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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:35 GMT
#5421
On June 26 2017 18:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2017 18:29 disformation wrote:
On June 26 2017 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Rofl I hadn't read the game but VA claims vigilante shooting our cop. That guy is so special

well. everyone thought sl was scum... =D

yeah (and so did I) but that guy just messes up so much.

Oh wait, I take that back, I'm thinking of someone completely different.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:41 GMT
#5422
Just read VA's filter. He's probably not mafia. Small chance of 3p obviously (just for having a killing role), but in general I don't think I have much interest in lynching him. While his filter is short it doesn't really scream mafia to me.

Do take my reads with a grain of salt btw, I am less involved than usual.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:52 GMT
#5423
I haven't finished ES's filter, but there's a few things here.

1) I read it right after VA's, because I kinda liked VA's "scummiest thing is to break character" line. But now I don't understand it. I have no idea what character ES was breaking.

2) ES made a big case on Xatalos. It probably wasn't needed I think? So there's a chance it was created just to appear to do something.

3) In that case I see Xatalos tried to fakeclaim a check on disformation. The only reason I'm suspicious of this being distancing rather than just a desperate clinging to straws, is that if I was on the mafia team, I'd immediately shoot a town disformation the next night, just to get rid of his activity and the fact a flipped mafia "spewed" him town. However, it is important to note I would _never_ suppose we try to lynch disfo at this point. If he is mafia, we simply look for the other two mafia. His sheer activity is too much to justify basically ever lynching him. And he is, even if you can question it, spewed town by Xatalos.

4) ES doesn't really sound like mafia. I don't read his posts and come across thinking he's overly careful or reserved.

In conclusion, unless I run out of people to lynch, I am removing ES, VA and Disfo from the lynch list today. (There's no way I'm reading Disfo's filter).

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:52 GMT
#5424
If someone can explain 1), that'd be appreciated.
Computer says mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 09:55 GMT
#5425
On June 26 2017 18:52 Palmar wrote:
If someone can explain 1), that'd be appreciated.

On June 15 2017 01:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
I stepped into the dusty bar, slightly late for my appointment with destiny. I had been tipped off that a lot of rabble and undesirables had been coming through here lately.

My eyes scanned over the place and found myself in a scum's paradise. It was loud and disorderly from the bartender to the poker players in the back. In almost every bar, you could rely on seeing the long paneled bar, usually made of oak or mahogany, and shining brilliantly. Encircling the base of the bar would be a gleaming brass foot rail with a row of leather stools along the bar. Along the ledge, the patrons would find towels hanging so that they might wipe the beer suds from their mustaches. The only thing that looked familiar here was the on-going poker game.

Now I won't say that every man in the place looked suspicious, but they didn't all look like angels either. One shady fellow looked to be gettin' along real well with most of the crowd, but something felt off to him about me. There were two older men towards the back of the bar having a bicker as others watched on, leaving me unsure as to their motives. One particular drunk at the bar kept insisting he was a cop to the bartender, which the bartender seemed to ignore. Probably a regular.

I was going to need some more time to find the bounty that eluded my senses at this point, and I sure as hell needed a beer.

On June 15 2017 04:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia.


Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion.
That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con.

This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns.

The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed.


breaking character to state that this is the scummiest post in the thread so far for me

didnt you just read VA?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 09:55 GMT
#5426
like VA was breaking HIS CHARACTER
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 09:56 GMT
#5427
also ES is uncc tracker that made us lynch TW (you know who flipped scum rolecop) by explaining to us who SL actually checked. cause she was tracking him and stuff.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:58 GMT
#5428
On June 26 2017 18:55 disformation wrote:
like VA was breaking HIS CHARACTER


This is what I realize now

I read it wrong.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 09:59 GMT
#5429
On June 26 2017 18:56 disformation wrote:
also ES is uncc tracker that made us lynch TW (you know who flipped scum rolecop) by explaining to us who SL actually checked. cause she was tracking him and stuff.

yes, there's far more to suggest ES, you and VA are all town, which is why I'm removing you all from potential lynches today.

Just making sure I do due diligence.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 10:02 GMT
#5430
I started reading rayn backwards (that is, from newest post and back), kinda expecting him to be mafia.

