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On June 28 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote:
So I caught up a little but not fully.
Calix do me a favour and go back to being an obstructive dick and never ever describe me as a beautiful butterfly again, I thought I was going to puke.
The only way to overcome my laziness in games is to be given obstacles I want to pass. Right now I don't feel like I have to do anything besides pushing for a shockey lynch attempt take 2.
I'm now tempted to add saccharine descriptions of how wonderful you are every time I refer to you.
But for real, we're all fucking around, making glorified shit-posts and waiting for the less-townie people (ShoCkeyy, TheSlenderMan, rayn, Koshi, whoever floats your boat) to do something. I'm just bored right now and have no drive to do anything because nothing's made me consider whether my reads are well off.
Maybe mafia team are demotivated so that leaves the townies bickering among themselves or something. Seems a bit easy but I'm not seeing why I should think otherwise.
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On June 28 2018 23:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 23:21 CopCake wrote:On June 28 2018 22:18 Vivax wrote:On June 28 2018 22:17 CopCake wrote:
I explained you why I think rayn is town in my opinion.
Yet someone hasnt come to tell me why he is mafia. What do you make of his EoD entrance? Someone also mentioned he said it was probably going to be a town lynch when two of his scumreads were being wagons. Like this post is a lie and very manipulative. Catching up at work, but I also had two scumreads on the wagons, and I also said at one point that either or can be mafia. When it comes down to it, everyone is a 50/50 chance. To me, TT and Calix were the scummiest on D1. I haven't read up past the last two pages up to I would say 30mins before EoD, and probably won't be as active, as Thursday are pretty busy for me, but I'm willing to sheep Vivax, since I still consider them town, and if Vivax is willing to vote me off, then so be it, I'll vote myself off it that's what it takes for people to see me flip green.
You have well over 48 hours (since you're probably not the shot) until the D2 lynch so what the fuck is this martyring?
If you're town, you're in an AMAZING position because you're not distracted by how incrediscum you look and can give a fresh insight on things.
But you resign yourself to death instead because Vivax thinks you're scum???
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On June 28 2018 23:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don't have that much time to sit around and give fresh views, the same shit I said yesterday will be the same shit I say today. My top two scum reads haven't changed since BF was voted off, which I didn't want to kill AFK because they're not usually mafia... but yea, I'm positive mafia jumped on the wagon of voting either I or BF off of course. Which is why Calix is the worst player...
All day pushing me yesterday, and at the last second decides to vote BF off because what?.... You could of easily voted me off, but you didn't what type of shit is that. D2 is going to be the same, half the town wants to vote me off, why do I have to sit around and waste my time waiting for it to happen? I rather just get my day over with at work.
Because HF didn't like the wagons and a bunch of people didn't want TT to die and couldn't get the votes on you until it was too late.
Speaking of which, how do you have NO thoughts on that? You almost died yesterday and the BF wagon was the only thing that saved you. Do you have any opinions on that? Has this made you town read or mafia read anyone more strongly? Surely SOMETHING must have changed for you.
Lastly, how can I be the worst player when, according to you, mafia!me successfully diverted the lynch off myself and my scum-buddy TT, mislynched BF and am now going to mislynch you? Looks like I'm pushing mafia agenda like I should be doing, right?
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On June 28 2018 23:53 CopCake wrote:
Also TT did everything to get Calix not lynched.
There is love there guys.
Wooooooo!!!
(Btw is an innocent joke, in case you use this to call me toxic)
Don't worry, I am amused. That "she would do everything to save TT from being lynched" line sounds like something out of a romance novel.
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On June 28 2018 23:56 CopCake wrote:
Tbf it is the first time I see someone to put A LOT of effort for someone that is not 100% confirmed.
I defend my town-reads a lot when I am town.
In my first game on this site, TT and I were both town. TT was the D1 lynch and I went out of my way to save him. But I failed. Then people called me mafia for "white-knighting TT". Think that was Haunted Mafia 3 or something.
I also hard-defended Tumblewood against accusations in one of BTDT's Generic Mafia games.
Just two examples off the top of my head.
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On June 28 2018 23:58 Vivax wrote:I can also see a conversion cop mocsta world btw. Where if it isn't mocsta it's rayn. Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it. This is why it's super annoying to play mafia with couples, especially when at least one of them takes it to the personal level.
Hey, could be worse. Could be Swika 
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I don't give a fuck about this NK stuff. It's just a distraction rayn's throwing around.
