[M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia

On February 03 2018 06:06 Trfel wrote:
I know TL Mafia has changed a bit in the last few years, is being around at the deadlines still pretty important?

Edit: I would probably have the all KP (town or mafia) resolve simultaneously, unless the setup is designed otherwise. Feels like that has the least affect on gameplay.

On February 06 2018 11:28 Mocsta wrote:
More importantly; considering the bolb, what do you make of the interaction between rsoultin and I?

On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.

On February 06 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
i dont understand how you can brush off what im writing: when you state i am possibly scum; and the person I am writing about looks scummy.

I dont have a problem if you think my "wall of text" is simple; but I would appreciate if you can highlight why that is so.

On February 06 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
This is peculiar reasoning as there are many reasons to explain what you observe. Im not sure why you are default latching onto worst-case option, in addition to not reading my content in detail.

Again.. why do you keep bringing up my previous game. What is actually similar to you?
You have slung shit, and now I would like you to back up the assertion.

On February 06 2018 11:56 Mocsta wrote:
I still dont understand.
On one hand rsoultin tells should not apply yet as game is young
On the other hand, mocsta tells apply because the game is young?

Again, you suggest mocsta and rsoultin are scummy.
You think the case is simple - is it intentionally flawed to bus; or accuse an innocent?

On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?

On February 06 2018 06:21 Mocsta wrote:

Scum right here...i didnt care

On February 06 2018 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
I simply dont agree, but reviewing my game is something anyone can do if they are actually concerned about my alignment.

Im disappointed with you Darth.

On February 06 2018 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If df doesn't wanna talk about rsoultin that could even be okay but it seems like he doesn't wanna talk about anything at all. Yes it seems like he is scumreading rsoultin rn, but i don't really feel like he actually wants to lynch rsoultin (aka same way Mocsta and DF scumread each other last game).

On February 07 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote:


So you're not at all perplexed why tfel is voting rsoul?

On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn?

On February 07 2018 08:09 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have at least stated why I see it that way. Care to explain why I'm wrong in that? See here, here. If anything recent posts have only supported my suspicions IMO.

I'm happy to listen but you've got to give me some sort of anything, really.

On February 06 2018 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If df doesn't wanna talk about rsoultin that could even be okay but it seems like he doesn't wanna talk about anything at all. Yes it seems like he is scumreading rsoultin rn, but i don't really feel like he actually wants to lynch rsoultin (aka same way Mocsta and DF scumread each other last game).

On February 07 2018 08:18 Mocsta wrote:
LOL
I dont think you are playing like last game.

However, I also find you are less globally transparent than your recent town games in the database.

What I continue to not understand is: You think I am scum for Reasons XYZ.
Are you not concerned that it has been me suggesting you are not scum - for being comfortable in the spotlight?

The way you talk about me, at the very least, I would expect you to latch onto this stuff.

On February 07 2018 08:21 Mocsta wrote:
errrrrrr....

Im bussing Rsoultin ok.. stay boi. stay

On February 07 2018 08:20 Holyflare wrote:


why is this post bad?

On February 07 2018 04:49 darthfoley wrote:


You're wrong about this btw. I have no problem talking about people, or reading cases that make sense and are succinct in their points. This includes rsoultin, who I think is probably scum.

What I don't like or appreciate are long winded and bloviating cases in which someone makes circuitous arguments that could easily be summed up insofar as people miss or completely lose the point said individual is trying to make with their roundabout way of posting.

I'm proud of that example btw ^.

Mocsta uses 500 words to make a point that could be made in 50. It is my right to completely skip past his post if I should choose. But that is not the same as refusing to engage with the thread about the main "event" of the day. His posting reminds me of Shapelog in which his mafia strategy revolves around confusing or boring people to death by making long ass posts. It's how I felt he played last game, and I see similar methods in this game.

On February 07 2018 08:23 Mocsta wrote:
This is my problem with you this game, if you are town.
You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome.

Why does it have to be so black and white?

Im really perplexed by this.

On February 07 2018 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
And why does that make that post bad? You literally acknowledge you didn't want to talk about the game because of Mocsta's wall of text etc. I haven't even read his wall of text but Rayn is saying you have a scum read that you aren't pushing and you're not interested in getting involved with the game. I feel much the same way. It's the opposite of a bad post imo.