Turns out I don't really think he is, I don't particularly think he's town either, he's not in the same class of "not lynching today" as the other three, but he talks more like a townie than mafia.

And at one point in his filter Ruxxar bitches about rayn nitpicking something Rels said (I haven't found the actual nitpicking yet). But that kinda does sound towny from Ruxxar.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 10:03 GMT
#5431
I'm gonna give rayn's filter a pause (I've maybe read bottom 20-30% of it) and read btdt.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 10:14 GMT
#5432
Holy shit does beentheredonethat's filter look bad when considering Xatalos.

On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party

that's superbad


On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata disappeared?


Two random comments with no meat on them and no real attempt to lynch the guy he's calling superbad and disappearing. Instead, when df offers a wagon on Xatalos, it's instead met with (weak) resistance:

On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:40 darthfoley wrote:
On June 14 2017 22:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 14 2017 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Let me do this:
##vote btdt
- Focused on a very small part of this thread.
- Reads seem more opportunistic than real.
- Very strong and closed in his language/thoughts. Not carefree and open.


I can explain it with many words but I am going to keep it at this for the time being.

so I

a) comment intensely on koshi/hf/you
b) scumread you, not following the 3p thing (alhtough a vote is a vote of course)
c) call out annul
d) poke xata

* and I'm opportunistic? Opportinistic would be to vote rayn
* a small part of this thread? the major part of this thread.

how am I not carefree? I think I'm super carefree lol


Let's vote Xata together, right now. You and I. Forever.

While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons?


Read the entire quote that follows. On what level are btdt's contributions helpful or insightful at all.

On June 14 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:47 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 22:46 Holyflare wrote:
On June 14 2017 22:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 14 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:
On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.


How is this an intelligent plan at all?

#3 to say that
(I think, maybe more)

darth comes on the town pile.



If he's the third person to say it why is he town??


TIL you can only have one person make a claim and one other person agree with the claim before any other people become suspect

So passive aggressive

but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, he also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too


And through it all, btdt sits on Koshi, despite thinking koshi looks better and Xata worse:

On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all.

I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town.

Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid.

Thats kind of where im at.


btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread. Then he bitched about it in the night:

On June 16 2017 14:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
bad thing: Koshi lynch averted
bad thing #2: annul being lynched over xata
good thing: xata being 2nd wagon

I think a scum!xata will give us lots of indication and I highly suggest xata to be shot at night.


Maybe should have done something about that?

I think there is about 100% chance btdt is mafia

##Vote beentheredonethat

I'm not done with his filter, but this day 1 looks very much terrible. I was getting paranoid that I was being to lenient because like the first 4 people I read actually look like townies, but this guy doesn't look like a townie at all on first glance.

Please give me reasons why I should townread him if anyone has any. To me this is almost a good enough case on it's own.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 10:19 GMT
#5433
He never voted Xata on day 1.

I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading.

btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this:

Good reasons to think town
Disfo
VA
ES

Some reasons to think town
rayn
ruxxar

Good reasons to think mafia
btdt

Unread/No opinion
Rels
Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading)
Blazinghand
FecalFeast
Computer says mafia
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 11:03 GMT
#5434
Yey scum lynching scum, i can get used to this.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 11:58 GMT
#5435
On June 26 2017 20:03 Skynx wrote:
Yey scum lynching scum, i can get used to this.

eh. well. shouldnt you be asking/answering which one of the two has the higher chance of flipping scum?
aka why btdt over plammar?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 26 2017 12:04 GMT
#5436
because I'm a lot less mafia than he is. Like I'm only mafia a very little bit. Mostly I'm town. My spirit animal is grass. Because it's green.
Computer says mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 12:15 GMT
#5437
ah finally found it. some ppl (read:me) were already pressing btdt about the d1 vote. see part 1 first post and 2nd post.
On June 19 2017 17:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
the solution to btdt playing how he played is super easy

I have not read a lot of this game. Thus I stick to claims. darthfoley's narrative is super fake and I am highly worried about him being scum. Here's why:

1. I was not in thread when Xata vs. Annul happened. I left the thread and I only came back after the flip. I hadn't read shit and I would've joined the Xata train if I had been in thread. You're completely dismissing the fact that I simply wasn't there. There was no possibility for me to vote Xata.

