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raynpelikoneet
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On February 11 2018 05:34 disformation wrote: so without a lot of doublechecking/filtering i'd say its probably either damdy or conv. why would yo uthink conversion is scum? | ||
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If someone has something to say / ask then ask. Can't promise i will read the thread until monday morning. | ||
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On February 11 2018 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Rayn just read my case on damdred. There is no way he is not mafia now that I reread it. He has simultaneously said that the mocsta wagon is pure while scum reading rsoultin. He then tried to patch over the story multiple times. He basically slipped that rsoul was mafia. Maybe you are right but i don't think we should lynch Damdred tomorrow in any case. I know i pre-emptively agreed with your point earlier yesterday but the fact is Damdred voted for mafia. idk, do you think Damdred went all bus all game strategy? Which means all mafia went all bus strategy all game? Why? | ||
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On February 11 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: hmmm though after looking at convs filter again... he was super focused on rsoultin for the like first 2 pages of his filter... not sure if he is one to bus a teampartner hard like this at the start of the day. Anyone in the rsoultin wagon saves rsoultin by voting for Damdred with her. EVERYONE in the rsoultin wagon is people who did NOT vote for mderg D1. And Mocsta. Everyone on Damdred was "confirmed town" and then Koshi's confirmed town disformation. There is no reason not to change the vote to Damdred because you "just followed confirmed town". I think rsoultin just wants us to lynch Damdred. | ||
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On February 11 2018 05:51 disformation wrote: not sure I completely understand, but in the end you are saying, that rs tried to set damdred up by voting not damdred on D2? I am saying the most logical answer to me is that if any of the people (aside from Mocsta) was mafia, they could have killed Damdred instead of rsoultin just by "well i was wrong on D1 so i will now sheep ritoky/Holyflare who lynched mafia D1" - reasoning. Instead they decided to follow thread sentiment #2 scumread me. So they are not mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2018 06:09 prplhz wrote: No, but I think it's weird that everybody seemed to forget about Conversion or something. I think both are good lynches. Do you still think Conversion is good lynch? If not, who is? | ||
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On February 11 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote: Damdred refrained from reading rsoultin anything for a long time iirc. It was only when he returned and was up for lynch that he said she "improved a lot" since he got back. Then magically she's a scum read? His progression doesn't make sense imo. It's just opportune scum reads. He has absolutely 0 clout after I scum read him today so he was just defending. Then you came in and cased his buddy and he just moved to that. HF, i also cannot find a single good reason why Damdred votes for rsoutlin over mderg there on D1 as scum. Can you see the spot he put himself in after that? Think about the alternative..... I will promise you though that i will read your stuff on Damdred and his posts related to them in case i live. | ||
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disformation made a post where he suggested that i am mafia and i was either trying to bus df (over rsoultin lynch), or trying to find an alternative lynch. Vote situation at the time 5 on rsoultin, some random 1's on some random other people. You srsly think that conclusion makes any fucking sense in any world at all? I am going to remind everyone of this post. Because what disformation says there is that i wanted to find an alternative lynch to rsoultin, which doesn't make any sense, unless guess what? | ||
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On February 11 2018 05:01 Calix wrote: Day Two Final Vote Count rsoultin (5): raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, Conversion, darthfoley, Damdred Damdred (3): Holyflare, raynpelikoneet (0): Conversion (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): Koshi, rsoultin Mocsta (0): Not Voting (0): rsoultin is the lynch! Damdred is the only one in rsoultin wagon who by changing their vote doesn't save rsoultin. Conversion is probably never mafia anyways since he was busy on end half of D2, told Koshi before he would sheep him but instead decided to sheep his scumread on mafia, lol. This guy is never mafia. I just don't believe Koshi is mafia. prplhz is blue. disformation is conftown. ritoky seems town. So either Damdred or Holyflare. Well technically darthfoley too could be scum but i seriously think he would have conceded especially after prplhz claimed doc. My and prplhz's alignments are gonna be confirmed anyways so if one of us is alive at lylo plz feel free to lynch. I am gonna write about Holyflare in a couple of hours, i am not sure if need to write about Damdred since much of it has been said already, but i can do that too later on. Gotta do something in the meantime so i'll be back in like 1,5-2 hrs. | ||
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I went back to read the D1 from ppl's filters, and actually properly read it. I am going to assume the following things from D1: On February 08 2018 05:03 Skynx wrote: Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): prplhz (0):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): Not Voting (1): Rels mderg is the lynch. That's the final votecount from D1. What we know from there is this: Mafia bussed real hard. The only people who are not confirmed town are on not confirmed mafia are our flipped mafia. So regardless of who is mafia they have bussed super hard (since disformation is town the final mafia is in the active players). Now what i do believe is that the the reason for mderg to refuse to vote rsoultin is that the mafia thinks they win more often with rsoultin alive. I also think the mafia thinks the people on rsoultin are easier to lynch in total than the people on mderg. Anyone, just anyone could have claimed "credit" by switching from rsoultin to mderg (like Holyflare did), yet the people on rsoultin refused to do so. Honestly what i just said is just better play as scum and more likely to come from mafia than anything anyone on rsoultin did. I mean, at this point mafia is 100% getting lynched. There is absolutely no reason to stay on rsoultin because mderg flipping mafia doesn't make rsoultin town (darthfoley and Damdred realized this). The better play is