I even became a wagon. | ||
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I sense you are going to do that very annoying thing of mislynching me and then yelling at me post-game despite being the person to mislynch me. So may I recommend not doing that? I'm not super-fussed if I end up dying. But you blaming me for your mistake is what I don't want. | ||
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Sadly rayn can't see that HF is doing everything possible to avoid killing Slenderman because Slenderman is mafia. But baby steps. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote: Scummy as hell for wanting slenderman dead by modkill who calix is currently scum reading but still calling me mafia. Yeah, I think you're abusing that host bullshit as mafia. And if that person isn't getting mod-killed then this means nothing. Even if Slenderman did get mod-killed and flipped mafia, that doesn't clear you whatsoever. You can bus pretty hardcore when you want. | ||
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On July 03 2018 07:45 CopCake wrote: Because if slenderman is town you kill me inmediatly? And the other people are way better versed in speaking english than me? I mean, Calix picked an afk and a person who speaks portuguese as her cop checks. Going to go off-topic for a hot second. You're Portuguese? Do you and rayn actually live together IRL or is it one of those online relationships? I'm just curious. Don't feel like you have to answer this question if you don't want to ^^ | ||
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Needs a wig and a cop badge to be truly accurate ^^ | ||
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Guess that "no lynching" stuff wasn't genuine after all ^^ | ||
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On July 03 2018 08:01 CopCake wrote: Tbh scummy part is that well... maybe the end of the day times <~< are bad? Like everyone just pops when day of the end happens You should probably explain why you're voting for me or something ^^ | ||
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On July 03 2018 08:06 CopCake wrote: Because rayn is pretty much confirmed with koshi No way in hell mafia misses that If you are town the only teams are: Slenderman/hf/shockey Slenderman/hf/conversion Slenderman/shockey/conversion Yes, that's what I've been saying THIS ENTIRE TIME. We AGREE that rayn and Koshi are town! I am ruling out the third team you listed there because HF is pushing mafia agenda very hard right now. He decides on a whim to not no-lynch and vote for me instead WHEN IT PUTS ME AHEAD OF SLENDERMAN. Even if he unvotes, I'll still die first. HF is mafia with Slenderman, I swear to God. It's so obvious. HF is doing everything possible to avoid lynching Slenderman. Please tell me you can see this. | ||
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On July 03 2018 08:10 CopCake wrote: Like talking of actions If there are two roles, mafia knows that, right? Because there is a blocker. But if there is just one role, town doesnt know it so it is hard to have a cc than with two. No one is cc you. Mafia would have jumped and cc you now. Yes, mafia knows how many blue roles are in the game. And would they? Mafia is currently getting me mislynched without having to counter-claim ^^ | ||
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On July 03 2018 08:17 Holyflare wrote: I'd rather just be done with the game if you're town and nobody wants to vote no lynch even though we should. I've given plenty of reasons why slenderman is probably town too. Nice try but I'm not buying this emotional rationale for killing me. And yes, you've really tried convincing people this cycle why Slenderman is town instead of opportunistically pushing everything that will save Slenderman. Oh wait. | ||
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If he said yes then what are you gonna do? Vote for him or something? lmao | ||
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Seriously, can you at least see that HF is super obviously trying to save Slenderman here? It's clear as day. | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but you are super obviously NOT trying to even say yourself when you are supposed to be a blue role, not here, not D2, not D1, so excuse me i am not believing you. So you'll accept full responsibility when I flip town, right? It's clear you don't read my posts. I already explained that I don't claim to save myself as any alignment ever. That's NAI for me. #eversince | ||
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Oh goodie. I won't actually be around for most of tomorrow - I have yet another stupidly long shift - but I don't have much else to add. It is not like giving reads will help much at this point. HF/ Slenderman are two obvious mafia but I still don't really know who the third mafia between Conversion and ShoCkeyy is. If it's Conversion then I think his mafia game has improved some ^^ This game had its moments but it felt like people stopped playing mafia after Day 1 and started baselessly accusing people and there weren't many people who really looked into why people posted what they did or even read the thread properly half the time. But I'm not here to get on my soapbox. I just don't think I'll be playing or hosting again. | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: of course you won't, you are only around during night phases. You of all people should know how annoying it is to be accused of inactivity/ lurking just because you work long hours. May I request that you don't use my own time constraints as a reason to make judgments about my alignment? It would be much appreciated. | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't, i am just being a dick. Because you have a nerve to come here, after "i have not been around" to claim you are the only player who has read the game and the only player who has good reads. Like that's fuckign disgusting when i KNOW FOR A FACT your D1 was the most fucking terrible D1 ever in case you are town, and i am not going to believe it, you are just arrogant because you are mafia. You on and on and on act like an arrogent person and it disgusts me and you are mafia and you need to die. Period. I'm arrogant when you are the one arrogantly proclaiming me to be 100% mafia? Self-awareness isn't your forte, is it? | ||
