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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 10:18 GMT
#3852
On June 21 2017 18:12 disformation wrote:
why is skynx voting skynx again?
*sigh*


martyring
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 10:38 GMT
#3861
On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:
looking back at fefe:
last post:
On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...

I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see.

town.
fairly sure.

Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread"

How is that townish?

*sigh*
why would scum do that?
scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff.
realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town.
aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be.
"i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement.


Yeah I actually think this is a valid point. Like, here's how you should look at it.

On the really basic level, the first level, Scum aren't coming from the same mindset of hunting scum that Town come from. Which means it's hard for Scum to have good reads and feel confident pushing them. This means that Town might formulate a read and make a case, but Scum would worry about appearing scummy or something, and therefore try to leave open a line of retreat. See, if you're town, and you think someone is scum, even if it's unpopular to think that, you won't give it up. You have a belief; you have evidence; you're gonna go for it. Scum, though, they're not trying to lynch this guy they think is scum. Instead, theyr'e trying to not get lynched. so maybe theyw ant to build their cases and reads with a line of retreat so they can change their minds if it's unpopular.

So on a naive level you would expect Town to be decisive and Scum to be waffly.

But if you go down into the second level, it turns out taht sometimes as Town you're confused. And to a certain extent, town doesn't actually CARE about looking town. I mean, obvs you don't wanna get lynched but you're also highly concerned with finding scum. Whereas scum, their ONLY concern is about looking town. And if "looking town" means decisively posting aggressive cases, Scum will try to ape this as best they can. Town will only do this when it makes sense for them.

So, we might see someone posting waffle-like uncertain reads. This could mean "ah hah, this is scum planning to pull out of these reads if they aren't popular" and that's possible. But because this really stands out, and is obviously scummy, it's like... the kind of thing that scum tries (but not always succeeds) to avoid doing. And town to a certain extent doesn't actually give a shit. Town wants to lynch properly.

so "I did half-assed work and got a half-assed townread" is, you know, it's not something i'm gonna go giving people tons of townreads on that, but there's not a HUGE motivation for scum to do that because 1) a half-assed townread won't get anyone lynched and 2) it kinda stands out as "bad" in a sense. And I'm not saying "too bad to be scum" but you can see how a town has in some ways more chances of saying this than a scum, capisce
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 10:39 GMT
#3862
ugh putting out useless guru wisdom that doesn't actually contribute is too much effort i'm going to bed
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 17:41 GMT
#4006
On June 21 2017 20:06 Rels wrote:
BH you're there ? I thought you scumread me for that dumbtell where I didn't know that scum KP went down to 1 after N2. Apparently I misunderstood ? Please explain if that's the case


yarp
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 17:41 GMT
#4007
hey so I see a bunch of people jumping on SL what's the actual case here? should I be sheeping or what
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 17:45 GMT
#4009
On June 22 2017 02:44 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 02:41 Blazinghand wrote:
hey so I see a bunch of people jumping on SL what's the actual case here? should I be sheeping or what


Sure, if you want to throw conventional vote logic out the window.

I guess that just isn't good enough for these advanced mafia tactics people are employing nowadays.


what's the conventional logic say and why
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:03 GMT
#4018
On June 21 2017 21:29 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:
On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:
looking back at fefe:
last post:
On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...

I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see.

town.
fairly sure.

Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread"

How is that townish?

*sigh*
why would scum do that?
scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff.
realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town.
aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be.
"i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement.


Yeah I actually think this is a valid point. Like, here's how you should look at it.

On the really basic level, the first level, Scum aren't coming from the same mindset of hunting scum that Town come from. Which means it's hard for Scum to have good reads and feel confident pushing them. This means that Town might formulate a read and make a case, but Scum would worry about appearing scummy or something, and therefore try to leave open a line of retreat. See, if you're town, and you think someone is scum, even if it's unpopular to think that, you won't give it up. You have a belief; you have evidence; you're gonna go for it. Scum, though, they're not trying to lynch this guy they think is scum. Instead, theyr'e trying to not get lynched. so maybe theyw ant to build their cases and reads with a line of retreat so they can change their minds if it's unpopular.

So on a naive level you would expect Town to be decisive and Scum to be waffly.

But if you go down into the second level, it turns out taht sometimes as Town you're confused. And to a certain extent, town doesn't actually CARE about looking town. I mean, obvs you don't wanna get lynched but you're also highly concerned with finding scum. Whereas scum, their ONLY concern is about looking town. And if "looking town" means decisively posting aggressive cases, Scum will try to ape this as best they can. Town will only do this when it makes sense for them.

So, we might see someone posting waffle-like uncertain reads. This could mean "ah hah, this is scum planning to pull out of these reads if they aren't popular" and that's possible. But because this really stands out, and is obviously scummy, it's like... the kind of thing that scum tries (but not always succeeds) to avoid doing. And town to a certain extent doesn't actually give a shit. Town wants to lynch properly.

so "I did half-assed work and got a half-assed townread" is, you know, it's not something i'm gonna go giving people tons of townreads on that, but there's not a HUGE motivation for scum to do that because 1) a half-assed townread won't get anyone lynched and 2) it kinda stands out as "bad" in a sense. And I'm not saying "too bad to be scum" but you can see how a town has in some ways more chances of saying this than a scum, capisce

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 19:39 Blazinghand wrote:
ugh putting out useless guru wisdom that doesn't actually contribute is too much effort i'm going to bed

Perfect self analysis. Completely pointless post made to have posts. Really bad.


Whoa buddy at least I own it.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:04 GMT
#4019
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:08 GMT
#4021
On June 21 2017 23:42 ruXxar wrote:
How likely is there even to be a 3P in the game?
None of my previous mafia games had a 3P


more likely in big games for there to be a 3P. You rarely see in games below 15.

