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On May 03 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shit i almost wanna play with fuba. Koshi will you play? you also want to play with me tbh. | ||
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On May 07 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: You shouldn't, me Palmar and Holyflare will fuck up and kill each other and you'll just cruise to victory.  This is my gameplan | ||
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On May 10 2017 08:11 Holyflare wrote: No need for carrying me anymore I'll do it all Great, I'll just enjoy the ride then. | ||
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GG mafia | ||
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On May 10 2017 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar plz for once lets work together and murder some mafia, shall we? Besides LS and you i kinda think Damdred and fuba can be town too so far. I don't work with scum | ||
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On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote: My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel. If you think he is town why are you pestering him? | ||
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On May 10 2017 17:40 Grackaroni wrote: How did I pester him!? I was a perfect gentleman. You're still at it, you literally just said something is fishy about some of his posts. This could be just a poor choice of words by you, but if you believe that "Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel", rayn is 100% town to you 100% of the time. Mafia does not go into rage induced tunnels. They might fake it, and there is usually evidence they are faking it. It's especially unlikely someone whose play is as refined as rayn's (well, as refined as a bludgeon can be) would go on a tilt as scum. So either you must say that he's indeed NOT on a rage induced tunnel, but rather attempting to play one, or that he's town. There is no world where rayn is scum in a rage induced tunnel. Also I don't like this pseudo-alliance-making. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:11 Grackaroni wrote: The order of the posts is important there. Obviously my reads aren't set in stone. If I notice something that doesn't seem to add up I'm going to question it. Yes, but you've kept sort of poking him, which is bound to do nothing productive if you think he's town. Are you claiming that when you wrote "he's in a rage induced tunnel" you thought he was town, and then when you "something is fishy" you were back on leaning scum? I'll go back and read the timeline later but using a timeline defense doesn't sounds like it adds up. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:23 Grackaroni wrote: Lol ask Vivax about the Ika burden of proof. This has been one of my most tame shit fights. nice. meta and appeal to other players defense. noted. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:47 Grackaroni wrote: Well you can do whatever the fuck you want. I've put enough time defending myself today. Is your Rayn read real or fake? I don't answer scum questions. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious. annoyed about non-related things, general bad mood when under pressure. noted. | ||
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 You've really got your knickers in a twist haven't you? All because poor old Palmar felt like asking some questions. If you can't deal with an old hermit yelling at you how will you survive when people who aren't trolls start pushing you. You've set out on a path that leads to the gallows. I suggest you rethink your life before it's too late. | ||
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To answer your earlier question, I started the "noted" thing afaik. So, feel free to pay your royalties any time now. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:59 Grackaroni wrote: I don't mind people asking me questions. You're being rude and you know it. Am I? Are you sure I'm not just riling you up because I am evil mafia with a masterplan? | ||
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On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote: lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum He didn't sound like he was having fun when he was talking to me. He was annoyed and called me rude, and I am never rude. Always polite. | ||
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On May 10 2017 23:05 Tumblewood wrote: I don't remember when he was talking to you but when he wasn't he was having fun well go read him talking to me. Because him talking to me is the most important part of his presence in the thread, by extension of me being the most important person in the game. Thus you should probably pay attention to that. I might lynch TW for thinking grack is having fun. | ||
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On May 11 2017 00:03 LightningStrike wrote: That throwing darts randomly hoping to hit a target. I rather lynch scum so I will to figure it out. will you let me know when you do? | ||
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TW is still very unimpressive, and my vote still feels pretty good on Grack. Nothing Grack's done makes me want to really move away from him. Hf's explanation of what I said is correct. Kinda weird that he said that he doesn't agree with it. I suppose he means he doesn't agree with the conclusion, rather than agreeing with the point, because the point is pretty much a fact. | ||
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Until then, I don't really care, and I have not seen much that suggests he's mafia. But he's super good and his posts are very always very boring which is a deadly concoction meaning that it's unlikely I read his stuff thoroughly enough to figure out him being mafia. | ||
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I am going to write a slightly more detailed post later today describing what I feel. I don't really think rayn is mafia, but I'm gonna hedge that bet a bit by saying that I'm mostly giving him a pass for the day. I just don't want to lynch rayn. | ||
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On May 11 2017 18:40 sicklucker wrote: ya I would very much like yo lynch lightning strike actually. whos with me soldiers Kill grack with me, you didn't seem all that bothered to kill him earlier. | ||
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On May 11 2017 19:46 LightningStrike wrote: Never played with Skynx before and hardly payed attention to recent games except for my QT game where you rolled scum. I said I wanted more Skynx, he's been underwhelming. | ||
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On May 11 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote: I mean the posts he quoted are me responding to rayn's query for me to elaborate, a call out for him rightly doing nothing, as you yourself have done, and me defending myself which I do in just about 100% of every game where someone calls me mafia. Soooooooooo. Just convince LS you're town and you'll be fine. | ||
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I cba reading your filter and I wanna know where your head is at. | ||
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On May 11 2017 20:32 LightningStrike wrote: How does he normally play? Like I said I never played with him and he a newer player and took some time off except for the Speed Dating mafia game. I ahve no idea and I don't think meta is very relevant with the long times between TL games atm. | ||
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On May 10 2017 09:26 Grackaroni wrote: Nice try Palmar. I'm not going to forfeit that easily... Weird joke. But possibly nothing. I have no idea. On May 10 2017 15:19 Grackaroni wrote: lol this is what happens when you leave out just me/HF/TW from your town list. We made some quality posts and you hurt our feelings Rayn... This post felt a little bit weird. I understand he's just talking about "of the people that have posted" but still... Like my gut tells me is that a townie wouldn't have bothered finding the OTHER people who had posted but rayn didn't like, just sort of gone off on his own. This is what I meant by weird alliance making. He's sort of justifying his position by relying on others taking the same one. Thirdly I felt the rayn interaction was pointless, given Grack's feelings on the matter. I still don't understand what he hoped to accomplish if he had a townread on rayn. Incidentally, that townread flipped into a scumread at some point. On May 10 2017 17:53 Grackaroni wrote: We seem to be right on track here atm. I think we should all just chill out a little bit. This is the other part that prompted me to call him out for weird alliance-making. It's not like it was a particularly heated debate. On May 10 2017 18:47 Grackaroni wrote: Well you can do whatever the fuck you want. I've put enough time defending myself today. Is your Rayn read real or fake? This here is also a semi-unexpected moody answer. I'm not poking particularly hard at him and he goes straight to "i've put enuogh time defending myself today". Even using rather harsh language. It could be I'm wrong and he's just a moody townie, but it smells of an overreaction. In general the main reason I'm voting him is his angry response to my slight prodding about how I felt his treatment of rayn was inconsistent. I am absolutely not sure of this vote, but I feel it's the best one I got at the moment. Others I'd consider voting for at present are skynx and TW, mostly for being underwhelming. Then there's the "I'll sheep the best case in the thread" mantra, which I might absolutely do here. | ||
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I'm not overly impressed but alas. I specifically worry about the wording for your caption header "step your shit up". But meh, I'm going back to ignoring for now. If you genuinely want us to lynch TW you should probably write a single-post case on him. | ||
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he went from quoting himself in a post along with people who voted for rayn (implies grack believes rayn = scum) to calling rayn's posts rage induced tunnel (implies grack believes rayn = town) to making a "this is fishy" post against rayn (implies grack believes rayn = scum) to whatever his position is right now (is he voting rayn? has he ever voted rayn?) | ||
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On May 11 2017 21:06 Holyflare wrote: I don't think those people have done anything thrilling and/or they've called me mafia which is wrong and they need to get better at the game. yeah but that's the entire problem. I understand what you meant, I just don't like that you meant that. I guess the best way to explain it is that you don't call any of them outright leaning scum or lynch possibilities, you make this "positive" request of them instead. It implies that they haven't done anything wrong, which in turn means that you might possibly believe that only 1 player in the game has actually done anything wrong, which is not enough. But it's super minor, like I said, don't worry too much. Essentially I think you're in the "I'll probably not lynch you, but I wouldn't cry if someone checked you" category. | ||
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On May 11 2017 21:41 Grackaroni wrote: Palmar you don't understand the Rayn argument. But w/e, I think your read is probably not faked. explain then | ||
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I give this a 5% chance of succeeding. | ||
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I mean if we're just going for theatrics we lynch HF | ||
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I'm shocked I say, shocked. | ||
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If you're mafia that's really top level play. | ||
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On May 12 2017 19:39 Vivax wrote: From my current point of view this post is awful cause SL is my only top town read atm Even if you are right this particular post is not scummy at all because townies are wrong all the time and you know this vivax. | ||
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is rayn now confirmed town? | ||
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Nono It's much easier for you to just tell me. Do you think rayn is supertown? or do you think he's mafia? All I'm asking for is a single piece of information you can readily provide, and you probably should provide. | ||
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Also while I read, can someone give me info on how many mafia were on the Damdred wagon? | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: ##unvote ##Vote DF | ||
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On May 12 2017 19:59 Holyflare wrote: You thought people were going to swap 4 votes onto vivax in 30 seconds over getting 1 vote on your main scum wagon that you were yelling about all day? And this... tbh | ||
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On May 12 2017 23:53 Vivax wrote: DF, skynx, LS kinda pushed him, then drunk HF showed up and said yolo HF faking drunk noted. | ||
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???? Just so one thing is clear. There is no world in which we lynch df before we lynch rayn. Like it's difficult to believe rayn is so out of touch with the game that he actually fucked up his highly preferred lynch. But it is rayn, not df, that controls that lynch. Like if rayn did this as town he just put us in an absolutely terrible situation. He goes from telling the guy to shut his scummy mouth to literally saving his life in a 10 minute window. No matter rayn's alignment this is one of the worst and most inconsistent plays I've ever seen. I'm just... baffled. It makes no sense unless rayn is mafia, but even if he is the play makes very little sense unless df is a buddy of his, in which case it's like the most obvious fail-bus in history. The naive explanation is that rayn is scum and wanted to create drama with a scumbuddy without killing him. But the chances of such an astronomical failure on part of the mafia team has to be fairly low. But because rayn saved df's live, it is rayn that we'd always have to lynch first. I honestly don't know what to think, none of this makes any sense. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:10 Vivax wrote: No it's not super stuff it just looks like it is but then it's just random BS that catches everyone's attention. Robik did the same in imperial and then he flipped cop. Can't forget it cause I went completely ham over it. I'm more of a fan of the bigger picture. And tbh I have a hard time picturing you seeing this as particularly relevant and that only after being reminded of it by HF. You are a hound for this type of thing but you just keep looking like you don't give a fudge. I'm only reading the end of the day first now. I for example was completely unaware of how hard and aggressively rayn was pushing to kill df. | ||
