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On August 27 2017 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2017 04:37 LightningStrike wrote:Well lex is pretty much town with that last post it kinda shitty though. On August 27 2017 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
People off wagon and on artanis look terrible Says the person who hammered town!Koshi...... NO HE IS NOT THE POST DOESNT SAY ANYTHIGN!!!! So you think I actually counted all the votes 20 minutes before the end of day, made all those posts including the last will which took me a bit while knowing exactly I would stay alive at the current vote and banking on no one else switching? Come on Rayn. It's a very shitty reason for me to be town, but it's probably true. I don't mean the votes, i mean the fact that mafia can never lynch Damdred or Koshi if you turn up mafia and the rest of your reads are "idk". And that's your last will.
That's a fair point. I'm not in the game as well as I'd like to be :/
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On August 27 2017 04:46 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:On August 27 2017 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:
It's still 5-5, art with later votes I find it really suspect that you kept such close track to the votes yet barely contributed towards the thread. It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go. You'd have to keep good track of which votes came from where. I was actually thinking switching to geript might save me. That would've ended up poorly. Wouldn't be my fault if you were dumb enough to do that. My theory is that you get endgame towncred for that last will knowing you won't get lynched. Only Oats was online who was off wagon. He wasn't gona switch he was suggesting Koshi lynch all along so you knew there was no shennanies.
The red line talks to me like you clearly believe my story and don't even doubt it. The green line is a theory that is completely opposed to it. What the fuck?
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I apologize to everyone who pinged out skynx when I half-defended against that point. I'm bad 
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Though Skynx isn't that likely to be scum unless Geript is scum. Me and Koshi both being town means the only reason he'd be highly interested in the vote count as mafia is if Geript is scum.
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On August 27 2017 04:52 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:49 Holyflare wrote:On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi You are not the lynch right now. Why did your vote stay on artanis after this? Such an irrelevant question. I still think Art is mafia, in case someone wakes up we lynch mafia. I knew koshi was town when he didn't defend.
So only mafia shows up to defend themselves from a lynch. Got it.
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On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:
It's still 5-5, art with later votes I find it really suspect that you kept such close track to the votes yet barely contributed towards the thread. It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go.
Just a quick question to everyone else: Did you know who was going to get lynched?
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Damdred pls answer question above
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HF, you?
On August 27 2017 05:02 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:On August 27 2017 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:
It's still 5-5, art with later votes I find it really suspect that you kept such close track to the votes yet barely contributed towards the thread. It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go. Just a quick question to everyone else: Did you know who was going to get lynched? The fact that Koshi was on 5 votes was available for past 2.5 hours, me being the last one on you with 30 mins to go also known to everyone around on EoD. Needed 2 people and only TW showed up. Your reaction is fake.
Pls shush. Town are talking.
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On August 27 2017 05:04 Skynx wrote:
It's irrelevant, information was there with 5 minutes to go.
It's not irrelevant. If all the townies had no idea and people had so much trouble keeping track, it's very interesting that you were so on top of it.
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On August 27 2017 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Though Skynx isn't that likely to be scum unless Geript is scum. Me and Koshi both being town means the only reason he'd be highly interested in the vote count as mafia is if Geript is scum.
On August 27 2017 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:46 Skynx wrote:On August 27 2017 04:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:On August 27 2017 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:
It's still 5-5, art with later votes I find it really suspect that you kept such close track to the votes yet barely contributed towards the thread. It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go. You'd have to keep good track of which votes came from where. I was actually thinking switching to geript might save me. That would've ended up poorly. Wouldn't be my fault if you were dumb enough to do that. My theory is that you get endgame towncred for that last will knowing you won't get lynched. Only Oats was online who was off wagon. He wasn't gona switch he was suggesting Koshi lynch all along so you knew there was no shennanies. The red line talks to me like you clearly believe my story and don't even doubt it. The green line is a theory that is completely opposed to it. What the fuck?
Input on this pls guys?
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Also JK should probably flip a coin and JK either HF or Rayn based on the results.
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On August 27 2017 05:11 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure if skynx being scum guarantees the geript slot as scum.
The geript wagon had started to fall apart even before I really started the push on you art. Like rayn jumped off to rux (not a bad vote probably), and then onto you with me and ls.
So I don't think geript was an actual option near eod.
Though it is super interesting If the geript slot is scum how certain people cared so little around eod when he got safe.
Looking at the timestamps you're correct in votes. Were people talking about lynching Geript anyway though leading up to it? Haven't gone through it in detail yet.
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On August 27 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
It should be quite obvious why people off koshi are scummy though. The koshi train had legit points that I've argued and not one person countered them with anything whatsoever. Blanket "oh I think koshi is town though" statements are so so bull shit and disingenuous. The wagon had pure reasons, koshi was a shitter but yet people still were hesitant for 0 explained reasons.