just to "hammer mafia" and then say "maybe i was wrong on rsoultin" and try to paint her as town for the following phases. First of all, on Holyflare, is that. The vote switch is actually scummy lol (more on this below). Secondly is this; If you go to rsoultin's filter and know something about her scum play you will notice this. She likes to put all other things aside when she's defending herself. If you read her filter almost everything is her defending herself until i tell her to prove she is town by scumhunting. What is weird about Holyflare regarding this is that rsoultin defends against everyone else's cases than Holyflares!!! Literally, big rants with Mocsta, big rants with me, stuff with Conversion, stuff with darthfoley, no stuff... literally zero stuff with Holyflare. This is what she says about Holyflare: On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote: You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote: Holyflare is whatever the fuck. I can never tell even when I care. Then there is some soft comments about what other people did regarding Holyflare's read on her, but never confronting him about anything, ever. Here is the last game filter for Tina, you don't even need to go further that first page to see the above and how she treats Holyflare this game is completely bullshit. I honestly didn't even see those posts earlier, i just didn't care about Holyflare because he was gunning for rsoultin so i didn't care. Now i must say, this is not a good reason to call Holyflare scum. I mean what rsoultin did is not a reason why Holyflare is scum, but the reason is that Holyflare should have noticed this and called rsoultin mafia for it, and do it fucking hard. Because when someone acts super scummy towards you then they are mafia. If Holyflare is town in this game he should have realized that for whatever reason rsoultin is scared to call him any alignment ever in this game and gunned her down for it, 100%. Then there is Holyflare's vote swtich from rsoultin to mderg. Here are the facts: - Holyflare has a super big scumread on rsoultin - Holyflare has never really talked anything about mderg - The vote switch happens when it is 100% certain that mafia is getting lynched no matter what Here is what Holyflare has said about mderg: I think it's more that I don't remember anything mderg has posted and that resonated with how I felt about him last game. mderg's only scumread at this point is rsoultin who is Holyflare's #1 scumread. Ant this is funny because:On February 08 2018 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Mate you having a fucking laugh? Your biggest scum read is started by a wagon on reasoning I created. This is so bad. I also made a giant collection of where are rsoul conversion reads case?? So df should notice that HF has said stuff (and tbh i was the one that created rsoultin lynch, not holyflare), but he doesn't have to recognize mderg's #1 scumread is the same that his (which btw happened before HF even scumread rsoultin). Then this happens: On February 08 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote: I'll vote to save the talking people to kill the non talking people. Honestly haven't been able to catch up and read into mderg or prplhz though. Just finishing work On February 08 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote: I don't care if mderg is town and getting lynched though. On February 08 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote: I haven't read him. Here's the reason Holyflare decided to vote for mderg over rsoultin: On February 08 2018 04:53 Holyflare wrote: I don't need to consolidate on anything though. If I have to I'll save rsoul because she types words though. His biggest fucking scumread he is so proud of he needs to shout other people HE is the one who created the wagon and NEVER anyone else and everyone is sheeping him, can be excused on D1 over a dude he doesn't have any clue what he even wrote???????????? This is literally bullshit, lite-fucking-rally. And for the record the words rsoultin typed after Holyflare made the "you have 4 pages of filter and nothing in there" continued to be absolutely nothing so the vote switch in itself makes no fucking sense at all. Come day 2 and i made my case on rsoultin. Holyflare instantly agrees. Then this happens: On February 10 2018 08:34 Holyflare wrote: I also think rsoultin is a good vote too. No idea where she's at on any read whatsoever. My case about her conversion read day 1 still stands and her mderg read progression is even worse. But he didn't manage to vote rsoultin over a dude he doesn't even remember what they wrote. On February 10 2018 09:28 Holyflare wrote: I want rsoultin to make a case for me to vote rayn. And also explain damdred. rsoultin never does this. On February 11 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote: I don't think rsoultin is mafia purely based on mderg's multiple interactions with her. Seems like 50% of his filter is arguing with her. Mmmm now it's the other way around than it was in the first quote? Like..... I understand the reasons Holyflare was voting for Damdred for. But i don't understand how he fucking ends up on Damdred over rsoultin here. Once again it doesn't make any fucking sense since with logic he should end up on rsoultin. Another thing to note here is that he sees many many "scummy stuff" other people do but never anything on rsoultin, never, it is always just a generic read of "i think she is scum but i vote for this other guy". And i fell like Holyflare as town would have always voted for rsoultin D1, and D2, over what he did. Two more points, a bit minor though but still a point. from D3 this: - Holyflare never even registers the point i made in my rsoultin case D2. The point is that as mafia, Damdred and darthfoley were pushing an anti-mafia idea from the beginning of N1. Ne never touches this with even a long stick, he never actually reconsiders he can be wrong here (when he most likely is). - Second point, he says this after my claim: On February 12 2018 07:10 Holyflare wrote: Btw if darthfoley is town I'm lynching rayn tomorrow. When HF makes stupid jokes like this he is mafia. He did in the last game i played when he was mafia. I can look it up if you want to, but it always makes me feel something is wrong about this guy when he does it and while it's not really a reason to call him mafia it probably should be because it has always been correct. This is just a retarded thing to even suggest and i am quite sure he can make the obvious conclusion that "if rayn is alive at lylo then just lynch him". Notice that only mafia knows i am lying here about the check on prplhz / df, and i realize it must be fucking annoying when your possible mislynches towntell and you can do nothing about it. I think this is the result. #vote Holyflare | ||
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