EPTI've not read much, so I'll be playing lots of catch up! I have to go to work soon but I'll go through Rayn, FF, and Hope's filters tomorrow morning.
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I've not read much, so I'll be playing lots of catch up! I have to go to work soon but I'll go through Rayn, FF, and Hope's filters tomorrow morning. Any hot topics I need to look into links appreciated! | ||
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Problem with having strong influence. It's not that you talked about him I think. It didn't happen only 24 hr ago. You and Rayn were fighting at each other from very early on. I found myself stuck in the same conclusion that I always do when this scenario happens. Thinking one or the other has to be mafia because why dump so much energy into an argument that's purpose goes from 'these are my reasons' to a shit fight that goes on for half the game? In the end it seems really stupid to me because I can't reason out the town motivation for either Rayn's "Fuck this actual game", your "I'm going to shoot the confirmed town because I don't want to play with him atm". It also is stupid because neither should confirm either of you since neither of you actually did either of what you claimed so neither of you actually did play against your win con. Which means it's a colossal clump of matted fur that I'm inclined to cut out rather than try to separate hairs. | ||
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Probably town- Jealous: The paintings don't bother me. Simple enough to follow for rough ideas. And while I wish it didn't take as long for him to elaborate some thoughts in clearer words he eventually does. Geript: Aside from the terrible early setup talk crap, I've liked his train of thought throughout the entire game. Slightly town- Copcake: I thought the early stuff was ok if some of it was weak. Kind of fell off after nominations, but I can totally understand getting frustrated and unmotivated when people aren't listening to you. Despite the meh feeling I've had in the second half of my read today as long as she'll just says her piece, ignore the antagonist (This should be a thing more people do), move onto the better things (Like finding mafia! Flesh out those HF catches maby?) I don't have any real issues with her atm. Conversion: I don't remember a whole lot of his early play but reading today doesn't seem like he's pushing an agenda. Short of maby border-line 'don't worry about me, i'm just trying to be super reserved' But more in a way that shows he's trying to use critical thinking to re-evaluate his reads rather than just not having them. Could be just a front to take non-committal stances but I don't think so. Null- Rayn: Hasn't been particularly useful. I have to admit that at some point I started skimming through some of the repeated bulk/ rage of his points. The biggest problem I have is that there isn't any town motivation behind rage-quitting the game but again Re: Copcake- I not only understand people getting frustrated and unmotivated, I expect it the temper out of Rayn. Which leaves me on trying to decide on which side of my brain to listen to "The bulk of this is an emotional, hard to read rant that took up way more space than i feel like it should of or needed to because town Rayn got triggered" ->"mafia Rayn wanted to shit up the thread and was handed the opportunity on a golden platter." HF: I generally liked his train of thought. Same problem as with Rayn though, I skimmed some bulk/ antagonistic points. I really think the mod confirming of Rayn is ridiculous because Rayn didn't actually rage quit so he was never playing against win con. Just as much as him claiming to have shot in his mind confirmed town isn't playing against his wincon because we don't know Rayn's alignment. Rels: Completely afk. He's known for doing nothing D1, not in the lynch pool, I don't see much point in trying to weigh out this read anymore than personal bias telling me he did this exact same afk first cycle the last game I played with him. To be continued~ I figure I post this much now, I didn't disappear promise! I'm just trying to go through filters as well! Will continue with rest in a few. | ||
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On August 17 2017 03:01 Damdred wrote: I dislike the ever since post, it's totally avoiding the main controversial people to read and focusing on what are the safer reads. And really the nd and rayn reads don't lead anywhere Did you misread the "To be continued" part? If the progression of that post didn't imply I was going in order and simply stopped to take a break I am daft. (Is true I am don't tease me about it  )I'm under the assumption that you don't like the fact that I summarized 60 pages worth of content into a short vs of why I was were I had ended up at? That's nice considering the amount of explaining your reads could almost fit the same bill. You know -the fact you've had days and I've had hours. | ||