On February 07 2018 08:28 Koshi wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia
Didn't play in it

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia
Was judge. Dnu how hard I scumread you but at worst I nominated you.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi
didn't play init

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/519746-generic-mini-mafia
I was mafia in it. You were 15 times in my filter. 0 times I called you mafia.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge
didn't play init

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia
I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512552-palmars-purge-crisis-and-turmoil-in-liquidia
I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia





AND THE KICKER IS

YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually I figured it out though:

HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017

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These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back.
So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm.
I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years.

On February 07 2018 08:32 Holyflare wrote:


Perhaps you're misunderstanding. I, myself, feel that you are not interacting with the game AT ALL and are being a sideline person that does nothing and has nothing to say. Rayn has echoed that in that post that you linked. So, when Rayn says that you aren't interacting with the game you respond with you don't want to read posts like Mocsta's instead.

I'm pretty sure it is you who is misinterpreting things. Also needlessly insulting people. Probably mafia.

On February 07 2018 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
Let me get this really succinct and clear as a time line:

Rayn says that Darthfoley isn't talking about Rsoultin and that is okay if he does talk about other stuff.
Rayn says Darthfoley isn't talking about anything though.
Rayn says Darthfoley has a scum read he isn't pushing.
Darthfoley responds saying he would be happy to talk about stuff if it wasn't so long winded like Mocsta's posts.

In my eyes you have entirely misrepresented Rayn's argument and manipulated it to be you're not talking about Mocsta when in fact he's saying you're not participating in the game like you normally would as town. Rayn says it looks like you're on the sidelines posting about a scum read but not pushing it in the slightest (like you did last game with Mocsta).


So please, elaborate for my very dense brain why this is such a bad post that requires you to repeatedly insult an individual's talent and intellect.

On February 06 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote:


2 and 3 are good points. 1 is not.

On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.

On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.

I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.

Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.

Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.

Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.

other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point.

On February 07 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think I really ever flame the fuck out of other players but okay.

You should probably realise why people scum read you though and acknowledge that they shouldn't be put down for it. You have mentioned how you've been shot night 1 repeatedly as town and from what I've played with you you have been a good player. So, when you don't post as much and aren't at the forefront of this game ready to be a prime shot target night 1 this game then naturally people are going to be suspicious of you. It's not a slight on your character, it's an admirable thing to be called mafia for. It means you're generally good.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and let you do some more things (like push Rsoultin and Mocsta) and I'll re-evaluate when it comes to needing to do that. Hope that's okay.

On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:
Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.
Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.
The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent).

Pray tell me though.
Do you see anything towny about damdred so far?
Flu or not.
Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better.

On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote:
You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard.

On February 07 2018 09:26 Mocsta wrote:
I didnt even know Rels was in this game lol.

DF is really salty, and I was treating that as enjoying spotlight, but perhaps is just bitter prick about being scum twice in a row.

You are continuing to misconstrue everything I say. I havent decided Damdred is the best lynch.

hmmmm, im starting to see rsoultin/damdred/df team with conversion as SK.

On February 07 2018 19:20 Mocsta wrote:
excuse me? what is not alignment indicative?


and.. you are 1 vote of 13. get used to ppl not sucking you off.

On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:


I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read.

On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin).

On February 07 2018 20:09 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

The thing i find odd with trfel is that he spent all this time deeply analysing conversion and darthfoley to then sheep conversion read.

However he has not performed any deep analysos on rsoultin.

This to me is non characyeristic.

On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote:

I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it

About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying

On February 07 2018 20:13 Mocsta wrote:
tell me. Is rayn always so self centred?

Ps. I like HF this game. Same vibe as last

On February 07 2018 20:20 Koshi wrote:
df can you please explain why you said:
"I believe your arguments are wrong"

You know his arguments are wrong. Because it are arguments that make you mafia. There is no wiggle room.

On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:

Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.

On February 07 2018 21:29 Conversion wrote:
I am awake and a lot has happened. I have glanced at new content, but will not post opinions and thoughts in case I miss something or make a mistake again until I am in front of a computer. It looks as if some people are moving away from a rsoultin lynch, could I get a quick summary of that? Besides Koshi, who is hard townreading rsoultin right now.

Also would like suggestions on who I should filter dive so I am not aimlessly diving people and wasting my time, if my thoughts would be valuable here.