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Think of it like this. If I yell and scream to lynch someone for an entire day, then I use my Pardoner role to save him and get the 2nd guy lynched instead, what would you think of me? That is essentially what rayn did. It is objectively the only correct play to lynch rayn. Which actually goes against what I thought about him after reading his diatribe about me and you being mafia. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote: It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason. Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip. Then he returns and says he thought df was town. So we're dumb for not following him onto town df. Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted. Aka mafia. Aka lynch all rayns Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote. Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch. so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:15 Holyflare wrote: Vivax is hardcore downplaying it and it's really fucking bugging me. There is very little Vivax mafia motivation for downplaying it. If you and I are both hammering a case against his scumbuddy, his best bet is to just go with it and try to come out ahead in the end. He's not dumb, he knows he's not gonna defend rayn if you and I are both gunning for him. Additionally, he could be TMI-ing, but again, to what end? The tiny credit he'd get for calming the situation compared to the benefit of allowing townrayn to argue with townrayn and townhf all tomorrow is simply a bad deal. Like the takeaway you should be getting from this is that Vivax probably genuinely thinks we're making a big deal out of nothing. Which I'm slightly more open to now that I realize exactly how things went down. | ||
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Hf is actually a pretty good candidate for mafia. | ||
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On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that. | ||
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On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote: You might be scum. I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people. ??? This post is saying literally nothing. | ||
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On May 12 2017 15:31 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think I've been that bad of a troll this game tbh. I was kind of clueless at the end of the day but most of us acted like chickens with our heads cut off. again appealing to a group. This guy is definitely mafia. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote: The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1? Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540 But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:46 Holyflare wrote: This doesn't matter at all because now you're saying that rayn thought he could lynch 0 vote vivax over his scum read df. Vivax, who had not been talked about at all. What does he berate people for after the lynch? Not lynching df (who he now says was a town read!!). What else does he berate us for? Lynching damdred after not talking about it! Who did he want to lynch after? Vivax after not talking about it! Ok Note that I'm not 100% convinced and if he keeps trying to lynch me I might just spite lynch him, but that's not the point. It is reasonable to believe he had no faith in the Damdred lynch. It is reasonable to believe he did not think he could get the votes for the DF lynch (with only 2 people supporting him) It is unreasonable of him to think he could get Vivax lynched, but it's technically possible he thought he could get a switch on Vivax And all the rest can be explained by rayn being an asshole. My point here is that I've gone from "rayn must be lynched" to "there exists a scenario where he's town, however unlikely". And you should acknowledge the chance is there too. | ||
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On May 13 2017 00:55 LightningStrike wrote: I forgot about you sheeping Damdred that game Day 1 probably because that game was years ago. God bless Damdred's case on Eden. Okay point nullified probably likely town for that effort. I've done it often. I sheep good cases when I see them. Plenty of times I've just sheeped a marv case or something. | ||
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This all ignores wildcards like Prison Break and fuba that I just haven't paid much attention to. rayn makes everything harder. I _think_ he sounds like a townie, but his play at the end of the day followed by the ridiculously out of touch berating of town after the flip is sooo bad. Like what he did last night is high on there on the scale of worst plays I've seen, ever. | ||
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maybe skynx should be in that group too, of people I just haven't spent any time on. | ||
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On May 13 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote: If anything i do like palmar for being so reasonable I too like palmar | ||
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I went and looked for this post: On May 10 2017 22:20 darthfoley wrote: Makes me more suspicious of you. Feel like town!Grack goes hamboni jabroni on Rayn for this shit fight. I've seen you in other games get into shit fights so deep D1 that you get mislynched as doc, but you're always spicy and have a "fuck you" attitude about the fight. You don't feel as "fuck you" here. Seems like you're setting yourself up to have wiggle room with Rayn later or something. I like Palmar's posts about you. I think Palmar is real town. Also hi But just slightly below that I found this post: On May 10 2017 22:48 darthfoley wrote: I don't like any time someone town reads someone and qualifies it with "it doesn't make sense and it's bad." Especially when that person appears to be scummy ATM Which is both a good post from df (but not very alignment indicative, I concede). So I checked what read df had given on damdred: Which means HF thought damdred was town, so I decided to check what was the basis of HF's townread on Damdred because I know HF kinda led the charge on the lynch. I found this: On May 11 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote: That's the gem post I like. More than 50% of the thread has said anyway. In it, HF quotes Damdred calling df's post that I liked really good, we've come full circle. Damdred, the lost hero, agreed with me on that df post. Man I wish he was still here.... This is a rather non-sensical rant, it was just pretty cool how it all came around. | ||
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On May 13 2017 01:20 Holyflare wrote: Why and when did I think damdred was town? I told damdred to find that post because I said I liked it and he did. But then he voted df later so I lynched him. I am wrong, I didn't proofread that big post because it doesn't have much to do with the game, just an interesting circle in filter diving. You didn't say damdred was town, you simply said he did these "bad reasons" reads all the time, which is correct. | ||
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I am not gonna make many concrete decisions today. never lynch df before rayn and grack. rayn should technically be lynched for terrible play but I'm unsure grack is scum hf has done some alarming things, but I'm still torn there's plenty of low effort people LS and Vivax, kinda feel like they're good, but it's not super strong df should not be lynched. | ||
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On May 13 2017 19:51 Holyflare wrote: Hahahahaha what a shit nk Whyd you do it then?? | ||
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On May 13 2017 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: "i was right and everyone else was posting after deadline" Boobbbbbooooohoooooooo Kill this fucking retard plz. First of all, this guy should be modkilled. Second of all, he should probably never be lynched because I don't think even rayn is asshole enough to flip out like this as mafia, basically skirting modkill territory (which I think this is solidly in) to berate someone like that. On May 13 2017 17:31 sicklucker wrote: Also im the doctor and mafia medic dodged obv This is stupid, but we treat it as townconfirm. If you have a role that doesn't match this setup (aka you're anything other than cop), you claim now for free mafia. The cop should have a check today, and another one coming in tomorrow. Mafia must shoot sicklucker so we know we're basically getting 2 checks from the cop. With that being said I think we just continue off from where we were yesterday. I have not seen Grack attempt to actually push the game forward so that's where my vote is going, at least for now. I am like 90% sure the guy is mafia. I will look into other people today as much as I can, but it's a weekend so.... who knows. | ||
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it'd be super useful if both the cop and the cop check was outside this group. Kinda leaves me: TW, HF, Skynx, grack and fuba. Of those I think Grack is clearly the best lynch today. | ||
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But I'm holding those doubts for much later. i'm gonna work on gut reads/low level reads for now. | ||
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On May 14 2017 03:16 Holyflare wrote: Fuba is the lynch No Grack HF We followed your terrible lead yesterday, let's try something else today. | ||
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Point is, you were terribly wrong on a towny looking person yesterday, so unless you can come up with a solid reason for why Grack is town, we're gonna do it my way today. Additionally, I'm actually fairly certain you're just mafia, and I have many very good reasons to think so. | ||
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On May 12 2017 16:11 Holyflare wrote: I also retract everything I've ever thought about fuba. His filter is really bad and he didn't want to lynch df and he knew sl wasn't getting traction and he did nothing. His filter is void of real reads and the last page and a half is plodding along doing nothing. Maybe I'm out of context but what has that got to do with anything? On May 14 2017 02:08 fuba wrote: At work, but the timeline definitely matches up. It was grak and df in my mind when I posted that, and I didn't feel comfortable voting them. And I never completely stopped being suspicious of sl. It was more that sl was apparently not happening, so I was gonna look elsewhere. But I didn't find anyone better. Hence the question asking if sl could be on the table. Townreads will come over lunch. I think this is a fine post. I guess I'll read the fuba case but I'm going in skeptical | ||
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On May 14 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote: That's very cool of you because from your last post I can see you're just absolutely full of shit about reading this game. Asking people to claim roles when it's already been discussed as a joke and brought up again and refuted as a joke AGAIN displays that you're not paying attention. Your shitty agenda ends here I'm afraid. We're killing fuba. If you think you can convince people to vote grack, or even myself since you keep referring to me as mafia but letting me do whatever i want, then be my guest. You'll be next. oh please unclench your buttocks princess. | ||
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On May 14 2017 03:34 Tumblewood wrote: you want me to make a town case? because if I do you are not giving me shit for it like when I towncased calix in haunted mansion I want you to make a towncase | ||
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On May 14 2017 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Palmar Holyflare was a medic dodge or he is mafia. If there is no medic always lynch Holyflare. Palmar and Vivax are always mafia. You are so bad at this game. First of all, you should be modkilled. If you're mafia this game is invalid. Second, you made the worst townplay in the history of TL mafia yesterday. Go away. | ||
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On May 14 2017 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you know when you dont even read the thread? I never, ever read threads when I play mafia. Additionally, find 1 single instance of me acting like mafia this game. You asked me to play like a normal human being this game and I'm doing it. But turns out, you're still obnoxious and have no regard for the integrity of the game. Additionally you seem to have lost what little flair of ability you had, because everything you've said and done this game has been completely wrong and bad. Aka, i'm going to treat you as a tree stub for the rest of the game, because the value of your posts is literally zero, and I've already decided that if we allow emotion bombs like the one you performed artfully yesterday then I don't even wanna bother playing the game. You must be town because of you're mafia the game is completely invalid, because it sets the expectation that every mafia on TL must fake an emotional outburst calling people names and being an asshole in general to set themselves up for a townread, and that is a game I don't want to play. So kindly, piss off. | ||
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On May 14 2017 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: + i voted for mafia. Ask sicklucker. He knows. :D you yelled and screamed to lynch the most obvious townie in the game until 5 mins before the lynch then tried the worst voteswitch in history even if Vivax turns out to be scum, you're still worse than a nothing. Like it'd literally be better to have just one less player in town than to have you on the team. I'm out before I become really mean. | ||
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On May 14 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote: I really think we should lynch rayn, he has crossed the threshold of angry posts to a point where they look like they're just made on purpose. That's his mafia game fyi. If that's not enough for you, you are never going to lynch him cause all he's going to do is push nonsense and call people names. He had a bit of room to do a turnaround and start posting constructively again, but with another posting streak like that after he said he was going to work and drink, I believe he has shown his true colors. And this isn't a punishment lynch to say that I want to lynch people who are being dicks. I want to lynch people who are dicks to a point where it's a scum tell for them, which applies to rayn. That's irrelevant, we don't lynch him because he's cheating if he's mafia. | ||
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On May 14 2017 19:39 Grackaroni wrote: I tried to find something insightful but I failed pretty badly. My gut read is that Skynx is mafia. I tried looking over his play in haunted mansion but the only thing that stuck out to me was that his first post in this game had a lot more added flair than his posts in that game. I've liked a lot of Vivax's posts and I think he is pretty likely town. The fact that he is even posting when a lot of us are being lazy is a pretty good indication that he is town. Palmar gives me a few townie vibes as well. I don't think Rayn has been giving very well fleshed out reads, and it's feeling pretty tempting to just start knocking off people from DF's scum list. kill hf | ||
