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On March 20 2018 09:18 Koshi wrote: ##vote Palmar Got to start on my tunnel early. scum claim. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:00 Tictock wrote: Please insert Alignment Indicative opening here. Thanks. scummy | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:05 Mocsta wrote: FILTER STARTS HERE +1 This made me laugh (almost out loud). Moosey annoying me already. 20 people is already a lot of filter to have to go through, let alone this spam. No further thoughts worth sharing. Post 1 / 7 I'm suspicious of this. Ticktock's post isn't funny at all. It's not even a smile or a chuckle worthy, it actually put me in a worse mood, but only slightly. | ||
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a) calling out mocsta's laugh post b) being sassy with HF | ||
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HF: why is noobking mafia? | ||
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On March 20 2018 19:19 ExO_ wrote: I agree with this, except I swear Koshi does shit like this every game I play with him and seems more hostile when he’s town The only thing koshi does every game is tunnel me into oblivion because he's not great at the whole bigger picture thing. | ||
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Like the posts you just quoted could be posted as either alignment, and his motivation to post may both be that he wants to get something on the record (mafia) or that he just wants to establish his roleplay (no alignment information). Given that he has chosen to go with a roleplay, he may act like scum in the sense that he's posting just to post, because he's trying to show off his persona. So yeah, I don't know what he is and I don't particularly care. If all the non-posters wake up and partake he's an excellent vigilante shot, but I have no real interest in trying to build a case on someone who's deliberately being difficult to read. | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Last game where noobking was mafia he just focused on "scum reading" me in an attempt to shit up the thread and cause confusion instead of calling people town or mafia and giving reasons. His play style as mafia (from a one game meta) was to ONLY point out logical fallacies and never actually scum hunt or see why people would make those mistakes. Much the same here, noobking is far more concerned with arguing semantics and trivial details and when he has put a vote down on someone it is unexplained and sheeping a bad koshi post potentially (who knows if he doesn't ever explain?). He was called out on this and instead of giving his view, explaining where he was coming from and trying to determine people's alignments he was content to shit on really minor wording about the word vote. When I said that someone is scummy for calling me not blue and explaining the thought process he was more concerned defending why that person is town using, again, semantics rather than trying to look at a bigger picture. Tl;dr Concerned with logical fallacies and arguing rather than scum hunting. Like his last mafia game. Trying to prove someone town by arguing semantics rather than scum hunting. Sheeping koshi's read and not explaining anything other than arguing semantics. why did you quote that post to respond? I don't remember playing with noobking (I probably have, but he doesn't really stand out much) Can you provide links to example posts of him acting in a similar manner? Doesn't have to be exactly the same at all, just some vague similarity is enough so I know you're not just full of shit. Like you're not wrong, what he did is mostly complaining about the methods by which players have reached a conclusion. But that in itself is probably more likely to come from town than mafia. I read that argument between you/him/ticktock regarding exo calling you "not blue". The point is he's not incorrect that it says literally nothing about Exo's alignment. In fact, why do you believe this is true? "When I said that someone is scummy for calling me not blue" Also wait a minute, I think I may have gotten something confused. | ||
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1) Exo claims hf is "not blue" 2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read) 3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant) This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf: On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote: [red]Not really true.[red] Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else? what am I missing? | ||
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Aka, Exo might very well be mafia, but that read is at best a mistake then, it's not some kind of a slam dunk case that he must be. Townies are more prone to do stupid shit than mafia. Like I don't hate ticktock's vote, i'm fine with some pressure on Exo | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote: Palmar. It's confusing. I think HF disagrees with NK's point that exo's read helps mafia if exo is town. Hf makes the point that it doesn't help mafia AT ALL. I assume the good scum read is about the read of exo being scum for fake scum hunting. I thought the "good scum read" was sarcasm | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:39 ExO_ wrote: ......At the time I made the read, HF hadn't made a single post of more than a sentence. Thus I thought she probably couldn't care less about furthering the discussion therefore she was likely scum, or vanilla town annoyed she doesn't have a role. I wasn't saying this based off a deep understanding of Holy Flare, but in a more general sense. I do know that I've played a few games with HF and she seemed more active in pushing town than she did thus far in this game when I posted that. That has sense changed, but at the time I posted I felt like HF had to be either VT or scum Thus I thought she ^^ ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/1Nf4edc.png) | ||
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However, it's also true that bluehunting is just as much bullshit if he's mafia and town, so it's not really alignment indicative that he did it. Also, no one is nitpicking into the Exo thing, this is about HF/noobking. Pay attention if you're gonna comment. | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:54 Holyflare wrote: Basically I minorly scum read exo for posting an irrelevant post. That's literally it and why I haven't pushed it further. I more scum read noobking for dragging out an absolutely small post for no reason other than to argue mafia's motivation and town reading exo. I'm gonna leave this be for now. I need more ticktock and noobking in my life here. | ||
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On March 20 2018 21:00 Mocsta wrote: Pay attention.. Multiple parties including you and hf have independently said exo is scummy if we're arguing attention, this is just flat out incorrect. But idk dropping this line for now. maybe re-read later to see who's commenting and not contributing. | ||
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On March 20 2018 21:08 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/531261-medic-mafia?user=n00bKing Filter if you care. Doesn't get overly semantic till about halfway through. Are you talking about that big case thing where he complains about you using the word "honesty"? I mean, it's not 1 to 1, but I also cba reading in detail through that filter, and I don't really believe much in meta. mocsta confirming it is mostly enough for me to know you're not just making things up. idk I'm downgrading noobking to null | ||
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On March 20 2018 23:31 Koshi wrote: Not trying to play like koshi is indeed a grave injustice to humanity. Alas not many people can achieve and sustain such a high state of brilliancy. Lynching them would therefore be somewhat brutal. Yet justified. We all need more Koshi in our lives. I guess that was terrible grammar on my part. I could use more koshi | ||
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Moosy should be shot | ||
