On June 05 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:
holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum.
holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum.
That's townie as hell. Best example of idgaf attitude.
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On June 05 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done. ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum. That's townie as hell. Best example of idgaf attitude. | ||
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I'm currently inclined to flip my reads on Grack (to town) and HF (to scum) | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote: Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote: why would grack be town? Page 2 of his filter has plenty of townie posts. Also PoE cause I'm currently thinking mafia is BH/HF/PB with a +-1 margin of error or something like that. Maybe LS but I don't think he looks that bad apart from thinking that TW reading TS town after missing the joke is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads: Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't. Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack. Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie. It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. On June 04 2017 23:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack. On June 04 2017 23:51 Grackaroni wrote: I have a feeling that TW is town too even though his read on me makes no sense. I think these posts come off fairly townie and I simply like the way Grack puts them out there and for example how he found something that doesn't make sense in TW yet doesn't use it as an excuse to push him when there's baddies like HF trying to get him lynched. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote: On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote: On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote: On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote: On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote: On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. Best case 2017 | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:23 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 04:17 Vivax wrote: On June 05 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote: why would grack be town? Page 2 of his filter has plenty of townie posts. Also PoE cause I'm currently thinking mafia is BH/HF/PB with a +-1 margin of error or something like that. Maybe LS but I don't think he looks that bad apart from thinking that TW reading TS town after missing the joke is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads: Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't. Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack. Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie. It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. On June 04 2017 23:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack. On June 04 2017 23:51 Grackaroni wrote: I have a feeling that TW is town too even though his read on me makes no sense. I think these posts come off fairly townie and I simply like the way Grack puts them out there and for example how he found something that doesn't make sense in TW yet doesn't use it as an excuse to push him when there's baddies like HF trying to get him lynched. a bh/hf team? you think hf defends a teammate who has contributed this little (BH) this hard on d1? i don't think that aligns with how hf plays mafia. HF does what he wants and how he treats alleged teammates is 100% wifom. If you use HFs read on someone to get a read on that someone you already lost before the race even started I made that mistake last game and wanted to lynch Palmar. | ||
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RItoky last game (generic II) we had a lynch day where we were deciding between HF and Palmar. Scum HF went out of his way hard defending Palmar and trying to lynch LS and SL instead (both town) and that ended up in a foreseeable HF lynch for him. So he basically voluntarily traded himself in resulting in Palmar getting lynched the next day although the outcome would have been the exact same if he didn't. It just made sure we REALLY lynched Palmar cause HF made it look like he was trying to win the game on the spot for both of them. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote: Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. If I snip out the other fluff. This is what it boils down to. 1) PB doesn't realize that BHs post is just stand up comedy when he's trying to catch people from talking about his RNG. Doesn't matter if BH is right about Grack, he's never going to get lynched off that argument. 2) PB writes a huge amount of text to explain the obvious meaning he should understand (1) and still doesn't conclude that BH isn't doing anything although he should be doing something if town. What he does instead is pretend that BH is a newbie and that he actually believes his own arguments on Grack which is completely reaching. 3) He relies on his a-priori bad read "Ive seen town play like BH but not scum, ergo BH must be town" already. The follow up is just a completely contrived way of saying he doesn't agree with him on Grack, and after writing all this contrived thing he states that it is another reason to TR BH altough he already decided that BH is town anyway, so that defeats the point. TL;DR: PBs post is a scummy pile of drivel where he just gives really shallow opinions as a reaction to the wagon on BH and attaches conclusions to them afterwards to justify the drivel he just wrote. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote: Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!" Pretty good argument thanks for summing it up. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote: vivax, do you think TW is town? 2 pages of filter ritoky On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Like I don't even care if BH does end up being mafia. Why waste your time even talking about him? He's pretty much a coin flip. Why not Tumblewood who declared BH town based on meta straight away? Who has also town read Grack (who has still done nothing) and has also tried to retroactively justify his grack town read? Who said Tubesock's posts were bad and got the joke after it was explained but still berated him even though he called him town. Why not fidei who has reads that contradict anything he should be thinking? Who put myself and Tumblewood in the same scummy pile but then realised he didn't actually acknowledge anything I had said and pleaded ignorance after the fact. While pushing the guy I wanted to lynch with my same reasoning. Why not like 60% of this game really? Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia. Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town. And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available. On June 05 2017 03:53 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 03:49 Tubesock wrote: On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote: On June 05 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Like I don't even care if BH does end up being mafia. Why waste your time even talking about him? He's pretty much a coin flip. Why not Tumblewood who declared BH town based on meta straight away? Who has also town read Grack (who has still done nothing) and has also tried to retroactively justify his grack town read? Who said Tubesock's posts were bad and got the joke after it was explained but still berated him even though he called him town. Why not fidei who has reads that contradict anything he should be thinking? Who put myself and Tumblewood in the same scummy pile but then realised he didn't actually acknowledge anything I had said and pleaded ignorance after the fact. While pushing the guy I wanted to lynch with my same reasoning. Why not like 60% of this game really? Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia. Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town. And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available He is trying to get along. Or at least avoid confrontation. The meta read on BH is total bullshit. And towning me for being bad is also bullshit. So basically when nothing was going on in the thread and you drop a joke, mafia tumble randomly decided to push scum on you and then call you town? Doesn't quite compute. It's much simpler: He didn't realize it was a joke post. It got him worked up that you were lying/talking nonsense in his eyes and he started moaning about it, but then realized he dun goofed, realized his argument was nonsense and walked away in shame. He could have simply, y'know, done nothing? Be lazy? On June 05 2017 04:49 Fidei86 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 04:01 Vivax wrote: I don't understand how anyone can take BHs push on Grack seriously, it was obviously just a stand up comedy, although the argument itself is correct (that Grack actually wasn't oblivious to how BH calculates his RNG). I'm currently inclined to flip my reads on Grack (to town) and HF (to scum) Vivax talk me through this? Which part? The reason I flipped my read on Grack is in my filter and ritoky I think already asked about it. The reason HF is scum is that he defends a BH blatantly doing nothing to solve the game calling him a coinflip although he was actively useless and pushes TW and generally tries to block me from hunting mafia. The reason BHs push on Grack is stand up comedy is that no sane person can realistically expect an experienced player like BH to believe that his argument is going to get Grack lynched cause there's no benefit for Grack as mafia to consciously lie about not knowing how the random number is determined. | ||
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and pushes TW and generally tries to block me from hunting mafia. This is about HF, not BH btw. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote: Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH. Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia. That's a really really really simple task. No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it. My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other. The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else. | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:16 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote: On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote: Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH. Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia. That's a really really really simple task. No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it. My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other. The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else. your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT scummy fuck jesus christ Liar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=Blazinghand&view=all Lynched Day 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483428-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-3?user=Blazinghand&view=all Lynched Day 1 - POSTING HUGE WALL OF TEXT ANALYSIS POSTS | ||
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On April 22 2015 13:03 Blazinghand wrote: Damdred is a solid lynch today. His posts don't show a mindset of someone trying to sovle the game. Let's take a look at how things start off. The game begins, and Damdred starts off with some typical troll posts that you see at the start of games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117712 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117713 which are unmeaningful. A page or two later, Damdred starts complaining about votes being thrown around (link) and says he hates it. He doesn't explicitly state that he thinks it's a bad idea, but there you go. Then, he says he hasn't read the game, then, he votes me (link) for "not playing" when the game is at its very outset. This is almost the definition of a vote being "thrown around", something that damdred hates. Then, he says he thinks I'm scum (link) in response to someone saying he needs to play, even though he is supposedly town and admits taht he hasn't played ("I'll play don't worry"). So,w hat's Damdred even thinking here? Like, the people who come in later and want to policy me for having an excuse, sure, that's