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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 08:53 GMT
#818
On March 21 2018 17:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 14:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2?

Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1.

And this is the beauty of smashboards.

They play blue way better than we do folks.

Listen, how did I know Noobking was scum?

PASSIVE VOICE. But passive even for him.

We usually are all very active voices, but his is more often passive. We are very much gone readers here.

BUT HE IS HELLUVA LOT LESS PASSIVE. Consider that before lynching him.

I dont want to lynch noobking except when Slam gives the go. Then I will want to lynch him with the heat of a thousand suns.

Like, I don't understand any of what he said there, about "passive voice." But sure, when he gives the go....thousand suns. Also, you are mostly still killing it, this game. So keep up the good work.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:01 GMT
#824
On March 21 2018 17:42 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks noob- if you're trying to 'understand' me, the answer to your question about slam is already in the post you just quoted from

So...the answer to my question of "how do you get him lynched, while saying that other people won't see what you're scumreading him for?" is...what, this?

"Doesn't mean he can't be lynched for other reasons that I might find less compelling but others like."

Otherwise, no, I don't see how you expect to get him lynched, by doing what you're doing. Which is why I said that it doesn't really seem like you care whether he's the lynch. (Or whether I am. Or who it is.)
On March 21 2018 17:42 rsoultin wrote:
Plus you simultaneously say

You don't care who gets lynched, must be scum!

And

Anyone who is certain of who they're lynching is bad because they're probably wrong

Makes any earthly sense. It's like...stop being bad. But don't stop too much because townies are bad, and not being bad makes people scum.

How does that even make sense?

Yeah, people who don't care who get lynched are more likely to be scum.
And yeah, people who are certain they've got the right D1 lynch are bad/dumb, because they're probably wrong.

Town players should care who the lynch is, and try to get their preferred target into the Noose. And then they should expect to be wrong, and see that player flip Town. Because both the math AND the game mechanics work together to give you a Day 1 mislynch. And unless someone on the scum team seriously BOTCHES the Phase, a mislynch is exactly what you'll get.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:05 GMT
#828
On March 21 2018 18:01 rsoultin wrote:
Noob is infuriating regardless of his alignment. It's like talking to a scolding school teacher.

Awesome. I have a friend who is actively trying to get me to take a teaching position at her school. Sounds like I've got what it takes!
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:17 GMT
#839
On March 21 2018 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:
I really like noobking , I can actually understand what he writes which elevates him above half the game. I have no reason to lynch him other than HF says he is playing like some other scum game. I don't like using that argument and I enjoy his posting so not lynching. I think there is a bit of a gang up here on NK and I don't like it, definitely scum in the people voting him.

I wouldn't want to bet on there being more than one scum player in the votes on me. But I *would* bet that all 3 players voting against disformation are town. And yet no suspicious players have joined us. That is...interesting to me.
On March 21 2018 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Slam you took up an entire page with unintelligible nonsense.

Surely did. But does that tell you which team he's on?

Remind me, have you had any thoughts on ykl? I can't find the town-sounding post, in his filter.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:44 GMT
#858
On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am)

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:48 GMT
#859
On March 21 2018 18:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't want to start a counter wagon without knowing people were into it since it was so close to deadline. I saw sentiment there and pushed it hard.


Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.


How close to the deadline was it, when he "didn't want to start a counter wagon" in that first post? We're still more than 12 hours from the deadline, here. If it was no nearer the deadline than that, I guess you could have something there.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:53 GMT
#862
On March 21 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
@NK, don't agree on conv

Which part? Do you mean I shouldn't hope for him to be helpful later? Or something else?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 09:56 GMT
#866
On March 21 2018 18:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 18:48 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 18:31 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2017 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't want to start a counter wagon without knowing people were into it since it was so close to deadline. I saw sentiment there and pushed it hard.


On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.


How close to the deadline was it, when he "didn't want to start a counter wagon" in that first post? We're still more than 12 hours from the deadline, here. If it was no nearer the deadline than that, I guess you could have something there.

Some things are better kept a mistery, N00bking.

This don't seem to be one of those things.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:01 GMT
#1122
On March 22 2018 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
Nk up for lynch, kelsier is vivax's scum read for tmi but he's on exo. Disfo up for lynch, vivax switches to kelsier the next leading wagon now.

Coincidence?