He's probably just mafia at this point. Tell me a single interesting thing he's said or done since EOD. Tell me what he is doing aside from defending ShoCkeyy because of terrible dumb-tell analysis and calling me terrible/ mafia. I can't think of anything.
His recent posts are just bluffing and bullshit night kill posts and hollow reads, reads that have barely changed despite all this new information from EOD.
Why is he even posting? He just look like he wants to distract people and annoy HF with all this "my reads are way better than HF's" and "HF sucks at NKs" stuff.
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On June 29 2018 00:36 CopCake wrote:
@Calix; have you ever ever ever considered rayn town in this game?
I am trying to get your point of view because “”””””’maybe”””” you are town.
Yes, I thought he was mafia to begin with, then I reconsidered for most of D1.
But he is now mafia again.
It is partly because of his posts (they suck) and partly because of POE (most players are townier than rayn is).
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On June 29 2018 00:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 00:34 Calix wrote:
I don't give a fuck about this NK stuff. It's just a distraction rayn's throwing around.
He's probably just mafia at this point. Tell me a single interesting thing he's said or done since EOD. Tell me what he is doing aside from defending ShoCkeyy because of terrible dumb-tell analysis and calling me terrible/ mafia. I can't think of anything.
His recent posts are just bluffing and bullshit night kill posts and hollow reads, reads that have barely changed despite all this new information from EOD.
Why is he even posting? He just look like he wants to distract people and annoy HF with all this "my reads are way better than HF's" and "HF sucks at NKs" stuff. says the person who spammed "lynch Shockeyy" all day yesterday....
Get on my level then. It says a lot that I, the supposed ""mafia"", am running marathons around your bitch arse when it comes to game-solving.
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On June 29 2018 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now this is - considering the level of arguments atm - probably just for a few people (in terms of actually understanding). Do you people realize that Calix (also TT kind of) is calling me mafia because i switched my vote from Calix to TT. Can you people understand that this never ever makes me mafia, unless Calix is mafia.  Go look at the fucking vote count for fucks sake and think about it a little. The only other remote possibility is that i am mafia with Shockeyy but it is super far fetched and terrible since i was on a LEADING WAGON (which should assumedly be a mislynch wagon for Calix) before i switched my vote. Other thing where people suck at is vote analysis. Any reason for why i switched my vote is completely irrelevant.
Shit, you got me. I'm bussing you. Now put a sock in it and let me take ALL the town cred plz.
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On June 29 2018 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Likely or not, the boxerfred’s wagon is wrong and bad.
There were 3 people to be lynched
Calix
Shotckey
TT
If any of these got lynched we would have learned A LOT of info.
Why an inactive like boxerfred?
Why not someone you consider scum? Calix?
You missed me yelling at people to lynch ShoCkeyy for almost the entirety of EOD, giving several reasons for him being mafia, convincing Vivax to vote for him, trying to convince Conversion to vote for him and only succeeding at the last fucking second, getting pissed off at Mocsta and TT for voting off ShoCkeyy for ??? reasons? Then I only voted for Boxerfred at the last second because I thought TT was going to die and I was not letting that happen.
And you think I didn't try hard enough?????????????????
REALLY?
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On June 29 2018 01:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 01:33 Calix wrote:On June 29 2018 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Likely or not, the boxerfred’s wagon is wrong and bad.
There were 3 people to be lynched
Calix
Shotckey
TT
If any of these got lynched we would have learned A LOT of info.
Why an inactive like boxerfred?
Why not someone you consider scum? Calix?
You missed me yelling at people to lynch ShoCkeyy for almost the entirety of EOD, giving several reasons for him being mafia, convincing Vivax to vote for him, trying to convince Conversion to vote for him and only succeeding at the last fucking second, getting pissed off at Mocsta and TT for voting off ShoCkeyy for ??? reasons? Then I only voted for Boxerfred at the last second because I thought TT was going to die and I was not letting that happen. And you think I didn't try hard enough????????????????? REALLY? If your vote at the end of the day was on shockey he would have died ^^ the final count vote has him with 4. You prefered to lynch an inactive.
You realise two of the ShoCkeyy votes happened at the last second, right? Conversion's vote was literally at 22:59 if I recall correctly.
If they had happened earlier before I had voted for BF then I would not have switched, duh.
This is not hard to figure out.
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Anyway I am going to stop defending myself here because I am getting close to tilted and it's really fucking obvious why I did what I did at EOD.