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On March 21 2018 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Thanks captain obvious. Explain to me why the two people voting ksc are mafia | ||
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On March 22 2018 05:44 Rels wrote: can I have a special Palmar tone read on rsoul filter ? She called you mafia so that's a good thing | ||
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Don't care day 1 claimers are a good policy lynch. | ||
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No I'm a fan of it. I'm like 30 pages behind but I've read some stuff on my phone and such today and I think I recall you coming into the thread and calling me mafia, then calling her mafia, then assuming she was soft busing me or some utter complete bullshit. So no, I'm fine with her calling you mafia. | ||
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bring me a case that's worth reading. | ||
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Because not every host is a bastard host like I am it's like 90% chance that disfo is actually just veteran. The problem is that it's a completely pointless claim. It ONLY helps mafia for him to make that claim, because they can avoid shooting him forever. It's the most selfish claim you can make as town. Like the technically correct play here is to lynch disfo for being shit and dealing with it. Because he made the technically wrong play to claim in the first place. idk | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote: Good post. I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore. This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game. | ||
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I'm off till tomorrow | ||
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On March 22 2018 09:41 Tictock wrote: Skimmed through EoD and it looks like most people went pretty pants on head. I don’t even understand why Rels got lynched? All I saw was Rsoul shouting “lynch Rels” without mentioning whatever scummy thing he did that made her switch from her earlier “Rels is a bad D1 lynch” stance. I also noticed Noobking wasting his vote on a totally null slot that got replaced and take no stances on the other wagons. Apparently I have almost 40 pages to catch up on and I’m still pretty demoralized from my shit day/life. No promises. Scummy | ||
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On March 22 2018 09:58 Mocsta wrote: Holyflare What do you make of Disfo blue claim? I would have expected you to have queried this given your clear scum lean on Disfo. Even moreso when Palmar began to question the validity. At minimum, I expected you to consider/espouse that the scum QT told Disfo to claim vet. Instead, you tell me that Disfo is blue & and state I am fake claiming because I claimed vet as mafia in the past.... I didn't really question the validity of the claim. See there is a very large difference between playing correctly, and playing on gut, and there is a time and place for each one. If you make it to lylo, it's generally better to question everything and go with gut. Any mafia that makes it that far has probably not made any technical mistakes or he would be dead by then. You also have tons of voting and posting information to sort through. On day 1 on the other hand, you have limited information, and the lynch is at best a crapshoot. This is why day 1 is an excellent opportunity to lynch people who do objectively scummy or stupid stuff like claim on day 1 or afk through the day. At worst you're killing a useless/stupid townie, and at best you catch mafia who just fucked up. My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo. That doesn't make it the wrong play to lynch him. He fucked up and should be lynched, and of course there's very much a possibility he's just mafia fakeclaiming a vet. What we do know, is that if disfo is town he will now NEVER be shot by mafia. There is absolutely no way they'll shoot into a claimed, suspicious veteran. Which just makes his position even more stupid. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you could do something that would be great. Aside from your disformation vote and a post towards me you never even really followed up on i have no idea why i should read you town. I'm playing correctly, as I always do. I don't have the time to be town jesus, but maybe people should listen. But then again, people are stupid. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I tried "listening" until it became a moot point. But what does it matter if you now think disformation is town? that's what I was trying to explain. I always thought he was town, even when I voted him. But I can be wrong, and it was the mechanically correct play to just get rid of him. Like it's probably the mechanically correct play to kill coagulation tomorrow. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well not moot point but like until when the lynch was not going to happen 100% anymore. Yeah and so what? I was only barely there last night, and it's not like I had any better horse in the race. I do think darthfoley would have been a better lynch than rels because rels was just being stupid. darthfoley (as I mentioned on day 1) was being intentionally obtuse. But honestly, I was fine with rels dying because he called me mafia for bad reasons. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, rsoultin, Moosydoosy, Kelsier, darthfoley. didn't you vote darthfoley? am I misremembering? | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you (still) think Koshi is mafia? I don't think I ever thought koshi was mafia. I don't really care about koshi until he starts playing. I haven't noticed him playing much at all. He hasn't found any kind of a tunnel to get settled in to yet, so maybe it's fine, but maybe this is just weak scum koshi. I don't think he's a primary lynch candidate right now. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: dart'hfoley claimed cop and i have explained my read on Moosy so you can go look it up in my filter. Not saying he's gonna do anything that helps town but he is still town. moosey is a good vigi shot. | ||
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You agree that one of your top town reads is a good vigi shot. noted. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: You also wanted to lynch your townread so i guess we're in the same boat, now aren't we? No, you're just being dyslexic as usual. disformation is not a townread. I just think he's more likely to be town than scum. By default every player in the game is more likely to flip town than scum, so if I have no super strong scumreads (like build-a-case strong), my best shot is maybe 40-50% chance of flipping scum. disfo has that chance, and is a mechanically good lynch. He did, especially in the early game, sound like a forced carefree player. On March 20 2018 09:40 disformation wrote: halp. cant fall asleep. can anyone sing me a lullaby?  On March 20 2018 10:15 disformation wrote: im slighty confused. but its kay. prolly the jet lag. totally not related: hi koshi, do you also have trouble falling asleep? On March 20 2018 10:42 disformation wrote: dat conv ninja. nvm then. The tone, the stupid abbreviations all kinda fit "disfo is mafia". My one reservation is that he claimed vet so now everything is stupid. | ||
