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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:29 GMT
#2087
I've read what you wrote. It's true he doesn't acknowledge it and then insta reads you town and it's scummy. I'll wait till his reply first though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:30 GMT
#2088
Nobody has said that? I don't think you're lying and I've listened to everything you've posted. Koshi is the bigger threat so read what I've been writing because you've dismissed it as pointless dick waving when it's not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:32 GMT
#2089
On July 17 2017 06:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Rels if you are green why are you not 100x over lynching ruxxar?

the way he thinks about the game makes me think of last game. Last game he had this idea of scum being in annul => he based all his game view on that. This game he sees you fakeclaiming a check => he's basing his game view on that. He watns to lynch you, and he doesn't understand why you're not voted.


If ruxxar is town this guy is definitely mafia though. Completely evades the entire subject of him not believing the check to begin with.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:49 GMT
#2095
On July 17 2017 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's not horrible it's the objective truth. I think you're stuck in a corner and can't play to your self imposed ban because it's evidently not working out for you and so had to start bussing your team mate.

You were going to be the lynch today barring the cop claim and all you've really given us is this tw thing which already existed and he was going to get lynched after you. Basically nothing new.

On July 17 2017 15:31 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 07:59 Koshi wrote:
It's quite amazing how I come in and find mafia. And then people just ignore the mafia and vote me while agreeing with my mafia reads.


You didn't find anything you just requoted what everyone had already said about tw and then effectively had no reads other than x is town, y is mafia.

On July 17 2017 15:34 Holyflare wrote:
It's also funny because you just call the votes on you/different wagons bad at the same time as calling them potential mafia because you have done absolutely nothing to dig to determine their alignments.

What questions have you asked people to gather any information on those votes? None.

On July 17 2017 17:23 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe not though. We should 1000% be lynching koshi though. You guys just don't know what good mafia players look like when they try a bit. This is below subpar town koshi but he says he's playing well and got obvious mafia from a guy people already were gonna vote after him for reasons already in the thread so he's definitely mafia bussing.

I see all the signs.

QQ that he's got a really good case, berate people and call them mafia but do nothing about it, make absolutely no other fleshed out reads in the game. Classic scum bus.


His tw read is tmi too because it goes from:

1. TW is mafia because he made a read on va that va is excited so he's town and only mafia make absolute reads like that

-insert being told he does that as town too-

2. TW is mafia because all he cares about is solving the game as town and he's not doing that here.

Then proceeds to link newbie mafia where tw does talk in absolutes such as on page 2-3 where he says grack is town for having a gem of a post but never backs it up. Or where he says bh is town but never ever ever has a valid reason until end game where it's forced out of him. He then uses the above to prove number 2 when instead it just disproves number 1.

I don't disagree that tw is probably mafia this game but koshi is bending things to fit. He's trying to complete a jigsaw by ramming corner pieces in the middle.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:58 GMT
#2096
On July 17 2017 18:34 Koshi wrote:
Skynx is by far the best player this game.


You know how incongruous this post is? Koshi has previously berated rels for voting on emperorchampion

Completely wasted vote as nobody will join Rels ever. Great vote if you are both mafia though.
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:01 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote emperorchampion


On July 17 2017 03:47 Koshi wrote:
TW/Rels/EC/sicklucker

Pretty happy with it.


But ec is in his mafia list.

Now where is skynx's vote?

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar


Not on the wagon at all either. Koshi even posts this out in his berating of the last 5 votes post.

Now skynx is top town for (????) and rels is just mafia with ec even though rels is pointing out inconsistencies on koshi's scum read (ec) and skynx is just voting off ruxxar who koshi doesn't even scum read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 09:59 GMT
#2097
I don't buy it at all. This isn't town koshi piecing together things and fighting for his reads and trying to be mafia god, this is koshi struggling to put together a failing spree of posts that say and do nothing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:18 GMT
#2099
On July 17 2017 19:12 Koshi wrote:
I like how HF is twisting every post I make into something that it isn't and isn't even bothered with the content.
I don't say my list is confirmed worse than Skynx his. I am saying skynx is close to where I am and is doing it way cleaner than I am. So he is doing better. And I said it because I was rereading his filter. Nothing more. Nothing less.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote:
I promissed a list so there we go

Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdred
rayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday.
This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far.
geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


He's totally town brah


On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows.

I think rayb is also town.

Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm.


On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I think geript is town for these reasons

1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.

Here he's just eh.

