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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:21 GMT
#541
On December 14 2017 00:18 Arya321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:
him being LS also changes my read on him significantly. For example, not sure if I like LS going after Chez.

I didn't go after chez lmao. That was Kmatt.

yeah you're right, that is me getting people confused
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:22 GMT
#542
Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:22 GMT
#543
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.
Computer says mafia
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2017 15:24 GMT
#544
Ya since my Arya account just got flood controlled I just doing 1 post here and hope it clears in about 1 hour or so. Palmar what makes you so certain that Forumite is mafia?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:25 GMT
#545
On December 14 2017 00:02 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kmatt
Grackaroni
Conversion
Ayra321
prphlz
Eversince
DarthFoley

Forumite
Koshi
Oatsmaster
Holyflare
Palmar

This is approximately where I stand. I don't think I missed anyone. I honestly still don't have any scumreads until I see some flips or whatever, I still kinda think Oats is mafia based on his lack of giving shits and I'm really confused by Koshi's utter hatred of my playstyle. But it's whatever. I won't lynch anyone that's green and I would lynch anyone that's black. I'm in the process of narrowing it down to who I actually prefer to lynch now.
I´d like to put Kmatt in the black list, I don´t see any reason why he should be considered town. I tried to find the genuine anger at VE defending his target, whatever. Not enough for me.

On Koshi, what do you think is off with his play?

I´d like to lynch Oats today, or Palmar unless he gets in here talking. Or Kmatt. Right now there are too many undecided.


Last game as town Koshi did fuck all and was town. Maybe this is more his speed now, idk I refuse to go filter previous games of his because last I remember he just called people bad and stupid every game. There's a decided lack of bad and stupid this game coupled with a distinct difference between his last town game and this one. I refuse to townread Koshi today.

Kmatt is mostly gut based on his reaction to my strong townread on him early on. I'm certainly not interested in lynching him today, so in that regard he stays green to me.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:26 GMT
#546
On December 14 2017 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya since my Arya account just got flood controlled I just doing 1 post here and hope it clears in about 1 hour or so. Palmar what makes you so certain that Forumite is mafia?

lol
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:29 GMT
#547
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.

I mean I'M waiting. I'm on a wagon with him and agree with his scumread.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:32 GMT
#548
Also I'm making it my mission to not let you have your lynch today, so you're really just explaining why you want to lynch him tomorrow.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
December 13 2017 15:34 GMT
#549
I'm pretty wary of following Palmar's lynch after last game

I'd be okay with a Kmatt/Oats lynch today. I forget who my other scum reads were. I think I don't like HF's face but that's not a legit scum read
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
December 13 2017 15:34 GMT
#550
unless oats is gonna come back and bring the big gunz
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
December 13 2017 15:36 GMT
#551
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia.
Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2?
:3
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:42 GMT
#552
On December 13 2017 16:10 Holyflare wrote:
LightningStrike has made two accusatory posts this game. One that ve is weird/scummy for his oats read and one that I'm "stealing" a wagon on conversion and he doesn't lump me with koshi/df. When questioned on his scum reads none of those two things show up. That's scummy.

I like this from HF, except it's also like, EXACTLY the kind of thing mafiaHF looks for from a townie. Further, he's basically saying that he thinks LS is scummy because he doesn't think I'M scummy, except HF has said that he thinks I'm forced and hasn't said anything about me being mafia all game.

FUCKING WEIRD RIGHT?

Anyway I also have kinda a mafia read on HF, but it's a legit one. It's nothing to do with his face.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:44 GMT
#553
The case is this:

As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia.

The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples:

I already had noticed this post:

On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:
On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started

##Vote Palmar

Not my first pick, but this works.

##Vote Palmar

scummy


the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it.

On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:
On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:
On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started

##Vote Palmar

Not my first pick, but this works.

##Vote Palmar

scummy

I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something?

Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells?


Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on.

On December 12 2017 06:00 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 05:37 Kmatt wrote:
On the first day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me: surprise murder mystery!

Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night?



On December 12 2017 08:09 Forumite wrote:
Hi prplhz. Are you scum or town?


On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:
Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells?


On December 12 2017 22:45 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man this wagon is big. I feel like it's this bitcoin bubble that's about to burst, Palmar isn't gonna get lynched at all is he?!

Hi VE, what are your scumreads?


On December 13 2017 07:05 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 06:39 Grackaroni wrote:
This is going to sound pretty stupid but I could see teammates wanting to jump on scum Palmar as a distancing maneuver at the start of the day when there's little chance that votes would stay on him for the rest of the day.

Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm sensing some electrical discharge of the variety typically found in a thunder storm. If only I could put a name to it.
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 12 2017 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 12 2017 23:01 Palmar wrote:
On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote:
On December 12 2017 18:53 Palmar wrote:
On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote:
On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started

##Vote Palmar

Not my first pick, but this works.

##Vote Palmar

scummy

I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first.

On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote:
I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something?

Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells?

I never blue/blackhunt and the setup is closed?

stupid question.

Palmar read OP = mafia no?

Fuck man this opening has been so clean, the wagon so pure. I have no scumreads. Maybe Grack for starting such a pure and beautiful wagon?

Nooooo. I was just upset about Palmar's callous hijacking of your unicorn. I swears it.

Also I have pork chops. Lots of pork chops.
Would you please explain these two?


None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here:

On December 13 2017 19:19 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 19:09 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. It would be impressive if it was Conversion, Palmar and Chezinu.
Hi Koshi.

Is HF town?

What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this?


which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me.

He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic:

Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand.

He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much.

To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia:

1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers.
2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different direction


It's a rather good case.


Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:44 GMT
#554
On December 14 2017 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya since my Arya account just got flood controlled I just doing 1 post here and hope it clears in about 1 hour or so. Palmar what makes you so certain that Forumite is mafia?

Just wrote the case.

Reading the summary is enough, but I did decide to throw it all together in a large post for reference.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:47 GMT
#555
On December 14 2017 00:36 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia.
Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2?

get out of your shell scum.

Why on earth are you excusing me for calling you mafia. I'm fucking great at this, I should not be wrong when I'm convinced. If you're town you surely must consider I'm mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:48 GMT
#556
On December 14 2017 00:34 Conversion wrote:
I'm pretty wary of following Palmar's lynch after last game

I'd be okay with a Kmatt/Oats lynch today. I forget who my other scum reads were. I think I don't like HF's face but that's not a legit scum read


bitch I didn't read that one. I'm reading this one.

I actually made a case.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:49 GMT
#557
1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?"

2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction.

Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
December 13 2017 15:50 GMT
#558
On December 14 2017 00:48 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 00:34 Conversion wrote:
I'm pretty wary of following Palmar's lynch after last game

I'd be okay with a Kmatt/Oats lynch today. I forget who my other scum reads were. I think I don't like HF's face but that's not a legit scum read


bitch I didn't read that one. I'm reading this one.

I actually made a case.


your case was pretty spicy. better than last game for sure

not sure if I buy it 100% though. you and I agree on the same thing earlier, but have diverging views on the later half. probably because he's telling people to hop off my case and I'm biased because of that

but I'm also wary bc he's doing what Oats is doing but less abrasive
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 13 2017 15:52 GMT
#559
On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?"

2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction.

Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing?

It's not asking questions that is the problem

It's the intent with which they are asked, and the follow up that they generate.

I know you like people who think you're smart enough to be asked about shit, but it really is a futile excercise. I don't really know his meta, maybe this is just what he does, but it's completely antiproductive.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 13 2017 15:52 GMT
#560
On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?"

2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction.

Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing?

Anyone who is saying Palmar's case is good needs to answer these points for Palmar if he doesn't. Forumite MIGHT be mafia, but not for the reasons Palmar is saying here, and he's representing it as a good case.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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