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I think your being hypocritical right now and I'll flesh that out in a while. But FF is close to the same and Hope is tagged along and the biggest glaring issues with both of them is largely the same. But Hope has some extra +1, off liners that make me think they'reboth trying to appear useful while doing nothing. But since the only hard mafia reads I can remember them actually being adamant about is eachother/ Hope Rayn HF push They make no sense as mafia together. Which is the problem of I might as well flip a coin between them for today's lynch. :/ I didn't reach a conclusion between HF/Rayn and that's because the same reason I stated on Rayn, I can see town HF going after the points on Rayn. I can see town HF pursueing them as hard as he did. I also can see mafia HF going after an easy valid point, then loving it when it gains the extra #2) pissed off Rayn is likely to destroy the thread himself #3) gain credit for pointing out how much Rayn is derailing the thread. Last time I saw this happen I thought HF was Mafia and Rayn didn't bite anyway. This time it escalated into the same crap and now I'm wanting to follow to same logic. They were both town that game if I remember right. So yes, I'm not going to make any firm decision on them one way or the other. | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:06 Damdred wrote: Thats funny because most things against me is because I'm floating around unsure of my reads right now And you're calling me out for at least giving the short vr of what my reads are??? | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:09 Damdred wrote: And? I have a documented read of everyone in game basically besides your slot and rels currently. Yes you did, On August 17 2017 04:09 Damdred wrote: And? I have a documented read of everyone in game basically besides your slot and rels currently. That would be everyone null except Rayn/ Slight Hope read? Then would be conv (Lets assume slightly mafia) as interesting ?, Null, To town? And that is a lie anyway: On August 15 2017 23:34 Damdred wrote: Honestly I know it's bad. But if the lynch isn't something like onegu/rels/rayn I'll be a bit annoyed at the judges. I think besides those three and hopeless (rekt) I have a pretty sturdy reason to read people town. Maybe tw has fallen do me though, probably, maybe. No follow with Cake so still Null, though you ask her for update vs Responses I'm going to assume still mafia since you don't do it yourself. And add Conv is apparently town (you just went from interestingly uninteresting, null->town? no explanation), and some weak "I don't get it CC" to: On August 17 2017 00:03 Damdred wrote: I just don't know who I want to lynch exactly. FF is a bit under whelming (love you bud), and his post about agree I agree I with me to town read conversion was a bit strange but I don't necessarily think it makes him scum. I've seen him try as both alignments and not try as both alignments. So I can't help but have and keep him at null. I am ignoring rayn at this point, if he's scum Idk the game is just stupid at that point. Hopeless is interesting. His initial reads list is mehish to me, look like he I just doing things to do it. Has no real follow to it and feels a bit like thread sentiment there. His attack on ff though felt forced and needless just because ff claimed he did not see a post. It makes no sense to me to pressure someone over that is stupid and slightly scummy. Overall I don't think hopeless and ff can be on a team. But overall I think hopeless is more likely scum but I just don't know if either are strong scummers Are you're current reads. | ||
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You do have a view on Rels/me: On August 15 2017 23:34 Damdred wrote: Honestly I know it's bad. But if the lynch isn't something like onegu/rels/rayn I'll be a bit annoyed at the judges. I think besides those three and hopeless (rekt) I have a pretty sturdy reason to read people town. Maybe tw has fallen do me though, probably, maybe. Conversion is town from "interestingly uninteresting" And Rayn's null because you're ignoring him. On August 17 2017 00:03 Damdred wrote: I just don't know who I want to lynch exactly. FF is a bit under whelming (love you bud), and his post about agree I agree I with me to town read conversion was a bit strange but I don't necessarily think it makes him scum. I've seen him try as both alignments and not try as both alignments. So I can't help but have and keep him at null. I am ignoring rayn at this point, if he's scum Idk the game is just stupid at that point. Hopeless is interesting. His initial reads list is mehish to me, look like he I just doing things to do it. Has no real follow to it and feels a bit like thread sentiment there. His attack on ff though felt forced and needless just because ff claimed he did not see a post. It makes no sense to me to pressure someone over that is stupid and slightly scummy. Overall I don't think hopeless and ff can be on a team. But overall I think hopeless is more likely scum but I just don't know if either are strong scummers | ||
