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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 16 2017 14:29 GMT
#1741
On July 16 2017 23:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
I will never go down without a fight. If rels is green there is a confirmed framer. I will dump as much thought as possible into the game and never stop fighting.

Framer almost always frames their own team. So you're committing I see.
Noone else shall be lynched until one of me / HF flips scum
##Vote Holyflare


So you're just confirming yourself as mafia.............................????

hahahahahahaha
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:31 GMT
#1742
I'm OK being traded for HF. But you all have to really commit to the HF lynch after I flip. Don't listen to anything he says, just vote him and discuss other stuff. The dude managed to not get lynched after he was red checked as scum.
Now what's good is that I have absolutely no pressure. Let's see.

geript / Damdred claimed masons. They are very likely to be masons. Basically, you should lynch one in LYLO if they're still both alive. Until then they can be conf town.

rsoul emotional posts makes her town I think. I don't see her making these posts as scum.

Skynx is awesome. In particular his Koshi. I disagree with him but I see exactly where he's coming from. That's how I treated Palmar last game.

Koshi's pointless filter makes him scum. Even if he tryhards for one day later, the fact that it's not natural for him when it is usually natural for him is pretty damning.

These are my strong reads. HF / Koshi + 1 is pretty likely. Gonna read the rest of the filters to see where I stand about the other players.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:38 GMT
#1743
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 16 2017 14:39 GMT
#1744
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 14:43 GMT
#1745
On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?


I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:44 GMT
#1746
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him

yes you did, you said he was your preferred lynch actually. What happened to the filtering ?
On July 15 2017 01:59 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao i just read va's ---sick play--- and it is so ridiculous he has to be town. plus on that reveal he just seems so excited

On July 15 2017 02:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:02 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:59 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao i just read va's ---sick play--- and it is so ridiculous he has to be town. plus on that reveal he just seems so excited


Sick play?
I must've missed it.

i was talking about when he made up a read as ---sick bait---

What are you talking about ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:44 GMT
#1747
On July 16 2017 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.

"I can't be scum because scum would never do that"
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:46 GMT
#1748
On July 16 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?


I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 14:46 GMT
#1749
On July 16 2017 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.


Relax. If rels is mafia you have nothing to worry about.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:47 GMT
#1750
On July 16 2017 23:46 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.


Relax. If rels is mafia you have nothing to worry about.

yes p:
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
July 16 2017 14:48 GMT
#1751
On July 16 2017 14:57 emperorchampion wrote:
Sl please let me know why your so confused that I think that you could maybe be scum. What's made you so towny this game?


not much? that was not my point at all
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:49 GMT
#1752
On July 14 2017 07:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 06:33 emperorchampion wrote:
My brain is pretty much jello right now. I'll summarize my thoughts on ruxxar sometime tomorrow after / if he answers the questions I posted. Didn't really get around to too productively reading skynx, whoops. Pz


Reading your filter turns my brain into mush.

It's like s cloud of words swarming around with no rhyme or rhythm.

Could you try to put your evolution of scum reads on a timeline?

I feel like every post of yours your opinion changes, like a leaf in the wind,

what a strong reaction
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:50 GMT
#1753
ruxxar what's your read on EC ?
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 14:51 GMT
#1754
On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?


I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread


Basically I likened skynx case on Rayn to how btdt constructed his case on skynx in our last game.

Basically I felt like skynx had missed out on some small crucial details that someone that was engaged in the thread at the time would've pickled up.
Whereas someone who was just skimming the thread to catch up would miss.

I was really undecided on whether that made skynx mafia or if it was just a bad town case.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 14:54 GMT
#1755
On July 16 2017 23:50 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what's your read on EC ?


I think he's town.

Like I mentioned however I haven't evaluated skynx case on him, so my read doesn't include that.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
July 16 2017 14:55 GMT
#1756
On July 16 2017 22:18 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
Then why even ask? I'm town read by everyone in this game and have no reason to fake claim and rels and koshi a red check and your top scum read are just afk doing nothing.

Why would you even ask that question at that point? Break down your thought process to me.


1) Because I'm concerned that you are mafia fake-claiming.

And if rels flips green you're going to claim that mafia has a framer to balance out the masons/cop.

If rels flips green I'm not going to believe such a claim from you.

2) what do you mean "and koshi a red check"?


why would he mafia fake claim here? esp to kill rels of all people who was not even active
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:56 GMT
#1757
On July 16 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?