On June 22 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
I mean, our blues gotta show up soon right?
I have this feeling in my bones that if we stray off the right path, some blue will pimpslap our faces and tell us to get back to lynching scum.


don't think about or focus on these things.

On June 22 2017 00:47 ruXxar wrote:
I hope we don't see a repeat of day 1 with last minute clown fiesta voting by afk people.


we could do shenanigans onto someone, this actually often works well

On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote:
Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit.


I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago.

You think grack is bussing here?

Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually.


And I don't see how this tip makes any sense.
If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him.

How is that a bad idea?


If you think grack is scum, vote for him. But don't try to like "not vote with him" or some weird shit like this until you know what his alignment is. The more improtant thing is whether he is scum. Also now I am wondering who Chezitwo is because he seems solid
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:14 GMT
#4024
On June 22 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then


Because people are voting together with grack who they called scum just a short while a ago.

Now they call SL scum and claim they both can be scum.

In no sane world are SL and grack scum together.


hmm so what do you think about Rels
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:44 GMT
#4050
On June 22 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then


Because people are voting together with grack who they called scum just a short while a ago.

Now they call SL scum and claim they both can be scum.

In no sane world are SL and grack scum together.


hmm so what do you think about Rels


I think rels is scum.


Why not vote him then, or is grack your stronger scumread

On June 22 2017 03:21 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then


Because people are voting together with grack who they called scum just a short while a ago.

Now they call SL scum and claim they both can be scum.

In no sane world are SL and grack scum together.


hmm so what do you think about Rels


I think rels is scum.


Which is why rels is town reading grack so hard.
Also why grack decided to vote for SL over Rels when they were even in votes.


IS the Rels read based entirely on the grack read? is it pure unflipped association?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 18:55 GMT
#4060
On June 22 2017 03:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ruxxar is all about unflipped association this game.

BH do you have reads? I haven't read your filter or anything just wondering


other than Rels = Scum not really no, I've been a useless piece of crap

On June 22 2017 03:49 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 03:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then


Because people are voting together with grack who they called scum just a short while a ago.

Now they call SL scum and claim they both can be scum.

In no sane world are SL and grack scum together.


hmm so what do you think about Rels


I think rels is scum.


Why not vote him then, or is grack your stronger scumread

On June 22 2017 03:21 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 22 2017 03:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 22 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
The short of it is this:

Vote logic tells me that grack and SL are not the same faction.
Who you believe is more scummy is up to you.


so why would you need to throw logic out the window to vote SL then


Because people are voting together with grack who they called scum just a short while a ago.

Now they call SL scum and claim they both can be scum.

In no sane world are SL and grack scum together.


hmm so what do you think about Rels


I think rels is scum.


Which is why rels is town reading grack so hard.
Also why grack decided to vote for SL over Rels when they were even in votes.


IS the Rels read based entirely on the grack read? is it pure unflipped association?


No.
I've had rels as a secondary scum read since after day 2.
Just a hair behind grack.


what do you think of Rels faking the dumbtells?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:18 GMT
#4076
I have a question. Is Damdred still in this game?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:19 GMT
#4082
On June 22 2017 04:18 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 04:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I have a question. Is Damdred still in this game?

nah he got modkilled and flipped vt.


Ok. Man I gotta say these hosts have

1) not a correct list of who is alive or dead
2) not all major posts linked in the OP
3) the posts that ARE linked, the links are broken

this is annoying
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:20 GMT
#4083
On May 28 2017 01:37 Onegu wrote:
Important posts:
/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=8#141]Day 1
/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=82#1629]Night 1
/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=106#2111]Day 2


Well they kinda work this way so will stay this way until I figure out a better way of doing things when I am not busy.


like what the dicks is this
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:24 GMT
#4089
Major posts:

Day 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=8#141
annul the Vt has been lynched
Night 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=82#1629
HF the VT has been shot
Koshi the Miller has been shot
Day 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=106#2111
Damdred, VT, was modkilled
Xat, Mafia RB, was lynched
Night 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=140#2794
DF the Wanderer was shot
Vivax the VT was shot
Day 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=157#3123
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:25 GMT
#4090
Actual Playerlist

3)Palmar
4)Rels
5)disformation
7)Tumblewood
9)VayneAuthority
10)beentheredonethat
11)raynpelikoneet
13)AMG Replaced by Blazinghand
14)marvellosity Replaced by Chezitwo
15)Grackaroni
17)Fecalfeast
19)Skynx
20)sicklucker
21)ruXxar
22)Eversince
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:27 GMT
#4091
whoa is it tied 6-6 between SL and Grack

3 hours left in the day

I, Blazinghand, am the only active player who hasn't cast a vote

IS THIS LYNCH ENTIRELY UP TO ME?!?!?! :D THIS IS AMAZING
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:33 GMT
#4095
On June 22 2017 04:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
eversince has definitely been around which means they are going to last second vote again, kinda annoying.

Hypocritical but rayn wasting his vote is not like him at all. I hope he comes back


huh good point. Are Eversince and Rayn around? let me know guys

If not I am in the position of ultimate power and get life or death authority, which would be great. I get to decide... which case is the best. which person is the scummiest. Grack, SL, if you want to beg for your lives now is the chance.

Disfo, Palm, Grack, REls, Skynx, Chez are voting for SL (6)
Rux, FF, BTDT, VA, TW, and SL are voting for Grack (6)

Rayn is on Rels, effectively not voting.
ES isn't voting

If Rayn and ES don't come back, and nobody changes their votes.... THE POWER IS MIIIIIINE
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 21 2017 19:35 GMT
#4097
hey Grack if you beg for your life and admit I'm the best I might vote SL instead of you
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