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On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?
1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment.
2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him.
3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar).
4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.
The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here.
1) dont care about this
2) he did play very little d1. have seem him drop the ball hard as town d1 before. yes his annul/xata stuff is bad, but a lot of ppl have that problem.
4) he did barely play d1. d2 there was nothing to push, i think he is starting to work today.
so these points look pretty nai to me.
will need to check for 3) this might be a good point
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the irony of calling my reads surface level when he's raging at me on surface level details
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On June 21 2017 20:54 ruXxar wrote:
I'm really happy that there are two wagons now, one on grack and one on sicklucker.
When grack flips scum it's going to be real easy to find the rest of the mafia.
if at least one is scum eod might get funny again.
maybe ill try to be there after all
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On June 21 2017 21:00 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:54 ruXxar wrote:
I'm really happy that there are two wagons now, one on grack and one on sicklucker.
When grack flips scum it's going to be real easy to find the rest of the mafia. if at least one is scum eod might get funny again. maybe ill try to be there after all
You should, it's going to be real fun. I promise 
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On June 21 2017 19:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:47 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 19:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:44 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 19:43 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:looking back at fefe: last post: On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...
I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see. town. fairly sure. Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread" How is that townish? *sigh* why would scum do that? scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff. realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town. aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be. "i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement. A super strong statement contradicted by "I kinda think". And I super disagree with you regarding townreading "hey I almost did something". That's just bad. no. you are just bad for not realizing that is a super obv town post. piss off, 24-filters-I-have-done-nothing-disformation i really really really dislike ppl telling me i did nothing, when i put more effort and time into the game then the rest of the whole fucking game combined. I am not sure if there's a more self-righteous person in the game. Or have ever been.
*hands mirror*
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Rels is slowly climbing up the towny ladder. Very good.
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yeah rels should not be the lynch today imo
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On June 21 2017 21:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Rels is slowly climbing up the towny ladder. Very good.
good. Now if that could make SL climbing your vote ladder that would be even better
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On June 21 2017 19:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:28 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:28 disformation wrote:
well. to help you guys out:
ruxxar:
+ pushing ppl to vote his scumreads
+ baiting around to make ppl do stuff on otherwise dead days (d2) (this one is big for me)
+ tone
small nitpicks:
- not sure if him spamming his grack list is padding his filter.
- sometimes his baiting looks like testing the waters or him seeing what could stick.
overall i think he is way more town than nearly everyone else. - pushed Annul mislynch - pushed Grack like a madman esp. his "everyone who pushed Grack gets a townread" makes it feel like he's super happy if everyone just auto's on grack today which makes me think Grack is town well a lot of ppl pushed/voted annul and i think ruxxar happens to look better than a lot of other ppl on that wagon. and since we dont know what grack will flip yet, the other part is unflipped association. Like, I can see Grack being scum. Granted. But the way Ruxxar is pushing Grack is weirding me out, this "auto on Grack guys and you all get a townread" thing is just... yeah dunno, it's weirding me out.
Ruxxar did a lot of weird things. This is not one of them.
On June 21 2017 20:31 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming. He did push Annul. It's true, I can bring up 5-10 posts where he's pushing Annul and/or talking people into lynching Annul. Having also read the summary of why you're scumreading him, I think it's mainly meta reasons. I can see your points in saying "it's NAI if you push a town lynch super hard or scum read someone who flips immediately", so yeah you're right. I think he shouldn't be the lynch today. Flipping Grack/Skynx gives us a lot of information, we can associate a lot and we'll be able to read more into other people's reads, which is like the exact ground where sicklucker can do the weird good posting that you expect him to do.
I fail to see how lynching Grack or Skynx gives us more information than lynching Mr. Sicklucker.
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On June 21 2017 21:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:24 Chezitwo wrote:
Rels is slowly climbing up the towny ladder. Very good. good. Now if that could make SL climbing your vote ladder that would be even better
You are working on it.
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On June 21 2017 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:looking back at fefe: last post: On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...