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Rayn is on ignore. Hopeless is your strongest read and you're "not sure" but you're going to point me out for not having conclusions? | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:27 Conversion wrote: Eversince what's your opinion on the people in the lynch pool? On August 17 2017 03:59 Eversince wrote: Well it's hard to decide Damd. I think your being hypocritical right now and I'll flesh that out in a while. But FF is close to the same and Hope is tagged along and the biggest glaring issues with both of them is largely the same. But Hope has some extra +1, off liners that make me think they'reboth trying to appear useful while doing nothing. But since the only hard mafia reads I can remember them actually being adamant about is eachother/ Hope Rayn HF push They make no sense as mafia together. Which is the problem of I might as well flip a coin between them for today's lynch. :/ I didn't reach a conclusion between HF/Rayn and that's because the same reason I stated on Rayn, I can see town HF going after the points on Rayn. I can see town HF pursueing them as hard as he did. I also can see mafia HF going after an easy valid point, then loving it when it gains the extra #2) pissed off Rayn is likely to destroy the thread himself #3) gain credit for pointing out how much Rayn is derailing the thread. Last time I saw this happen I thought HF was Mafia and Rayn didn't bite anyway. This time it escalated into the same crap and now I'm wanting to follow to same logic. They were both town that game if I remember right. So yes, I'm not going to make any firm decision on them one way or the other. | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:27 Holyflare wrote: This is a gross misrepresentation of the game. I was grilling her all night and I don't know whether it's the language barrier or gross mafia twisting but she just kept calling me mafia for twisting things. Every post she quotes is me apparently twisting things but she won't be able to prove where I said these things because they didn't happen. She has been here the whole time in her own bubble. Can you point to her early day posts that you thought were towny contributions? That's part of my problem with it. And I'll decide what that means when/if she does. I recall her calling you out for 'strikes' but I don't remember them. And it's hard to put stock much past that yet because on one hand it would be better to voice them, but it really doesn't need to be now, because what is it going to accomplish? As for early read prior 20/wherever I left off at last night | ||
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I feel better this way. I can vote with my town reads. =D | ||
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On August 18 2017 00:26 Damdred wrote: Like really this whole thing is idiotic and it would be better served looking elsewhere. Like where ever since went. If jealous could be scum. If ritoky could be scum (it's possible) We agree on something then! I'm pretty confused as to what this whole exchange is about. TW TMI'ing -> Isn't tmi unless TW has knowledge of what judges will do (IE defending Rayn as town before judges put Rayn in lynch list) so that he can 'told you so' after Rayn flips -> ??? I'm about caught up again now. Jealous's HF thing seemed weird. Will filter again in a few. Has Ritoky even posted? If he did I seem to have missed it. Rels points by others seem valid. Not to reiterate but if he's caught up to point to comment I'd of expected at least something. I'm going to expect a glorious D2 or I'm get my red paint brushes. | ||
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And asking for a gun to shoot mafia would be nice if he hadn't just +1'd Geripts case basically and called for a gun to shoot him with all night. Looks like doing stuff, really what is it accomplishing? | ||
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New mess that will escalate way past in the time I write this post but w/e. Rels: He can go to slightly mafia. I gave him a free pass because of last game. He has proven to be staying at least up to date with the thread though so why is he just lurking? Using a known townie playstyle as town to fuck off and afk D1 I can accept. Trash I think but fine. But using a townie playstyle to coast by lurking is super dirty. Like usually he's mia for a long time, comes back with a long winded short vr of the entire player list. He obviously could of done that by now but he hasn't. CC: Moved to null. Snippy attitude is just preventing her from being productive. She seems standoffish. I don't see a reason for it. Not lynch material but I'm hoping for more. TW: Not going to reiterate other peoples words. They said them. I agree with them. Would lynch. HF: Can go to slightly town. Outside of my skeptical bias I think his abrasive playstyle is just that. Regardless of his alignment. And aside from the early mess he has been mostly on point. Could be good mafia play but right now there is just a lot of other options I'd put ahead of him. So for my own piece of mind I'm going to do this for now so I can worry on other things. Jealous: He seems kind of lost atm? I don't like the HF speculation because I find it kind of pointless. I'm still think he's probably town though. Why would he put in the work to derail any progress on purpose as mafia? I'll keep it in mind but as long as he gets back on track D2 no worries. Hope: I don't think he's done much other than agree with TW case, call for a gun, and now this big nasty waste of 4-5 pg of space dominated by a pointless mechanics discussion. I think this whole thing is fishy as fuck considering "I can sort of accept that, but your not out of you" so take your read and drop it. But that's not what we got at all. Rayn: I liked Rayn catching up but this second fight about nothing makes me super nervous. #2 bout that I personally think is an entirely pointless agrument to be dragging out. but it being night I'm wait until tomorrow