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On January 26 2018 20:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt. the only benefit of this is a vet Mafia can rb themselves too Wifom indeed Scum decides what the roleblock target is. So you CANNOT use it as something to create reads. Scum will ask themselves the question: "What's the most favorable thing we can do with the roleblock ?" If that's roleblocking BTDT because then it's weird that BTDT is roleblocked and becomes a lynch candidat because of that, they will do it. TLDR: dont' base any read on something the scum have 100% control on. Cause they thought about the implications before you. that is an interestimg point to consider
As mentioned i will review hf and kmatt equally
Bith in my mind will be innocent until proven guilty
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I also thought BTDT being roleblocked is weird yesterday, being re-thinking about it it's not worth considering. Maybe he's scum and is faking this to gain towncred. Maybe scum didn't realize their target would be notified. Maybe they did it for the WIFOM "wait why would they RB BTDT" to try and create chaos. Not worth thinking about it.
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Yes, tldr is ignore the rb stuff entirely and focus on actual gameplay.
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JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again  I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.
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Ohh thanks rels
I feel super aweaome on my bastille day equivalent...
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Having said that
Twat was towny
But jat has done a very good follow up to be even townier and lead the defeat of a fake claim
So wkll say the same
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On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.
Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p
Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time.
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On January 26 2018 20:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him. No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there. You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia???? since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play. I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this.
No, it doesn't prove anything at all but it's my honest thought process. That's all I've done this game is outline my thoughts and how I've behaved and why. If you don't believe it and say I'm mafia then it's whatever but this is a pointless discussion that you always accuse me of because it's my town word vs your narrative about me being mafia.
Like I said, I'm probably going to be lynched but that's absolutely fine, stop wasting your time on it. You're going to be wrong so let's talk about other people and why they're mafia. Like Kmatt and why he can't produce a single credible read.
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On January 26 2018 20:48 Rels wrote:
and yeah, roleblocks target being notified is also not very frequent, so it's also possible scum didn't even know their target would get notified. That adds to the whole "let's not think about it" thing.
How deep have you gone. Shameful.
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On January 26 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:44 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him. No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there. You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia???? since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play. I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this. No, it doesn't prove anything at all but it's my honest thought process. That's all I've done this game is outline my thoughts and how I've behaved and why. If you don't believe it and say I'm mafia then it's whatever but this is a pointless discussion that you always accuse me of because it's my town word vs your narrative about me being mafia. Like I said, I'm probably going to be lynched but that's absolutely fine, stop wasting your time on it. You're going to be wrong so let's talk about other people and why they're mafia. Like Kmatt and why he can't produce a single credible read.
Very well. Now we are talking.
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You think I'm mafia. It should be simple to point to something in the game that makes me mafia that I haven't explained and I'll tell you why I did what I did at any given point in the game. If you're unsure on me then it's the least you could do.
To everyone else that isn't quite so tunnelled please ask kmatt to do the same. Ask him for his thought process over his reads on n1 and then where his head was at throughout the game. Don't just let him cop out on his return and say hf is mafia because he hadn't mentioned me the entirety of the game and even this cycle said he wouldn't lynch me but now there's a push I'm up there.
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On January 26 2018 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped. Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time.
hehe p:
if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory
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On January 26 2018 21:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped. Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time. hehe p: if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory
That's the game.
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On January 26 2018 21:11 Holyflare wrote:
You think I'm mafia. It should be simple to point to something in the game that makes me mafia that I haven't explained and I'll tell you why I did what I did at any given point in the game. If you're unsure on me then it's the least you could do.
To everyone else that isn't quite so tunnelled please ask kmatt to do the same. Ask him for his thought process over his reads on n1 and then where his head was at throughout the game. Don't just let him cop out on his return and say hf is mafia because he hadn't mentioned me the entirety of the game and even this cycle said he wouldn't lynch me but now there's a push I'm up there. Sorry, I couldnt resist.. my q: pun intended?
but yes, i agree with this. information is only WIFOM after a flip, not before.
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Stop the press! I think btdt might be close to confirmed town.
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They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all
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On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:
They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all
lol I feel stupid for not thinking about it. 100% confirmed.
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Yeah, the whole debate was somewhat silly in retrospect...
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umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads
tahts an exact replica of what we discussed
hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum
yes 100% confirmed.
what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.
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On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads
tahts an exact replica of what we discussed
hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum
yes 100% confirmed.
what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.
no it's différent. Because if he's scum and faking being roleblocked, it means they roleblocked their kill target. Do you follow ? Why wouldn't they roleblock their kill target if they are not using the roleblock and thinks about fakeclaiming the roleblock anyway ?
But now we have the proof they DIDNT use the roleblock on their kill target. So if BTDT is scum, that means they didn't use the roleblock on anyone, which is very, very unlikely.
So BTDT is town.
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