I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread


Basically I likened skynx case on Rayn to how btdt constructed his case on skynx in our last game.

Basically I felt like skynx had missed out on some small crucial details that someone that was engaged in the thread at the time would've pickled up.
Whereas someone who was just skimming the thread to catch up would miss.

I was really undecided on whether that made skynx mafia or if it was just a bad town case.

Why is there a "1" randomly in there ?
"1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths."
Why did you comment Skynx' case on rayn when geript asked for your opinion on his case ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 14:57 GMT
#1758
On July 14 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 05:17 rsoultin wrote:
also just fyi no matter my alignment you boys really have to realize that the sexist shit is totally not okay. we're all here to have fun, not be belittled for our genitalia

not gonna call anyone out but there's a reason i remember these things months later and the list keeps growing bigger


Classic woman.

wtf. I would also be angry if I was in rsoul's position
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:08 GMT
#1759
On July 14 2017 03:30 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 03:18 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 03:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 03:03 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:43 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:38 Skynx wrote:
rayn, if you're 100% on VA that means you have your absolute scumteam in VA, Ruxxar, geript?


Where are you going with this

Cuz thats pretty optimistic having to have 3 very strong townreads in 1st 24 hours. I'm curious how he progresses his Ruxxar read as i think they are both town.


Me and who else is town? Geript?

Also, why does it matter how many scum reads he has?

Yes, I like geript for his reactions when rayn pushed him, felt natural and logical to me.

When I have too many scumreads i tell myself "ok thats prolly not all right" and reconsider most of them. Believe or not this stuff helps later on, they all add to general value of how you consider other people are scumhunting. That helped for example we couldn't catch rayn last game cuz he didn't reveal anything and just barked Rels is scum all game long.


Sure, but 3 scum reads is within the realm of actual mafia in the game, so it's not too many.

And he is re-evaluating.
Just earlier he was deadest on me being mafia.
Now he is die hard wanting to lynch VA.
I would say he is evolving his reads.

Thats pretty much the point of me asking. I didn't really notice him dropping read on you.


I don't see how you could compare this Rayn with the Rayn last game.

It's a night and day difference.

I resllly like the analysis post you made, and you brought up a lot of good points.

But this Rayn is 10x more town than the dude from last game.
He's absolutely not a D1 lynch anyway.

Some traits I would use to define his towniness:
Aggressive, critical, pushy, emotional, evolving, stubbornness to a degree. Unapologetic.

I don't see the nitpicky pushing that I saw last game on rels, and he doesn't follow thread sentiment, he stakes his own course.

If this is not town Rayn then he has really leveled up his game.

So you "reallly like the analysis post Skynx made, and Skynx brought up a lot of good points."
On July 14 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
TW is right, I also like your tone skynx.

You have an analytical, critical yet patient and non-derogatory demeanor about you.

I enjoy reading your posts and talking to you.

Skynx is analytic.
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

But later Skynx is so bad it makes him town ?? That doesn't match.
Then you change your mind to say it actually probably makes him scum, voting him.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 15:09 GMT
#1760
On July 16 2017 23:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:
On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?


I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread


Basically I likened skynx case on Rayn to how btdt constructed his case on skynx in our last game.

Basically I felt like skynx had missed out on some small crucial details that someone that was engaged in the thread at the time would've pickled up.
Whereas someone who was just skimming the thread to catch up would miss.

I was really undecided on whether that made skynx mafia or if it was just a bad town case.

Why is there a "1" randomly in there ?
"1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths."
Why did you comment Skynx' case on rayn when geript asked for your opinion on his case ?


Don't remember about the 1.
I was probably going to make a list of points then decided to just write it in one big post.

I read geript case, then I reevaluated my stance on skynx.
My opinion of skynx case was already made up long before geript said anything about skynx.

The only thing that changed was my perspective on whether skynx case made him mafia or misguided town.
I was initially leaning towards town, and also had koshi as primary scum early in the day, so didn't see a reason to switch.

I didn't really care to analyze geripts case on skynx.
I read it and thought "meh".

The only point I drew from it was the fact that skynx came to the wrong conclusion regarding Rayn/geript conversation.
(And I mentioned this in my response).
Which meshes with what I was previously thinking as well.

Another factor that made me change my vote to skynx was that not many people were enthusiastic about lynching koshi.
I considered koshi lynch a lost case for the day at that point and decided to consolidate my vote.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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