and see how he handles his reads then. Can stay at null for right now. Damd: I feel like you haven't done much else still. I didn't like your position yesterday, I didn't like how you criticized my reads when we get no clear indication of how yours develop, and you haven't done much to change any of that. It's like you're turning in math homework with all the answers filled in but none of the work. We have no idea how you got there. Which could be mafia driven I think but I can see lost or lazy town possibility in it aswell. Not in my immediate lynch pool but definitely in my slightly mafia bracket. Rit can get moved into slight mafia bracket too. Missing the vote is not un-heard of but since the only vivid thing I can remember is way early in the game being mad about being a clock. If Ritz is trying to blend into the background and be ignored, doing especially well. | ||
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On August 18 2017 00:27 Hopeless1der wrote: okay, i can maybe accept that, except the part where you're rayn and Im hopeless and thats fucking retardation. End of argument. If that makes Rayn mafia then ok, say "You can't be serious, you're not so bad, thus mafia." Maby 1-2 post to clarify points. Why was it like 5 pages? D: | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you actually tell me why that makes you "super nervous" about me? Where am i doing something scummy? I dig into shit i find fishy and that was fishy, you even said it yourself on Hopeless part. I also have iven out reads. Do you have anything to comment on them? I know you have a 'explosive' personality. Which when you get fired up I see as questionable. Like my previous post, why did what should of been a pretty clear cut and dry argument drug out for pages??? Short answer is there isn't. Long answer is I know enough about you to know that your like that to an extent regardless of alignment which means are you just pissed? Are you driving for some piece of information or motivation? Is there a point to what your doing that I just don't understand? And taking so much time to do so bothers me a lot because this case: I think Hope re instigated that exchange and I think that makes him worse for it because you've already been blown up this game. And what's this accomplishing at night other than coming up with the possibility to I don't even know? Shoot you? Prevoke enough of a reaction to get enough suspicion back onto you to push for lynch tomorrow? Like he implied he didn't think you were mafia before going into that. So mainly, you're just hard to read. And I'm a slow reader, slower typer, and prone to skip certain things which would leave me giving you free passes when I should see underlying motivation of what you're trying to do. (Re my last game with you that I had you as town entire game and you were mafia.) | ||
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But why would mafia Ritoky afk for like 50 hours, come back, no reads, not read anything, the only reason it's not some huge "I'm mafia pls lynch" is that it's completely honest and I can't imagine the mafia team that sits back and lets that happen? Despite the fact you're throwing dirt at me I don't think your mafia either. Just no clear direction. I've got a busy schedule that I don't like to use as an excuse for absence. What else makes me mafia? | ||
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- Most of the people I didn't have changes to I left off my last list. You're still probably town in my book =D | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:55 CopCake wrote: The reason i decided you/onegu were mafia is because the absent onegu and you and played with the idea of onegu quiting because of that. Btw Onegu if I am sooooo mafia why dont you yell at the judges for picking me instead of one of your town reads? But Onegu never had a read on you? He had like 4 post and proceeded to afk for like 60 hours. I don't know why he replaced out and I don't care. I filled the slot because it was asked for. I have posted an opinion on you (And I've not once called you mafia?), and everyone else in this game by now. So aside from the fact my activity that you have issues with what do you think about the rest of my play? | ||
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*Twirls* How do I look? | ||
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On August 18 2017 08:23 CopCake wrote: Null, like I am not pushing you for the onegu gets sick, but you are willing to participate so if it makes you happy lets say 50% is null, 100% is super town and 0% is supee mafia you are at 57% It would be better if you said why I was 57% instead of just a number. The only progression in your read I can see at all is from "thought onegu scum, Ever kind of town" ->"Ever is in game and absence is extremely scum"->"57% townish" Which is part of my problem with you. When you're not fired up defending yourself you're just kind of meh. If I'm town, ya!, If you don't have a read yet, ok, time solves most things. If i'm mafia, neat, why? | ||
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And if I haven't made it clear how I feel about pointless arguments yet r.r | ||