2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.

3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo)

so i don't really doubt the claim. There is a case where they do this as scum but that will be apparent if they don't die D2-3 anyway so don't have to worry about this read for a while

Town: rsoultinVivax
I bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell)

Null: Rels, sicklucker
Unreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now.

Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperor

They have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up.

Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this.



I never said anything about a list. I'm saying you're praising skynx who is voting off your tw wagon and not voting a scum read of yours while saying rels is mafia who is pushing a scum read of yours and looking at posts of ec, your scum read.

And then giving absolutely 0 content as to why any of these reads exist. Repeatedly.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:20 GMT
#2100
And that list is the same list as about every single person in this game lol.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:21 GMT
#2101
Rels what is your scum list?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:35 GMT
#2105
On July 17 2017 19:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 19:12 Koshi wrote:
I like how HF is twisting every post I make into something that it isn't and isn't even bothered with the content.
I don't say my list is confirmed worse than Skynx his. I am saying skynx is close to where I am and is doing it way cleaner than I am. So he is doing better. And I said it because I was rereading his filter. Nothing more. Nothing less.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote:
I promissed a list so there we go

Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdred
rayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday.
This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far.
geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2017 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript is actually also prolly mafia
´


He's totally town brah


On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows.

I think rayb is also town.

Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm.


On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I think geript is town for these reasons

1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan.

Here he's just eh.

2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk.

3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo)

so i don't really doubt the claim. There is a case where they do this as scum but that will be apparent if they don't die D2-3 anyway so don't have to worry about this read for a while

Town: rsoultinVivax
I bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell)

Null: Rels, sicklucker
Unreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now.

Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperor

They have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up.

Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this.



I never said anything about a list. I'm saying you're praising skynx who is voting off your tw wagon and not voting a scum read of yours while saying rels is mafia who is pushing a scum read of yours and looking at posts of ec, your scum read.

And then giving absolutely 0 content as to why any of these reads exist. Repeatedly.

If only I made a post pointing out him voting Rux while he said TW and Koshi are bussing each other. And then whined about it some more in a following post. In which I probably forgot to quote his vote.

If only...


Yes, I saw you did that but you never called him mafia like you did for rels.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:36 GMT
#2106
You know, like I typed in that post I just wrote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:41 GMT
#2109
Simply there's a massive discrepancy between:

On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.


When Skynx votes for your non-mafia read and rels who you just flat out call mafia for pushing your scum read.

You clearly hadn't read skynx's filter at this point and he's voting on ruxxar who you town read but you don't call him mafia.

Why do you call rels mafia for doing the same thing when rels is quoting ec posts and voting off wagon but on your mafia read?

What's the difference between skynx and rels that makes you scum read someone who is pushing your scum read with 24 hours to go over someone pushing your town read?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:44 GMT
#2111
Here's your list:

Ec/rels/tw/sl

Rels pushes ec and votes ec - he's mafia bussing

Skynx pushes ruxxar and votes ruxxar - you don't understand and nothing more

Why is rels mafia for pushing someone you think is mafia but skynx is not when he's pushing someone you think is town? What makes rels a more likely bussing attempt when you're qqing about people scum reading you FOR THE EXACT SAME THING.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:45 GMT
#2112
There's a fundamental break down in your thought process that quite clearly makes you mafi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 10:59 GMT
#2115
On July 17 2017 19:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 19:41 Holyflare wrote:
Simply there's a massive discrepancy between:

On July 17 2017 06:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:36 Skynx wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 06:24 Skynx wrote:
Do we have any reason to lynch Koshi over Ruxxar?

Let's lynch TW.

Park the bus.

On July 17 2017 06:38 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Ruxxar

I don't understand.


When Skynx votes for your non-mafia read and rels who you just flat out call mafia for pushing your scum read.

You clearly hadn't read skynx's filter at this point and he's voting on ruxxar who you town read but you don't call him mafia.

Why do you call rels mafia for doing the same thing when rels is quoting ec posts and voting off wagon but on your mafia read?

What's the difference between skynx and rels that makes you scum read someone who is pushing your scum read with 24 hours to go over someone pushing your town read?

To other people than HF:
Both points 1 and 2 didn't happen. Here you see mafia HF creating a question based on 2 events that didn't even happen. Pretty hilarious.


You have a list of people that are mafia: rels/sl/tw/ec.