@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?

On February 07 2018 21:53 prplhz wrote:
alright who on earth is Ian

On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote:
Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts..

I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon.

On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote:


Expanding upon this post, it is entirely possible that mderg and rsoultin is a TvT lynch. Which sucks. If I were to follow Koshi's logic, I should most likely lynch mderg over rsoultin because I think I have the ability to read her more than him. However, I'm not sold on that because I'm not great at reading people.

Hmm. I have a meeting until an hour before deadline. Will be back by then.

On February 08 2018 03:21 Koshi wrote:
Well if both mderg and rsoultin are town we have to start looking at rayn and HF who has been avoiding each other I feel like. Not sure if that is completely correct but when I didn't do anything they did push this thread towards a place I didn't like. Which is darthfoley/rsoultin mafia.

I don't buy that.

I might be wrong though.

On February 08 2018 03:36 prplhz wrote:
And I believe that I am town so that's the three most likely lynches out of the window an hour before deadline.

Who's up for shennanies???

On February 08 2018 03:39 prplhz wrote:
Lets lynch like Trfel or... Rels?

On February 08 2018 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Just lynch mderg. Easy.


Quick question for brownie points:
Who has received the most (easy) townreads from different players in this game.

I think I know and it is weird. Got to look into that.

On February 07 2018 23:23 prplhz wrote:

Kind of like this post.

On February 08 2018 03:36 prplhz wrote:
And I believe that I am town so that's the three most likely lynches out of the window an hour before deadline.

Who's up for shennanies???

On February 08 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote:


If you are saying this point I brought up is bringing your opinion of me down, I am just saying I feel as if this could be a possibility. Who knows, though.

On February 08 2018 04:34 rsoultin wrote:


This is blatantly misrepresenting my play given the whole reason I was even on scum D1 last game rather than BTDT was due to my two top townreads either townreading BTDT (Damdred) or scumreading you (KSC).

On February 06 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote:


2 and 3 are good points. 1 is not.

On February 08 2018 04:42 darthfoley wrote:


lmao I made this post and you acknowledged it before you even touched rsoultin in your filter. Stop lying man

On February 08 2018 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=20#383

??

On February 08 2018 04:45 Holyflare wrote:


No wagon forms until I elaborated and posted about it. Which is again what rayn scum reads you for. You're trying to take credit for my push but you didn't push anything.

On February 08 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
"I scum read her first!" is also SUCH a bs retort to my question on why am I not town to you when I'm pushing and did in fact start the wagon on rsoul, your biggest scum read.

Saying you did it first means nothing. If I did push your scum read I should be much higher up your town list and more importantly your shade throwing at me shouldn't exist because all I've done is push your scum read!

On February 08 2018 04:50 Holyflare wrote:


I have all game boi :D

On February 08 2018 04:45 rsoultin wrote:


Oh, yeah that. That was pretty shit actually lol. Half of it was based on this idea that my ritoky scumread was an association read.

On February 08 2018 04:51 rsoultin wrote:








!!!!!

On February 08 2018 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't need to consolidate on anything though. If I have to I'll save rsoul because she types words though.

On February 08 2018 04:57 Conversion wrote:


He did mention a page-ish back that he would consolidate to lynch non-talkers over talkers.

Or something like that.

On February 08 2018 05:06 Damdred wrote:
hi buddy!

also good lynch, super interesting that he made the move to push off of rsoultin and didnt vote to save himself.

On February 08 2018 05:08 darthfoley wrote:
Framer/RB/Goon?

roleblocker!rsoultin

ez game ez life

On February 08 2018 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
C o n f i r m e d

Damdred vote so bad but it might also have been onto mafia

On February 08 2018 05:15 rsoultin wrote:


To be fair, Rayn has been harping on me and df all day.

Iaaaaan wtf man?

On February 08 2018 05:18 Damdred wrote:


this is literally misrepresentation. I voted rsoultin with a few se onds to go and the vote was 5-3 with no movement...

thats not close when rsoultim would need three votes.

On February 08 2018 05:21 rsoultin wrote:


Lol >< gut says you. Especially with the shit you were giving HF.

I guess it could be Conversion though with how he made a show of waffling in thread and then took my post and ran with it. Also felt the need to defer responsibility to me for staying on me. Still think his case on me is more likely to come from town, though.