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On August 18 2017 08:42 geript wrote: I actually don't hate this read. Maybe slightly more Town. I like the fact that he/she has stood up against both Damdred and Cop; feels a touch spunky. Not a huge fan on Ever's reads. I just point out inconsistencies and weird things. If I'm wrong *shrugs*. Rather think for myself even if I make mistakes and learn than blindly follow. If my ideas get me lynched well, part of the game as well! It's more fun this way anyway! | ||
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CC I think it's really important to try to redo your points on Jealous. It's hard to read and I your winging responses is not helping me feel better about it. Re latest- Early mechanic talk is largely useless I think. If the mods stepping in to clear mis-understandings says something to that. The fact the the OP specifically says things will happen different than what they actually did happen. Not understanding them is bleh then. NAI Unless you're willing to commit to everyone being confused by it you can't call people mafia for it. Jealous obv had implied town reads on you/HF. "Be wary" to my understanding is to be 'aware'? Not that you shouldn't be trusted more than so you should not just be blindly believe as if you where Mohammed's next prophet. I think this even more becauses you/Jealous/HF were all generally town read at the time and HF especially is well known for his ability to pull wool over peoples eyes. Jealous does imply that he leans more town on Hope in the second Rayn/Hope exchange and think he's above luring shit fights. Now if anything you should be asking questions as to why if he thinks that did Hope then he do it? Most of his filter talking to Hope seems just plain wrong to me. More so in paint. He's lots of places. When txt shows up he's even more so because if anything he's not given the benefit of "this read is 50/50" in his head but in drawing people lean one way or the other as his conclusions as more firm because he isn't defining it. These things don't make him mafia. Unless I'm misunderstanding things why phrase it this way? I'm either misunderstanding the points you are trying to get across or you're misrepresenting what he's saying. | ||
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Why would I shoot Damd? He's been one of the few to actually elaborate on his concern of me. I think his reasons were trash and was bad. Why would I want to kill one of the few people willing to give me the benefit of the doubt and talk to me if i am mafia though? From my perspective if he was mafia it makes sense because I joined late, lack lots of content and I look like a easy mislynch. If I'm mafia why would I remove the person who's willing to work past the obvious facts to try to get a legitimate read on me? | ||
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I didn't even want to lynch Damd D= | ||
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On August 19 2017 00:11 Holyflare wrote: Because he scum read you? Nothing more than that really? I'm a '?' mark in most of peoples minds. You are saying I fit regardless of who got shot. That does make sense though, nvm! Carry on! | ||
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On August 19 2017 08:13 Holyflare wrote: I'm honestly quite sick of this game. Meanwhile, I struggle along to make senses of a thing. I feel like I'm red riding hood. I try to believe the home I came into is honorable. But the more I try to re-evaluate the more I think 'every grandma is trying to eat me! The #) of people who I want to call mafia does not = #) that can possibly be mafia... ' To verify so far though; I think this recent argument is TvT. I have reason to give you both lead. I have reason to doubt it. I think Jealous is more questionable than Conv for his response. I will specify though; I like Conv & Jealousy way more than I like Rels/Ritz for a long time. I admit openly that I need to re-read both filters (I say both because ecuses lack for Rels not to have one by now, and Rit doesn't have per 1/3 D1) I'll get to that tonight. | ||
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Why the fuck can town not lynch most scum on it's mind? Why can town not decide who it wants to lynch/save?! Why is this whole game up to 3 people until fucking lylo and why the hell did I sign up for it. Fuck figuring this out. I think Rels is mafia. I'll proceed to afk for the next 20 something hours because my opinion doesn't matter. | ||
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On August 19 2017 10:29 CopCake wrote: Btw, I am getting kinda sad you guys say the game is bad, the theme is awesome, we as players are the ones at fault if the game is fun or not. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FTiMvrB.gif) Hehehe I'm not caught up yet but this is cute and we should all do it. | ||
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Ehy???? Ritz single redeeming factor is that 'I did this, It makes me mafia, I dun give a single fuck' <- Mafia never does this I think Jealous/Conv argument is dumb/ pointless. I think they both are town right now so *shrugs* 5 Kids, use to pointless arguments. "STOP THIS RIGHT NOW YOU NINCOMPOOPS". Lynch Rels, Point in case: Rels thinks what about this game? (Answers self oh right nothing.) | ||
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I'm not going to play games on my friends couch. I asked for a replacement but if one's not found PLEASE modkill me. | ||
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