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On March 22 2018 06:17 Tictock wrote: I just got off a 9 hour shift with no breaks kus my place refuses to schedule enough people. Going to speak with my managers in a few kus I’m fed up with shit and am pretty close to quitting. So I am rather disctracted today and am unlikely to do anything related to this game till tonight. On March 22 2018 09:41 Tictock wrote: Skimmed through EoD and it looks like most people went pretty pants on head. I don’t even understand why Rels got lynched? All I saw was Rsoul shouting “lynch Rels” without mentioning whatever scummy thing he did that made her switch from her earlier “Rels is a bad D1 lynch” stance. I also noticed Noobking wasting his vote on a totally null slot that got replaced and take no stances on the other wagons. Apparently I have almost 40 pages to catch up on and I’m still pretty demoralized from my shit day/life. No promises. I know questioning rl excuses is kinda shit but man that was some useful timing for ticktock. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Isn't "more likely to be town" a townread? You sometimes say stuff in a way i can't really understand because i think you're saying one thing and then you say another thing without a reason that hits me. No, because then everyone is a townread. If you shoot a person at random in mafia they have a 70-80% chance of flipping town. That doesn't make everyone a townread. A townread is someone who has an increased chance of being town based on your judgement. That is, a higher chance than the baseline. So you can easily have a scumread that you still believe has more than 50% chance of flipping town. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, if you wanna ask me about reads go look at them in my filter. I have explained my reads on probably all people and none of them have changed heavily after the lynch except for Conversion (more likely town), darthfoley (prolly town but idc rn), Mocsta (less town but still town) and you (slight town -> null). I've read like 15 pages of this game, and I intentionally avoid the filters of people like you and hf. Just humor me | ||
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I'm still unsure about noobking. I intitally called him town for being logical in that argument regarding exo's claim, but apparently he is smart enough to argue about stuff like that as mafia. hf and mocsta both independently claimed so. I guess I'll ahve to go read his filter at some point. | ||
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On March 21 2018 04:18 Fecalfeast wrote: Palmar - not trolling, i don't want to lymch him This is like the worst reason to townread me btw. if FF is mafia, this is literally him messing up  | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow.. this is quite amusing. I can't understand why people are saying noobking is scummy for being logical because that's not it. Apparently noone understands what i am saying about him. The thing is not that he is being logical, it is the thing he uses completely NAI things to "prove" his reads, like "it is scientifically proven" or "you used the word honestly which is more likely mafia does that" (which you picked up from last game when you read his filter there early). Those are completely NAI reasons to scumread anyone. Here like he grilled "ykl" for using some word that was completely irrelevant to the context of the post. I mean like he is "finding" shit that looks good on paper but throws into trash all the things where WHY people would do that as either alignment and only focuses on the "scientific proof" to justify his read(s). citation needed | ||
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You understand that you've put yourself in a position where you can't be alive in lylo, as you'd be an optimal lynch in that situation. So clear your name or get hanged. | ||
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On March 22 2018 20:38 n00bKing wrote: We should not forget the possibility that he is mafia TRUEclaming vet. There's nothing stopping the mafia from having a vet, so that's something that makes it a little less attractive for having a Role Cop check him. right yeah, I kinda meant that as a possibility. To me a mafia "fakeclaim" and "trueclaim" are the same thing as both can only be proven by lynching the person involved (I forgot about the possiblity of a role cop, it's not a common role). | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:09 n00bKing wrote: Is it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster. That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I think we should kill noobking. That'd be good. | ||
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I actually think we should kill noobking. | ||
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a) rayn's point is very good. This post here: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote: "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it. Then in the post about me: s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster. He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played: On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote: This is actually kinda slam dunk here. On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote: I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true. His filter is basically empty. Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization. So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant. The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly. This is actually a great case Oh and this part: That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class". | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:42 Mocsta wrote: Why him over moosy, Ex0_, FF, Coagulation, tictock? moosy/coag are just vigi shots. Lynching afk players or players who don't play is for day 1 and then vigi shots. I have nothing that points towards them being mafia or town. And knowing both of them, I have zero faith that they'll ever do anything useful this game. FF is meh, could be mafia, but i don't have a clear case like I just described on noobking. Exo I'm less sure on. he could be town lynchbait, or maybe he's a flailing scum. idk I haven't read him in detail. | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote: Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I'm the best vigilante on TL mafia. Vigilante should shoot into trash. That's the vigilante's job. | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:58 Holyflare wrote: Yeah but did you go back and search if he does this bs word reading as town palmar? Touché. The word reading isn't the problem, it's how he's applying it. He's using it to stir shit when shit doesn't need to be stirred. | ||
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On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote: I took kill as shoot night1 Not lynxh day2 While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante. The tier list of vigilante shots is something like: 1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed) 2) Liars 3) Trash and afkers 4) Active scummy players 5) own face | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote: But does he do it as town? no idea, I don't meta. | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote: While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante. The tier list of vigilante shots is something like: 1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed) 2) Liars 3) Trash and afkers 4) Active scummy players 5) own face The problem is that most people are terrible at mafia, so shooting based on their reads is usually a bad idea. Here, read this! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop I actually disagree with Ace on the "nonsense" bit. To me afk people are far worse than people who just troll throughout the game (also I don't wanna have to shoot Chez and Slam every game). | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:07 Holyflare wrote: I love your case because it was my case last game and my case this game too. yeah but I don't read your posts all that much | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:13 disformation wrote: just out of interest - i know it is not fully applicable this game: but if there are two close wagons and you lynch town, wouldnt it make sense to shoot the counterwagon? no, unless the counterwagon is a liar or trash. two close wagons are no more likely to be mafia/town than town/town | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:20 disformation wrote: aight thanks palmar. what do you think of hf atm? Working under the assumption I'm right on noobking, he's probably town. The only problem I have with it is that if he knew all this yesterday, how come his push was so weak? And it's really the same with Mocsta. I haven't read hf's reasons for thinking mocsta is mafia, but I have no big reasons to think mocsta is scum outside of his very weak entry. Someone asked me if Mocsta dropping the post restriction is more town or scum, and I think it's more likely to be town, as I don't think he was ever in any real danger of being lynched. But yeah, HF seems to be pretty bad at getting things done this game, but for HF that isn't necessarily a scumtell, it might even be a towntell because he tends to try to wrestle for control in games when he's mafia. I'm basically doing wait and see with HF for now. If I'm wrong on noobking, and HF keeps doing nothing remarkable maybe I'll reconsider. Also, if somehow other loudmouths like myself and rayn die, and HF survives and THEN starts to take control, everyone should be super suspicious of him. | ||
