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On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: is that purely by association with kita?yes | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. | ||
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fuba
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Still think rayn town. Kita prob town, but I can't remember playing with them before. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On June 12 2018 14:31 fuba wrote: Idk, HF is playing way different this game than last game - though I guess he doesn't have the impetus of an inevitable scummate lynch, so the situation might be different. And I didn't notice him being any different last game until d2/d3. Still think rayn town. Kita prob town, but I can't remember playing with them before. Holyflare did absolutely nothing after D1 in the last game aside from the okay Koshi case. The most damning thing after D1 was him letting the LS lynch go uncontested (when the guy was confirmed town for him). kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it? | ||
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Mocsta
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On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are writing very clear, but i am having trouble following the thought process.no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. I concluded before that grack may have tried to hammer you. Him and fuba had identical timestamps. so it was happenstance that palmar was lynched. HF either ignores this or was not aware of it in his beat-down of grack. But, i dont understand how that assists with gaining your trust? i can only muster 3 reasons for his odd EoD play. 1 = townie-ish. On the basis of being a stronger town lean, save palmar (via voting rayn) 2 = scummy-ish. Avoid a dead vote on someone with no substantiation. 3 = neutral. Genuinely wanted shennanies. I dont think the post-reaction supports #3 at all. | ||
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fuba
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On June 12 2018 14:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare did absolutely nothing after D1 in the last game aside from the okay Koshi case. The most damning thing after D1 was him letting the LS lynch go uncontested (when the guy was confirmed town for him). kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it? I will do so in a few hours after work~ Like, I've read everything but I haven't *read* everything. I'll give critical thinking a try. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Like umm.. what i said before is best explained by maybe this: Holyflare shouted ,right after the lynch that fuba, grackaroni, and mocsta are mafia. All those people defended me or at least voted for Palmar straight or indirectly contributed to his lynch over mine. HF claims "it's not a point of you dfefended rayn" and "i am not making a call on your alignment based on rayn's", but when you actually go and ask yourself; "if rayn is town why does mafia![insert any of the names here] do what they did?" you are never going to find an answer more likely than that they are just town. never. HF just cuts corners and can be very persuasive. It is sometimes the curse of his town game, when he is wrong, but it is also why he is so good as mafia. It is hard to tell, but it's okay, i am quite sure i can tell his alignment confidently by the end of this phase. Doesn't matter to me if i am lynched or not.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On June 12 2018 14:34 Mocsta wrote: you are writing very clear, but i am having trouble following the thought process. I concluded before that grack may have tried to hammer you. Him and fuba had identical timestamps. so it was happenstance that palmar was lynched. HF either ignores this or was not aware of it in his beat-down of grack. But, i dont understand how that assists with gaining your trust? i can only muster 3 reasons for his odd EoD play. 1 = townie-ish. On the basis of being a stronger town lean, save palmar (via voting rayn) 2 = scummy-ish. Avoid a dead vote on someone with no substantiation. 3 = neutral. Genuinely wanted shennanies. I dont think the post-reaction supports #3 at all. I don't really care when he voted for me. I care about the fact that he unvoted and voted for iamperfection because that already includes him having some sort of thought process at the time. Like if he is mafia at this time he doesn't wanna be on my mislynch which is clearly retarded line of thought since if he had just voted for me or kept his vote on me or whatever noone would have blamed him for that. What grackaroni did not only opened the situation up for someone (in this case it was fuba) to save me, and ALSO he looks terrible after the lynch where ever his vote is by the end of the day. It jsut doesn't make any sense for him to act like he did when he could just have simply voted for me, gained a better result result wise, and gained a better result in town cred wise. | ||
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Mocsta
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Rayn and Palmer were 4-4, with Rayn to be lynched due to receiving 4 first. Grackeroni doesn't take a stance on either mislynch, instead voting iamperfection. This is technically Grack first vote, as the self-vote was mod-imposed to indicate he had not voted yet. Kita IIRC is the one that highlights to Grack that he is leaving a hammer to someone else, of which then both Fuba/Grack attempt to hammer Rayn + Palmar, with fuba/palmar securing first. I think this is relevant because if your read on Grack is not influenced by Kita, then, your interpretation is jumbled (i.e. Grack did not "keep" his vote on you, it was never on you prior). Like you can equally read taht Grack wanted to park his vote nowhere (i.e. iamp), and only took a stance when pressured by Kita. Actually come to think of it, Grack comments he would rather lynch rayn, which is convenient as rayn was the vote leader. I get HF point now. Regardless of fuba/grack being the same timestamp, grack 90% sealed rayn fate when he voted iamp. kita/grack/?iamp? as a 3-way? | ||
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On June 12 2018 15:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF laser focus has been rayn + those opposed to rayn.note to self; after work go and see how holyflare treats his scumbuddies when he doesn't "have to" do anything regarding them. I noticed the only people holyflare never talks in any way about are kitaman and iamperfection, i find that weird especially towards iamperfection who is just a trashcan and that's not really his reputation as town. He has had limited to nil comments also relating to rels / slender / tubesockm and you can also throw in KSC. | ||
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tubesock and slendy are non-factors here since they have posted a total amount of zero since hf's last post. | ||
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