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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 14:06 GMT
#1686
My rules are for other people, not myself.
My case is for other people, not you.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 16:21 GMT
#1708
On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up*
Good post.
I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore.

This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value.

I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case.

So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing.

I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game.

actually I forgot this shit too

noobking is so mafia
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 16:22 GMT
#1709
On March 23 2018 00:49 Conversion wrote:
Mocsta, why on earth is Palmar more town than HF when he's sharing a similar scum read on you?

Also, you had people willing to divert onto a Rels lynch, so why

I don't scumread mocsta, pay attention.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 23:44 GMT
#1977
1. Mocsta is confirmed town for all intents and purposes. The chances of this being some stupid play by mafia are low enough that I'm not gonna worry about it for now.

2. We're not killing rsoultin.

I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 23:45 GMT
#1979
On March 23 2018 08:40 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Mocsta, why ExO and not darthfoley or Conversion or someone else?
its in my claim post.

in actuality, i swapped my shot about 4 times.

I think I went
tictock -> palmar -> moosy -> ExO_

ExO was in the same trash tier as a few others; therefore,

I settled on ExO because vivax was my strongest town read, and I thought he was tunneled and needed to give him closure. I thought Kelsier was the townier between the two.



eh... thanks for not shooting me?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 23:54 GMT
#1987
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.


Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 22 2018 23:55 GMT
#1989
On March 23 2018 08:47 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:44 Palmar wrote:
1. Mocsta is confirmed town for all intents and purposes. The chances of this being some stupid play by mafia are low enough that I'm not gonna worry about it for now.

2. We're not killing rsoultin.

I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today.

I have high hopes for you palmar.

If you find time. Look into df, conversion and fefe. I am going to need help not lynching into those 3. First I need to see why they arent mafia before my brain opens up for others.

And I understand all 3 are not mafia. Maybe only 1. Very maybe 2.


All three are in my tier of "people who are so unimpressive or boring that I ignore them". That category is generally brim filled with scum.

I shoudl probably read them.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 00:00 GMT
#1994
On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:54 Palmar wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.


Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment?


Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town

Rels -- flipped town
Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through
darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town
n00bking -- ???
Conversion -- ???

If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.

you can't just randomly assume that a certain percentage of wagons needs to be scum.

Hey koshi, wanna make a few random wagons to make df's head explode?

Pretend that I'm talking real slow and real nice in a friendly tone with a big smile on my face when I say "This is fucking stupid my man".
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 00:05 GMT
#2000
hey rsoultin. I need exactly three answers from you:

a) Do we trust this new koshi? Is he improved? Is he better than the original one?
b) What do you think of rayn? Tell me how you really feel.
c) Do you miss HF? I miss HF.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 09:04 GMT
#2051
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.


Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 09:17 GMT
#2052
On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up*
Good post.
I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore.

This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value.

I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case.

So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing.

I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game.


On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:
To clarify to slower than normal people:

a) rayn's point is very good. This post here:

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead.

Nervous about something?

Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you?

"Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so.
On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead.

"Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?"


Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it.

Then in the post about me:

Show nested quote +

s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.


He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.

His filter is basically empty.


Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization.

So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant.

The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly.

This is actually a great case

Oh and this part:

Show nested quote +
That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.


I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".


We're killing noobking today.

I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him.

Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1.

I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 09:30 GMT
#2056
On March 23 2018 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
palmar

i shall sheep

##Vote: n00bking

good sheep.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 09:39 GMT
#2059
On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.

This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?


I admit that I've only read about 20-30% of the game max. I still feel more qualified than any of yall to make decisions.

How does this make you feel?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 13:29 GMT
#2139
Btw where is ksc?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:27 GMT
#2161
To be fair, when you can be meta'd on your ragequits, maybe it's time to chill out a bit.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:28 GMT
#2162
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.


It's not even a panic. The best scum move is always to shoot people who are right.

People don't like to change their minds ^^
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:29 GMT
#2165
On March 23 2018 20:26 Mocsta wrote:
n00b

you are scum because, for all your proclamations of being world-class, you are merely existing; content to reply to others and one-post pressure lurkers.

you stand for game theory; over the actual game at hand.

you are mafia and i have no interest in i or others trying to force a confession.

if you had a chance to be town; the next 30hrs will prove it in your filter as the onus is on you to pressure your reads; not the other way around.

good luck


It's me who is world class, not him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:32 GMT
#2167
On March 23 2018 23:28 Conversion wrote:
To be fair, that's what I was going to do yet people want to shit on my behavior anyways.

Too-da-loo ~ if I don't get my MK request fulfilled I guess I'll just start breaking rules

also as I said I haven't read like 60%+ of the game so I had no idea, I went back through ksc's filter to find what you meant, and yeah, it's kinda shitty of him.

Mafia is an emotional game. You will be called stupid, ignorant, bad, worthless a variation of any of those.. If you can't take that you probably shouldn't be playing. The nature of the game is such that it's emotional, people get invested in their reads and sometimes the game feels unjust.

However, there's no real need to bring in discrimination. You can get your point across without that.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:35 GMT
#2170
On March 23 2018 23:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 23:28 Palmar wrote:
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.


It's not even a panic. The best scum move is always to shoot people who are right.

People don't like to change their minds ^^


True, but it's probably not a great idea to encourage people to only look into who nk targets were scumreading, Palmar lol >< There are plenty of reasons for night kills.

yeah but I don't think his thought process is illogical. First assume mafia made the normal and optimal play, worry about tinfoil theories later.

People are giving him a hard time about it, it's strictly the correct way to play.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 23 2018 14:37 GMT
#2171
Btw, KSC's chances of being mafia have increased somewhat

Just like Mocsta creating some bullshit post restriction, then getting excited and ignoring his own rules makes Mocsta more likely to be town, KSC claiming to go afk for a day and not even returning to post a single post or take a jab at someone or something means he's not really particularly excited about the game.

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