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##vote ShoCkeyy
This guy still needs to die.
I didn't like Mocsta vs CopCake, something seemed 'off' there to me.
I don't think Conversion is mafia. But he does seem to be keeping a low profile and when reading the thread in chronological order, many of his posts are the "pop in, say something while other stuff is going on and pop back out again" variety. So I'm going to look at his filter before work. I have about an hour right now.
This day cycle sucks hard for me because I have two 12-hour shifts so I will be really tired and not want to do anything. But I will try to filter Mocsta when I get back from work as well unless he does something RLY TOWNIE.
P.S: If anyone makes a case against me then may I politely request you add a 'tl;dr' to make my life easier? Thank you.
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On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later
I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange?
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On June 29 2018 17:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 17:00 Calix wrote:On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange? one vote one focus You are diluting It is odd even with shift work
Different playstyles =/= odd.
I've explained why I think ShoCkeyy is extremely likely to flip red, mainly because of his information gap compared to the evidence he provides, as well as how his reads haven't changed at all despite having heaps of new information in the thread. I have seen nothing to convince me I am wrong, therefore I am going to look elsewhere.
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Conversion.
I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously.
On June 27 2018 05:16 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 02:18 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 02:07 Conversion wrote:
I don't think either Vivax or Calix is mafia for all that's worth at this very exact moment in the game. Or if they was one, it'd be a 1/1 split. No way mafiateam Vivax and Calix randomly jump on Copcake like that.. no reward medium risk play.
Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose.
Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over I think you make a decent point with Reg. I was town-reading that slot because we had similar-ish reads at around the same time and they're producing a lot of content. But I can also see your argument where they don't say much that's scummy in isolation but you also can't say what they're trying to accomplish this game. It's not something I want to bet a D1 lynch on though. I'm a bit skeptical about how I'm reading people because (now I've started to actually filter people and play the game) there's nothing that scummy about most of the active players and I kinda doubt that ALL the mafia are inactive. On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote:
also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way Why? Yeah, hence I don't really want to lynch him today. Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.
Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it.
On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong. If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books
Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets.
(as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point)
He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit.
Then THIS happens:
On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air.
On June 28 2018 02:33 Conversion wrote:
The thing about TT is that he has a thread presence but refuses to address direct concerns by specific people? He also keeps townleaning/townreading me through others, but never discusses anything with me.. bizarre!
This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT.
Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning.
Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?)
Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy???
On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself.
On June 28 2018 07:54 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:53 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself? On top of everything else, he is more likely to flip mafia than town. IF he is town he needs to fuck off with his emo TL mafia is trash garbage monologue he's doing and actually play to save himself on a scum read HE ACTUALLY HAS win-win either way
Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. Probably because the only scenario where that would work is if TT/ ShoCkeyy is a scum team and then people might ask things like "why the fuck were you dithering with a ShoCkeyy vote?" and "why did you wait until it was too late to vote for ShoCkeyy?"
Now I did make a post on Conversion's EOD before. But I only looked at a small part of his filter. When I looked from page 1 like I did now, his EOD looks way worse because of that TT progression.
Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ ??? FTW
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For the people who are short on time, here's a TL;DR of what convinced me to write a giant wall-post in the first place:
Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.
After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that.
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together
Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia.
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On June 29 2018 17:46 Mocsta wrote:
I think its ok for people to waver on reads and tells.
The question is the motivation which i dont think you covered
Tldr. Im not seeing why this cant be town
Mafia motivation is VERY clear. He's making up bad reasons to push TT because his scum-buddy ShoCkeyy is a counter-wagon.
Then Conversion casually switches his vote to ShoCkeyy at the very last minute when it wouldn't do anything. Then berates everyone for lynching an AFK (oh noes!) despite him being one of the main obstacles to a ShoCkeyy lynch. Which is the main reason Boxerfred became a wagon in the fucking first place.
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On June 29 2018 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
And does your theory hold if shock isnt mafia?
Yes, because his reasons for pushing TT are still terrible.
But it makes the most sense if ShoCkeyy is mafia because if we have town!ShoCkeyy is town and mafia!Conversion then Conversion would have zero incentive to give a fuck because the wagons would ALL be town and he wouldn't need to show face with his TT posts.
Look at the posts I quoted in my wall-post. Especially the ones where he tries claiming TT's martyring is mafia but doesn't explain how it pushes mafia agenda. He just says that if TT is town then he needs to get gud innit.
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