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On May 14 2017 18:48 Vivax wrote: Reading through fuba's filter I still have zero ideas who he's scumreading, all I see that points at scumhunting is asking if LS always asks suggestive questions, so I have zero qualms lynching either him or rayn. I will switch my vote at my leisure between them. Certainly never to HF today. If fuba is town this game he failed us miserably. Same for rayn. And I'm gonna call it that HF is town and I don't know what Palmar is doing. There's rayn and fuba who have have a huge lynch me sign and he's going for 1) A guy who can be a good town leader 2) Someone who is only going to get caught by the paranoia of others if he's mafia. Meanwhile being upset about rayn's behaviour yet not drawing any conclusions about it, instead voting HF. The posts there lack assertivity but I don't think he's necessarily mafia, I would like him not to try to push for HF today tho. fuba sounds town. | ||
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rayn is 100% town, but if the hosts are not gonna modkill people for flipping their shit I guess we do it for them. i'm voting rayn. I don't care. | ||
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On May 14 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote: And Palmar you will really have to explain to me why you want to kill HF when D1 literally you said "if he's alive by D3, don't talk and lynch him". What would ever cause you to throw that overboard to go for the big score instead. It must be a really strong argument I'm not seeing atm. He sounds like mafia. | ||
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On May 15 2017 01:11 Holyflare wrote: hf: facts, facts, facts, question, facts rest of game: hf in mah scum teaaaammmmm! hf: why? rest of game: just cz lul, lynch him! this "rest of the game" guy sounds smart | ||
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On May 15 2017 02:06 Holyflare wrote: and also that palmar is a pussy mafia who won't vote me off because he'll 100% be lynched bitch please, I voted for you until I realized I'm hosting, not playing, the game. | ||
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completely irrelevant. He is 100% town, everyone knows he's town unless they've got their head far up their asses. I am still voting for him, to modkill him for this: On May 12 2017 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you. you literally came here 10mins before the deadline and voted for some random fucking guy with zero reasoning and then you blame me you idiot. really, fuck fucking you. On May 13 2017 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: "i was right and everyone else was posting after deadline" Boobbbbbooooohoooooooo Kill this fucking retard plz. On May 13 2017 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: nice thing is i can what the fuck i want and be a dick and who cares. :p Enjoy free win mafia. | ||
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On May 15 2017 02:40 Holyflare wrote: nvm the game wasn't the same i just remembered it differently palmar still mafia  Top scumhunting | ||
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On May 15 2017 04:55 Grackaroni wrote: Or I guess it's also possible that Palmar is legitimately mad as mafia that Rayn mod confirmed himself and wasn't modkilled. I get mad at people who exploit games irrelevant of my alignment | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:26 LightningStrike wrote: now that I think about it if rayn flips town Palmar could be scum. He's gonna flip town. | ||
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I came into the thread yesterday, talking about various things, and I felt like the only thing HF wanted to say was "Fuba is the lynch". He seems overly focused on just one thing at a time ignoring sort of the larger gamestate. I'm not even sure it makes him mafia, and this is very much just a gut tonal read. I am much more convinced Grack is mafia. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:33 Holyflare wrote: that's because people will see the light and vote you See this is the problem I have this game with you. You're essentially acting like you're 100% certain I must be mafia based on basically nothing. It's this sort of militant aggressive approach that just doesn't jive. I feel like if you were town you'd be far more laid back and willing to let people sort of chase their own things while just making the case by yourself. So the justification I can come up with is "well if he's mafia, it's much better to just stick to your guns and be uncompromising". It's harder for me to figure out why you'd act like this as town. Idk, you tonally feel like hitler, and he was a pretty bad dude. | ||
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Just to talk a little bit more about my actual favored lynch, Grack. This post serves no purpose at all. he's arguing that rayn might flip scum, to a person already voting for rayn. This post is just here so Grack can throw around some shitty meta that I don't even think is true, but I guess that's an opinion. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:41 Vivax wrote: I would like to do a test can anyone who is present move from their vote to skynx? Then we pick one of those who don't at random and win gaem I will vote Grack, HF, and possibly rayn. I don't think I'll vote skynx. I actually think he's town now. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:42 fuba wrote: I feel like I can attest to the fact that HF is not entirely uncompromising. I did not mean to say he does not change views, just that while in a particular tunnel (rayn, you, me etc) he's pretty focused on that one. But maybe. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:43 Vivax wrote: Would you sign an agreement where we lynch you if Grack flips town? Odd question | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote: It sets off my alarms quite a bit that Palmar went from complete non-caring mode into overdrive right now. I came home and it's lynch time. | ||
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eh... 70-80? There is a tiny chance he just doesn't give a shit about trying to win and is actually straight up trolling. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:46 Skynx wrote: Shennanying is not the right play here imo. fuba has to go. This is a bad lynch Skynx, find another one. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:49 Skynx wrote: I'm trying but imagine a case where I get 2 more votes on Vivax, mafia will just consolidate on fuba and get credit. Mafia can't lynch fuba at current. As much as me and HF dislike each other we're both protesting a fuba lynch and I think that pull is too much. | ||
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It's a gut read, a tone read. I may be wrong. It's a much better lynch than fuba. I'm super torn on if I should just follow through with rayn. It's kinda shitty of him to not be here much today. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:53 Skynx wrote: HF is a pretender. Town is in absolute chaos right now, if we get a shennanie we get nothing out of it. We lynch fuba, we can just by reason do a proper VCA tomorrow. Dude this is not how mafia works. We try to lynch mafia. Fuba is very unlikely to flip one | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:54 Holyflare wrote: we don't lynch fuba, we lynch not fuba which is palmar who has quite literally NOT GIVEN A SHIT THE ENTIRE CYCLE until deadline where he wants to cause as much chaos as humanly possible ~~~~ lol bro, did you forget unclenching? | ||
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On May 14 2017 20:12 Palmar wrote: Town rayn prison break maybe town tumblewood fuba lightningstrike sicklucker who knows Vivax skynx scum holyflare grackaroni On May 14 2017 03:23 Palmar wrote: Damdred was not in the lead when you switched to him I think, but I'm not even gonna bother checking because it's a pedantic and stupid argument about semantics that I'm not gonna get into. Point is, you were terribly wrong on a towny looking person yesterday, so unless you can come up with a solid reason for why Grack is town, we're gonna do it my way today. Additionally, I'm actually fairly certain you're just mafia, and I have many very good reasons to think so. On May 14 2017 03:16 Palmar wrote: I'm paranoid about Vivax because I know he's good at being scum in a shit town. Essentially when discussion and activity level is low and bad, he is really good at being just better than the rest and skirting by like that. This game isn't very high quality although it's not completely awful, it might be good territory for him. But I'm holding those doubts for much later. i'm gonna work on gut reads/low level reads for now. On May 13 2017 01:26 Palmar wrote: meh I am not gonna make many concrete decisions today. never lynch df before rayn and grack. rayn should technically be lynched for terrible play but I'm unsure grack is scum hf has done some alarming things, but I'm still torn there's plenty of low effort people LS and Vivax, kinda feel like they're good, but it's not super strong df should not be lynched. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:57 Skynx wrote: I thought you said we're not lynching mafia today?? On a serious note, I think there is no way we're hitting on mafia with a shennanie here, I'm completely lost at this point and just trusting my gut. could you trust mine for this one? We all know I'm dead as fuck if I mess up anyway, and probably without it. Kill HF | ||
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tomorrow will be mostly doing detective work. There exists a chance I'm just wrong on HF and grack and the scumteam is made up of some lower impact people like sicklucker, lightningstrike etc. this was a bad lynch and everyone on it told you so. Grackaroni "I'm going to stay with this lynch" is basically just trolling mafia at this point in my opinion. On May 15 2017 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sticking with my vote this time. I don't even know guys. He was here, he was being told by everyone it's a terrible idea. We had fuba in the thread lookign super town. Just nothing. | ||
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On May 15 2017 06:10 Vivax wrote: Tbh this rayn-Palmar-HF threesome of them constantly pushing each other without actually achieving anything is a killer. Old impotent men | ||
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On May 15 2017 06:13 Grackaroni wrote: If you/Palmar both don't want fuba it sounds like pretty good motivation to kill fuba. Actually it doesn't. HF and I agree on nothing this game, but this one thing we did agree on. So bad. | ||
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On May 15 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote: grack asks why not to kill fuba and 2 ppl lay out reasons, even palmar says not to lynch grack wants skynx kill grack hammers fuba??? Maybe you should have hammered grack ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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On May 15 2017 10:50 Prison Break wrote: nvm I kind of like this guy's reads got Palmar lean town still disagree with policy lyches ever, can't stand them and won't encourage them ever either policy lynches are one of the best things in mafia. But that wasn't a policy lynch, that was spite lynch. | ||
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On May 15 2017 12:53 sicklucker wrote: he says this as hf changes his mind on fuba..? focus on reading comprehension. | ||
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On May 15 2017 15:44 Holyflare wrote: You want to lynch skynx over grack? Over palmar who berates people for wasting votes and has let his town reads die 2 cycles in a row while he continues to not read the game and basically be a non entity while saying he's being good? fyi: I will NEVER read any game of mafia I play. I have never done so and I never will. | ||
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On May 15 2017 16:09 Holyflare wrote: Holyflare (2) - Prison Break, Palmar Beyond a joke How does it feel to be wrong so much? | ||
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If we're going to have any shot at winning this we need to start making grand alliances. People need to start creating blocks of voting with people who trust each other. There's _nothing_ wrong with mistakenly trusting mafia for the sake of building an efficient block. Like I would be super happy to have a block of people I kinda trust voting and working together. Hell, if you must you should create a voting block around HF. He's mafia and we'll lose, but at least we get something done. It frustrates me so much that people sit on obviously bad lynches for basically no good reason: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Grackaroni darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx There's no person on both town wagons so meh. | ||
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On May 15 2017 19:31 Holyflare wrote: I want to lynch people that voted fuba after saying absolutely nothing relevant about it or talking with me about it all day. Grack, Tumblewood. I will even put my palmar qualms behind me to lynch grack because grack spent the day asking me if I'd read his rayn vs grack fight instead of talking about fuba with me and then proceeded to ignore it till deadline. [b]https://i.giphy.com/26gR2f01UTynjCPNS.gif[/img] | ||
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On May 15 2017 19:45 Vivax wrote: 11 minutes for a yes/no question that's verified by a glance at one votecount? he maf, but he's gonna lynch other maf with us so shssshhh | ||
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I was hoping to come away with an easy townlean, but meh. The problem is that he has just done so very, very little this game. Even at 6 pages of filter it feels very filled with just questions and small talk. However he did take some rather bold stances in the early game and he has been continually updating people on his gamestate, so maybe he is town. If anything I would say leave it be for now. | ||
