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Alright I don't know how to be convincing or how to explain myself because everything I bring up a case or arguments people go "you're bad" "your arguments got disproven" "you live in a different world" which is frustrating as I don't understand why people keep saying that, but I want to make my point so I'll spell it out.
Initially SickLurkers post that caught my intention, was, a 100% scumtell. I don't care if he explained/changed it up AFTER I catched it.... what do you expect, do you expect him as scum
to go "yeah I was being vague - and after being called out, I'm going to remain vague", no, of course he's going to disprove it!
Fuba joined on the vote.... got lynched .... sicklurker was on the vote...
like this is just a gutfeel at this point but I just feel like scum is making sicklurker unlynchable, like scum somehow pushed the fuba lynch and keeps steering attetion away from sicklurker - now obviously town is mixed in this as well, and it's hard to decipher who is which, but really just look at what's going on and who's pushing who
I also feel like scum is disproving my points - although town doe as well, simply by the sheer numbers of people who do so, but looking at which directions the lynches are going, and which
directions the past 3 wagons went that have all flipped town by now (the 2 lynches+ the nightkill), this kind of proves my point and I've been trying to say they were town and made theories but people either disagreed without explaining why, or, they agreed but interpreted it wrongly
sicklurker literally OMGUS'd fuba back... townread me for my push on him at first (?) then later on he brought up me being scummy (??) , yet isn't pushing me, which shows he just wanted to see if town was ready to bite, which they weren't. testing the waters there, it seemed
I agree with who-ever said we need to form townblocks now because 3 votes on a mislynch... could've been 3 scum and no one would've known, that's really bad, we need to form wagons of 6-7 votes per person, which gives more information + puts WAY more pressure on scum... if scum can keep dodging lynches by creating a 3-person wagon, because their team has 1-2 votes on them, that's peanuts for scum. start a 5-6 person wagon. PUT SCUM FOR THE TEST. will they bandwagon, defend, bus? either is good because either gives information. right now town is too devided and it doesn't gain information
I think sicklurker is most consistently scummy and he should be the priorty lynch. really he has done nothing townie whatsoever since I called him out, and too many people either townread,
defend him or steer attention away everytime he's mentioned, to the point where scum HAS to play a role in that..
once sicklurker flips scum we need to look into these question marks and look at the people who:
- steered away attention
- were vague on him
- pushed the most people who flipped town
- joined/defended or ignored him for seemingly insincere reasons
- were the 1-2 voters because that's where scum wants to steer attention away from....
then, the people who hit the most out of these checkmarks will be our lynchpool. then we cut the obvious townreads, and then the poule should be small enough to have a high chance of lynching scum. like 3-4 people out of which 2 are scum, or like 2 people out of which 1-2 scum, etc.
that's how I think scum should be lynched, which will the highest percentage chance of finding scum. right now, town seems LOST, and people scumread each other based off EMOTIONAL reasons, and really people are way too divided and aren't thinking about the game clearly. we need to change that up. think someone is scum? alright make a case. I just learned "filter" means "ISO" so I will be able to filter anyone now instead of having to do the control f thing I did which took a shitload of time.
start cooperating, playing together, looking at the game objectively mixed in with reads, and that's how we can turn this shitty game around and still turn it into a townwin. I think that's possible. but people shouldnt give up and troll, grudge-lynch, fake-claim, etc because none of that is contributing anything to town right now
I'm pretty confident in my town and scumreads. There are a few question marks as well that I want to see how they connect and how that develops for now before I'll blaze my guns at them, because after 2mislynches we need a SCUM lynch now, and can't afford to lynch question marks yet IMO
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vivax is the only agent of order in a town full of chaos. and I for one am inclined to agree with what he's saying
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I never thought I would say this, but we might be well served to let vivax decide every lynch
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I only have one lynch I have been asking for. Skynx. DF and fuba thought he was scum, too. Fuba at least for his "no shenanny pls" in that limitied time but still, only the purest people on skynx so far. Tried to get it into Palmar's and HFs head to no avail so far and don't even get me started about rayn who's scumreading me.
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On May 16 2017 00:25 Vivax wrote:
I can not imagine in the slightest what's so hard in making people see the mafia in skynx. When I look at him I feel it's clear as day. I guess we need some old school case building in here.
please do
I'm so tired of arguing I might just sheep it
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yeah his EoD was pretty shit
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Right now I'm filtering SL cause that huge post above deserves some love.