On February 08 2018 05:25 Damdred wrote:


nope it was impossible for anyone else besides mderg.

What do you make of that?

On February 08 2018 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry df youre not mafia.
rsoultin however is.

On February 08 2018 06:37 Damdred wrote:


If rs is town it makes rhe game mind boggling why mafia wouldnt save mderg unless the othwr two mafia were on rs. but i dont quite see it

On February 08 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta and Koshi also look good because of the flip I think

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:19 disformation wrote:
something def is weird.
there were too many ppl who at some point had both rsoultin and mderg in their scum list or "i could vote for either". or were waffling between the too.
not necessarily scummy. i would have prolly waffled like a mofo as well.
but i guess at least:
trfel, Mocsta, Conversion, Damdred
could prolly have voted for either.
(havent checked everyone yet,)

On February 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< You're telling me.

I mean, once I flip town (or cop checks me) people need to look into darth foley.

He showed his colors a bit when Holyflare decided to jump on the mderg wagon, and had the narrative out so fast it practically looked prepped. I don't know about the third but it pretty much has to be him.

On February 08 2018 07:50 Koshi wrote:

It isn't. Great play even.

On February 08 2018 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Don't get me wrong cyborg conversion, you're playing a great game but I just miss the old conversion you know?

On February 08 2018 07:56 Holyflare wrote:


That's not specifically why I voted like I did though is it?

On February 08 2018 08:14 Mocsta wrote:
thats interesting actually.
framer probably makes it unlikely that there is a godfather. but to compensate, a miller could make a lot of sense.
If so, well played Koshi. Last time I was self-aware miller, I claimed in first post. But you played it well. I have no doubt if you came up red that you are town.

im hesitant for vig to fire tonight on possibility of SK.
Could potentially lose 3 townies in 1 night.. I think risk is too high.
Its highly likely mafia still have an RB.. which is more valuable than framer because of SK and is probably rsoultin lololololol.. explains the immediate early day1 draw to SK insertion.

On February 08 2018 08:27 Koshi wrote:

She isn't likely that at all.

On February 08 2018 08:32 Koshi wrote:

rayn simply doesn't have anything going for him that makes him look town. his effort the first 24 hours were decent but like I said he can do it to steer town to the wrong direction.

And that quote I posted. In which he says both mderg and prplhz are not mafia.
I am EXTREMELY annoyed that prplhz is named there. It feels so bad. So out of place.

On February 08 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:
darthfoley betrayed me as well.
It has been well over a year a townread him correctly and fast when we are both town. But the love is not mutual. He calls me mafia sometimes and doesn't sheep me.
No love.

On February 09 2018 01:23 Holyflare wrote:


Damdred is mafia for this whole post. You don't have the mderg wagon being full of pure people but simultaneously think both wagons were mafia. My vote absolutely looks like credit grabbing in that world. I had a case on rsoul and voted the leading wagon?

Nah

Don't buy it at all. Damdred is my lynch.

On February 09 2018 07:07 ritoky wrote:
like if df is mafia it is because he didn't have a good reason to read rels town, but then i made one up for him and put it in his mouth and he agreed to it. but if he was legit angle shooting, he is le town.

i have faith in humanity, so town.

On February 09 2018 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean by this?

On February 09 2018 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

rofl. are you seriously using this as anything? :D

On February 09 2018 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So what did you mean by it?

On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.

On February 10 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
That person is damdred I'm afraid.

On February 10 2018 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to talk directly to you Holyflare because talking to Koshi is like talking to a brick. It is quite funny actually that when Koshi happens to be right D1, if he doesn't die during night 1 the town is more likely to lose the game since he feels like a champion and completely unable to listen to anyone else. I tried for a while during N1 but then i decided to throw because i never even got to my point Koshi just pushed whatever he thinks was the correct idea. I am gonna try once more, if this goes to deaf ears then for all i care you can murder me because i don't really feel like playing let's see if Koshi finds mafia game.

What i tried to heavily imply during night 1 is to not cop check rsoultin. I am not sure if there is a normal cop who checked rsoultin but a green on her should always be claimed (obviously red too -- but green yes, only on her). The reason is that rsoultin, if not confirmed green, is always the bast lynch D2. It doesn't even fucking matter if she flips town. Always lynch the counter-wagon who mafia refused to vote on to save themselves, always.