It was always super-strange that Vivax had his singleton vote on Exo instead of putting a 3rd vote on Kelsier, when he had designated Kelsier as "caught scum." Can you explain why a scum Vivax would rather see me lynched than Kelsier?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:05 GMT
#1127
Looking at the Alakaslam scum game that was posted makes me wish we had that guy in this game. He's totally coherent in some places, and some of his jokes are funny.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:14 GMT
#1130
On March 21 2018 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:
On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am)

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)


Who isn't reading the thread? This guy ^.

Why is slam scummy for doing this when I can name 3 other people off the top of my head that have just done the exact same thing. Koshi, rsoultin just now, myself? If three other people can see it and two of those are ok and the other one is confirmed mafia siding town then what's different about slam seeing the same thing?

wat

No one else did "the exact same thing." I said the SPEED and accuracy was concerning. There definitely was not the same speed with someone like yourself or rsoul. It's like the first thing Alakaslam did, once he said he'd read his role PM.

Also, I find it funny that you accuse me of not reading the thread, and then, 2 pages later, you admit that you are actually not reading the thread.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:16 GMT
#1134
What does rsoul mean when she says "nh"?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:31 GMT
#1155
On March 22 2018 05:27 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=Mocsta&view=all

What alignment was he in this game?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:34 GMT
#1159
On March 22 2018 01:48 disformation wrote:
anecdotal fun stuff: last time i saw someone blatantly drunk posting that was a scum!rels, who was pushing a town!disfo.

Yeah. I don't feel as though I like Mocsta as a lynch for today. But I do HATE the "drunken typos" stuff. It would be a lot worse if he was one of the vote leaders though. I don't really know why scum Mocsta would feel the need to pull that out of the hat right now.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:35 GMT
#1160
Yo rsoul, what does it mean when you say "nh"?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:40 GMT
#1166
On March 22 2018 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:01 n00bKing wrote:
On March 22 2018 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
Nk up for lynch, kelsier is vivax's scum read for tmi but he's on exo. Disfo up for lynch, vivax switches to kelsier the next leading wagon now.

Coincidence?

It was always super-strange that Vivax had his singleton vote on Exo instead of putting a 3rd vote on Kelsier, when he had designated Kelsier as "caught scum." Can you explain why a scum Vivax would rather see me lynched than Kelsier?

My thought when I made it was a disfo/vivax team but that's going way on the back burner after blue claim.

Do you not think Vivax is scummy independent of disfo's situation? I obviously don't like either of the primary scumreads we've had from Vivax in this game. (Exo & Kelsier)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:51 GMT
#1183
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game

On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.

*thumbs up*
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 20:56 GMT
#1190
On March 22 2018 05:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game

On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.

*thumbs up*

yo if you are town I'm gonna be somewhat pissed at you.
can you at least explain your vote ffs?

Koshi, Kelsier and I all voted against you for the same reason. I feel like this has been explained to you repeatedly.

The "thumbs up" is not support for Palmar's vote against you. Rather it mocks the gross inconsistency in the two posts I quoted.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 21:01 GMT
#1196
Votes are (somewhat) sliding away from myself and Disfo, but that could just end up getting Kelsier into more trouble, which I don't like.

Accusations from the active players are all over the map, with singleton votes against Rels, Mocsta, and Conversion.

With 2 hours left in the Phase, at what point do we consider a strong consolidation on sicklucker? He was just as likely to be scum as anyone else, when the game began. And as I've mentioned previously, an afk player who shows up to the game as scum but can't really be bothered to properly "catch up" has a lot more value to his scum team than an afk town player who shows up and can't be bothered to catch up.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 21 2018 21:06 GMT
#1200
On March 22 2018 05:58 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:56 n00bKing wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:52 disformation wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game

On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.

*thumbs up*

yo if you are town I'm gonna be somewhat pissed at you.
can you at least explain your vote ffs?

Koshi, Kelsier and I all voted against you for the same reason. I feel like this has been explained to you repeatedly.

The "thumbs up" is not support for Palmar's vote against you. Rather it mocks the gross inconsistency in the two posts I quoted.

nope you didn't.
koshi had a meta read of "helpful disfo is scum".
ksc cause I was "softdefending" md.
you didn't say jack at all.

sry bout the plammar thing though. mb.

Go into Kelsier's filter and read Post 442.
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