I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see. town. fairly sure. Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread" How is that townish? *sigh* why would scum do that? scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff. realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town. aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be. "i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement. Yeah I actually think this is a valid point. Like, here's how you should look at it. On the really basic level, the first level, Scum aren't coming from the same mindset of hunting scum that Town come from. Which means it's hard for Scum to have good reads and feel confident pushing them. This means that Town might formulate a read and make a case, but Scum would worry about appearing scummy or something, and therefore try to leave open a line of retreat. See, if you're town, and you think someone is scum, even if it's unpopular to think that, you won't give it up. You have a belief; you have evidence; you're gonna go for it. Scum, though, they're not trying to lynch this guy they think is scum. Instead, theyr'e trying to not get lynched. so maybe theyw ant to build their cases and reads with a line of retreat so they can change their minds if it's unpopular. So on a naive level you would expect Town to be decisive and Scum to be waffly. But if you go down into the second level, it turns out taht sometimes as Town you're confused. And to a certain extent, town doesn't actually CARE about looking town. I mean, obvs you don't wanna get lynched but you're also highly concerned with finding scum. Whereas scum, their ONLY concern is about looking town. And if "looking town" means decisively posting aggressive cases, Scum will try to ape this as best they can. Town will only do this when it makes sense for them. So, we might see someone posting waffle-like uncertain reads. This could mean "ah hah, this is scum planning to pull out of these reads if they aren't popular" and that's possible. But because this really stands out, and is obviously scummy, it's like... the kind of thing that scum tries (but not always succeeds) to avoid doing. And town to a certain extent doesn't actually give a shit. Town wants to lynch properly. so "I did half-assed work and got a half-assed townread" is, you know, it's not something i'm gonna go giving people tons of townreads on that, but there's not a HUGE motivation for scum to do that because 1) a half-assed townread won't get anyone lynched and 2) it kinda stands out as "bad" in a sense. And I'm not saying "too bad to be scum" but you can see how a town has in some ways more chances of saying this than a scum, capisce
On June 21 2017 19:39 Blazinghand wrote:
ugh putting out useless guru wisdom that doesn't actually contribute is too much effort i'm going to bed
Perfect self analysis. Completely pointless post made to have posts. Really bad.
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does any of you have meta on skynx regarding his tone and the martyring thing?
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On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?
1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment.
2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him.
3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar).
4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.
The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here.
Ok, Rayn. But your Rels stuff just is not very convincing. I think his explanation for the ES stuff is fine. You have somewhat of a point with the annul thing but meh.
I do not think his reads are surface level. For example: yes, his read on me was shit but it was quite obviously because he didn't realize I was marvs replacement. He is also pushing his scumread today.
Do you have something better to offer?
On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise
Very tempting.
On June 21 2017 20:08 Rels wrote:
rayn is also certainly scum. Nitpicking details to hell and not trying to comprehend stuff. + saying I'm doing nothing with my scumreads when it could be argueed that I'm the most influential dude today, creating the counter wagon to Grack.
Dunno if he is certainly scum but the spark of town genius Rayn is missing completely.
On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming.
Yep.
Overall I might even prefer SL over Grack right now. Maybe I will switch later. Btw. I really do not understand this:
On June 21 2017 20:54 ruXxar wrote:
I'm really happy that there are two wagons now, one on grack and one on sicklucker.
When grack flips scum it's going to be real easy to find the rest of the mafia.
You mentioned this a lot. I have no idea why you think so.
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dunno. would expect town rayn to be more fiery in trying to force ppl to vote for his scum read.
but cant tell if it is lack of time or lack of town.
town rayn can tunnel/scumread ppl for meh reasons sometimes though. mostly related to suboptimal town play, or the lack of what town should do etc
still feeling fairly null about him
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On June 21 2017 21:34 disformation wrote:
does any of you have meta on skynx regarding his tone and the martyring thing?
Feels real towny to me.
Seemed like a very genuine reaction when I was being a bit cross with him.
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yeah, i kinda feel his tone is more likely town.
though the case on me was real bad.
-.-
funnily that would mean the xata wagon is pure.
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so. if i set the bar for town leans really low i am down to this list:
3)Palmar
9)VayneAuthority
11)raynpelikoneet
15)Grackaroni
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince
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On June 21 2017 21:45 disformation wrote:
so. if i set the bar for town leans really low i am down to this list:
3)Palmar
9)VayneAuthority
11)raynpelikoneet
15)Grackaroni
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince
Can you post the opposite list.
All scum leans?
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On June 21 2017 21:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:45 disformation wrote:
so. if i set the bar for town leans really low i am down to this list:
3)Palmar
9)VayneAuthority
11)raynpelikoneet
15)Grackaroni
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince Can you post the opposite list. All scum leans?
Or wait... I think I misunderstood. This is the scum leans.
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On June 21 2017 21:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:45 disformation wrote:
so. if i set the bar for town leans really low i am down to this list:
3)Palmar
9)VayneAuthority
11)raynpelikoneet
15)Grackaroni
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince Can you post the opposite list. All scum leans?
that is the null - scum list
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