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On April 09 2018 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
Calix posted accusations and followed up with a case and votes. The accusations get a rebuttal which ensures hesitancy on Calix's part and then what is she supposed to do then?
Are you not reading the thread GB?
Calix is a woman?
I am. I just expected that she wouldn't drop the scumread before reevaluating. But I might be tunneled. I'll step back. Realizing that she voted rayn debunks my argument.
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On April 09 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"???
If he says that every game, as both alignments, it doesn't make it alignment indicative. I can see him re-reading his post and realizing it was bad wording. Why not?
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Skynx, I feel like your case on GB and Rayn was 1/2 trolly 1/2 real. Rayne answered you, and you seem appeased. Are you townreading him? Have your thoughts on GB changed at all?
I’m comfortable townreading Rayne and GB.
Calix I don’t know about. I didn’t agree with any of the Rayne criticism and they seemed a tad nit picky. It reminded me of noobking in my last game (noob was scum). But I do like the activity and she seems to be looking at everything.
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On April 09 2018 06:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"??? If he says that every game, as both alignments, it doesn't make it alignment indicative. I can see him re-reading his post and realizing it was bad wording. Why not?
Yes, that is my point. He says it in every game because it's not bad logic. He did not apply it in this game to Calix though. He calls her mafia despite admitting she could believe those points.
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I don’t get it. Doesn’t that assume Rayne thinks he is a perfect communicator? And that he’s 100% firm on Calix’ alignment?
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Hey guys just giving you a quick update — friend needs to go to the med center here in houston, and Ill be house sitting for a few days while she’s there. This shouldn’t affect my activity after today but im basically gone for the rest of the day.
Nothing life threatening hopefully so no need to worry. Apologies guys, see you tomorrow
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HF, in the wall of text you didn’t read he kinda does say it:
On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.
So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum.
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On April 09 2018 07:46 Tubesock wrote:HF, in the wall of text you didn’t read he kinda does say it: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.
So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum.
K thanks. I'll ponder upon this.
##vote currentlyhomeless
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On April 09 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 07:46 Tubesock wrote:HF, in the wall of text you didn’t read he kinda does say it: On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.
So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum. K thanks. I'll ponder upon this. ##vote currentlyhomeless
hoho
I can’t believe it actually worked!
hahahahahahahaahahaahahaahahahahaaha
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good morning HF 
threatened by an “RNG vote”, are we?
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but...what’s this? no actual vote in the voting thread, HF?
too scared to put your money where your mouth is?
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On April 08 2018 18:53 Calix wrote:
If you don't think there's such a thing as too scummy to be scum then yeah, I'd like to know why you think Vivax's dumb post is "town dumb" then.
A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from.
And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response?
Yeah, I don't believe you.
##vote raynpelikoneet
where did this come from?!?
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On April 08 2018 20:35 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 18:34 Calix wrote:
I don't believe that posting every thought I have about people is the most productive approach even in the early game. To use your own quote, there isn’t much point in me “doing” anything (whatever that means, posting stupid one liners?) especially this early. With that said, ##vote Holyflare![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/fSaMjic_d.jpg)
WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS
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On April 08 2018 21:52 Skynx wrote:Wassup guys? I caught two scum. - GlowingBear
This is different than what Vivax picked up on, look at the timestamps here:
On April 08 2018 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
My god this is a slow start.
It's saturday night, people!
It's not like we're sociable people pursuing sex.
Are we?
On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
Buh-bye!
15 mins between "I'm super excited let's play!" and "k i'm going out". And then'
On April 08 2018 12:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
Buh-bye!
Sent from my Android. ROFL
5:40 til he comes back. Whichever way you look at it it's not plausible. I can imagine scum motivations of doing this but let's not theorycrraft here. Point is there is just a chain of lies here which you really don't need if you're town.
- raynpelikoneet
On April 08 2018 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the time difference in #118 and #121? Cant see that on phone.