Option 1: rsoultin flips town
We can, in this situation always assume that everyone on mderg wagon are town. Mocsta could maybe bus but who cares, that's for later, never care about that until lylo. That leaves the following people, who either voted for rsoultin or off-wagon:

Damdred
darthfoley
disformation
Conversion
raynpelikoneet
prplhz

You have a pool of 6 people who can be mafia.
- If you have 2 blues in those, game over. Town wins.
- If you have 1 blue in those, game over, town wins (2 lynches until lylo and mislynch every time -> 2 mafia 1 town in that pool in lylo) almost always, only retarded town loses here.
- If you have zero blues there you have to actually make reads..... Let's see what we have here very quickly:

Damdred - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
darthfoley - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
disformation - hasn't said anything, i don't even know if he has scumreads
Conversion - Koshi sheeple and master of inconsistancies
raynpelikoneet - you can think whatever you want
prplhz - he could have technically even saved mderg with him, so is extremely unlike to be mafia

The thing is, if you can even rule out ONE person there, who isn't mafia, you win the game. I can rule out fucking 3, easily. The dudes who push the anti-mafia idea. Ironically Koshi's lynch list at the moment is the three people who push the correct town play aka me/df/damdred. So yeah, go listen to Koshi if you want to.

Option 2: rsoultin flips mafia
Game opens up a lot, but who cares, we lynched mafia.

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The thing is Holyflare, rn three people say very very stupid stuff. rsoultin, Mocsta and disformation.

disformation made a post where he suggested that i am mafia and i was either trying to bus df (over rsoultin lynch), or trying to find an alternative lynch. Vote situation at the time 5 on rsoultin, some random 1's on some random other people. You srsly think that conclusion makes any fucking sense in any world at all? Then there is his conversion read and how he ended up reading conversion and how he ended up explaining himself after. It smells super fucking bs.

I genuinely believe Mocsta has slipped. Deal with it. I could possibly back off from that but everything that comes out of his keyboard so far is either copy of someone else or taking some post and inventing a (horrible) scum reasoning for it. Then there is the post where his #1 scumread (me) tells him that, and he somehow gets offended??? OF course i am trying to shit on his reads if i am mafia. I get Damdred getting emotionally "too invested" in the game and taking offense on something he shouldn't, but Mocsta, who himself continuosly tells other people they are bad? No fucking way.

I don't even care to write about rsoultin because i don't see a single townie thing she has done this game. Koshi sees all the townie things ofc but i don't, so there is that.

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I only made my promise to Koshi because i was very annoyed at him, and i still am. If you happen to realize i have all day been sarcastic about it. I don't care what Koshi says, i don't care what he does, he can try to solve the game by himself if he wants to. Maybe he even can. But that will happen without me as he doesn't do anything but shit on everything someone he doesn't like in this game for whatever reason says.

So yeah, there is that.

#unvote
##vote rsoultin
I don't care what alignment she is, it is just the correct play based on D1 end.
Do whatever you want to, my vote stays.

On February 11 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote:


You haven't even commented on the inconsistencies? Why did rsoul join your scum team and why is your main scum team rsoul and rayn when rayn is pushing rsoul and vice versa?

On February 10 2018 09:16 darthfoley wrote:


Maybe I sheep you. Idk if you are ever mafia with this post.

On February 11 2018 05:05 Holyflare wrote:


This is not my point at all. You said damdred and rayn looked really bad for the votes on rsoul and then magically rsoultin came back into being mafia WITH rayn despite rayn wanting to lynch rsoultin!

So, why did rayn look bad while simultaneously voting for someone you thought was mafia!

On February 11 2018 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
And why are you confirmed town?

On February 11 2018 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
The whole interaction was you trying to claim credit for the original read imo

On February 11 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:


Do you think it happened again? :D

On February 11 2018 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think the final mafia is one voting for Damdred.

On February 11 2018 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because you didn't vote for rsoultin.

Actually Mocsta probably isn't mafia.

On February 11 2018 08:49 Koshi wrote:
I havent read last 6 pages or so but I can say my paranoia is running rampant. I dont know atm. Pure gut. I am now 100% sure rayn is town. And then Mocsta. And probably the first 3 votes on rsoultin.

If I had to guess one of the last votes on rsoultin is mafia. But that is pure 100% guessing.

