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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:27 GMT
#301
Hello

@oats honestly I couldnt say I have never seen him roll scum, just town in the few we have played. So guesswork is all I can say.

more gut reads Tictac is going to be town for his tone and trying to catch up without hiding his thoughts. I liked him a bit. Especially that he was takimg stances.

I have fairly subsrantial town list but no real scum feeling yet meh
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:31 GMT
#302
On November 01 2017 23:27 Damdred wrote:
Hello

@oats honestly I couldnt say I have never seen him roll scum, just town in the few we have played. So guesswork is all I can say.

more gut reads Tictac is going to be town for his tone and trying to catch up without hiding his thoughts. I liked him a bit. Especially that he was takimg stances.

I have fairly subsrantial town list but no real scum feeling yet meh


Of the people posting so far, who do you like the least and why?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 14:39 GMT
#303
On November 01 2017 23:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)


EBWOP


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really


Says the guy that got triggered lol


that was a useful post. thanks for your 10/10 input. you are the thread sentiment right now. no one likes you, and you have 2 votes on you.

if you don't like facts, then get the fuck out of my face. thanks
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 14:40 GMT
#304
On November 01 2017 23:25 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)


EBWOP


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really


Why are you defending DF so hard anyway?
What’s in it for you?


I'm not defending DF I'm trying to explain that I don't understand/agree with you and krogan's reasons, so I'm asking questions
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:44 GMT
#305
Here’s my first impression aka people I like.

Happy krogan - naturally flowing, really getting into it with a game under his belt.
A lot more active now, seems excited to play.
Good town vibes.

Shockey - I’ve played with before as scum. From what I remember he was more timid then.
I don’t sense that here. I think he’s town.

Tick tock - I like tick tock. His string of posts shows he’s interested in having an opinion.
His thoughts are flowing well.
He’s a town lean.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 14:44 GMT
#306
On November 01 2017 23:07 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)


EBWOP


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really


I think there are enough points on you that one could say he jumped on an easy lynch.

Another possibility is of course that you are partners but I think he would bus you at least a little bit then.


Fair point. We are definitely not partners, because I am 1000% town. I read my PM diligently and saw green
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:46 GMT
#307
On November 01 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 23:25 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)


EBWOP


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really


Why are you defending DF so hard anyway?
What’s in it for you?


I'm not defending DF I'm trying to explain that I don't understand/agree with you and krogan's reasons, so I'm asking questions


Doesn’t matter what you call it. You’re stifling the aggression towards DF.

Let him defend himself.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:51 GMT
#308
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.

I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.

Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.

and conversion is coming off that way to me.

But I got way off track with that post meh
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 14:52 GMT
#309
On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.

I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.

Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.

and conversion is coming off that way to me.

But I got way off track with that post meh


ya I'm trying to change that. sorry dad, I'll be better
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
November 01 2017 14:57 GMT
#310
On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.

I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.

Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.

and conversion is coming off that way to me.

But I got way off track with that post meh


I agree about DF.

About conversion... the jury is still out.
He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 15:03 GMT
#311
On November 01 2017 13:05 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).

He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.

I am above 50% that he is scum at this point.

I am 100% you are scum
##vote dam


oh hey look, it's the guy that did the same shit last game when he was scum


On November 01 2017 13:07 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.


Slow down hotshot.
When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes?


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?


You have good reads, I'll give you that.
You just gotta work on being more convincing.


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.


Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility.
Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around.

Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced.


I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.

Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary

Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.

So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger

You are a whole lotta nothing burger.
What are you eving doing with this post.


Explaining why ruxxar's post is lame as hell and non-committal to the utmost. It's rather obvious what I was doing. Take your attitude elsewhere


On November 01 2017 13:09 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 13:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 13:05 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).

He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.

I am above 50% that he is scum at this point.

I am 100% you are scum
##vote dam


oh hey look, it's the guy that did the same shit last game when he was scum

Oh hey look, that's meta read off literally one post and literally not looking at my other games, just casually throwing shade. Same with rux.


Why would I look at your other games based off of one post? You're mighty defensive lol. Yea, i'm casually throwing shade. Because you did the same over-aggressive "i'm gonna be a dick" D1 strategy last game. This is mafia. People throw shade. Get over it


Looking back and rereading, these are the string of posts I don't like from DF. Instantly gets defensive from Oats (I think he was being way less aggressive this game than last one, he was just calling people shit left and right last one), and then tries to make it sound like Oats is defensive when he is (Oats initiated the conversation)

[B]On November 01 2017 13:19 darthfoley wrote:
Fwiw, Conversion could definitely be a salty 2x scum roller who is sick of being pressured D1. I'm too tired to look over his filter tonight, but his hissy fit was alarming.

I don't spend my time piling on people 3 hours into a game. There are other avenues to be explored like you, and ruxxar! And maybe HF


And this makes it seem like if he suddenly switches his scum read/vote to me, it gives him an easy out from backing off Oats

I think I see where you guys are coming from
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 15:07 GMT
#312
On November 01 2017 23:39 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 23:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)


EBWOP


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really


Says the guy that got triggered lol


that was a useful post. thanks for your 10/10 input. you are the thread sentiment right now. no one likes you, and you have 2 votes on you.

if you don't like facts, then get the fuck out of my face. thanks


In all seriousness and not being a dick-ness, this is an awful post on your end and doesn't help me townread you any more. What about that post was offensive that you had to make a snide remark? Do you disagree that the general sentiment right now is that your entrance/defense was not good?

Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 01 2017 15:42 GMT
#313
Reading and catching up as I can today, unlikely to be fully caught up till later.

On November 01 2017 13:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 12:37 Tictock wrote:
Humm, Shokey's more recent posts are ok, but I'm not a fan of the "I play like lynchbait to catch scum" defense.

Especially when he's apparently abandoning that strategy as soon as the pressure is starting to build.

Still the best early vote imo.


I'm around what? I just responded to questions asked directly at me.


I have no idea what you are asking here. I may reconsider my view on you depending on what I read today. It seems Oats and Damdred have experience playing with you so I may defer to their opinion if they can backup that this is your typical play style.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 01 2017 15:47 GMT
#314
On November 01 2017 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damerion is now 0% scum, HF is 100% scum


Why does HF not doing anything make Damer Town?
I can take that responsibility.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 01 2017 15:49 GMT
#315
On November 02 2017 00:47 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damerion is now 0% scum, HF is 100% scum


Why does HF not doing anything make Damer Town?


It doesn't lol.... My lean on scum right now is damerion, oats and between DF/Conversion. Conversion seems so hostile since the beginning.
Life?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 01 2017 15:54 GMT
#316
On November 01 2017 21:58 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 19:34 happykrogan wrote:
Actulally I think df acts more like oats last game than oats himself


explain this


He is attacking in every direction like oats did last game.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 07:50 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:47 Damdred wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:45 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:42 Damdred wrote:
On November 01 2017 07:40 darthfoley wrote:
On more serious terms, let's hope that we don't have AFKers this game.

Krogan's combo brrreak thing felt the most forced of any entrance. Except maybe HF


You know I was abour to tr you for your carefree attitude a d then you say something i really disagree with.

I think krogan had third best entrance, hf is meh but meh


That's fine. You can give me the town read anyways


can you explain why yoi dont loke it more for me?


Idk. Scum often have trouble entering. Especially new scum. It makes sense for scum!Krogan to try and be funny by copying someone rather than having his own entrance.

Also don't like shockey's entrance


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On November 01 2017 09:04 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.


Slow down hotshot.
When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes?


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?


You have good reads, I'll give you that.
You just gotta work on being more convincing.


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.


Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility.
Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around.

Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced.


Worst post so far. Good chance of being scum


Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 11:12 darthfoley wrote:
Oh. I also don't like Ticktock because he's distraught that we are not "in sync" 4 hours into a game. Lol. I haven't even played with you in like a year.


Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 11:25 Tictock wrote:
Ok that is a decent point, I forgot Ruxx had done that. I'm not really sold that makes Ruxx scum, but I get where you are coming from.

What do you think about Shockey?


I didn't like his entrance (and said so at the time) and I continue to be underwhelmed. He's doing the thing where he's promising to do stuff and then doesn't. His last post was basically a humble brag about how he generated conversation, without giving any input about what he though of said conversation. He's in my scum pile


Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 13:05 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).

He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.

I am above 50% that he is scum at this point.

I am 100% you are scum
##vote dam


oh hey look, it's the guy that did the same shit last game when he was scum


It reminds of oats last game.
When reading oats filter this game it feels more like town. He is less agressive so far and I don't think he would have made a post like this last game day1

Show nested quote +
[B]On November 01 2017 13:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Maybe HF not mafia



I like this, possibly a good catch.

Adding Krogan to my Town pile.
I can take that responsibility.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 01 2017 15:55 GMT
#317
If you look at Damerion's filter, it shows he litterally tried to start a bandwagon on me:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Damerion

then just disappeared, now I have conversion attacking me trying to make a play between me and him, having you all try and choose between us lol. It's just quite funny.
Life?
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 15:56 GMT
#318
On November 02 2017 00:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If you look at Damerion's filter, it shows he litterally tried to start a bandwagon on me:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Damerion

then just disappeared, now I have conversion attacking me trying to make a play between me and him, having you all try and choose between us lol. It's just quite funny.


I'm literally asking you what the point of your post was, and you're ignoring me and telling me I'm trying to make a play between Damerion. It'd be nice if you didn't ignore my question
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 01 2017 16:00 GMT
#319
Also, if I was trying to "make a play" between Damerion why would I bother calling out the fact that I don't like his play, get called out for it by two different people, and get pissed when it doesn't work? That doesn't look good for a Damerion/Conversion scum team at all.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 01 2017 16:06 GMT
#320
Ok got through page 15.

I think I'm warming up to Conv a little more, he seems to be sticking to his guns despite the pressure. I'll give him the Town lean back.

I'm a tad disappointed to have nothing new from the Damer bros. They seem like the caliber of player that I prefer to take a wait and see approach with though.

Mixed bag about Oats. I felt like so had a way to read him a long time ago but his strong scum game last game makes me want to hold off. He is so all over the place right now that I'm kinda just scratching my head.

HF having RL issues explains him being a bit lacking but don't give him a full pass, he can be a slippery scum player.
I can take that responsibility.
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