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if HF is right on noobking it makes him more towny, because he made a correct case for the correct reasons on mafia. if HF is wrong, that doesn't really say anything. Townies are wrong all the time. If he's wrong, it's time to look at his other reads and contributions. Being wrong isn't scummy. | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:33 Conversion wrote: yes I am mafia and I am going to shoot you tomorrow anyways, I thought he jumped more than just on Rels. let me actually take a look weak fake scumclaim with no humorous effect noted. | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:40 Mocsta wrote: Lol according to ya vig priority lynch he doesnt qualify lol Not confirmed and not lying and not lurker ;p sure, but that doesn't mean I'm disallowed to talk about mafia. I tend to die on n1, so I like saying things. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game. actually I forgot this shit too noobking is so mafia | ||
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On March 23 2018 00:49 Conversion wrote: Mocsta, why on earth is Palmar more town than HF when he's sharing a similar scum read on you? Also, you had people willing to divert onto a Rels lynch, so why I don't scumread mocsta, pay attention. | ||
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2. We're not killing rsoultin. I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:40 Mocsta wrote: its in my claim post. in actuality, i swapped my shot about 4 times. I think I went tictock -> palmar -> moosy -> ExO_ ExO was in the same trash tier as a few others; therefore, I settled on ExO because vivax was my strongest town read, and I thought he was tunneled and needed to give him closure. I thought Kelsier was the townier between the two. eh... thanks for not shooting me? | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote: Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk. Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment? | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:47 Koshi wrote: I have high hopes for you palmar. If you find time. Look into df, conversion and fefe. I am going to need help not lynching into those 3. First I need to see why they arent mafia before my brain opens up for others. And I understand all 3 are not mafia. Maybe only 1. Very maybe 2. All three are in my tier of "people who are so unimpressive or boring that I ignore them". That category is generally brim filled with scum. I shoudl probably read them. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote: Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town Rels -- flipped town Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town n00bking -- ??? Conversion -- ??? If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off. you can't just randomly assume that a certain percentage of wagons needs to be scum. Hey koshi, wanna make a few random wagons to make df's head explode? Pretend that I'm talking real slow and real nice in a friendly tone with a big smile on my face when I say "This is fucking stupid my man". | ||
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a) Do we trust this new koshi? Is he improved? Is he better than the original one? b) What do you think of rayn? Tell me how you really feel. c) Do you miss HF? I miss HF. | ||
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On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote: So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages. Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game. On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote: To clarify to slower than normal people: a) rayn's point is very good. This post here: Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it. Then in the post about me: He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played: Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization. So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant. The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly. This is actually a great case Oh and this part: I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class". We're killing noobking today. I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him. Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1. I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking. | ||
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On March 23 2018 18:26 Mocsta wrote: palmar i shall sheep ##Vote: n00bking good sheep. | ||
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On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote: This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean? I admit that I've only read about 20-30% of the game max. I still feel more qualified than any of yall to make decisions. How does this make you feel? | ||
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On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote: Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion. Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration. It's not even a panic. The best scum move is always to shoot people who are right. People don't like to change their minds ^^ | ||
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On March 23 2018 20:26 Mocsta wrote: n00b you are scum because, for all your proclamations of being world-class, you are merely existing; content to reply to others and one-post pressure lurkers. you stand for game theory; over the actual game at hand. you are mafia and i have no interest in i or others trying to force a confession. if you had a chance to be town; the next 30hrs will prove it in your filter as the onus is on you to pressure your reads; not the other way around. good luck It's me who is world class, not him. | ||
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On March 23 2018 23:28 Conversion wrote: To be fair, that's what I was going to do yet people want to shit on my behavior anyways. Too-da-loo ~ if I don't get my MK request fulfilled I guess I'll just start breaking rules also as I said I haven't read like 60%+ of the game so I had no idea, I went back through ksc's filter to find what you meant, and yeah, it's kinda shitty of him. Mafia is an emotional game. You will be called stupid, ignorant, bad, worthless a variation of any of those.. If you can't take that you probably shouldn't be playing. The nature of the game is such that it's emotional, people get invested in their reads and sometimes the game feels unjust. However, there's no real need to bring in discrimination. You can get your point across without that. | ||
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On March 23 2018 23:33 rsoultin wrote: True, but it's probably not a great idea to encourage people to only look into who nk targets were scumreading, Palmar lol >< There are plenty of reasons for night kills. yeah but I don't think his thought process is illogical. First assume mafia made the normal and optimal play, worry about tinfoil theories later. People are giving him a hard time about it, it's strictly the correct way to play. | ||
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Just like Mocsta creating some bullshit post restriction, then getting excited and ignoring his own rules makes Mocsta more likely to be town, KSC claiming to go afk for a day and not even returning to post a single post or take a jab at someone or something means he's not really particularly excited about the game. | ||