On February 11 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
Its clicked for me

Darthfoley is last scum

Also explains trfel nk.
I treated him as pussy scum prior but this game he came in and rsoultin was already heat. So explains why therw is deviation in my expected play.

Few other things but thats all i can be bothered to write.

On February 11 2018 22:24 Holyflare wrote:
unless the mafia are contained in rayn/koshi/mocsta then the game is over

On February 11 2018 15:57 Mocsta wrote:
I think this also clears ritoky.

Note the addition of mderg @ the top which is classic scum play to hedge a set of reads with a team member; again a heuristic to strengthen a town read on: conversion + ritoky.

The DF support is very interesting - in particular the phrasing.
Note the thread sentiment at this point in time:
- trfel = heaps of town cred
- trfel scum reading DF. Several agree with this.
- rsoultin could easily bandwagon; but instead we get "kinda towny' (which equally means "kinda scummy") and a scum push on AFK ritoky.

Hey hey.. look its Marco the soft bus!!



Do yourself a favour and ctrl+f "darth" or "df" within Rsoultin filter

On February 12 2018 00:14 Conversion wrote:


Yeah, but you’re obligated to say that even if you were mafia.

/eyebrow raise

On February 12 2018 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
Df who mafia?

Disfo who mafia?

On February 12 2018 03:48 Conversion wrote:


Am I mafia by process of elimination? If not I am curious to hear your reasons as to why I am mafia.

On February 12 2018 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Jesus christ you both keep all your options open don't you?

On February 12 2018 04:11 disformation wrote:
like I still have a bad feeling about voting damdy. dunno why.
prplhz is playing an extremely no fucks given at all game if he is scum.
don't think its hf, mocsta, ritoky, rayn.

leaves conv and df. need to reread d1 of both. think df is just a tad more likely just for being on mderg not rs? but again need to reread.

and if its none of those it might be koshi?

On February 12 2018 03:58 Holyflare wrote:


So you're saying I'm potentially mafia that cased my team mate to lynch my other team mate who I hadn't talked about and who was also a role?

On February 08 2018 05:02 Skynx wrote:

Day One Final Vote Count

mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Koshi (1): Holyflare, Trfel
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg, rsoultin
prplhz (1):: Koshi, rsoultin
Conversion (0): rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg
ritoky (0): rsoultin


Not Voting (1): Rels

mderg is the lynch.

On February 12 2018 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
game is over i have a different check on df and prplhz.

On February 07 2018 00:07 Koshi wrote:
I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg.

mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better.

##vote mdreg

On February 12 2018 05:06 prplhz wrote:
i'm doc, saved mocsta then koshi

On February 12 2018 05:09 Conversion wrote:
does parody cop or whatever return different checks on blues? also who saves Koshi over rayn on that might :l

On February 12 2018 05:10 Conversion wrote:
Like does VT check and blue check return a difference?

On February 12 2018 05:11 Conversion wrote:
also if prplhz is mafia then I played a decent game. My first decent one

On February 12 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
ah no. I think mocsta hasn't posted yet.

eh whatevs. will check tomorrow.

On February 12 2018 05:19 Holyflare wrote:
parity cop vs framer is weak af, I believe prplhz

On February 12 2018 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Who gives a crap? If you flip unaware miller then prplhz is town doctor. If you flip vt prplhz is mafia. Nothing more to it.

On February 12 2018 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The reason why i think Holyflare is our final mafia here is the following:

I went back to read the D1 from ppl's filters, and actually properly read it. I am going to assume the following things from D1:


That's the final votecount from D1. What we know from there is this:
Mafia bussed real hard. The only people who are not confirmed town are on not confirmed mafia are our flipped mafia. So regardless of who is mafia they have bussed super hard (since disformation is town the final mafia is in the active players).

Now what i do believe is that the the reason for mderg to refuse to vote rsoultin is that the mafia thinks they win more often with rsoultin alive. I also think the mafia thinks the people on rsoultin are easier to lynch in total than the people on mderg. Anyone, just anyone could have claimed "credit" by switching from rsoultin to mderg (like Holyflare did), yet the people on rsoultin refused to do so. Honestly what i just said is just better play as scum and more likely to come from mafia than anything anyone on rsoultin did.