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On May 15 2017 20:13 Vivax wrote: The early game is what looked awful already during D1. I guess you are mafia See I disagree, but I may be biased because he is talking about me. This: On May 11 2017 04:46 Skynx wrote: Facts: Palmar is town but Palmar vote on Grack is bad cuz Grack is town, his vote on Palmar is also bad. I like this initially, it was exactly what i was feeling going through the thread: So at this point Grack looks bad, but at some point they just become angry at eachother and decide that the other is mafia. They are obviously both town. Is what I'm referencing. It feels unlikely that Skynx would put himself in the middle of this as mafia, and that his stance would be so strong. Like he seems absolutely goddamn certain that he is right and we are wrong. It feels like that if he is mafia and this is true he would not come out so strong because he'd be worried about being accused of TMI, and if he is mafia and Grack is mafia, it seems unlikely that he'd come out so strong defending his scumbuddy. The other part (and it includes some of the strong stances part), is that he has gone out of his way to make sure everyone knows what he is thinking this game: On May 11 2017 05:16 Skynx wrote: Palmar PB Grack HF rayn these are in order btw On May 12 2017 05:08 Skynx wrote: Just to give it out there Palmar PB SL HF rayn Grack TW DF Damdred Vivax lynch fuba or sl if nothing better is availabe etc. I know list posts are super easy to make, but I just don't get the feeling he's making them just to post, but rather he actually cares that we know what he's thinking. However, I'm not ready to commit to a townread based on what I said about him really not doing all that much. | ||
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On May 15 2017 20:15 Skynx wrote: Lets say im scum, how does that make sense for me to not vote fuba? I mean i was almost getting lynched. this is a terrible defense... | ||
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I need you to pretend, for this exercise, that you have a green check on me. Aka, I'm confirmed town. I want to know how you think when you're in my world because you can't double check my conclusions while thinking I may be mafia. Now, with the "knowledge" that I am 100% town, can you give me your read and feelings about Holyflare. Is it possible that I am wrong on him being mafia if I know he's basically only tried to kill townies in my world. rayn: probably town damdred: town fuba: town me: town I think this mostly covers what hf has tried to accomplish this game. Is there a chance he's just wrong (in the palmar = town world). Because if you can convince me he's not mafia, the game becomes exponentially easier. | ||
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If HF is town, i'm gonna fuck this game up. I need to be absolutely certain he's mafia. Please explain to me how he could be town if we treat me as confirmed town. | ||
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On May 15 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote: All I can say is palmar won't be a problem after tonight If I am the only one to die tonight: On May 11 2017 09:18 Palmar wrote: I am mostly just ignoring HF at the moment. If he's town we probably work best by not stepping on each other too much, and if he's mafia there's plenty of time to figure him out. He's literally someone you should ALWAYS KILL if he's alive by day 3. Like if day 3 comes around and HF is still alive, just don't talk, lynch hf. Until then, I don't really care, and I have not seen much that suggests he's mafia. But he's super good and his posts are very always very boring which is a deadly concoction meaning that it's unlikely I read his stuff thoroughly enough to figure out him being mafia. If two people die he's just bad vig. But if I am the only one to die, follow the above. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:16 Vivax wrote: Otherwise I like that he TR Damdred and foley when barely anyone else was. Don't like so much that he ended up voting Damdred but the alternative was DF so can't really blame him for that vote as it was a pick your poison situation. I blame everyone who was on either of those two wagons with Grack right there... But alas | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present. Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you. Your point regarding Grack is well received. Additionally just notice the rambling sentences and the uncompromising tone. "massive boring snoozefest bla blah" "had no bite back" "argument for the sake of having an argument" This post is full of absolutely nothing and yet it "sounds" like HF is taking some grand stance. Even in the context of the discussion grack and hf were having at the time it's terrible. There's no conclusion from it, there's no desire or willingness to lynch grack, there's only some vague calling him out that eventually lead to nothing. It's one of the most forceful nothingburgers I've ever seen. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:39 Holyflare wrote: There's also no conclusions to be made in that specific post because i do make a conclusion and that post is a direct response to someone's question What was the question? Did I miss it? (Like I might totally have fucked up reading your convo, but I couldn't really pinpoint what question you were answering). | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:41 Vivax wrote: I'm reading HF meta right now and I'm tempted to just put a post out there wanting you to tell me if you think he's town or mafia. let's go for it, but context is important. Like there is an inherent bias that not only is HF rather militant and aggressive, he's also aggressively completely wrong on everything. I don't mind him being firm, but he's writing checks he cant cash and it's painfully obvious. I can be super firm and uncompromising at times, but it's usually when I _know_ I am right. Given how wrong HF has been this game it seems more likely that he should have been rather unsure. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:43 Holyflare wrote: Like your argument is that i literally say grack is doing a scummy thing and then forget that read 3 posts later and not want to lynch him Which is overwhelmingly my town meta of seeing something more egregious and voting the fuck out of it Unless your argument is that I'm shit at mafia I don't know about Vivax, but my point is that I have a problem with your tone and conclusion. Why do you want to lynch Grack now? | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is good you told all this to us an D1 when you know this happened and not in LYLO. I've had reservations about HF for a long time: On May 11 2017 21:09 Palmar wrote: yeah but that's the entire problem. I understand what you meant, I just don't like that you meant that. I guess the best way to explain it is that you don't call any of them outright leaning scum or lynch possibilities, you make this "positive" request of them instead. It implies that they haven't done anything wrong, which in turn means that you might possibly believe that only 1 player in the game has actually done anything wrong, which is not enough. But it's super minor, like I said, don't worry too much. Essentially I think you're in the "I'll probably not lynch you, but I wouldn't cry if someone checked you" category. On May 13 2017 00:25 Palmar wrote: annoys me a tiny little bit how militant hf is about this when the truth turns out to be a lot more nuanced than the picture he's trying to paint. Hf is actually a pretty good candidate for mafia. On May 13 2017 01:26 Palmar wrote: hf has done some alarming things, but I'm still torn . On May 15 2017 05:35 Palmar wrote: My main reason I think holyflare could be mafia here is because he feels very, very uncompromising. There is a chance this is the result of the lack of direction in this town, but it just feels like... he's trying to enforce his will too hard. I came into the thread yesterday, talking about various things, and I felt like the only thing HF wanted to say was "Fuba is the lynch". He seems overly focused on just one thing at a time ignoring sort of the larger gamestate. I'm not even sure it makes him mafia, and this is very much just a gut tonal read. I am much more convinced Grack is mafia. But, even now I'm not sure. He does have (by far) the longest filter in the game. I know he can be aggressively wrong at times. There's a very good reason I'm asking Vivax to review my suspicions of HF, because if we're both town and both suspect each other we will take this game down in flames. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Doesn't matter Palmar. You probably suck up to everyone else in this game like you do as mafia but not me. Jesus rayn. I'm playing this game like a normal human being because you asked me to do it. Maybe head out of ass for a little bit so you can enjoy it? | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:54 Holyflare wrote: Like what the shit arguments are you making? You have blatantly gone to page like 2 of my filter and picked out a post and been "oho look at this look at this!" and cherry picked it but then couldn't be fucked to go to the next page or read the context around it. That's really really bad. Then your argument is that I'm militant and should be unsure? Like..... Mmmm changing my mind on fuba or grack or rayn or you or vivax? Have you forgotten how i play this game? you keep misrepresenting what I mean by militant vs unsure. I have already explained once that I don't mean you don't change opinions, you have to change your opinion every time you kill a townie. My point is that while you hold a particular opinion you're way too deeply committed to it. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: With the way you're posting i mean. Idk how just being cheesy, slimy and and shit like that appeals to people, you're good at it for sure, the results prove that. I'm being nice because I'm a nice person. I know that doesn't register with you. But alas, I'm not gonna argue with you, it's probably pointless. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: Why do i care if I'm wrong when nobody else cares to play? If I'm wrong it's because i couldn't decipher between the shit. I've been wrong in so many games that who cares anymore? I've been wrong a million times and it still tears me apart every time I kill a townie. I sometimes make up excuses like "well he was afk" but I still feel I could've done better. And there's a ton of people actively playing this game. Apart from LS, SL and TW, there's really not an activity problem in this town, and even they have plenty of content to analyse. (there's also 100% mafia in that group of three, incidentally). | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: In fact i think i lynch more townies than mafia overall sure, but you're not coming to any intelligent conclusions with your lynches. you're just marching directly to the next townie lynch. Again, assuming rayn is town you've literally only tried to lynch town this game. It's rather absymal and should prompt you to go back and verify that you're not just wrong on everything. If you're making assumptions based on either meta or activities that may not be relevant. Why have you been so wrong? What is it this game you're missing? | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:10 Holyflare wrote: That's not what he's saying. He's making a new point that I just go from one townie case to the next and have no thought about the game other than angry must lynch next guy. Which is not true. I dropped my rayn thing because i looked hard at what I was saying and reevaluated that maybe I did go too hard on it and I'd give rayn time to not shut down anymore. And maybe his rage wasn't fake at deadline. I've looked over it countless times. Same with fuba, same with palmar (who was initially a town read!). No no, Vivax understood exactly what I was saying, you're the one misunderstanding. | ||
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I'll actually respond, in an attempt to continue being a nice human being. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is a bullet point list why you are mafia:
I do my own thing, generally. I usually only pay attention to the things that happen while I am in the thread. I had a whiff of suspicion against you in the early game because I felt like you gave me a townread for basically nothing. I probably shouldn't have, but meh. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] You continued this with having no interest into my Vivax read while still not scumreading me. You werent interested in proving me wrong, you werent interesting with EITHER agreeing or disagreeing with the read, you just brushed it off. Again, I don't even remember what your Vivax thing was about. I probably never read it. In hindsight I'm kinda glad I did because I actually don't think Vivax is mafia. Also, I'm not gonna go back and check, but I remember tone-reading Vivax at some point as town and that might have caused me to ignore things on him. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] The above could kinda make sense since you scumread Grack hard but... You never really rtied to lynch Grack. There is where the "i hard scumread him so i was tunneled" -argument falls apart. When people's vote were split like hell on D1 you did nothing to try to convince people your super duper scumread is mafia, you just made a lame comment of "oh we are doing this deadline thing, it wont work. gtg bye". The way you initially expressed the case doesn't go with the actions you have taken in actually wanting to lynch Grackaroni. This is just straight up false. I'm just not interested in playing town shepherd every game, and I couldn't be here at the day 1 lynch because I simply was busy. And given how much unfounded meta you use on me, you should know I hate these last minute switches. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Your night 1 was super shit. You literally wasted the whole N1 from going from point X back to point X. The most useless set of posts i have ever seen. You literally couldn't make a single conclusion all N1. Yes, someone made a point I thought was good, but turns out it wasn't nearly as strong as I had initially perceived. Notice however the nuance of the interaction. HF was militantly on your ass while it was me who initially agreed with him and then sort of wavered when I realized that I didn't have quite the right picture. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] You still call Grackaroni scum but again on D2 you had zero interest in actually lynching him. No I got mad at you. I still think you're unnecessarily rude to people and your behavior can at times be absolutely devastating to the enjoyment of people playing the game. I was genuinely super mad. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Instead you expressed interest into lynching your townread who you have had zero interest in working with all game long. I am pretty sure other people ()at least the ones who are good at this game) can tell what is wrong with that. I was especially mad as I saw, and still see, your voteswitch to Vivax as atrocious play. The only redeeming point is that you got away with the redeeming diatribe that I don't think you're dishonest enough to do as mafia. I'm literally townreading you this game because I remember how you acted in the whole "I swear on my life" situation. You're a complete rager, but you're also extremely "honest". I don't think you would allow yourself to treat other people like complete garbage to win town cred. I think you would only do it if you were genuinely pissed off. So no, I've had very little interest in working with you this game because from my point of view you've made bad plays and been a dick to people. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] The last post you made about Holyflare is another super duper dumb point. You have what... sat on this information from D1 and had zero interest into figuring anything out regarding it, except for calling him "fishy" or whatever words you used. I don't start shitfights with people for no reason. I'm not lying that I believe that if I start a shitfight with HF when we're both town, that actually just straight up loses the game. There's a reason I'm willing to lurk on my suspicions on him. I actually tend to do the same with you. Last time we played together you used some false meta on me "palmar would go balls to the walls if he thinks I'm mafia". Which is just not true. Some people are prone to ridiculous amount of posting and I have to be fairly sure that I want to do it before I engage them. Additionally, I kinda like you both at times, and I dislike killing my friends. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Basically you are not even trying to do ANYTHING in this game except for looking good to majority of the people, which is something you don't care shit about as town when you think you have ACTUALLY found mafia, which is something you have implied you have more than once. See, more false meta. I am not trying to look good for good looks sake., I am trying to build something of an alliance. If I force myself to be a mass-poster every game I play I burn out and stop playing mafia. I have tried to just make a case and get people to work with me, but it hasn't been happening. My new idea is to expand my list of townies I think I can work with, and I'd gladly add you to that list, I genuinely think you're town (see above). But obviously that's not gonna work if I can't convince you I'm not mafia. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now afk again. Just had to put it out there, maybe someone even reads it. Stop and think for a moment. What is my optimal play as town here in this situation? Is it not to actually try to pull together a team so we can actually get something done on day 3? If you have a better idea I'm all ears. | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia. It was the most universally townread player. It's not a terrible shot. | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote: Palmar you said there's 100% mafia in SL, LS, TW. They're the players I've ignored this game. I ALWAYS randomly ignore mafia because they're boring. On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote: And please explain why you said skynxs defense was terrible Because it's scum-defense 101. "Look if I was mafia I would do X, but I did Y, ergo not mafia". We have no idea how the scum votes were distributed on the wagons, so maybe there was no real danger of him getting lynched, who knows. The point is I'm just talking about the defense. If Skynx is town, that point is not why he's town. If he's town it's because of something else. That point, in particular, is not very alignment indicative at all, because it is exactly a point I'd make as mafia too. | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:40 Palmar wrote: It was the most universally townread player. It's not a terrible shot. Although I kind agree it looks medic-dodgey | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:28 Vivax wrote: The problem for me from the start has been that you three just can't stop being completely paranoid about each other. I think that if you ignored each others alignments and decided to just find a common ground to find at least two other mafia, it would be more productive. Cause all I've seen this game is you suggesting to lynch the other, not getting it, and everyone else just doing whatever the fuck they want cause they're already used to you bickering like old hags. It's a bit late for that two lynches in but I think we could still salvage something by pretending that none of us 4 are mafia and just looking for two scummers in the rest. Possibly the smartest post in the game. Ever. | ||
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On May 16 2017 00:25 Vivax wrote: I can not imagine in the slightest what's so hard in making people see the mafia in skynx. When I look at him I feel it's clear as day. I guess we need some old school case building in here. please do I'm so tired of arguing I might just sheep it | ||
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On May 16 2017 05:48 Holyflare wrote: why the fuck doesn't anyone ever just cop check me so I get rid of this grief in like 90% of my games now i have to probably deal with palmar being a petulant tit oohhhhh boy this is aboutta get ugly for you :D:D:D | ||
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rayn (town) damdred (town) fuba (town) palmar (town) top tier stuff | ||
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fuba = town rayn = town df = town skynx = town (well, I just didn't call him mafia when everyone else wanted to, I said I was torn and wrote a post defending him) maybe people should listen to this old hermit more often. | ||
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On May 16 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote: i also tried to save fuba and not kill rayn I'm making you look bad stop ruining my fun. | ||
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On May 16 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: hold the fuck up there is no cop I'm parity cop. n1 checked pb, n2 checked palmar. they're different alignment so basically skynx is mafia with palmar and trying to bait out the blues before he dies nice going spewing pb town in the process. But alas, I guess you've already picked a side for me in this fight. | ||
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On May 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote: i just dont get why a mafia tumble would fakeclaim paridy cop over cop. Its so absolutely bad that I think he must be town? 1. Its way more easy to cc as cop because n1 kill suggests a medic dodge and thats more likely to be believed. 2. When no vet claims hes going to look really. Both lead me to believe that tumble was faking. but why the fuck would he just lose on purpose? even if hes dumb he has 2 team mates think bro If he claims parity cop the medic can claim to confirm the setup. TW hopes this happens so mafia can find the medic in one go. If he claims cop it's just claim vs cc and no reason for anyone else to claim. | ||
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On May 16 2017 07:50 sicklucker wrote: of course a vet claims here hell. make this day easy for everyone claim or lets kill tumble I challenge mafia to vet claim as well. | ||
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On May 18 2017 20:45 Holyflare wrote: It changes the question because pb isn't saying sl looks townier. But whatever floats your boat. Palmar not even trying to figure me out at this point. Waiting to shit fight with me tomorrow i presume. maybe you should presume less. | ||
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I think there's definitely some intrigue to be caught this game, but I'm not going to bother trying to figure it out right now. It is somewhat interesting that there's still massive pressure in the thread on lynching me despite having a green check. I am however not really concerned about that at the moment. I feel like defending myself beyond this point is going to be useless. People who still, with a green check and probably the towniest game I've played in the past 2 years, want to lynch me, are beyond redemption anyway, hopelessly stuck in a pit of ignorance. I can communicate with normal human beings, but if the desire to be wrong is strong enough that you will convince yourself that a mechanical check must be wrong, there isn't much I can do. Skynx's check on me was actually a terrible check. Sometimes I play around in games (see my last game) and it can be tough to figure out what my alignment is. But this game, you have to be especially stubborn to not just realize that on pure content I am town. So with that said, I am going to rather focus on the remaining two mafia, than myself. | ||
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Grack: the fact that TW was willing to townread him so hard that he offered to build a towncase (I can't remember if he actually did, but I remember asking him for one) throws a wrench in that read of mine. Grack has still played a very underwhelming game if he's town and he's not really helping figure anything out, but still... It's making me pause. sicklucker: I have a gut feeling he's town. There's literally no justification for it, I just think he is. I might be completely and utterly wrong. He's not done anything and when he's in the thread his posts are completely worthless... idk... I guess I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to read him in more detail. Vivax: Still hedging on town. Still have the same nagging suspicions, but still gonna ignore them based purely on effort and content. I dislike how he intends to follow up on the scumlynch but whatever. HF: The big question to me. I should probably be fairly sure he's mafia but I'm just not. The way he responded to my taunting and to skynx's reveal actually sounded rather townie. I also vaguely recall him making some case or push on TW at some point, but it may be me misremembering. I'm going to go back and see if, how and why that happened. LS: Super underwhelming this game. I actually think it's not unlikely he's mafia. If you gave me a gun and told me to shoot someone I'd shoot, HF, but only because killing him would be fun. If I was shooting for the most likely to flip mafia I think I'd shoot LS. PB: I've written him off as town throughout the game, because he sounds like one. Depending on what happens tomorrow he's a good candidate to just review and see if I wrote it off too quickly. He's a low content poster, but whenever he does post it feels like he has a townie mindset. Skynx: 100% cop, confirmed. ______________________________ So in summary, I would probably kill LS right now. But I have very little faith in that being the correct call. It's mostly based on how I feel about the game at the moment. He's a guy that generally isn't afraid to post but he has somehow avoided almost all the big shitfights this game, just like TW did, really. So yeah.... more tomorrow, maybe today. | ||
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so a very winnable gamestate of 5v2 after this night puts us in non-lylo. The doctor should probably claim tomorrow, because in lylo mafia can claim doctor safely (best case for them they win the cc battle and the game, worst case they lose and shoot the doctor the next night and remain in lylo) claiming before lylo puts mafia in a very difficult situation, they can win the cc battle and still not win the game. So it's something to think about, claiming tomorrow. | ||
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Like I wish I had jumped harder on his terrible read that "grack is too happy to be scum". | ||
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On May 16 2017 05:29 Skynx wrote: I'm the cop, Palmar is green. Checking TW. | ||
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On May 19 2017 07:08 Grackaroni wrote: And then I got shit on by all 3 of Palmar/HF/Vivax for not changing from Fuba. you deserved that for being bad at mafia. | ||
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On May 10 2017 23:27 Palmar wrote: well go read him talking to me. Because him talking to me is the most important part of his presence in the thread, by extension of me being the most important person in the game. Thus you should probably pay attention to that. I might lynch TW for thinking grack is having fun. This here. This is a 100% scumtell, it's a shitty and wrong reason for calling someone town based on absolutely nothing. He's interjecting in a conversation that doesn't concern him at all and spewing bullshit. I'm gonna be beating myself up over that one for a while. Pisses me off, even if I've probably been more right (rayn, fuba, df, skynx townreads) than wrong this game. | ||
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Vivax and I confirmed town. Grack probably town from TW interactions (aka TW tmi) LS/SL/PB/HF I think I'm just gonna lynch holyflare now. There's nothing that confirms him, it's day 4 and he's still alive and has yet to actually be any kind of an asset to town. I mean, if you must kill me first I guess it's fine, lylo is a bitch. But it is definitely the higher % play to kill hf first, simply because one of us has been green checked and the other hasn't. So unless you have a strong reason to think hf must be town and I must be scum, you all should probably sheep this. | ||
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On May 19 2017 10:41 Grackaroni wrote: I did think Palmar had a pretty townie rubbing his correct reads in HF's face moment when he saw that TW got red checked. On the other hand, I am a big fan of sheeping. Either way, I have to make conversation with Palmar so that people don't figure out that we're together. i was hoping that repeatedly calling you mafia was distancing enough | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:01 Palmar wrote: I've been wrong a million times and it still tears me apart every time I kill a townie. I sometimes make up excuses like "well he was afk" but I still feel I could've done better. And there's a ton of people actively playing this game. Apart from LS, SL and TW, there's really not an activity problem in this town, and even they have plenty of content to analyse. (there's also 100% mafia in that group of three, incidentally). Top scumhunting | ||
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On May 19 2017 10:47 Grackaroni wrote: I'd be willing to stick around and actually filter dive if you want to bounce ideas back and forth. It's 2 am. Tomorrow | ||
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On May 19 2017 10:45 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah but you did such a crappy job of getting me lynched that now people are having doubts. If it wasn't for our meddlesome teammate towncasing you | ||
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On May 15 2017 21:28 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it, Vivax is now 100% town, if I treat the game like that it makes the game so much easier. i'm gonna ignore sl, regardless of his alignment I don't think he's very interested in anything I'd have to say.. Top townhunting | ||
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On May 15 2017 20:01 Palmar wrote: grack, tw, hf, sl are probably 2-3 mafia Extra spicy top scumhunting | ||
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On May 19 2017 17:00 Holyflare wrote: Are you saying you wouldn't frame yourself in a team of Tumblewood (town read by loads), yourself and X? Completely irrelevant | ||
