[M][N] Names Are Hard 2

On August 25 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
We got dem mafiaz already guys

On August 25 2017 05:23 Koshi wrote:

Is this true? Can you recheck and promise me this is true?

On August 25 2017 05:21 Skynx wrote:

I dunno, that wasn't a very effortful post by me. Feel reads are alright at this point tho.

What i got from my Koshi read was that you, LS and TW all gave the same reaction. Which gives me some indication of that none of the 3 is scum with Koshi, in case he's scum.

On August 25 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
Did you even look at koshi's town games?

On August 25 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote:



Are you even reading the same game?

On August 25 2017 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Elaborate on this conclusion please.

On August 25 2017 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would a mafia dude EVER ignore defending their scumbuddy with ACTUAL reasons (your meta is 100% wrong), Skynx? Tell me that? Tell me why you think mafia would not do that, defend their scumbuddy with 100% accurate reasnoing?

On August 25 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote:


ahhh that's my point exactly though!

it's a weird train of thought to go through koshi's scum games and then get met with three people saying "But what about his town games?" and then decide that if koshi is mafia then they're all town

did you conclude that koshi does this opening as town too? <-------- super important question plz answer

On August 25 2017 06:58 Koshi wrote:
Still. He is by far the most underwhelming player who also posted like mafia would post.

On August 25 2017 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you guys let me talk to Skynx just for a couple of minutes please?

On August 20 2017 02:20 Holyflare wrote:
He told you why he thinks geript is mafia right in that post you quoted.

Geript thinks he's mafia because of the reasons I think he's mafia but rels knows geript has no respect for his town play so he shouldn't be able to call him mafia if this is what geript expects.

Except rels has done actually scummy things so it's perfectly valid for geript to think what he does.

On August 25 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
You realise there was like 3 cycles of me antagonising him there though? Haven't done that yet.

I'm pretty sure you're hipster mafia. Going against the grain of every read for really weird reasoning and then bypassing the actual logic behind the scum reads though. So that's cool.

On August 25 2017 17:43 Holyflare wrote:




I mean this specifically. It just says I don't read any of the content but I'll compare him to how I think I'd feel as mafia but then skim one or two games and make a conclusion but really nvm i retract my conclusion just because?

None of it even contains any content. You don't look at any of the posts I've made about him and you just don't seem to care. Just looks like you're massively leaving your options open.

On August 25 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote:


There's some crazy cognitive dissonance in this post. You're saying that skynx could just be a tunneled townie but then when you elaborated earlier it was that you're hedging because of how quickly he rescinded it. But you're still saying he's stubborn townie?

So which is it? Is he townie for being tunnelled but then not townie for not being tunnelled?

Honestly the fact he rescinded that read so quickly after a bit of pressure was good. But the points I've made don't look like he's stubborn townie at all. Why would he be stubborn townie over a read he no longer believes at all???

On August 25 2017 19:55 Holyflare wrote:



I don't think that's a logical trail of thought and I have no idea why koshi agrees with it (probably cos he's mafia) Have you even read his progression? It's quoting 3 posts that says he does something and then literally 0 posts in between he says that's wrong.

Why is there lingering suspicion about koshi being mafia (based on his entrances) and making conclusions on that??? What is there to still be lingering about when he's proven himself wrong??

On August 25 2017 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
I hard claim blue so you now know my reads are legitimate.

Join me please.

On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

On August 26 2017 00:10 Holyflare wrote:


You drunk? He made that conclusion AFTER he concluded koshi wasn't mafia.

On August 26 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you even say this? Last 3 games holyflare has wanted to lynch mafia every D1 (2 mafia in generic), in all of those games town just went for some dumb option instead in the end. Like saying that is completely untrue.

On August 26 2017 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Oats looks good.
Artanis dropped off face of earth.
Rayn looks way better this game than last. Not sure I agree with his artanis/skynx conclusions though. Bit far fetched.
Vivax largely irrelevant? Scary.
Geript needs to scum hunt instead of answering questions.
Damdred gives me warm fuzzy feelings of old damdred reads
Tw just poeing not read him. Will call him scum all game and arbitrarily call him town at another.
Ruxxar is scarily quiet. Backwards logic on skynx and afk. He's voting koshbag though so for now it's ok.

Anyone else?

On August 26 2017 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
What do you wanna talk about? I don't understand this whole geript thing

On August 26 2017 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
koshi/tw/someonelike60%ofplayersinthisgame

On August 26 2017 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually i kinda like geript for townreading TW now.

Its not really worth it as mafia to defend his partner who has a decent chance of getting lynched today.

On August 25 2017 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because the reason he's saying he scumreads Koshi isn't the actual reason he was, just the one he formulated. I'm saying it's likely a gut read, presuming he's town.