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On March 23 2018 23:41 rsoultin wrote: I know he said he wouldn't be back before today, but yeah, the lengthy disappearance is making me antsy. Also, if I just go with lynching the people I was townreading rayn/ksc/koshi top that list \o/ Didn't really see anything that struck me as terribly scummy when he was actually in the thread, though. So there's that. it's not that he's afk, it's that he's not been tempted to get back to it. Like how can he not have looked at his phone at some point in the past like 48 hours and thought "man I gotta say something about that". Yeah I thought he was town day 1 too. He maybe still is. | ||
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Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia. | ||
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On March 23 2018 23:43 disformation wrote: yeah, it is odd. but lets see what he does when he returns. i had/have the feeling that there was an idea behind that. like he will return with a grand case or something. but yeah also getting a bit nervous. would expect him to have done something by now. I doubt he's theatrical and cool enough to do that. Not everyone can be me. | ||
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It's a massive pile of shit. Coag is a little bit of an asshole. He never actually plays mafia. He barely posts in the games he's in. Years ago he started posting a townie seal to prove his town, and I think he's so far never posted it as mafia. It's a heated topic, people get mad | ||
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here: history http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/443425-coags-townie-seal-club http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20752338 | ||
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On March 24 2018 03:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: MEANWHILE WE HAVE ARROGANT CONTENDER #3 NOOBKING OVER HERE JACKING HIMSELF OFF IN HIS CORNER INSTEAD OF PLAYING THE GAME HAHAA HAHAA Yeah those arrogant people are the worst man. | ||
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On March 24 2018 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar are you around tomorrow? It would make me glad to scumhunt with someone who actually listens to me. It's weekend and I'm attending a wedding. I probably won't be. | ||
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On March 24 2018 05:03 Tictock wrote: Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please? Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game. I think it's cute. And rather easy to do with perfect information | ||
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On March 24 2018 18:13 n00bKing wrote: Other things I haven't cared for, from Palmar... This is him, at the end of one of his Town games: Comparatively less sure of what to do, in this game, when disformation claimed a blue role under duress: Given that Palmar's OWN vote was on disformation when he makes the claim (and given that he says this particular claim would be especially bad/selfish if it came from town *instead* of mafia), you might think he would be especially adamant about punching through the claim and lynching him anyway. Was obviously not the case here. Guessing at the mafia motivation for the change of heart might be sketchy. I don't know if there's something deeper than just "you don't want to be the guy who strongarms everyone into lynching a player you know would flip blue." And THIS role is one that is almost completely harmless for scum to go ahead and leave alive. Don't need to break your back getting a revealed Veteran lynched, when it can no longer hurt you at Night (and especially if the other leading wagons are town). Yeah you're just mafia. Why didn't you quote my entire post: On May 02 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote: I am sorry that I didn't kick and scream to lynch superbia day 1. If a person claims blue to save himself ALWAYS, ALWAYS lynch him. It is always the right play. Notice how I'm apologizing for doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing this game. I wasn't adamant about killing the blue claim that game, and I wasn't this game either. In fact, that game I eventually changed my vote away from Superbia I think. But I'm not here to argue with you, just pointing out to the rest of everyone that you intentionally cut out half of my post and the context of that game, the very stuff that completely negates your accusation. This isn't a mistake, because you dug up some random game from two years ago. You don't randomly find a very specific post by me talking about this stuff, and then accidentally forget to quote half of the post. I need to run, have a wedding. Don't change this guys, noobking is mafia every time. | ||
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so I guess I gotta stay the course ^^ (this is a bullshit claim, any slow-play claim is always mafia, if he was actually town and was willing to use this to defend himself, he'd have both claimed long ago, and also not done this bullshit "i'll maybe tell you what blue I am teehee") | ||
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On March 25 2018 07:52 n00bKing wrote: Not all things can be redeemed. Not even by Mafia Jesus. You call yourself King. But what is a King to a God? | ||
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yeah koshi sounded ok when he was in the thread but he has fucked off. Maybe we just lynch coag out of spite and hope it doesn't lose us the game. | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:13 Mocsta wrote: No Slam is specific cos could be scum So ff should be tomorrow lynch... Tictock keeps having good and bad posts. Will give benefit of the doubt No we're playing spite now. ff is a fine lynch for not participating, but coag is top. Maybe slam for that ragequit and not voting. We're not killing tictock because I'm no longer trying to find mafia. I'm now playing a game of "let's kill all the trash in town". | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:13 rsoultin wrote: currently i'm just wondering why the hell nk felt the need to troll us when he could have easily claimed tracker and who he tracked @.@ at least get the info into the thread the only explanation i have for it is not something that i can say without bordering on flaming Oh I'll flame He's a presumptuous ass who believes his greatness is a blessing and diplomacy with lesser beings such as us is beneath him. If we can't see his greatness we shall be punished. I'm 100% never going to try to figure out if he crumbed a track somewhere in the verbal diarrhea that was his posting. | ||
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a normal game is: 10v3 = 13 players this is: ??vs? = 20 players if those numbers are 16vs4, that means town has gained 6 players for 1 mafia. harsh for mafia if those numbers are 15vs5, that means town gained 5 townies for 2 mafia, harsh for town. So the most likely scenario, by far, is that mafia has 4 players, but some extra killing power. Mafia may have held a shot, we may have a doc, we may have a mafia vigilante who hasn't shot etc etc. | ||
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On March 26 2018 17:01 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I will be selfish and claim. In theory I shouldnt and try to do some saves / confirm mafia but I think the claim will be insanely disputed already. And if mafia is with 4 and has no kp left I need to save 2 shots for a ml. But cconfirming mafia is also not possible but w.e. I am actually town roleblocker. And yes. I know with a jailkeeper/vigi/tracker/roleblocker our setup is pretty stacked. But we are 9 townies down soo.... Anyway. If you believe disformation is mafia without my claim... it makes him really mafia with my claim. Sadly I assume mafia also has a roleblocker so I wont be worth shit anymore and am not a target to kill. But if we ever kill the rb and the potential back up role after that they kinda need to kill me. Which is far away but it's possible. So I blocked Conversion n1 and df n2. Didnt crumb anything. Chances are extremely high there is mafia between me an disformation. I am assuming Mocsta will believe we are both mafia reading his last posts. BUT would I buss disformation like that early game? I dont think I would. I am still on the page I said I was a couple days ago. But I liked Mocsta his posts. And I read some of rsoultin during night. Maybe mafia showed some face knowing they were close. And we can 2 in a row. First you need to believe I am town though. 😁 :D | ||