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On May 19 2017 18:15 Holyflare wrote: I will work with you palmar but that doesn't mean I trust you. I legit want to figure this out. No no, we're gonna do the thing where you agree I am 100% town to the end of time and then we can talk. | ||
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On May 19 2017 18:48 Holyflare wrote: If you're town too then that's your own fault for not convincing people well enough. Yeah but there is a point where I think the name is just getting massive amounts of dust in people's eyes and it feels unfixable. Is there even one person aside from the cop who checked me who has consistently townread me all game? When I play perfectly normally, no trolling, just scum and townhunting and explaining my reads, along with having a greencheck, and I still find myself in a position where 5/7 players in the thread (the 4 votes plus you who said you'd be happy to see me die) think I'm mafia, I just don't know how much more I can do. If I was anyone else I would be the most townread person in the game. And it's not like dead people thought I was town either. df, rayn wanted to kill me. I guess damdred didn't? I am basically convinced the game is unplayable unless the meta shifts drastically. The "lynch Palmar" reflex in TL has always been strong, but this game has been something else completely. | ||
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On May 19 2017 19:20 Holyflare wrote: You think that's not me every game lol? it's all of us every game, but the green check ignorance pisses me off. Especially since that should at least allow people to put their suspicions of me on the backburner for a while. But instead they're out in full force. | ||
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On May 19 2017 19:24 Palmar wrote: it's all of us every game, but the green check ignorance pisses me off. Especially since that should at least allow people to put their suspicions of me on the backburner for a while. But instead they're out in full force. Like I can accept people suspecting me for a while in games, but I get mad when I don't gain the benefit of the doubt when I mechanically should be town. I mean, even aside from the greencheck, I also have been so goddamn spot on with my townreads this game (df, rayn, vivax, fuba, skynx and hopefully pb) that I should have some leeway based on just that. | ||
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On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote: 5vs2 now If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying. If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them. Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote: FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1 guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker.... reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again.... is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... I kinda want to help this guy. | ||
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On May 19 2017 19:55 Holyflare wrote: I don't even think palmar is calling it a slip there. I'm not, just being happy about someone actually recognizing me with a town read. He then promptly voted me the next day so who knows. also, claiming medic on day 2 was 100% slip that he knows the setup. | ||
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On May 19 2017 20:01 Holyflare wrote: Don't blame me at all for your shortcomings. You lynch SL and grow a pair. We had a chance to lynch Palmar 2 cycles ago. Two cycles. And guess what? We didn't. So now we don't lynch him and we lynch SL. the tone of this post is ok... | ||
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On May 19 2017 20:07 Vivax wrote: Palmar's reasoning for tdoay is btw: "HF can be mafia but since we would lynch SL tomorrow if HF is mafia today, we lynch SL today instead, and here are arguments for HF being town: bsbsbs, and also cause I want to be friends with this PB dude" You think it's not a valid line of reasoning? If everyone is assuming that the next 3 people to die will be SL me and HF, then it's completely irrelevant in what order we do it. I like HF, and I want to not do to him what everyone does to me, which is to play with so much fear that I can never work with him. It's completely counterproductive. There exists a very real possibility the scumteam 2/3 of sl/grack/ls (most likely 1 and 3). We have one mislynch left, and I'm going to lynch the guy I think has the highest chance of flipping mafia. I'm actually debating to myself if it is possible that that person is indeed SL and not HF. I might be convincing myself of some bullshit but meh. I can't decide right now. | ||
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On May 19 2017 10:20 LightningStrike wrote: You think we should lynch HF over Palmar atm? On May 19 2017 06:11 LightningStrike wrote: Kill Palmar first then we could do it :o On May 19 2017 05:45 LightningStrike wrote: I guess that settles it we should lynch Palmar although I still a bit confused about the medic claim stuffs why it even happened. On May 19 2017 04:45 LightningStrike wrote: We lynching Palmar tomorrow and we likely can figure out the last partner then :D On May 19 2017 04:44 LightningStrike wrote: HF claiming medic I guess that makes it a bit easier for me to figure out the scum between him and Palmar :D On May 19 2017 00:07 LightningStrike wrote: Also low chance that Tumblewood put his partners in his townreads for the same reason why I don't think both HF and Palmar are his teammates is because it wouldn't leave much wiggle room for him to lynch outside his partners if both them are his townreads so very likely 1 townread of his is a teammate and and other is in his scumreads of HF and Palmar. Anyways I disagree with lynching Grack right away as I think higher chance of us hitting scum in Palmar vs HF as I think 1 of those 2 are a partner of Tumblewood for said reasons. On May 19 2017 00:01 LightningStrike wrote: I found it interesting that HF did call out TW being scum Day 1 in this post: At the time no one was really scumreading Tw that heavily if I recalled thus maybe HF get some extra credit? Also I can confirm that Palmar did ask Tumblewood to build a town case on Grack but Tumblewood didn't could be a lead? Considering I think there was 1 partner of his in his townreads and 1 in his scumreads because I doubt both of his scumreads were his partners unless he tried to do a soft bus of the century on his entire team. On May 18 2017 06:30 LightningStrike wrote: You think Framer didn't frame Palmar and tried to frame someone else? On May 15 2017 05:34 LightningStrike wrote: I don't know >.< Maybe Palmar but only if Rayn flips town and on because on haven't done much. There is literally 0 reasons to suspect me. It's all just stupid ranting about "we must lynch Palmar" | ||
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On May 19 2017 22:40 Vivax wrote: You should have a clear idea of where we are standing and who has to be lynched next in order to win, and you should know that it's HF (from a PoV where you are town,but you are not, so you don't wanna) . Instead you keep playing the insecure, clueless Palmar who keeps saying LS and SL might not be town and that's just not who you are as town. Town now just has to pull PB and SL together into the same boat and we win. Is SL confirmed town? No. But I guarantee that lynching Palmar, SL and HF wins the game 100 % of the time, where we lynch one of Palmar and HF today and the other two in no particular order. For me it finally clicked in the head yesterday just before HF claimed doc, for you there is no click to be seen you just keep pretending to be dabbling in the dark. It's not insecurity you dumbass, it's desire to get things right. Explain to me what happens if my scumread on HF is wrong, we lynch him today and he flips town. Explain to me what happens after that. | ||
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So town instantly loses if HF is town. Are you surprised I'm concerned about getting it right? | ||
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On May 19 2017 22:54 Vivax wrote: Explain to me what happens if we don't lynch either of you and you are both mafia No, we aren't. It's a scenario that doesn't exist. I am town. | ||
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On May 19 2017 22:59 Vivax wrote: Only 300 words? Easily Deal. So we lynch hf today? | ||
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On May 19 2017 23:58 Vivax wrote: K wasn't sure if you were saying TW + Palmar. I'm still strongly in favour of lynching Palmar tho, even after his speech 300 words | ||
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On May 20 2017 00:23 Vivax wrote: I don't see any convincing case out there. Just a TW filter stuffed with TMI implicating both of you, and two super weird NKs aka: you want to lynch a confirmed townie based on information generated by mafia. gotcha. | ||
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On May 20 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote: no are you dumb? IF I KEEP CLAIMING MEDIC THEY THINK IM MEDIC AND KILL ME no more ? holyflare confirmed town holyflare many wins many kills much win This is giving me more faith in the holyflare lynch. He's not dumb enough to not realize that while his play can be justified it doesn't say anything about his alignment as it can easily be done as either alignment. | ||
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On May 21 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote: it's end game if you don't vote ls and you're town palmar probably | ||
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On May 21 2017 05:12 Holyflare wrote: well whatever, either lynch LS or lynch me and then LS don't listen to vivax and straight lynch palmar because vivax thinks we're both mafia and is dumb this is true | ||
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On May 21 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote: Any time you wanna grow some balls and lynch mafia be my guest I have none, gonna kill you. Also that would make me right on day 2. I don't wanna have been wrong on days 1 and 2. Also rayn will kill me if you win this game as mafia Also I'm blaming it on Vivax if you flip town. Also remember, if you're town and we just lose this, Vivax will write a 300 word article describing in detail how bad he is at mafia. | ||
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This is not a fear lynch, I've been saying you've sounded like scum at times since day 1. It's still weird how you wrote your listpost, your militant attitude and unwillingness to allow the thread to free-flow at times is still odd. I have ample reasons to lynch other people too. So yeah... sorry if I'm wrong. | ||
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On May 21 2017 05:54 Holyflare wrote: don't let vivax kill palmar before ls if you flip town... thanks? | ||
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It's now confirmed I've voted for mafia on days 2, 3 and 4 + been right on a fuckton of townreads. | ||
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On May 21 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote: Knew he was trying to tilt you guys into lynching me :D you're not off the hook | ||
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On May 21 2017 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Considering he done the same shit to GlowingBear in Carol of the Bells it does for the most part clear me. I mean I don't really care. Vivax will die tonight. Me and PB are basically clear from the day 2 vote (we were like 1-2 voteswitches away from lynching scumflare). This leave you, SL and Grack fighting among yourselves. Go forth and prove one of them is mafia! | ||
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I think I will enter the next day with the default view that you will be the lynch. Go ahead and change my mind if you can. | ||
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raynpelikoneet (1) - LightningStrike fuba (3) - Tumblewood, sicklucker, Grackaroni Palmar (2) - raynpelikoneet, Holyflare Vivax (1) - Skynx Skynx (2) - Vivax, fuba So let's see. PB and me, the true heroes of this town tried to kill mafia on day 2. LS was sitting on some shit wagon on a confirmed townie (for rage outburst, I explained it a ton of times) SL and Grack joined random scum to lynch a guy I was yelling would never flip mafia. Good job there. rayn, being completely and utterly terrible this game, joined mafia in trying to kill me. The cop tried to lynch the doc and the doc tried to lynch the cop. Conclusion: lol this town | ||
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On May 21 2017 07:07 sicklucker wrote: palmar find mafia or die. even if you find mafia you still die but at least town still wins the game :D Give me one reason for why you think i am mafia g | ||
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Remember, HF was mafia. His goal was to spread as much misinformation as possible in order to manipulate the game. Give me one reason you think I'm mafia that wasn't created by mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2017 18:12 Vivax wrote: LS simply isn't mafia, will explain and defend to the hardest later. You have to kill this greenchecked Palmar serp as quickly as possible instead. A towncase on LS would be one of the most productive things you could do right now, so please go ahead. | ||
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On May 21 2017 18:54 sicklucker wrote: i made like a giant wall of text and the only thing holyflare called good or smart in it is the fact your probably town if 3 people already voted you. There was lots of good stuff but he focused on that. Then he never voted you. Then he voted me and ls the only two people you could have mislynched probably. Damn your screwed unless you can nk both me and vivax Oh I'm just doing this for postgame purposes. You are, if town, allowing yourself to be completely manipulated by mafia. Remember, nothing I personally have done is making you think I'm mafia. You're just being so monumentally stupid that you're going to believe that the people whose job it is to mislead you are in fact not misleading you. Like there is no one you can blame here but yourself. I don't care if you think I'm mafia, that on it's own is fine, people are wrong all the time. The problem I have is that you only think it because mafia told you through manipulation to think I'm mafia. | ||
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I'd say maybe it would be a good idea to look at my material and find where I've been acting like mafia in that? | ||
