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On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind
That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.
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On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.
Fine.
Why did the vote stay once you realized your error?
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On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.
lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.
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On January 26 2018 18:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 16:28 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me. I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out. You know perfectly well that I always reconsider. Also quit playing the victim. You aligned super hard with mafia and now people are suspicious of you, boohoo. You are better than that. I also never called your Kmatt stuff bad because I think you are mafia. It just does not convince me in a vacuum. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread. not a good idea Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy.Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy Like people already pointed out you will never lynch mafia HF then. HF has a lot of time to convince the one of Rels and myself that survives the night if he is town. Starting with some more analysis than "Kmatt is scum" now that we know 2/3 of the mafia team and can look for important interactions would be good. But right now I think it is too dangerous to lynch someone else. I don't think he we can let him live after his blatant agenda pushing this game and I have no confidence that people will lynch him later in the game.
"stop playing the victim, I always reconsider"
"it's too dangerous to lynch someone else"
:D :D :D
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On January 26 2018 20:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 18:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 26 2018 16:28 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me. I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out. You know perfectly well that I always reconsider. Also quit playing the victim. You aligned super hard with mafia and now people are suspicious of you, boohoo. You are better than that. I also never called your Kmatt stuff bad because I think you are mafia. It just does not convince me in a vacuum. On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread. not a good idea Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy.Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy Like people already pointed out you will never lynch mafia HF then. HF has a lot of time to convince the one of Rels and myself that survives the night if he is town. Starting with some more analysis than "Kmatt is scum" now that we know 2/3 of the mafia team and can look for important interactions would be good. But right now I think it is too dangerous to lynch someone else. I don't think he we can let him live after his blatant agenda pushing this game and I have no confidence that people will lynch him later in the game. "stop playing the victim, I always reconsider" "it's too dangerous to lynch someone else" :D :D :D
Pointless debate engaging noted. There is a reason I wrote "right now" before your second quote.
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On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.
No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there.
You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????
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On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him. No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there. You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????
I think it is possible that you never realized rbs were notified regardless of your aligment.
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I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt.
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On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt.
That's entirely possible. But if you rb someone other than your kill you definitely rb the same person again.
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I mean, it is unlikely that you alone decided the rb target if you are mafia. Maybe damerion did.
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On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt. the only benefit of this is a vet
Mafia can rb themselves too
Wifom indeed
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On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt. the only benefit of this is a vet Mafia can rb themselves too Wifom indeed
Nah, don't be silly. It is good in case of vet and you do not "confirm" anyone since the targets are notified. It's strictly better than rbing a mafia which noone would do in this situation. It would be really stupid.
The situation here is either btdt is mafia and they actually did rb their kills or btdt is town and they rbed him twice since they thought he could be a powerole.
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On January 26 2018 20:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt. That's entirely possible. But if you rb someone other than your kill you definitely rb the same person again. i think this verges on hf damdred issue of
I play this way
Anything else is scummy
One plausible option is that mafia thought btdt is a role but not worth an nk
Rb is a safe neutralisation
Another plausible option is that mafia are self claiming rb
Another plausible option is what you said
Its all wifom
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But considering how the day1 wagons went I doubt btdt is mafia.
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It is unlikely
Having saod that. Mafia day1 buses occur
It happened 2 newbies ago with tubesoxk and ritoky
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On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play
That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative. lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him. No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there. You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????
since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play.
I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this.
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On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt. the only benefit of this is a vet Mafia can rb themselves too Wifom indeed
Scum decides what the roleblock target is. So you CANNOT use it as something to create reads. Scum will ask themselves the question: "What's the most favorable thing we can do with the roleblock ?" If that's roleblocking BTDT because then it's weird that BTDT is roleblocked and becomes a lynch candidat because of that, they will do it.
TLDR: dont' base any read on something the scum have 100% control on. Cause they thought about the implications before you.
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and yeah, roleblocks target being notified is also not very frequent, so it's also possible scum didn't even know their target would get notified. That adds to the whole "let's not think about it" thing.
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