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On March 26 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote: I dont know why the scum team is trying so hard End-game will be coag, moosy and probably feacalfeast Like thats a crapshoot Dont even knkw if coag will vote And completely uncontrollable We may as well agree to a draw Im being completely serious btw for one you have me in your mafia list, which means if we follow it we lose 100%. So maybe mafia is trying because they believe town is stupid enough for them to get an easy win. | ||
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koshi is 100% mafia with the claim. There is no way town has 2 roleblocking roles + vig + tracker. vet/vig/tracker/jk makes much more sense. Also, this koshi claim just reeks of a lazy hail mary. "Well I'm not arsed enough to try hard, so I'll swing for the fences with a random claim". | ||
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On March 26 2018 21:33 Mocsta wrote: Can you translate to english for me please ?? | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote: You literally just confirmed you are mafia If Palmar is town as he says, mafia don't have to try. its auto-lose. Like this is almost post of the thread worthy. ;P You said "let's call this a draw". Why on earth would mafia want a draw when they have people of questionable intelligence yelling for the lynch of townies. All they have to do is wait. | ||
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Like everyone should accept that I just don't play like this when I'm mafia. Sure I led a lynch on a townie, but at least I led a fucking lynch. The mafia is always the people who quietly agree with shit. It's never, ever going to be mafia who is at the forefront of killing people. | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote: The fact that IF i am town, I am the roleblpcker. I would never lie about that as town. So mafia might need to kill me based on who we lynch. We are in lylo anyway. So consider lynching me later. If you say I am 100 % mafia I close this game though. I am not going to play vs a brick wall. If you are not mafia, and I'm not mafia who is then mafia Koshi? | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:44 Palmar wrote: 1. Mocsta is confirmed town for all intents and purposes. The chances of this being some stupid play by mafia are low enough that I'm not gonna worry about it for now. 2. We're not killing rsoultin. I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today. good call on rsoultin by me btw | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:36 Koshi wrote: Because I am not committed to this game. Quite simple. I still think I played quite well d1 and I didnt play at all d2. I also dont really know who is mafia because I didnt read much for 48ish hours. I dont really care atm about winning or losing because this game isnt something I cared about. you literally just wrote "so it is palmar" What insightful analysis has caused you to reach that conclusion? | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:40 disformation wrote: setup wise i think it is more likely you are scum rb or like backup (jk) or something similar going for the last second/day try. your role isnt rly needed anymore since you've got the blues out of the way. he could also be... y'know full of shit. | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:43 Koshi wrote: I dont know. If I didnt write it I forgot. I dont think rayn is mafia. I dont think mocsta is mafia. I remove coag for the seal. So not much is left. I always thought tt was town. "the one in which koshi poe's himself" | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:47 Koshi wrote: From what I heard you pushed hard on NK... claimed tracker who played. Sure, I thought he was mafia. I was wrong. He just spoke with an authority that made me think he was a good player. turns out he was just a bad player who gets stuck on the stupidest things. And you know just as well as me that this part "claimed tracker who played." is complete fabrication. He never even claimed tracker afaik, he just said he was blue while trolling the thread and posting baby seals. Are you telling me that somehow koshi prime the prince of belgium would have recognized "ah, this baby-seal-posting, trolling, blue-claiming asshole is clearly town". Maybe with perfect information give me a break | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:48 Mocsta wrote: stop ignoring feacal it is now feacetiousfeast what the hell are you on about? | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:50 Koshi wrote: I'll believe you. I somewhat like your posting as well. The tone that is. Oh well. I guess mafia is being chill right now so dnu what it means. Anyway. My current guess might be fefe df moosy and then somebody I am forgetting or something. Or is it mocsta.. blah. Rayn? No. TT? Coag. Seal and then who is the last? I mean... the simplest answer is just that you're mafia my friend. But, to prove what a great person I am, and show you how to not be a complete ass when you think someone is mafia, I'm gonna actually keep talking to you. Maybe I'm just bad and you're just lazy as shit and rayn is in a corner somewhere laughing his ass off. | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:51 Koshi wrote: Didnt read anything but rsoultin night post on you. Everything I say is the truth btw. Dont believe it now. But remember it when I flip. if you flip town friendo, game is over. | ||
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On March 26 2018 22:58 Koshi wrote: I also play for survival but it is for town. I just need you people to take a step back and rethink eon1 when ALOT of people townread me for my posting. My only crime d2 was not posting a lot and it is on you people to scumread me for not posting. Like... I played a good but not active game. But cant do much against thread sentiment. There's more than just that. You also have a very inconvenient claim and frankly you sound much less good than the other two claimers. Additionally while I kinda like this koshi who is a bit more chill, I've come to associate town koshi with zero tolerance wrath towards your chosen lynch targets, to the point where being targeted by you is simply unpleasant. You're going to have to come up with more than just "I guess this guy is mafia". | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is disformation not mafia? because he doesn't talk like mafia? | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not really seeing your case because it is all unflipped associations. Also Koshi called disformation mafia and afaik he claimed rb so rb makes sense if there is a mafia vet. You think it's likely that the town roles are rb+jk. | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar alwasy talks about vigshotting lurkers because it is basically what he thinks vig's are invented for. That's what they are for. Vigilantes should kill liars and lurkers. If there are no lurkers or liars, shoot people who shit up the thread, but this never happens as there's always lurkers. | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care, i don't know what roles scum have so i can't know what roles town has / would have. we know we have: tracker + jk and we have some combination of vig/vet/rb Don't act like you don't know this. | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am well aware what combination of roles we have or can have. It ahs nothing to do with what i said because what roles scum have will obviously matter in what we have. It's almost irrelevant, if mocsta is town then we have exactly 1kp that can target mafia. town cannot coordinate actions (rb + vigi) because claiming is dumb as town. so no, rb to counter mafia vet is just fantasy | ||