His D1 LS "scumread" looks a bit odd to me. He wants to kill him cause he's not going to be townread by him.
On May 11 2017 18:48 sicklucker wrote:
well I dont think hes a very easy to read mafia so hes a great rng lynch, some solid day one stuff really that wont be the wrong play ever. Ls same thing but hes really awful here for his standards. Also he will never town read me for the entire game so thats another huge con to keep him around. for the sake of town you know
It's by far not damning, the intention just disappears afterwards. I dunno, D1 reads are naturally shallow. More worryin that all he talks about during this night are vig shots.
It's possible and something I want to believe that rayn, HF and Palmar are all town and skynx, Grack and one of LS and SL are mafia. PB is pretty much like conf town to me and Tumble looks pretty townie too and I don't want to check again to preserve my sanity.
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If I'm alive/palmar alive tomorrow I will treat him like confirmed town and try to work something out.
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Might also be a good time for timing analysis. The average scum posts in bursts at strategic times cause mostly they don't feel they have to say something unless for self preservation. Pretty much what gives me away every time.
I think skynx already falls into the pattern given the time between these two posts:
On May 13 2017 12:05 Skynx wrote:
On May 15 2017 01:09 Skynx wrote:
I kinda lost interest in this game but from the top of my head i think the team is Vivax,HF, fuba.
Grack
rayn
Palmar
LS
sl
PB
TW
Should be town
HF and Vivax are more dangerous so they should be lynched before fuba all day long. I cba with stating reasons sorry.
Post 1: End of night 1.
Post 2: Shortly before EoD D2. Obviously with the apologetic tone and a proper excuse for not posting for so long. Not a townie tone imho.
I think LS and Grack also have such timings. Grack has been posting very consistently during D1 racking up 6 pages of filter. Since N2 he produced two.
LS similarly, but too lazy to dig up the timestamps. He posted a blob of meta on himself when rayn called him scum in between the night and his decision to push for rayn. Looks sketchy overall, also while I was questioning him EoD one answer didn't even make sense and he seemed to have holes in his reads and was content with not having a complete picture.
SL idk, I actually felt like he was the towniest of the bunch. But I feel like I'm bad at reading him and reading his last mafia game didn't give me too many new insights.
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On May 16 2017 01:34 Vivax wrote:Might also be a good time for timing analysis. The average scum posts in bursts at strategic times cause mostly they don't feel they have to say something unless for self preservation. Pretty much what gives me away every time. I think skynx already falls into the pattern given the time between these two posts: Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 01:09 Skynx wrote:
I kinda lost interest in this game but from the top of my head i think the team is Vivax,HF, fuba.
Grack
rayn
Palmar
LS
sl
PB
TW
Should be town
HF and Vivax are more dangerous so they should be lynched before fuba all day long. I cba with stating reasons sorry. Post 1: End of night 1. Post 2: Shortly before EoD D2. Obviously with the apologetic tone and a proper excuse for not posting for so long. Not a townie tone imho. I think LS and Grack also have such timings. Grack has been posting very consistently during D1 racking up 6 pages of filter. Since N2 he produced two. LS similarly, but too lazy to dig up the timestamps. He posted a blob of meta on himself when rayn called him scum in between the night and his decision to push for rayn. Looks sketchy overall, also while I was questioning him EoD one answer didn't even make sense and he seemed to have holes in his reads and was content with not having a complete picture. SL idk, I actually felt like he was the towniest of the bunch. But I feel like I'm bad at reading him and reading his last mafia game didn't give me too many new insights.
why don't you mention pb in this? are you just writing him off as town? I remember him being sparse but good when he posts
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On May 16 2017 01:37 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 01:34 Vivax wrote:Might also be a good time for timing analysis. The average scum posts in bursts at strategic times cause mostly they don't feel they have to say something unless for self preservation. Pretty much what gives me away every time. I think skynx already falls into the pattern given the time between these two posts: On May 13 2017 12:05 Skynx wrote: On May 15 2017 01:09 Skynx wrote:
I kinda lost interest in this game but from the top of my head i think the team is Vivax,HF, fuba.
