EPTI think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia.
And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now.
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I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia. And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now. | ||
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Don't think Calix is mafia here but I will always lynch that if the majority thinks that so no point thinking too much about he alignment. HF is purely a wild guess. I think shockey is onto something with TT tho, nothing to do with his unlynchable shit for me though. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:55 Tictock wrote: IMO you should just ignore Conversion re: HF. It is some sort of gruge, or more like he is just unwilling to try and read HF so just always assumes he is mafia and thinks the best play is to kill him first. And I'm not quoting it, but your next post about Rayn here reminded me of something in the Conv v Rayn shit fest that I want to check. Conversion is well know to rage when insulted (though he never has a problem throwing the insults himself), even to the extent that he got himself modkilled in his last game after blowing up about some bout of name calling or some such. Point being? | ||
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Didn't peace out for long I'm back at a pc. Why I said that regfan? Cause I felt like saying it? No deep reason behind it just a thought that was crossing my mind at the time. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote: Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. I'm wondering what it is that makes it worth mentioning he read TT here. | ||
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On June 27 2018 23:44 Tictock wrote: Eh, Rayn seems pretty likely to be town to me here, though I don't think I've ever correctly called him out as mafia. Still his mindset has flowed well with mine so feel pretty fine leaving him as a townread. HF I could easily see being mafia, he has been pretty sideline noise this game and his reads haven't really evolved much, he's just started talking about a wider range of people. I tend to feel that way about him most games though. I'm gunna start a list of players to filter during my meal, HF is gunna be first on my list. I think I was giving him some townie points for ignoring Conversion and focusing on something he saw from me, but that's super weak at this point. What does this even mean? Why does he get townie points for ignoring conversion and pushing you? | ||
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Feels after reading his filter, him playing the offended cause I complained about rayn taking your post at face value and cause he seems like a lynch that can happen. | ||
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On June 28 2018 01:16 Tictock wrote: Check my filter if you really care, I explained it earlier. I thought him ignoring someone who was just shouting to lynch HF and instead push something else was fairly towny. Conversions HF train wasn't going to happen purely out of policy though that should be obvious as much to you as it was to HF. | ||
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On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote: Following a re-read: (1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote (2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good. - Things like HF read fine to me. - Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn. (3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor - Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around. - Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not. (4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake). - Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active. - CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia. (5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. On June 27 2018 00:10 Mocsta wrote: fyi Its not redundant to me Im heavily a heuristic is true until proven false player I have no fear to partially out that tell because in my mind at least you cant fabricate ehat im looking for as mafia. Regardless vivax is painful yo read and showing none if his town laser focus Im happy between calix and vivax for a vote Nite 4 realz now On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Calix + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. Who are these others he speaks of in his last bold, weren't they just me and conv who didn't want anything to do with the post? Why isn't he wary of rayn picking it apart like crazy then? If only me and conversion that I know of tried to avoid analyzing the copypasta, why is he far away from a TR on both of us when he writes this unless he knew we were both town? | ||
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That's a nice point though calix.Seems overconfident to write you off as scum and me as town just cause you went after seemingly low hanging fruit especially when I have a bunch of posts where I voice suspicion of Koshi and him myself. Would vote Shockey as well as TT with no particular preference. Which by the way means that both of the guys hard tring me are mafia if correct. | ||
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On June 28 2018 04:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't care why you may think I'm more mafia, but what is making you think TT maybe town? I decided that he has an honest tone to his posts. Da | ||
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