I mean, at this point mafia is 100% getting lynched. There is absolutely no reason to stay on rsoultin because mderg flipping mafia doesn't make rsoultin town (darthfoley and Damdred realized this). The better play is just to "hammer mafia" and then say "maybe i was wrong on rsoultin" and try to paint her as town for the following phases.

First of all, on Holyflare, is that. The vote switch is actually scummy lol (more on this below).

Secondly is this; If you go to rsoultin's filter and know something about her scum play you will notice this. She likes to put all other things aside when she's defending herself. If you read her filter almost everything is her defending herself until i tell her to prove she is town by scumhunting. What is weird about Holyflare regarding this is that rsoultin defends against everyone else's cases than Holyflares!!! Literally, big rants with Mocsta, big rants with me, stuff with Conversion, stuff with darthfoley, no stuff... literally zero stuff with Holyflare. This is what she says about Holyflare:



Then there is some soft comments about what other people did regarding Holyflare's read on her, but never confronting him about anything, ever. Here is the last game filter for Tina, you don't even need to go further that first page to see the above and how she treats Holyflare this game is completely bullshit. I honestly didn't even see those posts earlier, i just didn't care about Holyflare because he was gunning for rsoultin so i didn't care.

Now i must say, this is not a good reason to call Holyflare scum. I mean what rsoultin did is not a reason why Holyflare is scum, but the reason is that Holyflare should have noticed this and called rsoultin mafia for it, and do it fucking hard. Because when someone acts super scummy towards you then they are mafia. If Holyflare is town in this game he should have realized that for whatever reason rsoultin is scared to call him any alignment ever in this game and gunned her down for it, 100%.

Then there is Holyflare's vote swtich from rsoultin to mderg. Here are the facts:
- Holyflare has a super big scumread on rsoultin
- Holyflare has never really talked anything about mderg
- The vote switch happens when it is 100% certain that mafia is getting lynched no matter what

Here is what Holyflare has said about mderg:
mderg's only scumread at this point is rsoultin who is Holyflare's #1 scumread. Ant this is funny because:

So df should notice that HF has said stuff (and tbh i was the one that created rsoultin lynch, not holyflare), but he doesn't have to recognize mderg's #1 scumread is the same that his (which btw happened before HF even scumread rsoultin).

Then this happens:




Here's the reason Holyflare decided to vote for mderg over rsoultin:

His biggest fucking scumread he is so proud of he needs to shout other people HE is the one who created the wagon and NEVER anyone else and everyone is sheeping him, can be excused on D1 over a dude he doesn't have any clue what he even wrote???????????? This is literally bullshit, lite-fucking-rally. And for the record the words rsoultin typed after Holyflare made the "you have 4 pages of filter and nothing in there" continued to be absolutely nothing so the vote switch in itself makes no fucking sense at all.

Come day 2 and i made my case on rsoultin. Holyflare instantly agrees. Then this happens:

But he didn't manage to vote rsoultin over a dude he doesn't even remember what they wrote.

rsoultin never does this.

Mmmm now it's the other way around than it was in the first quote?

Like..... I understand the reasons Holyflare was voting for Damdred for. But i don't understand how he fucking ends up on Damdred over rsoultin here. Once again it doesn't make any fucking sense since with logic he should end up on rsoultin. Another thing to note here is that he sees many many "scummy stuff" other people do but never anything on rsoultin, never, it is always just a generic read of "i think she is scum but i vote for this other guy". And i fell like Holyflare as town would have always voted for rsoultin D1, and D2, over what he did.

Two more points, a bit minor though but still a point. from D3 this:
- Holyflare never even registers the point i made in my rsoultin case D2. The point is that as mafia, Damdred and darthfoley were pushing an anti-mafia idea from the beginning of N1. Ne never touches this with even a long stick, he never actually reconsiders he can be wrong here (when he most likely is).
- Second point, he says this after my claim:

When HF makes stupid jokes like this he is mafia. He did in the last game i played when he was mafia. I can look it up if you want to, but it always makes me feel something is wrong about this guy when he does it and while it's not really a reason to call him mafia it probably should be because it has always been correct. This is just a retarded thing to even suggest and i am quite sure he can make the obvious conclusion that "if rayn is alive at lylo then just lynch him". Notice that only mafia knows i am lying here about the check on prplhz / df, and i realize it must be fucking annoying when your possible mislynches towntell and you can do nothing about it. I think this is the result.

#vote Holyflare