Rels posts his vote and you say his vote is pointless and pretty great if they're mafia together. You haven't bothered to read rels at all and he is one of two/three people pushing ec. You say his vote would be great if they're mafia together implying it's a bus. If you are implying he's town or you don't know then why is his vote pointless if it's on your scum read?

A pointless vote means it will achieve nothing but you repeatedly say you have nothing to town read ec about and rels is delving into ec posts. That sounds amazingly like it's a good vote. Tw has one vote and that's you so how is it any different to your vote?

The second point is actually correct and my bad, you say you reread skynx filter. But the discrepancy still absolutely stands. Skynx is lynching ruxxar who you town read wheras rels is lynching ec who you scum read. Only one of your quotes was posted with a bussing attempt comment (rels) whereas skynx was just you saying you don't understand.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 11:00 GMT
#2116
Let's ask another question seeing as nobody else cares. Why is rels vote pointless when it has the same amount of votes as your choice of wagon and is on someone who you have no reason to town read?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 11:09 GMT
#2117
As a gift to the thread I will stop posting about Koshi and berate you all post game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 11:23 GMT
#2120
Then look at rels next please.

I accept your rels answer but still have qualms about skynx since you say it's weird and can't do anything more than point it out but you've just been saying skynx is looking good which is a bit of a weird mismatch.

But I'll allow it and let you work.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 11:36 GMT
#2122
Ec you should respond to geript posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 17 2017 11:37 GMT
#2123
On July 17 2017 18:13 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 17:12 Rels wrote:
On July 17 2017 14:10 geript wrote:
Who ever mafia is, I'm pretty sure they're all bussing each other right now. It feels like most people are having reasonably close lynch lists.

I actually don't hate Rels post on EC. I went and looked at his recent games (resistance [scum], 72hr and another mini). In all his games he quotes a decent amount. But in his town games, things seem to stick out to him a bit more and he seems a bit more idk paranoid. Like he'll flag posts and shit. Length wise, there doesn't seem to be a major difference between alignments that I noticed (either in post length or volume). Tone wise; he seems a bit more self-assured as mafia. It's not a read I'm wholly confident in, but it actually feels like a good place to bury a vote. His response to the claim was pretty fucking off too. Like everyone seems to take a side on it and he doesn't even seem to notice it. Like it's something irrelevant which (as far as masons go) I think is more consistent with being mafia. The big thing though is that he doesn't really seem to have any "eh that seems sketchy" type posts; there's nothing that catches his eye. Rather there's only things he seems to comment on this game. That's the big carry away for me.

SL seems boring. I don't hate killing him either. I can't find a single post of his that gets me hard. Which in looking at Rels filter; Rels at least as a few that make me stop and think.

Right now I'm going to ignore Skynx; partly because I think I want him to be scum and am not sure I can be reasonably unbiased. Also in part because I think EC is a decent shot for scum and EC didn't hate a Skynx lynch but ended up on the VA wagon. EC always seems to want to throw scum on Skynx, but always seems to find a way to push someone else to the top for relatively weak reasons. Especially + Show Spoiler [This Post] +
On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .

I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.

In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.

@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?

I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.

I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.

For now gonna park my vote on va.
where he finds a way to find him kinda town and kinda scum. It's just hard to evaluate Skynx fairly for me right now; but I still kinda think he scum.

I'll look at Koshi and TW in the morning.

I don't understand the bolded ?

Like when I claimed mason, Rayn lost his shit. EC is there posting on relatively recent shit and just ignoring commenting on it. Posts this:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.

Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript

Like you either think I'm scum and fake claiming or I'm blue. There's literally no in between ground. I'm obviously claiming confirmed Town mason with Damdred and he's obvious explaining sitting on his vote.

When I ping him on it:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:45 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 15 2017 05:43 geript wrote:
Really surprised EC hasn't commented on the claim.

About the masons?

He's obviously aware of the claim.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:50 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok cool, two names to scratch off my list

Then fully accepts it.

Like if you think Damdred and I are good people to look into, then flat out accept the claim it's pretty odd. On top of it, he's had Skynx in his lynch list throughout. If I have 2 confirmed Town pushing a lynch on a guy I find scummy, I'm pretty likely to sheep their vote. It's weird to need much more to push off from one mediocre lynch to another.
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 05:56 emperorchampion wrote:
im getting a bit of cold feet on va, but I dunno about moving off

It's weird to be getting cold feet about a lynch, be okay with the opposite wagon led by confirmed Town and not jump ship.

It's just a whole mess of unusual all around.

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