Watcher is definitely more powerful than cop, regardless of how the KP works.
Survivor is dumb because it's boring, best play is just to claim survivor and afk for the rest of the game as neither faction really gains anything from lynching you (especially town), which is dumb. It's like someone gave you a role where you cannot post at all, only vote - and only once / day. What's the point?

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June 14 2017 01:20 GMT

#162

Good morning.

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June 14 2017 01:52 GMT

#165

Depends on what Palmar happened to roll this game. At least it's more effective than tunneling him D2.

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June 14 2017 02:02 GMT

#167

Well at least i got one town read. It's a start.

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June 14 2017 02:38 GMT

#168

Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so!

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June 14 2017 04:06 GMT

#172

On June 14 2017 12:48 Fecalfeast wrote:

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How do you already have a townread?

Also what do you do that you have 16 hour shift+ commute?

Bcz i am so good. ^^

Normal work day and i promised to go fix co workers roof after. Shoyld have gone mon- tue but unfortunately wind and rain changed plans.

Tumblewood can you elaborate more on your last post please?

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June 14 2017 07:10 GMT

#185

On June 14 2017 15:41 disformation wrote:
and yes i saw this post, but i didnt get the same feeling from rayn, so id like xata to point it out a bit more.

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gotta run now.

What do i have to do with any of this?

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June 14 2017 07:29 GMT

#188

Ahhh... i get it now. I am pretty sure he is joking though.

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June 14 2017 09:33 GMT

#236

I have a slight problem with disformation's Koshi "read". I'll elaborate tonight as writing posts on phone is pain in the ass.

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June 14 2017 10:26 GMT

#258

On June 14 2017 18:47 Holyflare wrote:

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The problem is you're bad at reading between the lines. Get on holyformation's level.

The problem lies with the "maybe later" part. Like depending on what Koshi posts after does the scummy(?) part become more or less scummy to him or what?

I dont think what you and him said makes Koshi mafia.

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June 14 2017 11:40 GMT

#292

On June 14 2017 19:48 Koshi wrote:
rayn I like you. But why are you defending me? imo it is a good place to start. I completely broke meta there. Problem is that I also always make the townpost as mafia. So I could be so easily 3p.

Koshi confirmed bulletproof survivor. I am ok with it.

Im not defending you. I am questioning disformation and answered holyflare since it seemed like he was accusing me of something.

And now i am out of net for 6 hrs so laters.

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June 14 2017 11:43 GMT

#294

I never argued Koshi is town. Why do you have to intentionally twist something i said into something else holyflare?

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June 14 2017 21:38 GMT

#753

First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:

On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.

Another dude suspicious is disformation. First there is the Koshi thing where disformation basically went like "i agree this post is scummy but let me decide later after Koshi posts more if this post is actually scummy or not". That's fucking bullshit. You either think some post makes someone scum (if you call a post scummy) or you dont. A post doesn't become more scummy AFTER person has posted SOMETHING ELSE. That's a huge leap of logic, basically saying post A is scummy (or not) based on to-be-come-posts B and C.

Another thing that raises my eyebrows is this:

On June 14 2017 22:22 disformation wrote:

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oh right, the other dude who hasnt answered a good question asked of/to/from/of him

What does disformation actually wanna do this game? Apparently his top scum read (or 3p read, i don't even fucking know) votes for someone who hasn't posted basically anything. disformation decides that "because Palmar didn't do something when he wasn't here" he might be scummy. wooo woooo! And people call this dude one of their top town reads. What has he actually done despite being here a lot and posting a lot? What a joke.

Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was).

Tumblewood on the other hand didn't care to answer me afaik. Well now it doesn't matter, since it was about his comment on DF. Now i wont get anything out of it anyways so i have to judge him later. I didn't like how he approached the DF opening.

Xatalos is again being super antagonizing towards me. Can't fucking see the obvious while we have talked about this very same thing after basically every game where he decides to tunnel me (which is 100% of the last 2 yr games...). Unfortunately i think he's town though, i don't really think he would have this approach towards me (agreeing with HF based on fucking bullshit points) if he was mafia, since there is a chance i blow up on him and with certain people in the game ther ARE people who can see what is bullshit and what is not. I think he just genuinely believes in what he says about me, so to the ignorelist.

Skynx is most likely town. No need to repeat what others have said.

Vivax is so far the most level headed person in the game. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but he is town.

Palmar is most likely town for making the correct read (that he should make) there. I mean it's not even unlikely he would make the Vivax town read as mafia but given the game stance at the point i would think he would have more interest in calling me mafia and whatever i say paint it as "well you can't read me", just to fuck with me.

VayneAuthority is town.

btdt feels town. Idk he feels like he is just all over the place and completely lost in what he should think. Basically i jsut don't think he has a team behind him.

I don't think Koshi is mafia. Holyflare could be right in that he is 3p but i don't care about it right now. I think he has some smart posts. That's enough for me for now.

Damdred reads meehh... I gotta revisit his filter tomorrow. I am getting too tired today. I don't remember anything annul said, could be mafia. I don't know why people townread darthfoley, because i don't see any good posts from him that i remember. Another one to revisit tomorrow. Everyone else i don't remember anything about basically if they have posted.

I didn't even think i need to say this but don't be retarded and think someone is mafia because of what they didn't do when they weren't here. Think with your own brain and don't buy Holyflare's bullshit (yes man, that's fucking bullshit - a lot of what you said is just straight out bullshit regardless of your affiliation and regardless of if you even realize it or not). Think with your own brain.

I have a hard time dealing with being called out by half of the game because i happened to have to work 5:30 - 23:30 and some dumbass misconstrued what i said into fit his "this guy is scum" -narrative. I just don't like it, but i am trying to deal with it. Now excuse me i need to take a shower and wake up in 4 hours to work possibly only 14 hours. Fortunately i don't have to decide who to vote for until tomorrow evening.

peace

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June 14 2017 21:54 GMT

#758

On June 15 2017 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
I don't truly think rayn is mafia like he's implying I think either. I think his "defence" post was bad because it should have been really obvious I was just pushing koshi for conversation (apparently it wasn't) and that line stuck out to me as being wrong in the context of discussion.

Hopefully you got some super good reads out of that and i will hear about them tomorrow, otherwise you just have succesfully wasted half of D1 into nothing...

Now sleepytime.

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June 15 2017 03:23 GMT

#799

Koshi, if you think HF is town why is Xatalos' "uninterest" in talking about Koshi/HF scummy? I mean what do you see there? If he is scum and you two are not why would he not talk about it? Xatalos has a tendency to waffle from post to another (like in a post-what-comes-to-mind sort of way) as either alignment. Imo for him as mafia that would be a perfect topic to do what he usually does - and then get nowhere.

Also what's with the disfo read? I know very well disformation is super duper waffly as town aswell. But i am not talking about that in my read. I am more into the mindset of approaching certain situations. Its not "idk what to think" or "i change my mind" but rather the starting point of dealing with something is already completely off (as per what i said in my post yesterday).