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That is the thing i mostly like about Mocsta, even more than the early ping on Calix post.
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On June 26 2018 22:52 Regfan wrote:
We look at different things and talk about things in different ways, but the overall way we look at the game and the reads we end up at are typically very very similar (and they have been this game, with a few little discrepancies because he has meta knowledge that I don't and he's in a better place mentally/emotionally than I am). I'm not sure why else you might feel like we've been disconnected, it feels to me like we've been talking out of each other's brains for the most part so far.
Actually going to sleep now.
-G
Furthermore, there is simply no meta knowledge Regfan has so far (since Slendy hasn't posted) other than on me and apparently that hasn't lead him nowhere. So i don't really know what you are talking about here.
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I also believe Regfan should have a read on me based on what i have posted. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but still my point where you don't "act together" stands, still you go stuff like:
On June 26 2018 21:42 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:I will tell you a secret. During work i went through every single mafia game i ever remember Cake playing on teamliquid and as mafia she has absolutely zero townreads during the first cycle. Literally zero.  I will tell you another secret, there is simply no reason to think Cake is mafia because she is mostly interested in my alignment or what i think her is. You could simply just go look at any game we have played together in in last years or so. Painting one question you can't understand (while you could just simply ask -- or go check) as "useless question S" is not only lazy as hell, it's also misconstruing the whole thing in the first place. Third secret. Who needs Gemma the seer when you have Calix the "i didn't really care to read anything much i just went to some random person's filter that btw doesn't make any sense to go to in the first place given the playerbase and hallelujah!! Every post was a mafia post!" yeah right. Looking for mafia or looking for a lynch? a) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real. b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her. c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced. c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing. d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her. And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much.
I find it hard to believe this is the only thing Regfan has to say about me at this point, like "yeah just push him if you think he is mafia". Like 60% hard or maybe a bit more. More like "let it be and let me see what it is when i am around" as town. It seems super super weird to me.
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On June 26 2018 23:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:15 Conversion wrote:
if your points didn't change, why is this a scum read? if anything it seems more town-indicative to make a statement such as "there is a real seer" when there isn't a "seer" I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^
Except she never implied that.
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On June 26 2018 23:26 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:19 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 23:15 Conversion wrote:
if your points didn't change, why is this a scum read? if anything it seems more town-indicative to make a statement such as "there is a real seer" when there isn't a "seer" I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^ We might be reading things differently, but CopCake's post to me seemed like she was saying more so that no mafia would (realisticly) ever posture that he/she is a seer, when there is a real seer, (so the post is fake).
FTFY.
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On June 26 2018 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 23:26 Conversion wrote:On June 26 2018 23:19 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 23:15 Conversion wrote:
if your points didn't change, why is this a scum read? if anything it seems more town-indicative to make a statement such as "there is a real seer" when there isn't a "seer" I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^ We might be reading things differently, but CopCake's post to me seemed like she was saying more so that no mafia would (realisticly) ever posture that he/she is a seer, when there is a real seer, (so the post is fake). FTFY.
It actually makes even less sense if Cake thinks (or knows) there is a real seer (which she cannot know anyways) as mafia to make that set of posts.
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Holyflare, which oif your reads are aligning with Mocsta?
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On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through.
ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying.
this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia.
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On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town?
It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"?
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On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.
Fine, for starters expalin to me why the fucking fuck should i EVER EVEN THINK of googling a post or some other shit like that in a mafia game just to see if someone has posted it before?
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Like that is the most fucking bs i have ever read in my life Vivax.
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On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it?
I like it?
Why don't you?
Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer?
Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now?
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Vivax am i town or mafia?
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On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it? I like it? Why don't you? Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer? Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now?
Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's
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On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote:
The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming.
I didn't touch this before for someone else to debunk that shit aswell. well this isn't exactly it but like.. If you read Cake's posts she has either a townread or "non-scumread" on every player who has posted so far other than Calix, Holyflare and Regfan. Regfan is already at least "moderately pressured" by Mocsta at the time. Calix is the same, by me and Mocsta.
If you don't think anyone else is mafia, who do you want to pressure as town?
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On June 27 2018 00:38 Vivax wrote:I don't know might take a guess later. Why is this relevant?
Because you implied i am mafia (idk i might be wrong here but you still did), and now your top scumread is my top townread and you have nothing to say about it and instead of that you wanna discuss some nonsense about Holyflare.
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On June 27 2018 00:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it? I like it? Why don't you? Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer? Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now? Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's How can I be more specific??? Mocsta looked scummy because he gave me a get out of jail free card and scum read regfan (who I thought looked not bad). I start to write a post while catching up about mocsta being mafia but I look at the next few posts and he had reevaluated that read and given a list post. I read the list post and his reevaluation on regfan was good because :
Nobody was saying anything against mocsta scum reading reg
He acknowledges his points weren't the bestThen he makes a good commentary on what I pretty much think about the rest of the players in the game. Thus I let mocsta off and wanted to see more from him before starting a shit fight and calling him mafia all over again. I'd say light town read at a stretch.
The problem is he "acknowledges his points are bad " but then calls Regfan "most likely mafia" once again for the same points.
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On June 27 2018 00:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
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I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia.
I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago.
Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it? I like it? Why don't you? Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer? Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now? Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's How can I be more specific??? Mocsta looked scummy because he gave me a get out of jail free card and scum read regfan (who I thought looked not bad). I start to write a post while catching up about mocsta being mafia but I look at the next few posts and he had reevaluated that read and given a list post. I read the list post and his reevaluation on regfan was good because :
Nobody was saying anything against mocsta scum reading reg
He acknowledges his points weren't the bestThen he makes a good commentary on what I pretty much think about the rest of the players in the game. Thus I let mocsta off and wanted to see more from him before starting a shit fight and calling him mafia all over again. I'd say light town read at a stretch. The problem is he "acknowledges his points are bad " but then calls Regfan "most likely mafia" once again for the same points. I'm not gonna pretend like I remember what mocsta's original points were because I don't really. Have I been bamboozled?
It is literally 4 posts above the one you liked so much.
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Calix and Vivax are like fucking super obvious mafia lol.
##vote Calix
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On June 27 2018 01:13 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix and Vivax are like fucking super obvious mafia lol. ##vote Calix If there's one thing more annoying than a rayn, it's a rayn who doesn't have the decency to be correct in his accusations ^^
And you accept it with a smile while like an hour ago i was mafia. Yes, i believe that.
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