He (appears as) thinks he possibly caught something here. Then completely abandons it. That just doesn't add up. What town!rayn does here is:
1) Quote the posts to look at timestamp difference.
2) If he really didn't learn that in i dunno how many years in tl mafia, ask someone else again to check it.
3) If what he inquires turns out to be nothing, he'd be like "ok ignore this guys i though i saw something"
I remember that one game (town!rayn) I said something in the thread that didn't really mean what i meant and he just didn't let it go for 2 straight day cycles. I also noticed in classic mafia (mafia!rayn) he was so laid back and non-inquisitive, kinda leaving ties loose as in here.
On April 08 2018 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Homelessperson are you from the same forum noobking is?
Kinda contemplates the above. What is the point of this question? How exactly does an information that homeless is or is not from the same forum as noobking helps him or town playing this game or make a read on him??
I think this is scum rayn just throwing random questions out there that has nothing to do with anything other than to look town and to appear scumhunting i guess..
rayn is already under fire and has much to answer to so I'll vote GB.
actually terrible
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On April 08 2018 22:56 Calix wrote:
Skynx can go into the townpile. Seems inquisitive and observant, shows a willingness to change his opinions based on new evidence, and doesn't seem to have any preconceived conclusions with his posts. Would not lynch today.
HE POSTED LIKE 3 POSTS??!?
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On April 09 2018 02:09 Calix wrote:Fair play. I can admit that my accusation post was a bit OTT. I was just like "WOO FOUND MAFIA" and wasn't thinking  Anyway, the tl;dr of what I was going to say about your wall-post is that I wasn't meaning to 'accuse' GB when I asked him that question. It was just something I found, thought "hey this might be interesting" and posted it because why not, it's the early game. It's not that deep, basically. Vivax was more of an accusation post but not 100% because I wanted clarification first. Dunno, I think the problem here is that you misread my intentions as being more...aggressive? than I intended them to be. And then you think I am scummy because I don't go about doing...whatever it is you think I should be doing. Hard to explain. This doesn't really touch on a lot of what you wrote since, as said, I haven't properly read your post and absorbed it, but you can ask me questions to clarify things I haven't talked about in the meantime. You seem to have more free time now. Also me being a raging hypocrite isn't AI.
this is where the backpedal starts
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On April 09 2018 02:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....
If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me? I'm aware you have used the 'no right answers' read in the past but that wasn't my intent. All I can really say there. My argument for you being mafia was that you kept calling me things that made me mafia but hadn't really 'committed' yourself to that read which I thought was suspicious. Since a vote would have shown some commitment to the read, I talked about that as an example of 'not showing commitment'. Since you have now cased me, this argument is no longer applicable. I did notice HF not voting for you after calling you "mafia rayn". I just don't have a strong opinion on it other than "that's weird, I'll make a note of that for later" because he hasn't done anything else whereas you had the multiple posts calling me mafia.
mm backpedal going strong
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On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself  For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be.
backpedal successful and complete
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On April 09 2018 05:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:59 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 04:52 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. Dude lol calm down. It is a scum-trait to easily call people town and not really comitting to a lynch in the early game. It's not just my opinion. Anyone who has played a lot as mafia knows that calling town people town is a safe play while looking contributive. It's weak, but it is what it is. It's impossible to have a strong scumread when we have less than 20 pages in 24 hours. I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is. Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx? 3. Oatsmaster 6. Eversince 7. currentlyhomeless 12. Vivax Good question. Other than Skynx and even you, I'd lynch Oats, Vivax, Eversince, currentlyhomeless. Oats because OMGUS Vivax because if I remember correctly, Vivax is a intense poster as town, and a lacking one as scum. Eversince because well, I just remember talking to her and nothing else. currentlyhomeless because my god just play the game instead of shitting on everything people post. That's it for now.
i feel maligned that im on top of this list even though this list is actually terrible
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no effort hf is my favorite hf
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