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On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.
Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.
I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_
Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch.
And side note trying to read n00bking filter is obonoxious as hell. I’ve never quite seen somebody consantly feel the need to use 20 words when 2 would suffice. Loves to bash TL mafia and toot his own horn like he’s the second coming in TL mafia, but isn’t really helping anybody. Its very hard to be objective towards him with this attitude. And any good player would know that constantly filling the thread with your own ego is more of a distraction to town than it is helping them.
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On April 10 2018 02:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:03 Skynx wrote:Hi, I'm at page 16 right now. On April 09 2018 06:58 Tubesock wrote:
Skynx, I feel like your case on GB and Rayn was 1/2 trolly 1/2 real. Rayne answered you, and you seem appeased. Are you townreading him? Have your thoughts on GB changed at all?
I’m comfortable townreading Rayne and GB.
Calix I don’t know about. I didn’t agree with any of the Rayne criticism and they seemed a tad nit picky. It reminded me of noobking in my last game (noob was scum). But I do like the activity and she seems to be looking at everything. I thought my case was fine at the time it was posted (4-5 pages of content). It's a bit late but rayn and GB can be town for now yes, as they seem to be picked up the game. Really? Somehow your conclusions go the opposite of mine as GB to me looked townier earlier than what he does now that he's gone full lazy mode. But it'd be good if you could catch up and deliver your guess. Sidenote: N00bking still only talking about ES claim.
I explained it badly. GB (and rayn) look towny around p16-17, after i went away. It's a bit late because a lot may have happened since then.
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I'm kinda lost here, I might just sheep Oats or ES.
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On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way?
He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it
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On April 10 2018 02:41 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.
Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.
I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_ Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch. And side note trying to read n00bking filter is obonoxious as hell. I’ve never quite seen somebody consantly feel the need to use 20 words when 2 would suffice. Loves to bash TL mafia and toot his own horn like he’s the second coming in TL mafia, but isn’t really helping anybody. Its very hard to be objective towards him with this attitude. And any good player would know that constantly filling the thread with your own ego is more of a distraction to town than it is helping them.
Dunno about rayn but I think you're mafia skirting by. Your reads are safe (e.g., scum-reading Damdred), you don't seem to be doing a lot, and the only read I really remember from you is you insisting Vivax is town. Well, not even that. You have this to say about him:
mixed feelings on Vivax, and low post count doesn’t
help, but his thoughts on Calix and the reaction he had when Calix responded feel townie to me
And you also have a couple posts where you say he 'seems townie' or 'doesn't give me scum vibes'. It's one of the few things you've 'pushed' (for lack of a better word) in the thread and I am not sure why since you haven't explained your read well.
I also didn't like that post you made where you tried to break up the Vivax/ Calix thing when it wasn't a fight. Felt out of place.
This isn't really a case because it's mostly what you're 'not' doing that concerns me (not making waves, not trying to find scum) more than what you are doing.
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I'll read a couple more times, I'll unvote GB for now.
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On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time.
You need to play more games then. Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue so it's actually insanely terrible for that to happen as town gets no mafia from it and loses a future confirmed town.
Why would mafia eversince do that?
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On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it
I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this.
Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all?
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On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.
Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch
Go away unless you read.
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On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all?
That's gonna be a no from me.
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On April 10 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.
Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch Go away unless you read.
Hey HF how's it going, wanna calix
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On April 10 2018 02:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:41 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.
Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.
I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_ Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch. Dunno about rayn but I think you're mafia skirting by.
Well I know about rayn. Post #431 contains his original dislike for Exo, plus some extra sentences (though most of them are just saying the same things over again).
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On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me.
You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions.
Don't think I believe you.
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Day 1 Vote count
remaining
Vivax (3): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear
Eversince (0): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_
Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster, Damdred
Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless
GlowingBear (0): Skynx
n00bking (2): Vivax, Eversince, ExO_
Skynx (3): Tubesock, Glowingbear, Vivax
ExO_ (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): Calix
Not Voting (1):
Skynx
Currently Vivax is set to be lynched.
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On April 10 2018 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.
Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch Go away unless you read. Hey HF how's it going, wanna calix
Absolutely not. She's my biggest town read tbh.
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On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you.
You said changed my read which is no.
I'm convinced you are scum, I think that's pretty obvious
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On April 10 2018 02:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.
Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.
I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_ I expected more from you really. Can exo really be the only lynch you can come up with?
No. But the best one. I dont have the luxury of playing properly at work.
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On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time. You need to play more games then.
*spit-take*
On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue
"uncced" means zero in this game. Mafia has no fear of a counterclaim. And in games with role duplication, uncountered claims DO get lynched (and should). You either "need to play more games" using those rules, or maybe just need to play in stronger fields of players.
On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why would mafia eversince do that?
Do what?
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On April 10 2018 03:08 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time. You need to play more games then. *spit-take* Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue "uncced" means zero in this game. Mafia has no fear of a counterclaim. And in games with role duplication, uncountered claims DO get lynched (and should). You either "need to play more games" using those rules, or maybe just need to play in stronger fields of players. Do what?
The only games with dupe roles have been not normal and 2 gunsmiths is a terrible setup.
Do the thing where she acts super suspicious about her vote on you
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