On August 26 2017 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
His longest post in the game is literally explaining why someone claiming cop is town

On August 24 2017 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fuck it /in
Just don't expect the same activity from me from before I got a full time job x_x I'm not workposting lol

On August 26 2017 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
Hey artanis are you ever gonna explain why you said skynx motivation to call koshi mafia was based not on the reasons skynx was calling koshi mafia?

On August 26 2017 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx let's just clear something up. Did you still scum read koshi after you found out he did his opener as town?

On August 26 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:


Boom. Artanis is mafia.

On August 25 2017 06:01 Skynx wrote:

That's not at all what i said. TW and LS are not +1's of Vivax. They are replying to me continuing on the same accusation of Koshi posting further mafia openers. It's their own conclusion yet same pattern as Vivax which is in my opinion town sided as they can just ignore if on their mafia teammate at that point.

It is annoying when you make me focus on just one bit of the game.

On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really, no.

On August 26 2017 00:10 Holyflare wrote:


You drunk? He made that conclusion AFTER he concluded koshi wasn't mafia.

On August 26 2017 20:00 Holyflare wrote:


You mean the guy that scum read skynx but then with no new posts from skynx said we shouldn't lynch skynx and he wasn't in any scum list?

On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process.

It is very simple.
Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y.

No way.

On August 26 2017 20:00 Holyflare wrote:


You mean the guy that scum read skynx but then with no new posts from skynx said we shouldn't lynch skynx and he wasn't in any scum list?

On August 25 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote:

You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia. And I don't understand why they won't do it when they are mafia with me, it relieves pressure off me and puts it on you.

On August 26 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes. I do. Except for Skynx.

I would remove Skynx and add Oatsmaster. I don't know what he is trying to do with his LS push.

On August 27 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
did you even read koshi scum a few games ago? he literally does the exact same thing here when I pushed him:

1. post afk excuse
2. return to insult holyflare
3. afk

it's like reading a carbon copy of the same game ffs

On August 27 2017 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yeah you arent voting with them but you are perfectly ok with their target dying?

On August 27 2017 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
People off wagon and on artanis look terrible

On August 27 2017 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also had reasons to be on this wagon. All the artanis ones are born from confusion and what even

On August 27 2017 04:46 Holyflare wrote:


I read your points. I made the same exact points. I weighed them up and came to the conclusion I didn't care because he was lynching koshi.

Who is now confirmed extremely rude by the way. Fuck you koshi.

On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.

TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.

Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar

Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF

Null:
TW
Oats

Null-scummish
Geript

Scum
Damdred
Koshi

On August 27 2017 04:49 Holyflare wrote:


Why did your vote stay on artanis after this?

On August 25 2017 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because the reason he's saying he scumreads Koshi isn't the actual reason he was, just the one he formulated. I'm saying it's likely a gut read, presuming he's town.

On August 27 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
It should be quite obvious why people off koshi are scummy though. The koshi train had legit points that I've argued and not one person countered them with anything whatsoever. Blanket "oh I think koshi is town though" statements are so so bull shit and disingenuous. The wagon had pure reasons, koshi was a shitter but yet people still were hesitant for 0 explained reasons.

Koshi is a ridiculously hars person to push when he's town and the mafia know it. That's why I'm looking at people who didn't vote him.

This is the rels 2.0 lynch.

On August 28 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See here is the kicker.

You knew, that i heavily think geript is mafia. You promised to sheep me on what i want to do. If you have read any of my posts you knew that i don't actually think Koshi is mafia. There are many problems:
1) what i just said, you hadn't read any of those people
2) when you got out of Skynx being mafia, you chose to filter Koshi, decide he is mafia, and vote + afk (i dont care about the reasons but that's what you did).

You are still not sure if geript is mafia so you jsut randomly took one of those people, filtered him, and called him mafia. I am fucking terrible at explaining this but that's not what townies do, i would be okay if you just sheeped me on geript or even read geript instead of Koshi (as he was your top scumread at the time).

Basically you are ranking people above or below others while having absolutely no idea what they have posted, when you sheep, you dont sheep the people you said you would, and i think that makes you mafia.

On August 28 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Ah okay, you're mafia then. I made my koshi case page 22 and it was discussed by a few people quite a bit in those pages after. No way you didn't see it and then magic up a read like you say you did.

On August 28 2017 02:52 Holyflare wrote:


This is also a bs last will now that I look at it because if you think the Koshi case is the strongest and he's the most mafia but then you just write a shit line about "wait and see" on me despite copying my exact reads and following my lynch.

I don't believe you think those thoughts simultaneously.

Whoever it was that said about your damdred read is also spot on.

On August 28 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:


Oh, that's convenient then because I post it again on page 26!

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?page=26#506

Nice try

On August 28 2017 03:00 Holyflare wrote:


Oh that's convenient because I post it again on page 42!

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?page=42#826

On August 28 2017 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn why did you fake claim?

On August 28 2017 05:02 Holyflare wrote:


It was obviously a joke?

On August 28 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like conversing with you is just a colossal waste of time meant to lead us down stupid places.