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On July 03 2018 09:46 Holyflare wrote: This is dumb as fuck. Not only do I not look like mafia nor do I look like I'm saving my teammate after asking for his modkill and declaring him a cheater pmer and town BUT YOU CAN'T DECIDE IF IT'S SHOCKEY OR CONVERSION WHEN I VOTED BF TO EFFECTIVELY SAVE SHOCKEYY LOL Is this some weird scumbrag where you tell me ShoCkeyy's your team mate because you know nobody's going to listen to me anyway? Because it sure looks like that. | ||
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On July 03 2018 10:02 Conversion wrote: I'm not mafia, so my town game is definitely back to shit-tier. also doesn't help that I lost motivation I guess in goood news I finally am almost signed onto my new job ! woohoo Congrats  On July 03 2018 10:06 Holyflare wrote: No it's a you don't give a shit about solving the game when from your perspective everything I've done would be to save shockeyy by lynching weird bf and nothing I've done is anything to do with conversion. You don't even remember it, that's the problem. I already POE'd the game down to four people. I am getting lynched so I have no incentive to look for the third mafia. Under normal circumstances, I'd say 'good game HF' given how crap your team must have been. | ||
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On July 04 2018 05:18 CopCake wrote: Burritos are made of meat tho Also annoying eotd if no one will come Isn’t everyone just busy with that football thing? If you have been, I hope you saved enough popcorn from that for the post game :p | ||
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Like Day 1 earlier. | ||
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On July 04 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: You did very good in convinceing people to lynch HF i see. If I die the next day then the game ends the same way so I am indifferent to who dies. | ||
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On July 04 2018 07:18 CopCake wrote: But didnt mafia win if we misslynch? O_o Yes. You guys have been trying to kill me for three days. I have defended myself and argued for lynching my scum-reads over that time. If nothing I have said in SEVENTEEN pages of filter has convinced you then how would anything I say convince you now? It is tiring when you have been unrelentingly scum-read since Day 1 regardless of alignment so forgive me if I come across as apathetic. | ||
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Can we have the mafia chat? ^^ | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Calix it’s mostly me talking to myself D: Post it anyway, lol. | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm just happy i made it all the way to endgame lmao, how was my general level of play based on the mafia QT as well? I think I was reading the town and their actions decently. You're not a complete shitter at the mafia alignment. You're welcome for this devastatingly high praise ^^ | ||
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On July 04 2018 08:43 KelsierSC wrote: I'd like to say a few things about the game. Firstly I want to apologise for the general standard of moderation. It was my first time running a game and to put it mildly things did not go smoothly. My primary aim was to keep people having fun and playing the game, more recently games have been a lot quieter, people are busier in general and I wanted to follow the same concept as Calix so I wouldn't have to modkill anyone (hopefully). However the game didn't play out that way. In hindsight I should have absolutely modkilled TheSlenderMan after D2. The way he played would have been unacceptable in 99% of games on this site. My own inexperience and indecisiveness was at fault here. Not modkilling him definitely angered people and sapped any motivation from the town. Going forward if I host another game I would have stricter activity rules not use the self voting system that I used in this game, it is too easily abused. Thank you all who stayed with the game for not modkilling yourselves and putting in a tremendous amount of effort for the first few days. I hope going forward that you play in my games (and other mafia games on TL) and I will try to do better by you all Pretty much every host has one of "those" games where everything goes wrong. It's like an initiation. I can assure you that my first hosted game was similarly disastrous. In terms of improvements, I'd agree with Mocsta on vote counts as an incorrect vote count can influence opinions and interpretations of events a lot. Otherwise I think your hosting was decent on the whole. I appreciate that you took the time to consider how to improve. While I'm here, I'd like to thank you and Tubesock for taking the time to host | ||
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I think the same thing is happening with TL Mafia where you're having the problem of "the playerbase is small so if the rules are too harsh then there won't be enough players because they would all be banned for inactivity/ bad behaviour. But if we don't punish people for those things then the bad quality of games will drive away players." If a solution exists to this problem then I have yet to find it. | ||
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I don’t think that’s necessarily bad. Part of mafia’s job is to rile up town so their decision making skills are compromised. Also most people seem perfectly fine and pleasant outside of the game. I actually spent a lot of time thinking Conversion was mafia because he was being such a dick so soon after we had cohosted together. And I thought that he was deliberately being inflammatory to push mafia agenda ^^ I would say that if someone repeatedly keeps insulting people, starts attacking their personal characteristics or if someone asks them to stop and they don’t then that’s when it becomes a problem. | ||
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