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On May 21 2017 19:39 Vivax wrote: It isn't as clear cut for others as it is for us, many still have trouble applying their reasoning past role and role interactions as seen in Guardians of the galaxy where Toad coasted on a fake vig claim for the entire game. Palmars racing horse for this game is the n1 green check and he's going to coat it in sugar and sell it as unbeatable logic that he is town and that the logical play is not to lynch him. Nono, there's far more to it. My approach, my tone, my being right on every goddamn thing, me trying to kill mafia more than anyone in the game (except maybe PB). the green check is the icing on the cake. | ||
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On May 21 2017 19:29 Vivax wrote: Since when is it a rule that material generated by mafia is bad? Tumble was clumsy and had trouble fighting his TMI, I'm treating it as fact by now and his filter is an excellent source of info. HF was given the choice to lynch you and didn't want to cause you are the designated carry. Everything about him screams that we should lynch him before you. It is not a hard fast rule, but you're also forgetting to treat it with suspicion. The reason what you're doing right here is terrible is that you forget the alternative. You treat your interpretation of mafia posts as the holy truth and disregard all possibility you're being manipulated. Forget for just a few minutes that you think I'm confirmed mafia and consider the game from a point of view where I am town. How do I, as town, defend myself against accusations that TW and HF said things that make it likely I'm mafia? I can put up absolutely no defense against that because it's posts that I didn't write and had nothing to do with. I cannot stop the mafia making these kind of posts. I can't tell HF to pretend he had any reservations about lynching me. He simply did it because he wanted to spread suspicion or possibly make himself look good. I cannot control any of these factors. This is why you need to focus on the things in my actions, votes and filter that make me mafia, and at best use mafia wifom as secondary evidence. But you and SL both are using mafia wifom as primary evidence. It is incredibly stupid. | ||
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However this is no such situation. You are allowing yourself to be convinced by flipped mafia. You literally know that every word they said during the game has the potential to be wifom and bullshit, and yet that is what you're going to decide the game on. | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:20 sicklucker wrote: you cant defend there spew no but you can try to be town which your not doing Actually I am. Remember all those times you were lynching townies when I was lynching mafia? | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:13 Vivax wrote: The argument that a scum player like HF goes for a suicidal play here is a very strong argument, whether you can defend yourself against it or not is secondary. It's like you're advocating fair play towards you demanding that we find out you're mafia exclusively from your filter. Fair play here is to find the single best argument out there for you being mafia. He was mafia sitting in a dark pit, he got offered a rope to climb out, but on his way out he had to throw you in instead, he chose to stay in the pit. Why is scum HF not taking the easy route to your mislynch if you are town here? That is EXACTLY what I want. Because a) you can't prove I'm mafia from my filter because I am not b) that is the ONLY correct way to play mafia and this game is a good example why that is. I am demanding you play the game correctly because if you don't you will lose. Losing because you get outplayed is one thing, but losing because you have head in ass and refuse to play the game like it should be played is a special kind of stupidity. | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:31 sicklucker wrote: i have voted and killed 2 of 2 mafia in this game... Day 2 one of us tried to kill mafia and it was not you | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote: This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required. And explain to me how you will feel about this when í flóð town. | ||
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No that was day 3. Day 2 you killed 100% town fuba because you're terrible at this game. I tried to kill HF because I'm good. | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote: This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required. I love how cocky you are in your terrible case using mafia posts to prove a townie must be mafia. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xwOPHUM.gif) | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:59 sicklucker wrote: hell you probably killed dandred day 1 I actually voted Grack, who is the last mafia, on day 1. | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:00 sicklucker wrote: even worse you tried to kill ryan day 2... a) no I switched my vote from HF and I was literally a vote away from lynching him. I begged skynx to switch. b) Even if I did it was out of spite. I noted that he was 100% town. I am just that good. So for you my friend: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/n2tMNBr.gif) | ||
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TL mafia towns are absolute trash aside from me. The only good player here that isn't me is some guy that's new to the site. gg | ||
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why didn't you vote HF with me day 2? | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:16 Vivax wrote: Palmar lategame plan involves a lylo with him,PB and one of LS and SL. Then he's going to seduce PB and point out that he was so gosu and right all along and can finally show the world what he is made of and endgame this town. My lategame plan involves calling you bad over and over and over again just so you don't lose focus on your own badness. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EjBeeNh.gif) | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:19 sicklucker wrote: but im sure hf was never in danger. way to go for lategame credit in a tvt wagon. i aint buying it ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ShwWI0C.gif) | ||
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Only if you don't lynch me. As long as I'm alive I take responsibility for this town, even in it's terrible state. If I get lynched at any point, town is retarded and I wash my hands of it. | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:20 sicklucker wrote: if this is your defense im not putting in any work. do work ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QGQmkPx.gif) You make a defense bitch | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:26 Vivax wrote: Oh shit I just slipped that he's town 100% confirmed case. | ||
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On May 19 2017 16:33 Palmar wrote: Hf hard defend me please. There is no way that with a green check townhf would still be unable to read my alignment correctly | ||
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I'm working my way down to grack vs LS But maybe not, also sicklucker might have to die just for how bad he is at mafia. Like I'm sure shit like this should be punishable by death. | ||
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On May 19 2017 22:42 Palmar wrote: It's somewhat interesting that here's everything LS has said about his preferred lynch (me) for the last few days: There is literally 0 reasons to suspect me. It's all just stupid ranting about "we must lynch Palmar" wonder if he ever amended this. | ||
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On May 20 2017 23:39 LightningStrike wrote: Like I don't think Palmar and HF are together as a team so in my world it would leave you and pb if HF flips scum. oooohhh shit, he's commited to palmar town. My legion grows. | ||
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that's smart. Thinking about people's alignments without allowing mafia to influence it? I like this LS. | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:33 Vivax wrote: You can always find inconsistencies and missing explanations or reads in LS which is why he's someone you toneread. And alone for this he's like 100% confirmed town So you think we lynch Grack? Good to know. I mean, me being right 100% of the time in this game doesn't really come as a surprise to me. | ||
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Who knows, maybe I am even better than I thought I was. | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:36 Vivax wrote: I'll post a case for the case that you lynch Palmar and by some miracle he flips town. That's the best I can do. I can guarantee that Palmar will flip mafia but I'm going to play along and pretend he's going to flip town and then you have to lynch someone and I will suggest that someone. As my legacy. What a legacy that'll be. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6uFEAxP.gif) Maybe they'll make a trashcan with your name on it. | ||
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On May 21 2017 21:38 Vivax wrote: Btw palmar no matter your alignment it was as always a great pleasure and privilege to play a game with you. Muchos enjoyable. Thanks, as much as you frustrate me at points, you too. | ||
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On May 22 2017 04:03 Vivax wrote: And remember to send me a postcard from Palmars pocket once I flip PB. you're not even using that right | ||
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I think SL and PB are off the table for me. SL because he doesn't have any endgame if he is mafia. He is completely and fiercely adamant that I must be mafia, ignoring the fact that if he was mafia he'd know I'm not. If he lynches me and I flip town, he's gonna be, as mafia, put into a terrible position. So I think his annoying stubbornness means he's town. PB could, in theory, be cashing in on his one newbie win (all new people can win once as mafia because they get extra leeway. He does have a very short filter). But I think that for now I must throw that possibility away. So it's Grack or LS. LS has shown marginally more interest in the game in the past few days so I'm going to vote Grack. | ||
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If SL or PB are scum game well played I guess. | ||
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Like basically all of you should pick their shit up. 3/4 of you guys are town and this is terrible. LS: Not enough posts, no explanations for reads. SL: Tunnels on a wrong conclusion PB: Only big constructed posts, no interactivity Grack: Seems to not care about the game at all. | ||
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On May 21 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: SL you agree that Palmar/HF is unlikely right? On May 21 2017 23:50 Grackaroni wrote: If I go down, I'm adding my name to the list of deceased calling for the death of Old Man Plumbo! ????????? | ||
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On May 21 2017 04:47 Grackaroni wrote: (HF/PB because the posts where PB dropped his read on HF seemed off to me, but I think PB's posts have been townie outside of that moment.) explain this | ||
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On May 22 2017 22:41 sicklucker wrote: well ya hf semi spewed ls town. grack is obv the kill and palmar. whatever order I dont care really but ill be dead tormorow so palmar first I'm not allowed to say what I want to say to you. | ||
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But I'm feeling pretty optimistic. There is a super awkward disconnect in Grack's 12 page filter and his super, super low impact on the game | ||
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On May 23 2017 02:36 sicklucker wrote: man lol palmars gonna win this game I am, and tbh even if I carry you to victory I think you should renounce your win because you've been so CENSORED this game. | ||
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On May 23 2017 03:04 sicklucker wrote: palmars path to vicotory is 2 ez. lynch grack. nk me. get pb to vote ls Thats probably a win for me yeah | ||
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On May 23 2017 04:22 Grackaroni wrote: So it seemed a lot like HF was trying to find and RB the doctor to kill Skynx at the end of night 3. Palmar might be too clueless to be the roleblocker because he doesn't realize that the night deadlines have been a half hour earlier than the day ones. 100% town | ||
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On May 23 2017 13:54 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh I don't exactly think we should lynch either Grack or Palmar but if we do have to lynch one of them maybe Palmar? I been thinking about both of them but idk if it's the right call. This is an atrocious post... So which one of PB and SL should we lynch and why? If you know something I don't now is the time to speak up. | ||
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1) No matter how much Grack's play has been shit this game, TW's reaction to him is still super, super weird if they're mafia together. 2) LS has not done anything today and he has not really done much throughout the game. 3) LS did call me mafia repeatedly without ever giving reasons for it 4) This here is just too specific and awkward: On May 21 2017 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Considering he done the same shit to GlowingBear in Carol of the Bells it does for the most part clear me. like why is LS bringing up something that happened in one game probably 2 years ago. It's complete bullshit. 5) He basically PoE'd himself by saying that I can't be mafia (because I'm not mafia with HF) that he doesn't think Grack is mafia. I'm not lynching SL and PB unless someone shows me something I've missed so.... | ||
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On May 23 2017 23:11 LightningStrike wrote: But honestly I rather you guys lynch me so you guys got a easier lylo to win. This is not how you play mafia | ||
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On May 23 2017 23:11 LightningStrike wrote: But honestly I rather you guys lynch me so you guys got a easier lylo to win. Like if you're town, this is directly trying to lose the game. Why do people insist on not winning mafia games? | ||
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On May 24 2017 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:LightningStrike Making it easier for you guys. Absolute trash play. I'm pretty sure playing against your win condition is bannable. | ||
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Try being me if you can't handle a bit of pressure. | ||
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On May 24 2017 00:26 LightningStrike wrote: Just lynch me I don't even want to bother this game anymore anyways it's to hard at this point. Nice, expect other people to do the work. The problem is that I have to lynch LS for this. Because if he somehow IS mafia and this bullshit martyr play works to carry him through the game, I'm literally quitting TL mafia. I don't want to do that. I am genuinely very, very angry at this complete and utter bullshit of a play.. | ||