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On March 27 2018 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: You very well know palmar that a smart host decides to put "stupid" combination of roles just because people do this shit all the time where they try to game the setup. Maybe someone will make the argument that Mocsta is mafia because no way in hell would a host put so many investigative roles in the game. On March 25 2018 08:22 Palmar wrote: There is a missing kill btw, but I don't think Mocsta is ever gonna flip mafia. a normal game is: 10v3 = 13 players this is: ??vs? = 20 players if those numbers are 16vs4, that means town has gained 6 players for 1 mafia. harsh for mafia if those numbers are 15vs5, that means town gained 5 townies for 2 mafia, harsh for town. So the most likely scenario, by far, is that mafia has 4 players, but some extra killing power. Mafia may have held a shot, we may have a doc, we may have a mafia vigilante who hasn't shot etc etc. For post game bragging rights I did bring up the Mocsta=mafia tinfoil theory and a good reason why it may be true, but honestly I'm just never gonna lynch mocsta because of activity. I'd much rather go out killing shitty lazy townies than by tinfoiling myself into killing a townie that's actually trying. And if mocsta is scum he made a clever claim and followed up with activity so hats off. | ||
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I don't know how that is balanced without mocsta being scum. But maybe hosts are just bad at balancing. OR maybe hosts are next-level and anticipated half of town being full of shitheads who get themselves modkilled, and counted that as mafia kp best hosts tbh. | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:04 disformation wrote: yeah i think with 5 mafia it would be 5-5 now and game ogre oh shit we're 6v4 not 7v4 yeah of course, then it's guaranteed we have 4 mafia. | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is easy, he has been in the thread like all the time commenting on everything thats going on in the game but never does anything with any information. good case would sheep | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oki i gotta prepare for work, see you in the morning. much help thanks | ||
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moosey df the list above has probably at least 2 mafia. These are the people I keep forgetting are even in the game. | ||
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Town could literally grind the game to a halt if the jk decides to use it offensively. It's why we kill koshi. His role doesn't fit and there's other reasons he is mafia too. | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:14 Mocsta wrote: palmar you very sexy player much to learn from you, much to learn. thank you buddy. I have great rants occasionally. | ||
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On March 27 2018 01:15 Mocsta wrote: palmar why is rayn town and why is df scummy, if he built a solid case on koshi. like too much effort to be scum case as well.....???? I have no idea if rayn is town. His entry today was extremely weak and uncharacteristic. But he did correctly read me town for correct reasons on day 2. Maybe I'm just pocketed but idk. df because I have no idea what he has done this game. I had no idea he built a case on koshi (which should tell you something about the quality of the push...) building a case on someone when you know no one is going to listen is easy. | ||
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gonna post my man? | ||
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On March 27 2018 03:02 darthfoley wrote: What are the other reasons? You're not talking about my case considering you just said I've been forgetful. You have been treading very carefully about committing to a read on Koshi this whole game. Basically your filter on Koshi boils down to "well, he could be town but he could also be scum!" until right now. So what are the other reasons he's mafia? On March 26 2018 23:03 Palmar wrote: There's more than just that. You also have a very inconvenient claim and frankly you sound much less good than the other two claimers. Additionally while I kinda like this koshi who is a bit more chill, I've come to associate town koshi with zero tolerance wrath towards your chosen lynch targets, to the point where being targeted by you is simply unpleasant. You're going to have to come up with more than just "I guess this guy is mafia". | ||
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On March 27 2018 02:57 darthfoley wrote: Idk man, people have called me scummy all game but rayn was the last person to actually give reasons. And that was D1. I'm fine with people being suspicious of me, but there has been like 0 initiative to actually convince other people of it. Which makes sense considering as mafia, they've been able to just sit around and watch us self-destruct. No need to get in the middle of it First of all, people ignore you because you don't post entertaining shit. This game is all about stirring up some real shit that gets people's blood running. Your day 1 gag thing was just plain boring mate. The problem I have with rayn is that while he has posted a lot of text (most of which I haven't read), he doesn't really have any influence in town. He's ceded basically all influence to me and a few other people, which is unnatural for him. But he has also said some things I've agreed very much with, and he has the same thing as mocsta that I really don't wanna lose this game by lynching a townie that's been very active. I think it's much more likely we find scum in the less posty people. | ||
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On March 27 2018 04:13 Koshi wrote: Ok. Then it is over. This will be my last post. We wont win anyway lads. Mafia played well. I would also post pm to quicken the game but is rulebreaking. Cya in 28 hours This is the correct play if you're mafia, so please don't do this if you're town. The optimal play today for someone in koshi's position (as mafia) is to go afk and stop talking. This is because it mostly shuts down conversation, instead of allowing townies to keep prodding and poking, making themselves look good in the process. It's easily in mafia's best interest that people don't talk and just wait for the deadline. | ||
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On March 27 2018 08:07 darthfoley wrote: "have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless." my point is that i've tried to convince people to lynch my scum reads. Rsoultin did the same. I'm not really sure what else to interpret your post to mean. /offtopic there is no try. | ||
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People put way too little emphasis into the social/politics part of mafia and way too much into the logic/deduction part. | ||
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On March 27 2018 19:02 Koshi wrote: What the fuck you people did d2 to lynch a CLAIMED BLUE is beyond me. But in the meantime you let yourself get so out of control so you also scumread townies that didnt do anything that pushed mafia agenda or w.e. That is fucking brilliant When I am in the thread such bullshit doesnt happen. But I take it your leader was rsoultin Well hahahahahaha On March 25 2018 07:20 n00bKing wrote: I don't really agree. It depends on other factors too. Oh, and on that note, I'm a blue role. He claimed 40 minutes before the deadline, without actually claiming. On March 25 2018 07:34 n00bKing wrote: My role PM: + Show Spoiler + You are the town Nunya Bizness. Don't tell other players your role. Stop berating us for playing correctly. | ||
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On March 27 2018 15:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: I don't know why town is dumb as fuck and trying to go after claimed roles. Isn't the standard strat to leave them alone and see what happens? Mafia is either killing claimed blue roles or VT townies and they're definitely fucking going to kill claimed blues instead of the VT's. That means Koshi/disfo/Mocsta should not be lynched today. That means rayn/darth/Palmar/Fecalfeast/Tictock/Coagulation/Moosy should be the ones up for lynch. This is only applicable in non-lylo. In lylo you just kill whoever has the highest chance of flipping mafia, with no regard for being blue or not. If koshi is mafia and we kill a townie there will be no more night phases to see what the mafia does. It's literally over right there. Honestly, there is a small chance ff is the correct lynch today, simply based on the fact that everyone agrees he's mafia, and his contributions are such that any mafia team would always be busing him. There's no chance mafia would defend ff. disfo is never gonna flip mafia. | ||