fine. The people who hate me for not posting for 24 hours, I get them. These are all actually reasonable reasons to scumread me. It is literally Classic Blazinghand play to use an IRL excuse to not play. (I would note, by the way, that I merely asked for more time, something easily attained in this game-- surely there's no problem there. This isn't a traditional deadline game). Regardless of their own skills, people can reasonably say that me posting after 18 hours saying "haha IRL reasonz duderz" is classic scum Blazinghand. And it is. But what's Damdred doing here? and then, look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24118610 Damdy posts a list post here, in which he states that I'm scum and he would vote for woS, and various other thoughts. Do we see any progression up to this? Does this actually do anything to help anyone? Of course not. Does he have questions for others, does he want to look at the game? No, he does not. This isn't Damdred pushing his ideas, this isn't Damdred trying to convince peopel to vote me even, it's just... filler. And he even calls it silly. That doesn't make it not scummy, that he calls it silly. He later comes, and uh, asks himself some questions (link). The fact that he asks himself the questions is like, minorly townie I guess since he's having fun. I don't think it really makes him town though. now he goes calling me scum based on me being "active elsewhere", (link) which seems pretty strange to me given that the only place I was posting (IIRC) was posting the D1 post to start the newbie game, which was actually before the start of Hapa's game. If I'm really active elsewhere, Damdred, why not bring exampels? Why not quote or link the posts I'm making elsewhere, or whatever? Now maybe it's against your ethics or whatever, but wait a second, clearly it's NOT since you mentioned it. So, another accusation with no oomph, more statements without real backup. Let's take a look at Damdy's post in more depths and let's see if he's actually contributing here, or just making noise. Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: This part is a bit trickier, trfel as scum in my experience likes to be in the thick of the action trying to shape other peoples reads and causing subtle confusions. Very unlike bh scum game which is more behind the scenes, besides trfels last bit post who h was ok that puts him more towards the bottom of null rather than town. This is nothing. This is like, not even trying to scumhunt. First off, I don't see any actual mention of games. What experience? Maybe it's just a light meta read of trfel, but where did this come from? Even a mention of like "when I played with him in cell and he was scum there" or whatever (as I think Damdred says later in his filter about me) would make sense, but we don't see anything. Also worth noting here that this read isn't something you'd capitalize on. In fact, this entire paragraph is just scummier. "Towards the bottom of null" is like, the least read you can give someone that will most likely make me think you're scum. Here's what this looks like to me. Damdy wants to lynch trfel, maybe later, so he can't be seen actively defending trrfel without getting some heat. He doesn't want to lynch trfel yet though, he's hoping to get a wagon rolling on me in the first 24h. If he actively turns up the heat on trfel he'd have to commit to it, or talk about it, and genearlly as scum Damdy wants as little preassure as possible. so he makes this minor read on trfel. It "sets up" for his later scumread, but for now, bam, looks vague enough he won't get pressed on it, but gives him some cred later. town wouldn't bother wasting all this time talking about a "bottom of null" read. Definitey scum move. Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: Breshke is one of the greatest forces of good in the thread amen. Has some of the highest activity good thoughts questions and interacting with everyone he can. Really good town atm. this could be an emptry quote and it would share the same amount of info. Damdred here isn't doing anything useful or providing insights, but the buddying with Breshke comes nonetheless. Show nested quote + So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move. On April 21 2015 15:20 Damdred wrote: Look at the strange uneveness that wave uses between arts is and Yamato for instance it caught my eye pretty fast. He is perfectly fine with art and gives art a town lean(later on) for the way he voted for him even if it was silly. Really strange reactions and slight jnconsitincies in how he is playing and interacting push him to this level. We can look at the followup to this to see more revelatory info about Damdred (and I thank rsoultin for being in thread to draw this out" Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:24 rsoultin wrote: so you're not satisfied with his explanation at the bottom of the previous page? mind saying why not? Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote: How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:29 rsoultin wrote: On April 21 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote: How can you be satisfied with such a drastic over reaction? Arts is is a great player who sheeped onto what at that point in time a joke vote with a seemingly joke phrase and vote. And wave gives this as a response I don't buy it at all, its over explaining and not really saying anything the overreaction is explained by not understanding the lynch mechanic xP and he wasn't the only one who didn't understand it daaaaamdy as for the artie vs. yama thing...i don't agree with the analysis but i don't think wrong = scum lol >< and can see how he arrived at the conclusion now that he's explained it do you have a specific example(s) of the bh meta you were referring to? Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 15:29 Damdred wrote: Literally it might be one of the worst reasons to town read someone ever. Do scum never do pressure votes or joke votes and then not do much else? So, leaving off the reply about my meta (which is actually interesting), here's the Wave post they were talking about: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the absolute final time. I'm going to spell it out so it's absolutely crystal fucking clear, and if it's still not enough then just go ahead and lynch me for it or some shit because unless it's going somewhere, this is ridiculous already. Yamato gave some reason directly referencing something he said to me outside of the game that i don't remember, probably something he jokingly said to me at some point yesterday or the day before...? I don't consider that a reason because it has zero direct reference to anything that occurs within the confines of this game and is directly related to something yamato and I supposedly talked about. As that is the case, he would do it as either alignment since supposedly he said he would do it and therefore is completely alignment UNindicative. Artanis' reason I have no knowledge of and has no direct reference to me, so I naturally find it a little odder to bring something like that up---it is my opinion that that could draw more attention than something yamato can directly reference to something he and I supposedly did First off, I think we can all agree this is a pretty bullshit explanation. The more likely truth is that Waveofshadow wasn't paying attention or got confused or something, and is now embarassed about it, and invented an explanation. "Oh, Yamato referenced an out of game thing that I have since forgotten about, and that's the reason" is like, actually one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. The thign is, though, if WoS were scum and had the freedom to invent an explanation, he'd probably come up with a good one. the only reason he'd use such a lame explanation is if there's a kernel of truth to it. Maybe he and Yamato are lovers IRL, for example, and it was a whisper passed between them in the bedsheets. Who knows. The point is, the fact that woS is being so strikingly weird about his not-an-affair reason for not scumreading Yams is actually evidence WoS as town. No way scum comes up with something so strange. So, rsoultin rightly notes that the overexplaining is a town thing. Damdred calls it an overreaction and doesn't say why that's actually scummy. What's happening here is that Damdred isn't having a scumread follow a logic. Instead of observation + logic -> scumread, he's doing scumread + observation -> logic. In other words, he's using what happened in thread, plus his PLAN to scumread WoS (who is very bad at defending himself in general) and then CREATING FALSE LOGIC to populate his read. Basically, Damdred isn't finding the truth, he's stating a read in his head then working back from it to find an explanatino. That's why he says stuff like "it's the worst town read" or whatever without explaninig why, because there *is* no "why", not until Damdred creates it. Moving on, Damdred (link) reasonably brings up some of my past games, though in Aperture I don't think I mentioned anything IRL, I mostly just goofed around and rode my claim (and boy did I ride it!) to victory. Cell mafia I am pretty sure I pretended to be moving house. That was fucking awesome. hahaha. Man I'm awesome. In any case, just cause Damdy's right that I'm an amazing scum player doesn't mean that he's town. Scum isn't forbidden from saying true things; it happens. At this point, Damdred comes back after 13 hours, and in the past 13 hours, I have made this post: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 01:43 Blazinghand wrote: Hey guys, yesterday was my last day at my old job and today is my first day at my new one. Can't check tl mafia at ork during my first day on the job, sorry. I haven't read the thread and won't be able to until 00:00 GMT (+00:00)'£. Please extend day by 24 hours and dint lynch me Now let's say you're Damdred as town somehow. You think Blazinghand is pulling the classic "I am blazinghand and I alone out of all TL Mafia players have the manliness to lie about IRL things". You fucking CALL it, youv ote him, then you come back to the thread and he has made one SOLITARY post int he first like 18 hours of the game, and it's LITERALLY AN IRL EXCUSE. What's your response? Do you: A) Call BH scum and quote his single post B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted. C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum. or... D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE well, guess what kids, Damdy went with D. Now look, I'm not saying Damdred has to spend 100% of his time paying attention to me. I get it, he has to pretend to have otehr reads too. But the first 2 hours after damdred comes back to thread post Blazinghand-post, he only makes these two posts: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote: Maybe some of it was rehashed I can't remember honestly ^^. But keep talking about me its good to have a new focal point today Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 05:10 Damdred wrote: I don't like that post especially that town read on wave hrm. The first one concerning people scumreading him for his notably scummy actions. The second one saying he doens't like trfel for the WoS townread. Eventually, he calls me out, 2 hours later-- and this is fine, maybe it took him 2 hours to read the thread somehow, even though he read other things, or no actually that makes no sense. Damdred makes no sense. He forgot he was scumreading me probably then had to make up for it with humor. Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game Don't let the fact that he's humorous distract you from the fact that he's not actually focussed on me. The killer is here though: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: ##unvote ##Vote artanis Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy Ok so let'st ake a look at what Damdred has said about Art so far: he's said ARt is null and he's also said Art was joking. He called out WoS FOR CALLING OUT ART. Then he votes art for being lazy. Which I get. You maybe do that to pressure people for funsies. But tehre's no follow up on me. at this point, we're getting up to 24 hours into the game, and Damdred's posts are no longer caring about the fact that, as far as he claims, BH IS LITERALLY PLAYING BH SCUM META. Remember, Damdred CALLED this. he VOTED me for this. Sow hat's he up to? Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote: That's part of the bad thing about a sorta iml nobody wants to play unless they have to. As such I think arts actions are scummy and we should,make him play Oh, right, Arts isn't playing. What about your main scumread, Damdred? What about the guy who has literally made one post, a post saying he wasn't playing? There's no way Damdred is ACTUALLY having these thoughts. If he was spending his time thinking about people not playing, he'd bring me up again. Maybe nto a lot; buit at least once. And wait, let's look at that vote post again. Let's just TAKE A FUCKIN LOOK: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: Lets do this, if he's Scum we get a great lynch if he's not oh well statistics. But seriously his approach is scummy EMPHASIS MINE. Yes, I emphasised the whole post. READ IT. READ IT. He's obviously distancing himself from the outcome. Look at this! oh, if Art isn't scum, well, STATISTICS. Fuck, when I say statistics (when I RNG, that is), I at least back it up with REAL STATISTICS. Look at this? He doesn't even say Art is scum! He just says the approach is scummy and he's PREPARING for a townflip. Who votes like this? Who THINKS like this? Damdred is fabricating the whole read and it shows. his resposne to pressure is this: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Sure it's a good idea. Would be fun for me not for town Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Though rs reasons are well documented why are you scumming me again trfel trfel unvotes damdred saying he was voting to "make a point" and asks if damdred gets it (note trfel: I'm watching you) and damdred says: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote: Me not playing the game as I should be is meh but I go through spurts where I just shit around, granted I know I do it and it's a conscious decision not,to,change Barbados of my game. However art isn't the same type of creature Again, talking about absence, but no evidence about art's meta (remember how he had that about mine? Why is this case even on art and not me, for whom it's like, actually a case? WTF), just balthering. Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote: Apparently I want to go to Barbados however, that doesn't explain at all why if we lynch it should,be me not sure what's going on here. Wos scumreads Trfel for Trfel's scummy activities, and Damdred says: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: Waves getting town points here for good line of thinking which is again, meaningless. He makes a bunch of strange posts that don't really do anything about me. It's now 24 hours in, and Damdred is making posts like this: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:59 Damdred wrote: Hobestly, I hesitate to say this but the discussion and voting is a bit stagnant because we are trying to artificially lengthen the day and people don't feel compelled to play or goof off. So let's honestly try to lynch someone when me, the guy he meta-readed as scum, literally did the scum meta thing AND tried to lengthen the day. He says "people dont' feel compelled to play", how is he not thinking of me? Where's the read development? Why is he still on Artanis, even though votes don't matter? Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: On April 22 2015 11:07 Breshke wrote: Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen? More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though. He says he wants to Lynch art now, but there's no case, no follow-up. Look, Damdred is in town and makes a bunch of posts right around this time, probably like 10 over the course of 6 hours. That's fine and dandy, I'm not saying he has to be an activity monster or make tons of posts. But like, why isn't he pushing his read. Breshke even senses something is off and asks Damdred if he really actually wants to lynch Art. It's a reasonable question to ask because Damdred isn't acting like someone who actually wants to be responsible for a lynch, or someone with a scumread. Damdred is just putting his vote places. He's making "scumreads" and "townreads" but tehre's no UNDERLYING THOUGHT PROCESS. Look, there's a lot of things scum can fake. Scum and "make reads" and "vote" and whatever. Hell, scum can even be right about things, liek calling out lurkers, or pointing out my meta. That's fine. What scum can't easily fake, though, is a town thought process. Think about what you know about finding scum-- a lot of it has to do with things not lining up, with scum backtracking ideas or not making sense or diverging from how they act as town. They don't think the same things, so they ahve to fake it. Damdred doesn't actually thyink I'm scum or Art is scum. If he REALLY thought tehse things, he'd TALK about it. He wouldn't hang out bickering whether some dude is nulltown or nullscum when he's got a vote out on Art. He'd talk about Art. He wouldn't hang out balthering about people not playing because of time issues, when i'm literally doing that. Damdred, if he were town, would be ALL OVER me. His entire filter would be like that humorous post he made about me saying I need more time. Even if he did switch to Art, he'd actually switch. Heck, maybe he'd still lambast me a bit. And he'd press the art issue. He wouldn't be like, Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote: Ok wave you are up with rs now. Not lynching you When he could have a filter full of Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote: Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game and LEGIT follow-up. He'd HAVE the read, not just SAY the read. Damdred is faking this, 100%. It's all artificial. He's scum. I've proven that. Let's kill him. ##Damdred oh btw I'm back BH this game: And if he ever flips town we lynch HF for TMI anyway | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote: Vivax.Are you 100% certain I'm scum No but if you are town you should be 100% certain that HF is scum. Cause he can't possibly believe be 100% certain that you are town. But he thinks I'm mafia for not thinking it. | ||
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