Grack
rayn
Palmar
LS
sl
PB
TW
Should be town
HF and Vivax are more dangerous so they should be lynched before fuba all day long. I cba with stating reasons sorry. Post 1: End of night 1. Post 2: Shortly before EoD D2. Obviously with the apologetic tone and a proper excuse for not posting for so long. Not a townie tone imho. I think LS and Grack also have such timings. Grack has been posting very consistently during D1 racking up 6 pages of filter. Since N2 he produced two. LS similarly, but too lazy to dig up the timestamps. He posted a blob of meta on himself when rayn called him scum in between the night and his decision to push for rayn. Looks sketchy overall, also while I was questioning him EoD one answer didn't even make sense and he seemed to have holes in his reads and was content with not having a complete picture. SL idk, I actually felt like he was the towniest of the bunch. But I feel like I'm bad at reading him and reading his last mafia game didn't give me too many new insights. why don't you mention pb in this? are you just writing him off as town? I remember him being sparse but good when he posts
I said I townread him just in the post above. And when he posts he sounds very motivated and not half assed.
With LS you have the feeling that he doesn't have a complete picture.
With skynx you have the feeling that he is simply not having fun. But that's not how he looks as town.
And with Grack there's the impression that he also doesn't have much to care about. Prime example is him not reevaluating fuba yesterday, and his skynx vote looking completely meaningless in light that he's not doing anything about him when he's a topic and just lurking instead.
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This is what DF said about skynx btw:
On May 12 2017 03:46 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:19 Skynx wrote:
I also agree that darthfoley's intro is bad from first impression but I'm gona have to go back on that one. this is the only thing in your entire filter that indicates you think anyone is scum, but you give yourself an out by saying your opinion could change with a second reading. vivax is right in the sense that I don't see how you've scum hunted at all this game. you claim that mafia is sitting back and relaxing, yet you come in the thread at a very opportune time to defend yourself and not actively participate in anything else that is going on in the thread. 3 out of 5 of your town reads have a possibility of being lynched (Grack, HF, rayn) yet you do nothing to steer the conversation away from them and onto anyone else. You have a good chance of being mafia
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On May 16 2017 00:32 Prison Break wrote:
## vote sicklurker
Lol this guy is basically confirmed town just because he doesn't even know how night works
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Do I sheep df's read on skynx who df said was scum before his death?
Do I sheep Vivax who made said Skynx wasn't playing his town meta Day 1 but also tried to push Skynx Day 2 onwards?
Do I trust the townread I had on him Day 1?
I admit I mostly a sheeper as town mainly I sheep Damdred but me lynching him I can't sheep him at all. Didn't help Ihad lost motivation since Night 1 because my Cat had to have emergency surgery for her to survive and yes she survived but I have to worry about her recovery. I should of replaced out I will admit it here but I felt a obligation that I have to play finish it off. If you guys need to lynch me go ahead and do it nothing will stop you guys except yourselves.
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Like you guys kept talking about potentially lynching me why you guys didn't?
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LS can you translate this post of yours from yesterday?
On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:31 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners? Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything. I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this. LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread? Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh. And no one else? That doesn't even count cause you just said you aren't scumreading HF. Really? Just take a wild guess for two more pls. I don't know >.< Maybe Palmar but only if Rayn flips town and on because on haven't done much. who is your top town?
On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:
And what is "and on because on haven't done much." I don't get it
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On May 16 2017 02:08 Vivax wrote:LS can you translate this post of yours from yesterday? Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:31 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners? Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything. I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this. LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread? Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh. And no one else? That doesn't even count cause you just said you aren't scumreading HF. Really? Just take a wild guess for two more pls. I don't know >.< Maybe Palmar but only if Rayn flips town and on because on haven't done much. who is your top town? Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:
And what is "and on because on haven't done much." I don't get it
The on was a typo I made it wa ssuppose just be and. I also listed you and TW as my top towns here:
On May 15 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:31 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners? Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything. I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this. LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread? Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh. And no one else? That doesn't even count cause you just said you aren't scumreading HF. Really? Just take a wild guess for two more pls. I don't know >.< Maybe Palmar but only if Rayn flips town and on because on haven't done much. who is your top town? TW and you. TW is playing his town meta I think and you been trying to step it up a bit.
Although if I wrong on TW it's because I a huge sucker for people who call me town when I don't deserve to be called town.
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On May 11 2017 04:57 Skynx wrote:Who feels like talking to me? I feel left out. Show nested quote +On May 10 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made? They looked kinda like this: On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund. On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum? On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3 Why have you taken fuba's secund post and changed his name to me? I never said this. You editing posts to try and look good? HF why didn't you keep going on Grack after this? Same reasons Palmar said Gracks balance between troll and seriousness early on didn't make sense so this was a valid point.
On May 11 2017 05:00 Skynx wrote:
I'm curious because at that point Grack was for sure more mafia than rayn and I like rayns posts overall except for that list.