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I'm guessing 2-3 mafia, easy. Problem is that it's 100% that it's not 4 mafia on him, so that means at least 2 townies on disfo. That means, no matter what happens, mafia controls the vote soo.... | ||
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they want to see where town is going before committing to a decision | ||
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Koshi/rayn/ff + someone I'm missing | ||
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that would also be a decent sleeper mafia I might've missed. I did call some of his posts scummy in the early game and I'm usually correct in the early game. | ||
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On March 27 2018 23:05 Mocsta wrote: im so love/hate with you Its annoying me greatly Right now its love look at my wagon now look at yours now back to me I'm on mafia | ||
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yes probably. She still does belong to a really annoying group of people on tl (koshi is part of this) who will never, ever, ever trust me no matter what. The only thing that could make me look town to the people who hate poor Palmar is shooting the mafia godfather on n1. Oh wait, sorry no, I shot mafia godfather on n1 and got lynched d2 for it. I don't know what it is and it pisses me off. It'd be nice to once play a game where I don't have to fight some underlying suspicion throughout. Even this game is a good example. About half the players here are ready to call me mafia this game. | ||
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But honestly I've only shot a teammate like once as mafia. | ||
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literally everyone has him in their scum poe | ||
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On March 27 2018 23:51 Koshi wrote: In the rare case rayn is mafia it is pretty obvious disfo is town. I still run with both town though. hey am I town koshi? I think you should call me town. | ||
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On March 28 2018 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote: You're town now because if you're not town everyone's fing mafia I like lynching palmar becausebit happens so rarely and he's not done anything all game except bestow his sagely wisdom like "vig should shoot trash" and "always lynch someone who claims blue to save themselves" We are for the second day in a row lynching my target. I’ve done more than most people this game. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:05 Fecalfeast wrote: Palmar rayn disfo and who? Coag | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:15 disformation wrote: I'm actually fairly pissed about mishandling the n2 shit. clear case of me overthinking something so I cant see the proper/good solution. you did great on n1 | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am happy i could for once work with Palmar in a mafia team. Thank you. you too bro. we even had some longevity built in. While town would certainly have gotten 1-2 mafia if this game had gone on I'm sure we'd have gotten a few more mislynches because we split up enough. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:19 disformation wrote: ty <3. just need to work on not panicking/overthinking things I guess. you're very self-aware. You think people care about you a lot more than they actually do. Remember, most people don't read anything at all in mafia. I mostly just read my own posts and marvel at my greatness. I also ctrl+f my name in the thread because I only like talking about myself. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:20 Koshi wrote: Still happy but outplayed by mafia team d3. And my bottom was very bad. Why I gained so much heat d2 I still dont understand. Also dnu why I got so angry after I was doing so good... Oh well. BM is also fun at times. Tricked by townie seal. Palmar made good posts d1. Rayn made good posts d3. Disfo was a nice guy. Never would have won with morons like mocsta. you got heat because mafia was running the thread. We had way too much clout in the thread for town to turn it around quickly. You guys really needed the mislynches denied to you by the modkills. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:25 Tictock wrote: Ok since Moosy brought this up. Tbh almost all you guys get pretty nasty in these games, and funnily enough you all tend to start shitting on each other for giving each other shit, and in turn are shitty to whoever was a bit shitty first. My point is that it is just a massive shit fest. The obv solution is to just start being polite, but that is almost never going to happen. So maybe you should just reconsider your wording when you feel that urge to call someone stupid or berate a person. If you cannot handle what you are about to say to someone were it being said to you, then you probably shouldn't say it. Idk, honestly this talk happens more often than not and this always becomes an issue so it's hard to see that attitude changing here. I only call people stupid when they deserve it | ||
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On March 23 2018 09:00 Palmar wrote: you can't just randomly assume that a certain percentage of wagons needs to be scum. Hey koshi, wanna make a few random wagons to make df's head explode? Pretend that I'm talking real slow and real nice in a friendly tone with a big smile on my face when I say "This is fucking stupid my man". And I say it in such a nice way! | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:32 darthfoley wrote: I prove my ideological consistency because I don't think I had a problem with this post at all and to prove my point they were all town  | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:32 Koshi wrote: Nonchalant helping thing when it isnt needed is more mafia in my mind. That pinged me. It is just after that you did nothing townie. My previous mindset was to keep blue claims alive d1 and figure them out later. But my d1 is mostly my best day. (Most times townreads and PoE, not mafia reads but they are a byproduct) But again... the townies this game were a bunch of retarded pieces of shit that made it super unpleasant to come back in the thread. Mocsta, df in particular. Why I bothered I dont understand. Never again. Only mafia was nice to me xcept palmad. I was perfectly nice to you aside from the killing you thing. | ||
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On March 28 2018 16:23 Mocsta wrote: I dunno if something changed after I left, or my memory fails me. I was of the impression people feared marv scum game?? I thought he had a high winning record as either alignment?? My recollectiion was ppl sheeping because they agreed with his logic vs being confirmed. Then again, my experience with him was say 4 to 5 years ago. meh perhaps his downfall was after I had a flawless victory against him I still remember that themed game like it was yesterday - sort of l0l He was very good at playing mafia, but he didn't have the stomach to do it repeatedly, so his scumgame took a nosedive. It is very, very draining to roll scum multiple times in a row. Once is fun, twice is meh, I think my longest streak is like 6 scumgames in a row. I was very tired by the end of it. | ||
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On March 28 2018 19:21 Vivax wrote: How did he disappear like that btw I thought you two got along pretty well? I would also use this opportunity to commemorate coags town seals yeah we get along pretty well. Honestly I'm not sure I think he just lost his appetite for mafia. | ||
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