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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 22 2017 23:26 GMT
#4901
On June 23 2017 08:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok so bh is scum.

yup
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 22 2017 23:26 GMT
#4902
On June 23 2017 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Or, bh, we can assume mafia knows the setup and takes that as a claim but hey yeah let's lynch into the two people likely to be town.

We already had a miller flip as well


why would "I have red checks on these guys" be anything but a cop claim, if as mafia, you see that the RED CHECKS ARE ON TWO OF YOUR RED GUYS

man why am I even arguing with you, you're mafia!

Or you see that post, knowing chez and i are towns and that there is a parity cop and think HMm.. maybe sl has a same check on those 2 townies

You'reso scum wowow
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:27 GMT
#4903
On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous.


no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:27 GMT
#4904
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)

Because they know SL will claim if push comes to shove, you moron.

Btw. wasn't there a VA comment which went something like "SL will fakeclaim anyways"? What's up with that?!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:28 GMT
#4905
On June 23 2017 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Or, bh, we can assume mafia knows the setup and takes that as a claim but hey yeah let's lynch into the two people likely to be town.

We already had a miller flip as well


why would "I have red checks on these guys" be anything but a cop claim, if as mafia, you see that the RED CHECKS ARE ON TWO OF YOUR RED GUYS

man why am I even arguing with you, you're mafia!

Or you see that post, knowing chez and i are towns and that there is a parity cop and think HMm.. maybe sl has a same check on those 2 townies

You'reso scum wowow


So what, your theory here is that mafia had a rolecheck on SL revealing his as parity cop, and I, as Mafia, with the option to either kill Grack or SL hwo I knew was parity cop, hung out in the thread partying it up, then voted Grack? what kind of ass theory is that
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:28 GMT
#4906
On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous.


no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks

Yes, and mafia certainly will believe that he has 2 actual redchecks without claiming it while being wagoned. Because that makes a lot of sense, right?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 22 2017 23:29 GMT
#4907
Fair enough but I'm still town babe
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:30 GMT
#4908
On June 23 2017 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Or, bh, we can assume mafia knows the setup and takes that as a claim but hey yeah let's lynch into the two people likely to be town.

We already had a miller flip as well


why would "I have red checks on these guys" be anything but a cop claim, if as mafia, you see that the RED CHECKS ARE ON TWO OF YOUR RED GUYS

man why am I even arguing with you, you're mafia!

Or you see that post, knowing chez and i are towns and that there is a parity cop and think HMm.. maybe sl has a same check on those 2 townies

You'reso scum wowow


So what, your theory here is that mafia had a rolecheck on SL revealing his as parity cop, and I, as Mafia, with the option to either kill Grack or SL hwo I knew was parity cop, hung out in the thread partying it up, then voted Grack? what kind of ass theory is that

Maybe you are mafia maybe you aren't. In any case mafia knew they would not be able to lynch him.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 23:30 GMT
#4909
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)


Doesn't this counter the point you're trying to make?
If they knew he was parity cop, wouldn't they try to vote him out?

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:30 GMT
#4910
On June 23 2017 08:27 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)

Because they know SL will claim if push comes to shove, you moron.

Btw. wasn't there a VA comment which went something like "SL will fakeclaim anyways"? What's up with that?!


ok but like, that doesn't matter in my thoery, which is that the Mafia (which includes at least 1 of you and FeFe) learned about SL's identity overnight, like 12 hours ago, then shot him to keep him quiet.

There is a question as to whether Mafia would be able to push a lynch through over a claim, and post-claim SL would be docced if there was a doctor. So it's I suppose plausible that SL was known to scum to be a cop, and they did their best to keep pressure off of him during D3. But this eems like kinda a stretch to me man, quite a stretch!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 22 2017 23:31 GMT
#4911
If you get enough dummies to follow you bh at least lynch me first since chezi is obviously a more useful player.

Still think it's a super dumb plan
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:31 GMT
#4912
On June 23 2017 08:30 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)


Doesn't this counter the point you're trying to make?
If they knew he was parity cop, wouldn't they try to vote him out?