Koshi is a ridiculously hars person to push when he's town and the mafia know it. That's why I'm looking at people who didn't vote him.
This is the rels 2.0 lynch.
To be fair, I normally am too. Us both being afk near EoD made either of our lynches a lot easier.
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Also TW please link to the posts you mention in numbers cause aint nobody got time to find all those post numbers.
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On August 27 2017 17:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 17:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 27 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
It should be quite obvious why people off koshi are scummy though. The koshi train had legit points that I've argued and not one person countered them with anything whatsoever. Blanket "oh I think koshi is town though" statements are so so bull shit and disingenuous. The wagon had pure reasons, koshi was a shitter but yet people still were hesitant for 0 explained reasons.
Koshi is a ridiculously hars person to push when he's town and the mafia know it. That's why I'm looking at people who didn't vote him.
This is the rels 2.0 lynch. To be fair, I normally am too. Us both being afk near EoD made either of our lynches a lot easier. The people on koshi were on him for at least half a cycle so not particularly true.
Mm, fair.
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+ Show Spoiler [VCA] +Votes are only truly interesting if Geript is mafia imo (though that's knowing I'm town of course). If he is, the following happened: Vote Count - Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Oatsmaster
- Holyflare (0) -
Vivax
- Skynx (2) - Vivax, Holyflare
- Koshi (3) - geript, ruXxar, Artanis[Xp]
- geript (3) - Koshi, Skynx, raynpelikoneet
- Artanis[Xp] (0) -
Holyflare
Non-voters (3): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood We have a realistic lynch on geript here. Oats unvotes Tumble to vote for Koshi, putting him at 4. LS then votes for Geript, which makes me feel it's unlikely they're scum together. I don't believe LS plans ahead enough to vote his scumbuddy only to unvote him later. HF then vote/unvotes Geript to vote Koshi (which he intended to vote in the first place), and LS follows to unvote Geript, presumably because he seems to be replacing out. Skynx does the same which puts the nail in the coffin for that potentiality. Skynx was the second person on the Geript lynch though, so in the end it doesn't pull me one way or the other.
Conclusion: Oats likely together with Geript, LS likely not with Geript if Geript is mafia.
On August 26 2017 20:10 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 20:02 Skynx wrote:
Sad thing is its prolly all town on me again When did you start townreading me? Cuz you are so lost in this game you have no idea what you're doing.
When did this change again and why, Skynxy?
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@Rayn main reason I couldn't actually go into the Koshi vs Geript thing any deeper is because I didn't have the time. I had guests over which I already stated before, and I thought Skynx was scum until he started replying to me in a way that I thought was townie. Rest of your case is just padding.
On August 28 2017 00:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi I don't understand something here. Why is damdred lock scum, while all the other people you mentioned are null, townish or whatnot. It doesn't seem to me like your reason for scum reading damdred is any stronger than the reasons you have given for any of your other "maybe" people.
Honestly a lot of that was OMGUS. I felt like it was clear that my switch from Skynx to either Koshi or Geript makes no sense from a mafia perspective. I could understand a few players that don't know me as well and/or tunnel quickly (hi Rayn) to not analyze that properly, but I have a lot of respect for Damdred's ability to analyze. It just felt like something that he should pick up on. That and I just was at a place where I was quite clueless about the game.
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On August 28 2017 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think Artanis did the classic Titanic-Vivax thing: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tFZrhQa.jpg)
False. This was the last time I indicated Geript was my top scumread:
On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey artanis, you happen to have any mafia reads? I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.
Before that, this was.
On August 25 2017 15:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean if geript is mafia and Skynx is town why WOULDNT geript talk about Skynx? Presumably because he believes everyone's already said what there is to be said about Skynx. Kinda why I view the whole Geript is scum because he didn't talk about Skynx argument to be NAI. What I don't like about Geript is how he votes Koshi and calls him mafia in the first post about him, but then just proceeds to call everything "pretty odd" "weird" and a lot of other words that don't say "scum". Show nested quote +Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird. Reminds me of how Marv got caught as scum once.
Which was earlier than the reasons I gave for Koshi being scum:
On August 26 2017 20:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:21 Koshi wrote:
I decided that a geript/HF/Ruxxar team is possible. This is the first time he mentioned HF possibly being scum. Since then, he's mentioned HF like this: Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:24 Koshi wrote:
I just keep claiming mafia to make it easy for you. Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax
Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx
Very very slight townread
Tumblewood
MIA
Oatsmaster
LoL so bad probably mafia
HF
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:31 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
Read koshi filter and his posts towards tw. Realise tw was a scum read and it's disappeared off the face of the earth.
