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On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc
Really does almost nothing
Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made
Yawn
You sir are getting me confused with this guy
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On June 12 2018 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch him on D4 when hr is not dead.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare
Lol lynch him d4 but vote him now
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Koshi 316/417
Real bad
Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia.
Blatantly hiding behind others reads.
I would like to know if koshi read on kitaman
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kitaman27
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Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.
I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.
Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.
I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance.
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Mocsta
Rayn
HF
In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game.
I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.
you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.
we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.
the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.
how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.
secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.
Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.
There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.
#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
#213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it.
like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker.
Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker?
in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on.
Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction.
i suspect im not far off the mark though.
On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc
Really does almost nothing
On June 12 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made
Yawn
I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels.
Voting Koshi.
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kitaman27
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Part of rayn's scum read on Palmar is that Palmar had a mafia read on rayn, but wanted to put it off for a later date. Now rayn has a "100% mafia" read on HF and tells us to lynch him day 4?! How isn't that blatantly scummy?
People that are defending rayn are focusing too much on whether or not rayn had a valid reason for thinking Palmar was mafia. Palmar's play sucked. It's whatever. That's not what makes rayn look so bad in my opinion. It's the way he waited to go hard against Palmar until later and the way all his views on players in this game are based on whether they town or mafia read him.
1) Palmar scum reads rayn but doesn't want to deal with it during the weekend
2) rayn calls the read in-genuine but leaves it at that
3) Several players including Palmar vote rayn making him the top vote candidate.
4) Palmar is 100% mafia and votes him
5) rayn attacks kita for his vote
6) casts suspicion onto iamp for his vote
7) rayn buddies up to the individuals who are on his side of the wagon
8) rayn survives the lynch
9) Kita is 100% mafia and votes him
10) HF is now 100% mafia and votes him too after a very leading question about "why is he alive" and having the chance to engage him in the thread. Wants to vote for HF day 4 though so why isn't he still pushing kita as the main lynch?
He seems more interesting in attacking whoever is directly opposing him at the time.
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kitaman27
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On June 10 2018 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Screw it i don't really think Grackaroni is mafia either.
Everyone look back at the way rayn casually throws a town read on grack and tell me it it looks legitimate to you guys.
Here is the entirety of grack's filter at the time of the post.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Never fear old chums -- GRACKARONI is on the HUNT.
None can evade the penetrating gaze of my frothing noodles. On June 09 2018 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Man of 27 kitas, could you send me a banana?
I am all out of bananas. I have heard that you have the bananas.
Two throw away posts and then one more.
On June 10 2018 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2018 03:22 Superbia wrote:this game seems to be going p well, carry on  iap mocsta rayn? Yes indeed Superbia Palmar RELS??
A scum list of 3 players.
Now he obviously agrees with the Palmar read, but how about the other two?
On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I like Superbia and Kelsier the most so far
Well Rels hasn't entered the game yet and Superbia is his strongest town read! So why is grack suddenly town for a list post where he agrees with 1/3 names on the list? Why isn't he questioning grack about the superbia read considering he doesn't see any evidence to support it?
rayn suddenly having an epiphany with a town read on grack just seems so out of place at this point.
Then when I directly confront him about it, he twists it around on me without an explanation as if I'm the one that is looking scummy for finding the inconsistency. He doesn't bother trying to justify the read because he knows he can't and someone picked up on it so he goes full offense.
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On June 12 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi 316/417
Real bad
Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia.
I am sure I didnt do this on purpose
But it is good to know that my townread has the same feels like I do
TW is town for his aggressive idgaf attitude while conversing
But it was with you that is true
Iphone does not have a point on its first screen
So plebs
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Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
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Actually I think Fuba is likely mafia.
Last game his posts are really bland without any attitude whatsoever. He basically just likes to give an update of who he is suspecting throughout the day. It seems like he's trying to add more flair to his posts this game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=fuba
This post in particular bothers me when compared to his filter last game since it seems uncharacteristically nonchalant.
On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.
