EPTi'm gonna ignore sl, regardless of his alignment I don't think he's very interested in anything I'd have to say..
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i'm gonna ignore sl, regardless of his alignment I don't think he's very interested in anything I'd have to say.. | ||
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I need you to pretend, for this exercise, that you have a green check on me. Aka, I'm confirmed town. I want to know how you think when you're in my world because you can't double check my conclusions while thinking I may be mafia. Now, with the "knowledge" that I am 100% town, can you give me your read and feelings about Holyflare. Is it possible that I am wrong on him being mafia if I know he's basically only tried to kill townies in my world. rayn: probably town damdred: town fuba: town me: town I think this mostly covers what hf has tried to accomplish this game. Is there a chance he's just wrong (in the palmar = town world). Because if you can convince me he's not mafia, the game becomes exponentially easier. | ||
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If HF is town, i'm gonna fuck this game up. I need to be absolutely certain he's mafia. Please explain to me how he could be town if we treat me as confirmed town. | ||
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On May 15 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote: All I can say is palmar won't be a problem after tonight  If I am the only one to die tonight: On May 11 2017 09:18 Palmar wrote: I am mostly just ignoring HF at the moment. If he's town we probably work best by not stepping on each other too much, and if he's mafia there's plenty of time to figure him out. He's literally someone you should ALWAYS KILL if he's alive by day 3. Like if day 3 comes around and HF is still alive, just don't talk, lynch hf. Until then, I don't really care, and I have not seen much that suggests he's mafia. But he's super good and his posts are very always very boring which is a deadly concoction meaning that it's unlikely I read his stuff thoroughly enough to figure out him being mafia. If two people die he's just bad vig. But if I am the only one to die, follow the above. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:16 Vivax wrote: Otherwise I like that he TR Damdred and foley when barely anyone else was. Don't like so much that he ended up voting Damdred but the alternative was DF so can't really blame him for that vote as it was a pick your poison situation. I blame everyone who was on either of those two wagons with Grack right there... But alas | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present. Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you. Your point regarding Grack is well received. Additionally just notice the rambling sentences and the uncompromising tone. "massive boring snoozefest bla blah" "had no bite back" "argument for the sake of having an argument" This post is full of absolutely nothing and yet it "sounds" like HF is taking some grand stance. Even in the context of the discussion grack and hf were having at the time it's terrible. There's no conclusion from it, there's no desire or willingness to lynch grack, there's only some vague calling him out that eventually lead to nothing. It's one of the most forceful nothingburgers I've ever seen. | ||
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Give me your top 3 townreads | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:39 Holyflare wrote: There's also no conclusions to be made in that specific post because i do make a conclusion and that post is a direct response to someone's question What was the question? Did I miss it? (Like I might totally have fucked up reading your convo, but I couldn't really pinpoint what question you were answering). | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:41 Vivax wrote: I'm reading HF meta right now and I'm tempted to just put a post out there wanting you to tell me if you think he's town or mafia. let's go for it, but context is important. Like there is an inherent bias that not only is HF rather militant and aggressive, he's also aggressively completely wrong on everything. I don't mind him being firm, but he's writing checks he cant cash and it's painfully obvious. I can be super firm and uncompromising at times, but it's usually when I _know_ I am right. Given how wrong HF has been this game it seems more likely that he should have been rather unsure. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:43 Holyflare wrote: Like your argument is that i literally say grack is doing a scummy thing and then forget that read 3 posts later and not want to lynch him Which is overwhelmingly my town meta of seeing something more egregious and voting the fuck out of it Unless your argument is that I'm shit at mafia I don't know about Vivax, but my point is that I have a problem with your tone and conclusion. Why do you want to lynch Grack now? | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is good you told all this to us an D1 when you know this happened and not in LYLO. I've had reservations about HF for a long time: On May 11 2017 21:09 Palmar wrote: yeah but that's the entire problem. I understand what you meant, I just don't like that you meant that. I guess the best way to explain it is that you don't call any of them outright leaning scum or lynch possibilities, you make this "positive" request of them instead. It implies that they haven't done anything wrong, which in turn means that you might possibly believe that only 1 player in the game has actually done anything