In the first quote you see skynx agreeing with both Palmar and HF about Gracks balance. So he puts the question out there why HF isn't pursuing him further.
The second quote I don't even know, he says that Grack is more mafia than rayn (??), then says he likes rayns post but thinks his list is shit (maybe cause Grack was green in it?). Overall pretty awkward and shallow.
On May 11 2017 05:05 Skynx wrote:
To be honest I don't even know why I'm chasing this cuz all parties mentioned here are town.
I'll reread others a tiny bit.
Here he realizes that his posts aren't achieving anything cause apparently everyone he's talked about is a townread of his, yet just above he said Grack appeared more scummy than rayn yet concludes they're both town (??) and that he's wasting time. He calls peoples arguments good but they don't influence his reads in the same way at all.
to be continued
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On May 11 2017 05:13 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him. Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 04:25 fuba wrote:
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them. This is quite bad. If he feels like elaborating on reads why not do it? You do not want to progress the game? Super bad reasoning blaming rest of the eventualities bad to follow a simple reasoning to sheep a 2 post intro (no disrespect PB i like you  ).
Here he's falling for scum bait hook line and sinker he just sees what fuba wrote which is superficially scummy and could simply ask him what his reads are yet the accusation that he's openly not sharing them seems more important to him. Bs argument.
On May 11 2017 05:14 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 11 2017 05:05 Skynx wrote:
To be honest I don't even know why I'm chasing this cuz all parties mentioned here are town.
I'll reread others a tiny bit. Incorrect. Holyflare is not town. Pls stop, if not people are gona follow HF into mislynching you, then we're gona realise it was grack all along and mislynch him aswell and then blame HF for everything into clean sweep for mafia.
This might probably even be true if all we know is wrong so far cause this guy somehow might have had excellent information and confidence on top tier scum players right in the early game which was already part of my initial case.
Also idk what the point is of telling rayn not to pursue HF like that. Again, contributes to the point that skynx wasn't scumhunting.
On May 11 2017 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Palmar
PB
Grack
HF
rayn
these are in order btw
"These are in order" is another awkward sentence that on top of it doesn't make any sense cause I don't see anywhere how what he says allows him to rank people based on townieness (and what? Ascending, descending?)
On May 11 2017 05:13 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him. Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 04:25 fuba wrote:
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them. This is quite bad. If he feels like elaborating on reads why not do it? You do not want to progress the game? Super bad reasoning blaming rest of the eventualities bad to follow a simple reasoning to sheep a 2 post intro (no disrespect PB i like you ).
On May 12 2017 03:40 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Skynx has been more contributive than fuba in darthfoley but in my opinion in the wrong ways. I just don't see how he jumps to conclusions so quickly without a shade of doubt about events and reads. Like his rayn vs Grack thingy and his townread list. Feels to me like he's just getting on the good side of the most active players and doesn't try to fight his TMI in order to not ruffle any feathers. Most of his reads lack explanation and meta wise I have seen him raise good points when he was town, I also have been always able to correctly identify him as town but you will have to take my word for that.
Also, in a nutshell, he hasn't been hunting scum.
This is the best case I think I have and I'm voting accordingly. I don't really like this since when i was around and posted my reads you were there to respond. My reads haven't changed and no one asked me to expand on them and now you say my reads are weak. Or you're just trying to push my because you've found a few supporters going own on me cuz i haven't been active. I don't think i have to explain why Palmar is town. rayn vs hf was mainly straight nonesense for i dunno how many pages while both believing or writing as they have definitely found scum. In a case of tvs to any side, t has no basis to push with confidence unless meta which they didn't let the thread know about while s is taking hell of a risk early on. svs is a stretch and even more of a risk when they could have just sit back after some early chit chat. They both should know whatever reason they are stating doesn't make the other mafia. Most cases tunneling without basis is tvt in my book, at least for my part i get emotional and tunnel townies all the time but I'm working on that. Prison Breaks intro was good and he made valid points.I've already explained Grack. Him and palmar is almost identical to rayn vs hf. Just voting eachother for whatever reason. Imo its been super easy for scum early on with all these people going after eachother and they can just sit back and relax as town will probably follow one of them and they can just hop in at one point with a shitty reasoning.
Again super shallow read bunch and earlier on while accusing fuba he basically talked smack about a 2 post intro and said fuba was scummy for sheeping it, but when he makes a read on PB,suddenly PBs post is good and he made valid points.
Pretty much the best argument of the bunch so far
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