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On May 24 2017 02:44 sicklucker wrote: theres no explination for a scum pov either. he already wins if hes scum I know, see my other post. I'm not gonna lose to this bullshit, but I'm seriously never playing with LS again if he is town and pulling this shit. fuck not trying to win. | ||
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On May 24 2017 02:48 Grackaroni wrote: Have you never seen somebody vote themselves before? Of course I have, fuck them all. | ||
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This, in basically L-1, is a completely different story. It's wasting one of our two lynches. Literally throwing the game. Why should I try when others don't? | ||
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On May 24 2017 02:50 sicklucker wrote: havent even read thread but no way a town palmar would vote ls here go away | ||
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On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? This is wrong meta as I said on day 1 btw. | ||
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On May 24 2017 02:59 Grackaroni wrote: Is nobody else considering PB scum? I am, but he has played less atrociously than the three of you so he should get a pass. Maybe we just lynch sicklucker I have no idea honestly. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:01 LightningStrike wrote: Regardless I am actually going to quit TL Mafia after this game win or loss. coolio, can you do it AFTER the game, and not DURING the game? | ||
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Like if he is, he is outplaying you all by miles. Let me explain this: | ||
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On May 11 2017 00:06 Prison Break wrote: I don't like this post You come in here, don't take sides or stances, make a general comment to seem townie and helpful by solving a fight (yet you don't really solve it, because you set it up in a way that you keep all your options open), then you leave again (?) Your vote is on Fuba, yet you lack explanation, again, leaving your options open. You could go "it was pressure" or "it was a joke" or "RVS", but at the same time if a wagon on fuba starts you could spin it like it was your intention all along I think you're scum He's taken stances since day 1. He doesn't hold back on calling people mafia. On May 14 2017 00:35 Prison Break wrote: fuba seems very calm and honest here instead of overcompensating and try-hard convincing everyone he's town, he just admits that day 1 isn't his favorite day as long as his story remains true, and his reads become more detailed as the game moves further away from day 1, I'll read him as town for it. don't see this being scum faking it tbh, that'd be a very risky play to say the least Good read on fuba and for good reasons. When I went emo, he did this: On May 15 2017 10:39 Prison Break wrote: ' WTF is this most scummy post so far - I hope you were joking why would you lynch someone you townread ever, that's never justified and we're players not mods. this kind of play really only favors scum so you're either scum or bad town .... lynch scumreads please On May 15 2017 10:50 Prison Break wrote: nvm I kind of like this guy's reads got Palmar lean town still disagree with policy lyches ever, can't stand them and won't encourage them ever either Which basically shows he is less likely to have pre-determined conclusions about my alignment. He calls my post scummy, looks into it and comes to the conclusion he doesn't agree with what he initially thought and backs off. On May 20 2017 05:06 Prison Break wrote: Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that plays the game correctly regarding reading dead mafia filters... I like everything about the way this guy is playing. Solid well constructed posts, supports just about everything he says with arguments. If he is mafia I am almost okay with losing to him. Well, at least I'd be losing to someone who has played their ass off. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:09 LightningStrike wrote: You sure this is palmar as scum and not palmar as town? he is CENSORED, ignore him, | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:13 sicklucker wrote: i barely ever lynch you please. i lynched you like once in that bell game over 2 years ago that ls seems to love bring up I hosted that game bro get facts straight. | ||
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On January 14 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote: Can you stop fucking pretending I'll flip mafia? On January 14 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote: And in no way does this make marv not mafia. Like if anyone is dumb enough to clear him if I flip before him based on me not figuring out whether or not he's scum day 1, there's gonna be punches in postgame. Palmar was not mafia, marv was mafia. Palmar was right, sicklucker was tunneled and bad. In fact, remarkably, SL also made a dumb fakeclaim in that game! It's kind of cool how much this is the same shit. On January 14 2015 09:48 Palmar wrote: I care this || much about what you want to do. You want to lynch me, so clearly literally all your reads and lynch ideas should be completely disregarded. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:16 Grackaroni wrote: I will say if we don't kill Palmar today and he's scum then he & PB will certainly kill off the one of us that's left tomorrow. Same with PB, but it's an irrelevant argument as neither of us are mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:13 sicklucker wrote: honesly I thought ls was mafia all game. but hes just trash playing like always. I feel like if he was mafia he would be less trash. im sure ill make him rage but w/e truth hurts You should be careful about writing checks you can't cash baby | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:21 sicklucker wrote: oh I see what your saying now grack. and yes you are right. if we dont kill palmar today we lose. If im wrong about palmar then we can still win in final 3 if you vote him today. But if you dont vote him im the nk and pb wont vote palmar so palmar wins I am not mafia you imbecile Read my goddamn filter, find anything scummy in it. It's literally just me being super right all the time while at the same time mostly being productive and nice for town. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:22 sicklucker wrote: Man this game is won or lost in the next 2 hours. get to it You trying to lose it with all your might. | ||
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a) sicklucker is stubborn, annoying and overwhelmingly wrong. Which probably makes him town b) LS's martyr play is, even as much as I hate it, probably more likely to come from him being emo town c) PB is the one guy who is actually playing mafia and not just ramming his face repeatedly into a wall. So yeah, I'm gonna try to kill Grack. Remember, you guys have 0 reasons for voting me that have anything to do with me. That is how you get things wrong in mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote: We can call this day revenge of the shitposters. But I'm only getting more certain that Grack is the mafia. LS and SL are just very much not intelligent people. I don't know how to be polite when explaining such a thing, but I have very little faith in their ability to reason. I think they're, especially SL, for a lack of a better word, just stupid. Grack is much better at reasoning and has higher capability for thinking, which is why him not seeing how bad this is is important. | ||
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I have made my case. I can't argue with this overwhelming amount of incompetence. In loving memory of all the people who have gotten me here. rayn ![[image loading]](http://d20pfsrd.opengamingnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/01/club.png) vivax ![[image loading]](http://www.imgur.com/LEJ1GRR.jpeg) sicklucker ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kkyZRrR.gif) LS ![[image loading]](http://images.parents.mdpcdn.com/sites/parents.com/files/styles/width_360/public/images/wordpress/48122/crying-babies.jpg) and Damdred ![[image loading]](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/12518/1185052-emperor.jpg) | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:31 Grackaroni wrote: Nah dude I'm sticking with my process of elimination. Nono, I get it, by PoE you or I must be mafia if we agree on the PoE points. The problem is if you were NOT mafia, you would realize that one of the PoE points must be wrong, because I so overwhelmingly obvious town. SL wouldn't notice because well... special needs. LS wouldn't notice either. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:37 sicklucker wrote: even if im wrong on this palmar lynch im happy with my thought process. to victory and beyond Holy shit So... is the air in your bubble the same as on the outside? How can you be happy with the most stupid thing in the universe. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:44 Palmar wrote: Holy shit So... is the air in your bubble the same as on the outside? How can you be happy with the most stupid thing in the universe. Actually, I realize what you mean. You're not happy with the quality of your thought process, you're happy that you have a thought process at all, which is impressive for you. Good on you! Keep on keeping on! Also I realize why you write these short posts all the time. You need to breathe but you can't type at the same time or you'll overload. | ||
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If I get lynched today, mafia shoots *not you* and you'll be in lylo with 3 people who all want to lynch you. You will lose the game if you get the lynch wrong today, no matter your alignment. You will not survive lylo, especially if I'm dead. I'm the only one in this game who can actually step back and change my mind on things. So, go ahead and vote grack with me. You know I'm not mafia, you made the case yourself when you said HF and I weren't mafia together, but outside of that everything I've said and done this game means I'm town, not to mention I'm greenchecked by a flipped cop. So unless you actually think I'm more likely to be mafia than grack, put your vote where the mafia is. | ||
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All the rest of you have just been reading mafia posts and believing them like gospel. | ||
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I am not mafia because: 1) I genuinely care about the game. 2) I get mad and emotional about things (rayn, ls), but I'm also able to draw conclusions from them 3) I have been checked and I am not mafia 4) I voted mafia days 2, 3, 4 5) I have called basically the entire game correct. The only people I have not called correctly are Damdred, who I didn't give much opinion on (although I was leaning town) and if I'm wrong on grack here that's 2 more. 6) I've tried to be nice, as much as I can be when under this barrage of ignorance. 7) I've always explained my reads, I've explained all my votes, I've changed my mind after reconsidering and re-reading. I'm not tunneled in on any conclusion 8) My role PM says I'm not mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote: That and TW did spew Grack as town as well as spewing me town. Literally nothing of this has anything to do with me | ||
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On May 24 2017 05:28 Grackaroni wrote: You know I put more effort as mafia than town. Are you town? | ||
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So who is the mafia?? | ||
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I still think grack is the most likely solution | ||
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You decided to listen to scum over town and that's on you | ||
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This is atrocious | ||
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On May 24 2017 05:49 Grackaroni wrote: Don't forget we had the backing of both the stick and the trash can! Good guys but terrible scumhunters | ||
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too much town not trying | ||
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On May 27 2017 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I won 1/3 vs 1/5 so suck it df. Palmar why cant you work with me?  You played the best in this terrible town though. Stop doing this: On May 12 2017 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you. you literally came here 10mins before the deadline and voted for some random fucking guy with zero reasoning and then you blame me you idiot. really, fuck fucking you. On May 13 2017 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: "i was right and everyone else was posting after deadline" Boobbbbbooooohoooooooo Kill this fucking retard plz. Also, stop calling me mafia for every single little thing. Your meta reads on me are completely awful. You literally think I'm some random person that I am not. | ||
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I mentioned at some point this game how constructed his posts were, and how little he actually posted. But it's hard to hang someone based on that when it just might be what he always does. He also made a pretty crucial vote on HF on day 2, which was a good judgement of the gamestate at the time. I really hoped I could get HF lynched there but it wasn't gonna happen. But as we saw in lylo, the real problem is that a bunch of townies don't try to win. How can lylo be so inactive? The game died when I got lynched. | ||
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On May 27 2017 07:09 Holyflare wrote: I thought I was super easy to figure out this game tbh. I had no drive or passion to lynch anyone for good reasons and didn't even look at 3/4 of the game. You also sounded really, really weird. If you had been anyone else I would've been on your ass before day 2. I talked a bit about your choice of words etc. But you do have the ability of building an insurmountable wall of filter pages that discourages people from actively looking into you. I know I never read your filter this game (I probably read only about half of the game). | ||
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On May 27 2017 07:11 Holyflare wrote: also from obs: I still stand by this. I don't think it was a very balanced setup, even with the victory. It's probably slightly town favored but also just hilariously swingy. Generally the more roles you add the more swingy the setup becomes. Cop, Doc, Framer and Roleblocker are four very, very strong roles, and good use of any of them can swing the game very hard in one direction or the other. | ||
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On May 27 2017 07:15 Holyflare wrote: I don't mind the swing, I just like to be able to have some semblance of counter play to a claim. well just like in any other "follow the cop" setup (like i'm a cop you idiot) if you want to counter claims you go to a claim war and win it. It's hard to have the confidence to do it but still. | ||
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