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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2017 15:11 GMT
#1761
On July 16 2017 23:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 14 2017 05:17 rsoultin wrote:
also just fyi no matter my alignment you boys really have to realize that the sexist shit is totally not okay. we're all here to have fun, not be belittled for our genitalia

not gonna call anyone out but there's a reason i remember these things months later and the list keeps growing bigger


Classic woman.

wtf. I would also be angry if I was in rsoul's position


Oh please get off your high horse. It's clearly in jest.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 15:13 GMT
#1762
On July 17 2017 00:08 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 03:30 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 03:18 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 03:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 03:03 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:43 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:
On July 14 2017 02:38 Skynx wrote:
rayn, if you're 100% on VA that means you have your absolute scumteam in VA, Ruxxar, geript?


Where are you going with this

Cuz thats pretty optimistic having to have 3 very strong townreads in 1st 24 hours. I'm curious how he progresses his Ruxxar read as i think they are both town.


Me and who else is town? Geript?

Also, why does it matter how many scum reads he has?

Yes, I like geript for his reactions when rayn pushed him, felt natural and logical to me.

When I have too many scumreads i tell myself "ok thats prolly not all right" and reconsider most of them. Believe or not this stuff helps later on, they all add to general value of how you consider other people are scumhunting. That helped for example we couldn't catch rayn last game cuz he didn't reveal anything and just barked Rels is scum all game long.


Sure, but 3 scum reads is within the realm of actual mafia in the game, so it's not too many.

And he is re-evaluating.
Just earlier he was deadest on me being mafia.
Now he is die hard wanting to lynch VA.
I would say he is evolving his reads.

Thats pretty much the point of me asking. I didn't really notice him dropping read on you.


I don't see how you could compare this Rayn with the Rayn last game.

It's a night and day difference.

I resllly like the analysis post you made, and you brought up a lot of good points.

But this Rayn is 10x more town than the dude from last game.
He's absolutely not a D1 lynch anyway.

Some traits I would use to define his towniness:
Aggressive, critical, pushy, emotional, evolving, stubbornness to a degree. Unapologetic.

I don't see the nitpicky pushing that I saw last game on rels, and he doesn't follow thread sentiment, he stakes his own course.

If this is not town Rayn then he has really leveled up his game.

So you "reallly like the analysis post Skynx made, and Skynx brought up a lot of good points."
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On July 14 2017 04:01 ruXxar wrote:
TW is right, I also like your tone skynx.

You have an analytical, critical yet patient and non-derogatory demeanor about you.

I enjoy reading your posts and talking to you.

Skynx is analytic.
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On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?


1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

But later Skynx is so bad it makes him town ?? That doesn't match.
Then you change your mind to say it actually probably makes him scum, voting him.


Yes, it looked like he had a towny mindset trying to do a proper case.

I never agreed to the conclusions he reached.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 15:15 GMT
#1763
On July 13 2017 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 22:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also Skynx has started this game wildly different, he was really passive last game day 1 mostly being receptive to conversation and putting out comments. This game he went immediately full attack mode and super aggressive. That is interesting.


I agree that is interesting.

But I think skynx is misguided.
I'm pretty confident Rayn is town.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:18 GMT
#1764
On July 16 2017 00:43 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:34 Skynx wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:21 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 16 2017 00:12 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 23:38 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 23:35 emperorchampion wrote:
[quote]

meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising.


Please explain


I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look.

Why you voted VA then???

On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .

I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.

In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.

@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?

I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.

I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.

For now gonna park my vote on va.

This is your opinion on me after like stating 2-3 times you need to read me. You give me a pass based on the reason that I'm trying. But earlier there is this:

On July 13 2017 23:21 emperorchampion wrote:
Quickly checking in: the "slip" is pretty lols that hf pointed out. I suppose some small town points to rsoul for being skeptical on this point. For this dislike hedging, I think I've been pretty clear my overall read on people . Of course there are things that give me pause on people but you can say that about any read at this point.

With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post.

I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight.


Implying VA townlean, Skynx scumlean.

Later on you just keep repeating "Koshi/Skynx is a good place to look at", like 5 times, no exageration. What do you mean by a good place to look at? Does this imply a scumlean? No one is gona follow that if you don't point out why we're scum.
You also mention getting cold feet on VA lynch. I just can't find any reason to justify you staying on VA.

Why did you vote VA? What were your reasons for scumreading (or implying so) me and Koshi? Why didn't you do anything about it when you had scumleans?


Mmm I think I was more quickly checking in when I read both your case and VA's response to it. For starting my vote on VA I largely sheeped rayn and other's read on the situation. Then it turned into VA never defending him self, so I didn't really have any reason for moving off. I got a bit cold feet because it started looking 50/50 ish, until he started posting baby seals. Then I felt good about it till after the flip lol.

Koshi can be scum for a number of reasons, that my self and others have largely stated in thread since the start of night. For koshi it's definitely developing into a scum read. For you, we'll see.

I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen.

Did you scumread me or not?

i am going to mark this for myself for tomorrow (or if i happen to die to HF), because if this actually happened this is very very scummy.