Then look at his skynx progression. Skynx is probably mafia/bad looking after i post a good case (never votes skynx) into nothing changing but somehow he won't join the skynx wagon and now skynx is not even a mafia read. No posts in between.
His artanis read is "that's a good thought" but anyone with any semblance of a town thought can see artanis' read is forced as fuck and crumbled completely but koshi bypasses that.
Koshi's list of mafia initially magically became a list of an afk guy, a guy with 1 post and geript. Trash tier list. Now he got called out for it he's had to completely change it to some new bs that isn't congruent with his thoughts at all.
His post to me when I fake claimed mafia was also talking to me like I was town and should "join the town circle" pandering to me because he knows my alignment. He purports he didn't realise but that's bs.
Every koshi thought has been completely contradicted by his actions. There are either two koshis playing on his account or he's mafia.
LoL so bad probably mafia
HF
Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:38 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:34 Holyflare wrote:
Thinking more about koshi and artanis their interactions do seem a bit forced.
We lynch koshi today. Absolutely no way is his filter townie. I wish you the best of luck. It is going to be possible. I think your play is to convince rayn (shouldn't be hard), and then the townie out of Ruxxar and geript. Should be really easy if that by some miracle that is geript. Then the other one is a free vote as well. I wonder if you will need the third mafia. Better not sit with 3 mafia on my wagon. Just not good for my ego end game. Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:54 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.
Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.
Oh boy mafia just throwing themselves out psshh psshhh: You need his vote on me. Gotta make friends. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him. What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax
Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx
Very very slight townread
Tumblewood
MIA
Oatsmaster
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF gl hf bois. I think I am at least 2/3 right. HF is pretty certain mafia. He has been horribly shitty last couple of games (correct readwise (and compared to me)) but I think this is beyond that. Punish the mafia. I really think I am very right. Maybe rayn is mafia as well. But I don't think he is. So do not lynch Skynx/Artanis in future days when I am lynched. Go for geript/ruxx and hf. I truly hope some of you quote this post a couple times in future days.
On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:33 ruXxar wrote:On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him. What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect. HF told me to not push you? Where? I am just mafia bullshitting bro. No worries.
On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1. So don't trust them lol. (I repeat: HF is probably mafia this game. Whenever I say things like this it is because I work in a "what if" world)
I am without doubt the best D1 reader. No doubt.
I am telling you the lynch needs to be within geript/HF/Ruxxar.
I am telling you Skynx is town for now. Do not touch him D1. There are no longer mafia left that could be his partner.
I am super against an Artanis lynch as 4th option. But he is more likely town for his play today. However, I can see the "underwhelming" lynch be tempting.
2/3 mafia is with Ruxx/HF/Geript.
I know it is true.
Literally 0 explanation for his scumread.[/QUOTE]
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I went to look into Koshi because I found his filter weird as I was catching up to the thread, which was around the same time I started moving away from wanting to lynch Skynx.
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On August 28 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't believe you. Sure it is possible but i do not believe you. During the time you had this "thought" you did: Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.
Rescinding rayn townread. Skynx townread then rayn not so town anymore. Some arguing with Holyflare. Ruxxar town read. Some random things on Oats. Scumread on geript. (note that all the stuff on Koshi has happened at this point).Random things on Vivax. More defending on Skynx. Arguing with Holyflare (no conclusions). Then, the read on Skynx. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing. Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out.... It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought. Not really, no. I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this. I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something. Skynx literally just threw out a random thought there. I do that all the time. The fact that you're putting so much stock into this is ridiculous. See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process. On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say
It is very simple. Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y. No way. I am starting to come around to this. Need to read Skynx' filter. Now before the actual scumread on Skynx (or where you say you need to read his filter, there is over 19 hours, and about 50% of your filter. You literally didn't do anything proactive during that time, you werent focused on Skynx because you didn't have a scumread on Skynx. Apparently your scumreads on geript and Koshi are from that time, yet you didn't do ANYTHING to get those reads out into the thread, and did basically EVERYTHING that was not getting those reads out into the thread. Only when it started mattering, aka we are lynching one of those two people, you started caring, and even then you made a very irrational choice at that time. So no, i don't believe your explanation.
I wasn't scumreading Koshi back then. Just because I was in the thread arguing with people doesn't mean I was caught up. That happened again earlier. Even if my top scumread of Geript was after Koshi made all those posts, that doesn't mean I actually had read those posts. Koshi being scum just made sense to me when I filtered him during the catchup I did yesterday morning.
It's also hard to focus on the actual game when all you're doing is defending yourself from scumreads. I don't have the time to do both and I'm wired to defend myself first.
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