The only person I like so far is Fuba. I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it. I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird. And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing. I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once. Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*
Also I don't like that he was joking around with people at the start of the game after reading that last filter. His attitude seems very different.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Now on to Mocsta...
On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes
BiG job right thurr.. and for what???
On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?
Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play.
He starts off the game accusing me of being mafia for my joke post about KSC because I'm putting in too much effort.
1) KSC's post was made pre-game and obviously can't be interpreted as alignment indicative
2) I clearly wasn't trying to argue that KSC was mafia by poking fun at his busy comment
3) In what world do I think I'm going to earn myself town cred as mafia but throwing together a bunch of quotes. Who here looked at that post as thought "wow look at that! kita really is try harding this game. Town leader material for sure"?
On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.
I called him out for the forced read and then he immediately spins it back to me. It's pretty clear that he's already made up his mind that I'm mafia at this point. His explanation about how mafia know more info day 1 isn't relevant in the slightest to the fact that he is suspicious of my joke post.
The fact that rayn instantly town reads mocsta is what creeps me out even more. No way a town rayn takes a look at mocsta's try hard KSC post argument and finds it valid. He conveniently never actually comments on that, rather than instantly shooting it down the bad logic like HF.
On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you.
Then he follows up his attack on me by calling the way I treated rayn as scummy. However he ignores that argument that's being made. This post seems as if he views my vote on rayn as an early game feeler vote to get a reaction from rayn, but why would he take this perspective if Mocsta thinks I'm mafia? If I'm mafia then vote intensity seems irrelevant since I'm trying to push the mislynch. Furthermore, he ignores the rayn town read on grack as part of my case and focuses only on the Palmar stuff, while ignoring the way rayn goes about it.
On June 12 2018 15:03 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of fuba/grack being the same timestamp, grack 90% sealed rayn fate when he voted iamp.
kita/grack/?iamp? as a 3-way?
Why regardless? Isn't that relevant? What are you trying to argue here?
That me and grack conspired to keep rayn alive? rayn reached majority first so he was getting lynched at the time of the iamp vote, which means we had to anticipate the fuba vote, and then have grack ready for the failed hammer in an effort to get one townie lynched over another townie? That all seems so convoluted that I'm really struggling that think that you actually believe it as a scenario rather than just throwing out random stuff as an attempt to make it seem like you're trying to figure things out.
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On June 12 2018 11:30 Tubesock wrote:
For anyone who’s played more with Grack:
I think of Grack as a player who normally doesn’t really care what the rest of the players think about him. I’ve been in and seen him in games go completely against the tide and not care at all if people scum read him. Fearless.
I think him worrying about how his vote would look right after a “It’s SHENANNY time!” Post is very strange.
Am I wrong? (Not to mention why he wouldn’t just kill rayn because it seemed he wanted him dead more so than Palmar)
There are many MOODS of the Grackaroni:
Petty Grack
Angry Grack
Grack having fun
Bored Grack
OMGUS Grack.
Stealthy Grack.
I think the one last night most aligns with Clueless Grack.
That Grack is a good Grack. Scum Grack thinks before doings things. Town Grack is derpy.
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Day 2 Vote Count
iamperfection [2]: iamperfection, Tubesock
Holyflare [2]: Holyflare, raynpelikoneet
fuba [2]: fuba, Grackaroni
kitaman27 [1]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet [1]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
KelsierSC [1]: KelsierSC
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [1]: Grackaroni, Koshi
iamperfection is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.
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kitaman27
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On June 13 2018 03:55 kitaman27 wrote:
...anyone?
GRACK
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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Do you find my posts on rayn and mocsta convincing or do you not feel that the arguments are valid?
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I don't agree with what you wrote about Mocsta.
I'm taking another look at Rayn.
Maybe.
I think a case could be made that he's giving out town reads early on to try to buddy people. I don't know why he says he likes Superbia/Kelsier in his first post.
There were things I liked from him later on though so I'll respond more in a minute.
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He actually does give a sensible answer to the point above:
On June 10 2018 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think Kelsier and Superbia are trying to look like they are playing, they are just doing their own stuff. Basically i don't think they have teammates.
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that's the most bull shit point I've ever heard though?
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