Please do it today, in case you die.

On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .

I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.

In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.

@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?

I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.

I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.

For now gonna park my vote on va.

Votes for VA, townreads me.

Rest is just pushing the idea of I could be scum but thats it
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:08 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 02:03 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things.

Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him.

Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least.


Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly.

I don't think I want to lynch va today.

Rels is a good policy lynch though.

And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm.


You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this.

tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town.


Why rels?


Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity.


So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans?


Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this.


On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.

Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript

On July 15 2017 06:23 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 06:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 06:12 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 06:10 Tumblewood wrote:
fuck i shoulda been here earlier

Why does that change things?

cause i planned to defend va if he was gonna get lynched. when i got on ithought i had an hour to do that and it was actually like 5 minutes. if you didn't notice i last-minute switched my vote to skynx


I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves.

I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon

On July 15 2017 07:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Hf what do you think about skynx scum?

On July 15 2017 07:27 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so:

Damdy and geript masons
Hf i think likely to be town
If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read
If tumble and rux are both town

sl looks like town to me
Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game

Rels
Skynx
Koshi


Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3

On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote:
Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others.

Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul.



Do you have anything to show from before deadline?
Or are those posts before deadline?

All of them before deadline, timestamps are korean time

No they're not ? Only the first two posts in the spoiler are before the deadline.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 15:21 GMT
#1765
I can't read that case by skynx.

I keep trying but my brain just shuts off trying to read the quotes on my phone.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:24 GMT
#1766
But even then I think it is a good point. EC did seem like he was counting VA out already.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:24 GMT
#1767
HF / Koshi / EC
that makes sense.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:26 GMT
#1768
SL IDK at all.
ruxxar's rest of filter was super natural, I thought I had something with the way he was treating EC weirdly then all of sudden he townreads him. I think he even lock townread him. I was thinking I had something linkling ruxxar and EC together but the lock townread doesn't make sense in that case. I think he's town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2017 15:30 GMT
#1769
Why do I claim cop here rels?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 16 2017 15:38 GMT
#1770
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

Clearly because you're scum with me and Damdred and needed to make sure that the sheep wouldn't lynch us. Thank god for that "red check" of yours or we'd totally lose this game.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:40 GMT
#1771
Jesus rels, I have no idea what I need to do to get town read this game. Clearly you haven't read a single thing I wrote this game.

You can start to convince me by answering the question in my end of night summary.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2017 15:41 GMT
#1772
hey geript paraphrase every post of your qt for me
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:42 GMT
#1773
On July 17 2017 00:38 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

Clearly because you're scum with me and Damdred and needed to make sure that the sheep wouldn't lynch us. Thank god for that "red check" of yours or we'd totally lose this game.


This legit terrifies me
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:44 GMT
#1774
On July 17 2017 00:41 Holyflare wrote:
hey geript paraphrase every post of your qt for me


This please
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:45 GMT
#1775
On July 17 2017 00:24 Rels wrote:
But even then I think it is a good point. EC did seem like he was counting VA out already.


What do you mean?
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:49 GMT
#1776
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

lol why should I know that. I'm actually pretty curious
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:49 GMT
#1777
On July 17 2017 00:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 00:38 geript wrote:
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

Clearly because you're scum with me and Damdred and needed to make sure that the sheep wouldn't lynch us. Thank god for that "red check" of yours or we'd totally lose this game.


This legit terrifies me


Ah never mind, I think we have enough lynches
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 16 2017 15:51 GMT
#1778
On July 17 2017 00:40 emperorchampion wrote:
Jesus rels, I have no idea what I need to do to get town read this game. Clearly you haven't read a single thing I wrote this game.

You can start to convince me by answering the question in my end of night summary.


On July 16 2017 05:57 emperorchampion wrote:
- rels is super meh. Needs to explain why in his catching up just read only through rayns filter and just sheeped his top read

This ? I didn't read only through rayn's filter. I read VA's filter as he was the top lynch, said some stuff about it, then read rayn's filter because VA mentionned a rayn's case on him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2017 15:51 GMT
#1779
On July 17 2017 00:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I claim cop here rels?

lol why should I know that. I'm actually pretty curious


you say I'm mafia 100% guaranteed and vote me

so why am I mafia?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 15:56 GMT
#1780
On July 17 2017 00:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 00:40 emperorchampion wrote:
Jesus rels, I have no idea what I need to do to get town read this game. Clearly you haven't read a single thing I wrote this game.

You can start to convince me by answering the question in my end of night summary.


Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 05:57 emperorchampion wrote:
- rels is super meh. Needs to explain why in his catching up just read only through rayns filter and just sheeped his top read

This ? I didn't read only through rayn's filter. I read VA's filter as he was the top lynch, said some stuff about it, then read rayn's filter because VA mentionned a rayn's case on him.


So at the moment you're just sheeping skynx' case on me? You definitely haven't read anything I wrote, and you think I'm scum, so there's no way I can trust you right now. Why do you feel so pressured to get reads out?
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