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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
On June 13 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote: that's the most bull shit point I've ever heard though? No I think that seems like a plausible Rayn thought process. Rayn's scumhunting is a mix of trying to get into different players' heads and analyzing how each player would approach the game + angry OMGUS. It looks weird to you because I think your style is mostly based on looking for inconsistent statements/actions. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
Which I think is actually correct logic. On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
The only reason Rayn is under so much suspicion is because he has been tunneling the three people who voted for him, and I don't think he's more likely to do that as mafia than as town. Other than that and one early post his filter looks fine. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 11 2018 01:13 Grackaroni wrote: No I don't think so I would expect my filter to piss him off. You even agreed that the logic wasn't what you would expect from rayn, but now you're defending the read? The only part from that latest quote that really is relevant to his initial read is his comparison to last game, but that explanation seems more like he is coming to a conclusion first and then providing an explanation. For instance, look how I could come to the exact opposite conclusion depending on how I want to frame it: 1) Last game Grack looked really townie 2) This game Grack looks nothing like his town play that he sure is capable of Therefore, Grack is mafia because he is playing so different. What specifically do you disagree with about Mocsta by the way? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On June 13 2018 04:54 Grackaroni wrote: He explains that more fully here: Which I think is actually correct logic. You're defending rayn's logic of calling you town at eod as an example of why he called you town at the start of the day with 0 posts? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
On June 13 2018 00:39 kitaman27 wrote: Now on to Mocsta... He starts off the game accusing me of being mafia for my joke post about KSC because I'm putting in too much effort. I don't care about this 1) KSC's post was made pre-game and obviously can't be interpreted as alignment indicative 2) I clearly wasn't trying to argue that KSC was mafia by poking fun at his busy comment 3) In what world do I think I'm going to earn myself town cred as mafia but throwing together a bunch of quotes. Who here looked at that post as thought "wow look at that! kita really is try harding this game. Town leader material for sure"? Again I don't care about this. I don't think any of this makes either of you two more likely mafia. Mocsta also has a point (that he made earlier) that he dropped this point on you a while ago because he only viewed it as worthy of a beginning of game read I called him out for the forced read and then he immediately spins it back to me. It's pretty clear that he's already made up his mind that I'm mafia at this point. His explanation about how mafia know more info day 1 isn't relevant in the slightest to the fact that he is suspicious of my joke post. And from his perspective he called you out and you immediately spun the accusation back at him The fact that rayn instantly town reads mocsta is what creeps me out even more. No way a town rayn takes a look at mocsta's try hard KSC post argument and finds it valid. He conveniently never actually comments on that, rather than instantly shooting it down the bad logic like HF. I think this is the comment you meant? On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree on the points on Koshi and Mocsta, i jut don't think the points make either of them mafia. I don't see anything wrong with Rayn's post here. Perhaps Mocsta actually thought that you taking the time to string together your early game post was scummy rather than pretend that he thought it was scummy as a way to contribute? Then he follows up his attack on me by calling the way I treated rayn as scummy. However he ignores that argument that's being made. This post seems as if he views my vote on rayn as an early game feeler vote to get a reaction from rayn, but why would he take this perspective if Mocsta thinks I'm mafia? If I'm mafia then vote intensity seems irrelevant since I'm trying to push the mislynch. Furthermore, he ignores the rayn town read on grack as part of my case and focuses only on the Palmar stuff, while ignoring the way rayn goes about it. The point against Rayn town reads is fine for a point against Rayn but I don't think it needs to stretch towards Mocsta. Why regardless? Isn't that relevant? What are you trying to argue here? That me and grack conspired to keep rayn alive? rayn reached majority first so he was getting lynched at the time of the iamp vote, which means we had to anticipate the fuba vote, and then have grack ready for the failed hammer in an effort to get one townie lynched over another townie? That all seems so convoluted that I'm really struggling that think that you actually believe it as a scenario rather than just throwing out random stuff as an attempt to make it seem like you're trying to figure things out. I don't know what this is from him. Mostly I think that you/Rayn/Mocsta are flooding out the game with fights that nobody else has any interest in. But there are some specific posts I like from Mocsta and I think he is quite unlikely to be mafia. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 13 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: Sure, his eod points make sense. His early day points don't exist and if they do they're wildly exaggerated or tmi. On June 10 2018 08:52 Holyflare wrote: vote in vote thread Your turn. Gotta run, but I'll look over your response tonight grack. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote: What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish.Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening. I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster. Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine. I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance. What is it... | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 12 2018 23:31 Grackaroni wrote: I am seeing the light.Mocsta Rayn HF In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game. I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote: right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone. you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't. what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote. we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone. GTFO. the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote: #208 regarding me is highly superficial i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it. how have I misconstrued anything? for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes. secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality. The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target. Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want. The facts remain. You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content. You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn. You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn. There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy. #207 is outright stupid. Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP. I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote: #213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it. like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker. Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker? in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on. Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction. i suspect im not far off the mark though. I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels. Voting Koshi. I note that Koshi avoided giving me a read on Kitaman too. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 12 2018 23:40 kitaman27 wrote: I believe the Day4 post was a joke in spite.. about how ppl say, we will save HF to the end, and then as mafia he convinces you to vote town.... self-fulfilling prophecy.Part of rayn's scum read on Palmar is that Palmar had a mafia read on rayn, but wanted to put it off for a later date. Now rayn has a "100% mafia" read on HF and tells us to lynch him day 4?! How isn't that blatantly scummy? People that are defending rayn are focusing too much on whether or not rayn had a valid reason for thinking Palmar was mafia. Palmar's play sucked. It's whatever. That's not what makes rayn look so bad in my opinion. It's the way he waited to go hard against Palmar until later and the way all his views on players in this game are based on whether they town or mafia read him. 1) Palmar scum reads rayn but doesn't want to deal with it during the weekend 2) rayn calls the read in-genuine but leaves it at that 3) Several players including Palmar vote rayn making him the top vote candidate. 4) Palmar is 100% mafia and votes him 5) rayn attacks kita for his vote 6) casts suspicion onto iamp for his vote 7) rayn buddies up to the individuals who are on his side of the wagon 8) rayn survives the lynch 9) Kita is 100% mafia and votes him 10) HF is now 100% mafia and votes him too after a very leading question about "why is he alive" and having the chance to engage him in the thread. Wants to vote for HF day 4 though so why isn't he still pushing kita as the main lynch? He seems more interesting in attacking whoever is directly opposing him at the time. Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case? I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy? Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read. This is another summary list post blown out like a hot air balloon. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote: Take back comment b4.Kita tries hard but I like it This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn Didnt see this. What makes you say he is trying hard? all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where... | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 13 2018 04:09 kitaman27 wrote: Not valid. Grack actually did a pretty decent job of disputing.Do you find my posts on rayn and mocsta convincing or do you not feel that the arguments are valid? I think you are also misrepresenting the vote intensity stuff.. even if you are pushing a mislynch, mafia dip the toes in all the time before jumping in the pool - thus its equally, if not more, applicable. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 13 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: I think we can all agree to that.Sure, his eod points make sense. His early day points don't exist and if they do they're wildly exaggerated or tmi. So the question then becomes, is mafia more likely to have a bad start and snowball . Or is town more likely to have a bad start and snowball. I think option #2 is more likely, especially, as rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style. Can we move on please. Lynches for today should be kitaman, koshi and possibly fuba subject to me checking out a mafia game of his (as I that link grack sent is showing a marked difference in play) | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote: What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish. What is it... I lean town on him if it wasn't clear. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing. what does genuine have to do with town? what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote: Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case? I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy? It's the way it goes from 1-line post about Palmar's read being in-genuine to suddenly being 100% absolutely no doubt, I'm never changing my vote, full blown mafia. I wouldn't even consider that the clutch part of the case. The way his reads form on other players is just as bad. He goes full steam ahead against me after I voted him and asked him to explain a comment, as if I was completely incapable of thinking someone was mafia very early in the game yet wanting more information to understand his thought process. Instead, he represents me as having no interest in what he has to say. I think it was a completely reasonable question, especially considering he has 4 one liner posts total before that. Then the interaction with HF where he dramatically announces that he "caught HF" as if he discovered some giant scum slip just seems so over emphasized to be legit. On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote: Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read. I'll concede that point, but it's not just 1-2 instances in this case. Basically his reads line up 100% with peoples viewpoint on him. Palmar votes rayn -> Palmar is mafia kita votes rayn -> kita is mafia iamp votes rayn -> iamp is mafia koshi shares that he would have voted rayn -> koshi is mafia HF attacks rayn -> HF is mafia Meanwhile guys like you, grack, rels, superbia who are leaving him alone he's totally fine with. I think the way that he lashes out at the people who attack him is scummy in this instance because he already has a block of 4 players voting against him and scum reading a player outside the remaining pool is a real risk from his perspective. There's just too many examples this game where that happens. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 13 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote: thats my case in point. admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing. what does genuine have to do with town? what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral. On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote: err uhh... Yeah that one's on me. On June 11 2018 08:48 Grackaroni wrote: lol idk what to say I bungled it. These in particular I found town sounding. From my experience mafia players typically try to justify their mistakes as if they had a valid reason for being responsible for a scummy looking action. While I completely disagree with his town reads on you and rayn, don't think he really misrepresented my case too badly, I just think he's mostly wrong. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 13 2018 07:29 Mocsta wrote: rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style. What? He's been a non-factor this cycle. The only the he even mentions me is "kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it?". Then he catches HF but has done not much at all to get him lynched. | ||
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