2. During N1, I repeatedly said that Xata should be the shot.

3. When I came back to the thread (and admittedly didn't read shit) I was super content with Xata being the lynch. I joined his wagon rather early.

4. Yep, I defended scum claiming cop. Why the fuck would I go out of my scum way to defend my scum teammate who at the point where I'm trying it is already the lynch? It's absolutely pointless, it's dumb, and it doesn't even fit my scum meta. The last game where I was scum was won because I bussed my teammate super hardcore, starting D1. Why would I ever stop blaming Xata here?




On June 19 2017 17:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 17:08 disformation wrote:
i agree that btdt's read progression on koshi later d1 is really strange.
dont understand how he goes from:
On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all.

I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town.

Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid.

Thats kind of where im at.

to:
On June 16 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:04 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like the annul town reads.

I think his A-B comparison thing is scummy.


I agree with Koshi and darthfoley here

to:
On June 16 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:08 Koshi wrote:
I am obvious town and you can't fucking read me HF. How shit are you then? Just because I didn't open like I used to and now you are fucking reading everything as biased as fuck in some wicked way to proof you can read somebody after 1 sentence while you are so fucking blind it is really hilarious tbh.

This is the thing why I don't buy Koshi's "rage" by the way.

Like, when you start a big sentence, people will remember the first and the last thing you said and not the whole rest. The structure used here is "I am obvious town", then blabla reasons "just because", followed up by "you're so fucking blind it's hilarious".

Koshi shouldn't put emphasis on WHAT he is. He will always claim town, as anyone would, regardless of actual alignment. But instead, he yells "I AM TOWN", puts the reasoning (which is the IMPORTANT part) right between two seemingly emotional statements

I have caught Koshi already as scum D1 and I'm fairly confident here.

When I skimmed this morning he looked better but I just skimmed. so, yeah. my vote is good where it's at.

to:
On June 16 2017 02:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Enough rage. You won't see more of that. Please somebody call it fake rage. I am going to post less because this is not really fun for me and when a lot of people are tunneled there is not much I can do.


I'll continue to solve the game but might just do a couple posts from time to time. But maybe not that much.


I have enough pages of filter to let you analyse. I was truthful in every post and tried to solve the game. Problem is that trying was greeted by dumb accusation way too many times instead of some help.

He claimed to post less, then went on to post actually more than he did before (3.5 pages of filter).
Which is town indicative in a weird way?

to:
On June 16 2017 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay I am officially tunneled on Koshi :D

On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait.

It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities.

He wants to lynch you though. So is he lynchbait or is he scum being fine with the Koshi wagon?

the tunnel post is ultra strange to me...

over xata. who he also scumread quite heavily, but ignored pretty hard during that time. did he ever comment on xata's big reads post?
wish he would have been there at deadline. would have been interesting to see where his vote ended up.

i feel like btdt's rage d2 was slightly more town, but he is very volatile as either alignment. Xata baby sealing it up can also be either a way to discredit btdt or protect him. so d2 is a bit wifomy for btdt and i kinda want to treat it as nai.

@btdt can you explain that progression a bit more?

I had Koshi as scum. Then I came back to the thread, caught somewhat up (besides two pages), and my impression was that Koshi wasn't as scummy as I thought.
So I dropped what went through my mind at that point.
I then proceeded to rather randomly check people but ended up reading Koshi's filter once more (thus the tunneling comment, I found it funny because my intention was to not focus on Koshi), quoting posts I found interesting/scummy. Finally, I came to the conclusion that "no, Koshi actually didn't improve, he's still scum".

I was super surprised he was killed tbh because I wanted to push him D2 all day long with Xata being the vig shot

one can dream


tbh the "i would have voted xata" part is a bit annoying cause neither him nor the ppl scumreading him can prove their point.
point 4 in the first post is very legit.

@plammar comment?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 12:19 GMT
#5438
okay sorry df and me were pressing him.
sorry @ df <3
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 12:25 GMT
#5439
i guess a good question for the btdt direction would be...
"does it look like he legit scumread koshi?"
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 26 2017 12:31 GMT
#5440
though scum not being around at eod1 sounds fairly plausible given the results.
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