OMG READING COMPREHENSION

I AM POINTING OUT THAT

IN A WORLD IN WHICH MAFIA HAD A ROLE CHECK

THEY WOULD PUSH SICKLUCKER

SINCE THEY DIDN'T

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A ROLE CHECK

SO WHY DID THEY SHOOT HIM

ITS NOT CAUSE HE WAS TOWN LEADER

ITS CAUSE THEY GOT HIS ROLE SOME OTHER WAY

LIKE HIS OVERNIGHT CLAIM

THAT ONLY STUCK OUT IF YOU ARE MAFIA

I AM POINTING OUT THAT THE COUNTERFACTUAL OF ROLE CHECK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:31 GMT
#4913
On June 23 2017 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:27 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)

Because they know SL will claim if push comes to shove, you moron.

Btw. wasn't there a VA comment which went something like "SL will fakeclaim anyways"? What's up with that?!


ok but like, that doesn't matter in my thoery, which is that the Mafia (which includes at least 1 of you and FeFe) learned about SL's identity overnight, like 12 hours ago, then shot him to keep him quiet.

There is a question as to whether Mafia would be able to push a lynch through over a claim, and post-claim SL would be docced if there was a doctor. So it's I suppose plausible that SL was known to scum to be a cop, and they did their best to keep pressure off of him during D3. But this eems like kinda a stretch to me man, quite a stretch!

No, it seems quite logical unlike your written diarrhea just now.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:32 GMT
#4914
no u
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:33 GMT
#4915
On June 23 2017 08:31 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 23 2017 08:30 ruXxar wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:
OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it:

On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
so lets start again:

town:
fefe
chezitwo

if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases


I have a red check on both of them


I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks.

Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things.

BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd

MAFIA SHOT HIM.

Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target.

Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL!

I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez.

But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out

this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory

now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks

they couldn't afford to let him live.

Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.


hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away.

on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical)


Doesn't this counter the point you're trying to make?
If they knew he was parity cop, wouldn't they try to vote him out?



OMG READING COMPREHENSION

I AM POINTING OUT THAT

IN A WORLD IN WHICH MAFIA HAD A ROLE CHECK

THEY WOULD PUSH SICKLUCKER

SINCE THEY DIDN'T

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A ROLE CHECK

SO WHY DID THEY SHOOT HIM

ITS NOT CAUSE HE WAS TOWN LEADER

ITS CAUSE THEY GOT HIS ROLE SOME OTHER WAY

LIKE HIS OVERNIGHT CLAIM

THAT ONLY STUCK OUT IF YOU ARE MAFIA

I AM POINTING OUT THAT THE COUNTERFACTUAL OF ROLE CHECK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

MAFIA DID NOT PUSH HIM BECAUSE THE WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT IF THEY PUSH THE COP

MAFIA WILL NEVER BELIEVE SICKLUCKER IS AN ACTUAL FULL COP WITH 2 REDCHECK WITHOUT CLAIMING
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:35 GMT
#4916
Like, this isn't hard to understand dude. They can't expect to lynch him without him claiming. And that is what they do NOT want.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:35 GMT
#4917
Nice ninja vote again, Mr. Palmar.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:36 GMT
#4918
On June 23 2017 08:35 Chezitwo wrote:
Like, this isn't hard to understand dude. They can't expect to lynch him without him claiming. And that is what they do NOT want.


I'm not saying it's inherently right, i'm just mad he misconstrued what I said. surely you understand the chain of logic

but yes if we ALREADY assume mafia has a rolecop, there are two factors at play: 1, they want SL to die, but 2) they don't want him to claim.

this also assumes they rolecopped him during N2, since if they rolecopped him N1, they'd have shot him N2 100%
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2017 23:36 GMT
#4919
On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous.


no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks


I disagree with this point.

If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already.

So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either:

1) is that he is a parity cop.
2) he is bluffing.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 22 2017 23:37 GMT
#4920
On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous.


no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks


I disagree with this point.

If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already.

So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either:

1) is that he is a parity cop.
2) he is bluffing.


Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"?
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