wrong, which is not enough. But it's super minor, like I said, don't worry too much. Essentially I think you're in the "I'll probably not lynch you, but I wouldn't cry if someone checked you" category. On May 13 2017 00:25 Palmar wrote: annoys me a tiny little bit how militant hf is about this when the truth turns out to be a lot more nuanced than the picture he's trying to paint. Hf is actually a pretty good candidate for mafia. On May 13 2017 01:26 Palmar wrote: hf has done some alarming things, but I'm still torn . On May 15 2017 05:35 Palmar wrote: My main reason I think holyflare could be mafia here is because he feels very, very uncompromising. There is a chance this is the result of the lack of direction in this town, but it just feels like... he's trying to enforce his will too hard. I came into the thread yesterday, talking about various things, and I felt like the only thing HF wanted to say was "Fuba is the lynch". He seems overly focused on just one thing at a time ignoring sort of the larger gamestate. I'm not even sure it makes him mafia, and this is very much just a gut tonal read. I am much more convinced Grack is mafia. But, even now I'm not sure. He does have (by far) the longest filter in the game. I know he can be aggressively wrong at times. There's a very good reason I'm asking Vivax to review my suspicions of HF, because if we're both town and both suspect each other we will take this game down in flames. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Doesn't matter Palmar. You probably suck up to everyone else in this game like you do as mafia but not me. Jesus rayn. I'm playing this game like a normal human being because you asked me to do it. Maybe head out of ass for a little bit so you can enjoy it? | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:54 Holyflare wrote: Like what the shit arguments are you making? You have blatantly gone to page like 2 of my filter and picked out a post and been "oho look at this look at this!" and cherry picked it but then couldn't be fucked to go to the next page or read the context around it. That's really really bad. Then your argument is that I'm militant and should be unsure? Like..... Mmmm changing my mind on fuba or grack or rayn or you or vivax? Have you forgotten how i play this game? you keep misrepresenting what I mean by militant vs unsure. I have already explained once that I don't mean you don't change opinions, you have to change your opinion every time you kill a townie. My point is that while you hold a particular opinion you're way too deeply committed to it. | ||
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You don't reflect at all, you just pick your next target and go into pummeling mode. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: With the way you're posting i mean. Idk how just being cheesy, slimy and and shit like that appeals to people, you're good at it for sure, the results prove that. I'm being nice because I'm a nice person. I know that doesn't register with you. But alas, I'm not gonna argue with you, it's probably pointless. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: Why do i care if I'm wrong when nobody else cares to play? If I'm wrong it's because i couldn't decipher between the shit. I've been wrong in so many games that who cares anymore? I've been wrong a million times and it still tears me apart every time I kill a townie. I sometimes make up excuses like "well he was afk" but I still feel I could've done better. And there's a ton of people actively playing this game. Apart from LS, SL and TW, there's really not an activity problem in this town, and even they have plenty of content to analyse. (there's also 100% mafia in that group of three, incidentally). | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: In fact i think i lynch more townies than mafia overall sure, but you're not coming to any intelligent conclusions with your lynches. you're just marching directly to the next townie lynch. Again, assuming rayn is town you've literally only tried to lynch town this game. It's rather absymal and should prompt you to go back and verify that you're not just wrong on everything. If you're making assumptions based on either meta or activities that may not be relevant. Why have you been so wrong? What is it this game you're missing? | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:10 Holyflare wrote: That's not what he's saying. He's making a new point that I just go from one townie case to the next and have no thought about the game other than angry must lynch next guy. Which is not true. I dropped my rayn thing because i looked hard at what I was saying and reevaluated that maybe I did go too hard on it and I'd give rayn time to not shut down anymore. And maybe his rage wasn't fake at deadline. I've looked over it countless times. Same with fuba, same with palmar (who was initially a town read!). No no, Vivax understood exactly what I was saying, you're the one misunderstanding. | ||
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I'll actually respond, in an attempt to continue being a nice human being. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is a bullet point list why you are mafia:
I do my own thing, generally. I usually only pay attention to the things that happen while I am in the thread. I had a whiff of suspicion against you in the early game because I felt like you gave me a townread for basically nothing. I probably shouldn't have, but meh. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] You continued this with having no interest into my Vivax read while still not scumreading me. You werent interested in proving me wrong, you werent interesting with EITHER agreeing or disagreeing with the read, you just brushed it off. Again, I don't even remember what your Vivax thing was about. I probably never read it. In hindsight I'm kinda glad I did because I actually don't think Vivax is mafia. Also, I'm not gonna go back and check, but I remember tone-reading Vivax at some point as town and that might have caused me to ignore things on him. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] The above could kinda make sense since you scumread Grack hard but... You never really rtied to lynch Grack. There is where the "i hard scumread him so i was tunneled" -argument falls apart. When people's vote were split like hell on D1 you did nothing to try to convince people your super duper scumread is mafia, you just made a lame comment of "oh we are doing this deadline thing, it wont work. gtg bye". The way you initially expressed the case doesn't go with the actions you have taken in actually wanting to lynch Grackaroni. This is just straight up false. I'm just not interested in playing town shepherd every game, and I couldn't be here at the day 1 lynch because I simply was busy. And given how much unfounded meta you use on me, you should know I hate these last minute switches. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Your night 1 was super shit. You literally wasted the whole N1 from going from point X back to point X. The most useless set of posts i have ever seen. You literally couldn't make a single conclusion all N1. Yes, someone made a point I thought was good, but turns out it wasn't nearly as strong as I had initially perceived. Notice however the nuance of the interaction. HF was militantly on your ass while it was me who initially agreed with him and then sort of wavered when I realized that I didn't have quite the right picture. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] You still call Grackaroni scum but again on D2 you had zero interest in actually lynching him. No I got mad at you. I still think you're unnecessarily rude to people and your behavior can at times be absolutely devastating to the enjoyment of people playing the game. I was genuinely super mad. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Instead you expressed interest into lynching your townread who you have had zero interest in working with all game long. I am pretty sure other people ()at least the ones who are good at this game) can tell what is wrong with that. I was especially mad as I saw, and still see, your voteswitch to Vivax as atrocious play. The only redeeming point is that you got away with the redeeming diatribe that I don't think you're dishonest enough to do as mafia. I'm literally townreading you this game because I remember how you acted in the whole "I swear on my life" situation. You're a complete rager, but you're also extremely "honest". I don't think you would allow yourself to treat other people like complete garbage to win town cred. I think you would only do it if you were genuinely pissed off. So no, I've had very little interest in working with you this game because from my point of view you've made bad plays and been a dick to people. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] The last post you made about Holyflare is another super duper dumb point. You have what... sat on this information from D1 and had zero interest into figuring anything out regarding it, except for calling him "fishy" or whatever words you used. I don't start shitfights with people for no reason. I'm not lying that I believe that if I start a shitfight with HF when we're both town, that actually just straight up loses the game. There's a reason I'm willing to lurk on my suspicions on him. I actually tend to do the same with you. Last time we played together you used some false meta on me "palmar would go balls to the walls if he thinks I'm mafia". Which is just not true. Some people are prone to ridiculous amount of posting and I have to be fairly sure that I want to do it before I engage them. Additionally, I kinda like you both at times, and I dislike killing my friends. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [*] Basically you are not even trying to do ANYTHING in this game except for looking good to majority of the people, which is something you don't care shit about as town when you think you have ACTUALLY found mafia, which is something you have implied you have more than once. See, more false meta. I am not trying to look good for good looks sake., I am trying to build something of an alliance. If I force myself to be a mass-poster every game I play I burn out and stop playing mafia. I have tried to just make a case and get people to work with me, but it hasn't been happening. My new idea is to expand my list of townies I think I can work with, and I'd gladly add you to that list, I genuinely think you're town (see above). But obviously that's not gonna work if I can't convince you I'm not mafia. On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now afk again. Just had to put it out there, maybe someone even reads it. Stop and think for a moment. What is my optimal play as town here in this situation? Is it not to actually try to pull together a team so we can actually get something done on day 3? If you have a better idea I'm all ears. | ||
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On May 15 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia. It was the most universally townread player. It's not a terrible shot. | ||
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